WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 4:26 am
From the OP, for clarification:
"If players with Roleblock and Jailkeep abilities target eachother on the same night, roleblock actions will go through whereas the jailkeep actions will not"
Yeah this is what I said already except that I said they cancel out lol
But to the same effect, essentially. Jailkeep doesn't work, and in this setup that's all that matters cause we don't have investigatives.
That line is where a RB and a JK target eachother. If two JKs target eachother, both are blocked and both are protected.
Geez I'm so sleep deprived what the fuck
Yeah, I am aware that was for a 6lock setup, but I'm wondering why tf I quoted that after the doctor flipped.
Falcon/Neon/pyxxy/Nook is my poe, not in that order, I'm aware it's the consensus and imo that's fine
If you hammer before I come back, one of those will be my jailkeep, but if we don't flip the mafia jailkeeper today, I'm not exactly sure what will happen. From what I understood, the mafia jailkeeper can use their jail and kill at the same time, so even if we flip a goon, the jail will likely happen.
But if the jail blocks and protects, and I am targeted, then I guess I won't be the kill. If the mafia jailkeeper isn't in my current PoE, I probably won't be blocked at all and I'll just die instead tbh.
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 5:55 pm
Falcon/Neon/pyxxy/Nook is my poe, not in that order, I'm aware it's the consensus and imo that's fine
If you hammer before I come back, one of those will be my jailkeep, but if we don't flip the mafia jailkeeper today, I'm not exactly sure what will happen. From what I understood, the mafia jailkeeper can use their jail and kill at the same time, so even if we flip a goon, the jail will likely happen.
But if the jail blocks and protects, and I am targeted, then I guess I won't be the kill. If the mafia jailkeeper isn't in my current PoE, I probably won't be blocked at all and I'll just die instead tbh.
According to writing up in og post:
Two jailkeeps can happen at the same time and work at the same time.
I promise no one will hammer by the time you're ready o7
I didn't grab any posts but he has said a lot of things. Just things that he doesn't seem to be doing anything with. I get that normally he doesn't say his reads but he's not even doing his thing where he votes someone with no explanation
I also think he sussed pyxxy based on his D4 alone and didn't really interact with him at all. Which reeks of yucky to me
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 8:50 am
Okay, I've thought through the mech a bit more, and this is actually good. Not as good as I thought, but...
If we elim a wolf today, then EITHER 1.) WWA survives another day, which is kinda nice for threadhealth/solving reasons, or 2.) WWA dies and we get a clear.
In particular @WindwardAway I'd still like you to specifically say something like "if X flips wolf, I am going to target Y" shortly before EoD, and STICK TO THAT. This guarantees that if you die, we get a clear. Can you do this? (let me know if you have any questions about why this works).
I will do this, you have my word. I know exactly how this works, and I won't deviate from the pool of targets I give before EoD.
You need to give a single name if you want it to work.
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 6:12 pm
Why does anybody care about the hammer if you're so sure I'm Maf?
Because personally I'd like to talk and solve and come up with a backup plan in case you're not mafia
And I have neither the time nor energy right now to do more than leave snarky comments in the thread
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 6:12 pm
Why does anybody care about the hammer if you're so sure I'm Maf?
Because personally I'd like to talk and solve and come up with a backup plan in case you're not mafia
And I have neither the time nor energy right now to do more than leave snarky comments in the thread
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 8:50 am
Okay, I've thought through the mech a bit more, and this is actually good. Not as good as I thought, but...
If we elim a wolf today, then EITHER 1.) WWA survives another day, which is kinda nice for threadhealth/solving reasons, or 2.) WWA dies and we get a clear.
In particular @WindwardAway I'd still like you to specifically say something like "if X flips wolf, I am going to target Y" shortly before EoD, and STICK TO THAT. This guarantees that if you die, we get a clear. Can you do this? (let me know if you have any questions about why this works).
I will do this, you have my word. I know exactly how this works, and I won't deviate from the pool of targets I give before EoD.
You need to give a single name if you want it to work.
I literally gave a pool of targets
If I jail the mafia jailkeeper and they jail me, I thought the kill would not go through on me but it would on someone else? Because I'd be roleblocked first and then the factional would process? Or am I completely misunderstanding this
I'm probably completely misunderstanding this wtf am I saying
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 6:12 pm
Why does anybody care about the hammer if you're so sure I'm Maf?
Because personally I'd like to talk and solve and come up with a backup plan in case you're not mafia
And I have neither the time nor energy right now to do more than leave snarky comments in the thread
Just go to the backup plan dude, I'm town
Where's the proof
I'm gonna keep saying this until you either obvtown or flip town because I don't see any reason why you should ever be cleared
And no, I don't know lily's wolf meta, but since mafia has a jailkeeper in the game, she must've been defending at least one wolf.
I won't reconsider you until either you flip, or someone who isn't you flips mafia jailkeeper.
And that basically means I'm not reconsidering. I'm not even tunnelled on you; I just stopped caring.
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 8:50 am
Okay, I've thought through the mech a bit more, and this is actually good. Not as good as I thought, but...
If we elim a wolf today, then EITHER 1.) WWA survives another day, which is kinda nice for threadhealth/solving reasons, or 2.) WWA dies and we get a clear.
In particular @WindwardAway I'd still like you to specifically say something like "if X flips wolf, I am going to target Y" shortly before EoD, and STICK TO THAT. This guarantees that if you die, we get a clear. Can you do this? (let me know if you have any questions about why this works).
I will do this, you have my word. I know exactly how this works, and I won't deviate from the pool of targets I give before EoD.
You need to give a single name if you want it to work.
I literally gave a pool of targets
If I jail the mafia jailkeeper and they jail me, I thought the kill would not go through on me but it would on someone else? Because I'd be roleblocked first and then the factional would process? Or am I completely misunderstanding this
I'm probably completely misunderstanding this wtf am I saying
Lmao
If two JKs target eachother, both people are blocked and protected, meaning neither can submit a NK or die. Thus, if you die, you weren't JK'd, and so the person you targeted is clear.
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 8:50 am
Okay, I've thought through the mech a bit more, and this is actually good. Not as good as I thought, but...
If we elim a wolf today, then EITHER 1.) WWA survives another day, which is kinda nice for threadhealth/solving reasons, or 2.) WWA dies and we get a clear.
In particular @WindwardAway I'd still like you to specifically say something like "if X flips wolf, I am going to target Y" shortly before EoD, and STICK TO THAT. This guarantees that if you die, we get a clear. Can you do this? (let me know if you have any questions about why this works).
I will do this, you have my word. I know exactly how this works, and I won't deviate from the pool of targets I give before EoD.
You need to give a single name if you want it to work.
I literally gave a pool of targets
If I jail the mafia jailkeeper and they jail me, I thought the kill would not go through on me but it would on someone else? Because I'd be roleblocked first and then the factional would process? Or am I completely misunderstanding this
I'm probably completely misunderstanding this wtf am I saying
Lmao
I think you might be?
Tho my worry is now the wolf targeting the other poed player if they aren't the one jailed (but targeted the jailed) one so it gives you a fake red check?
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 8:50 am
Okay, I've thought through the mech a bit more, and this is actually good. Not as good as I thought, but...
If we elim a wolf today, then EITHER 1.) WWA survives another day, which is kinda nice for threadhealth/solving reasons, or 2.) WWA dies and we get a clear.
In particular @WindwardAway I'd still like you to specifically say something like "if X flips wolf, I am going to target Y" shortly before EoD, and STICK TO THAT. This guarantees that if you die, we get a clear. Can you do this? (let me know if you have any questions about why this works).
I will do this, you have my word. I know exactly how this works, and I won't deviate from the pool of targets I give before EoD.
You need to give a single name if you want it to work.
I literally gave a pool of targets
If I jail the mafia jailkeeper and they jail me, I thought the kill would not go through on me but it would on someone else? Because I'd be roleblocked first and then the factional would process? Or am I completely misunderstanding this
I'm probably completely misunderstanding this wtf am I saying
Lmao
If two JKs target eachother, both people are blocked and protected, meaning neither can submit a NK or die. Thus, if you die, you weren't JK'd, and so the person you targeted is clear.
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 8:50 am
Okay, I've thought through the mech a bit more, and this is actually good. Not as good as I thought, but...
If we elim a wolf today, then EITHER 1.) WWA survives another day, which is kinda nice for threadhealth/solving reasons, or 2.) WWA dies and we get a clear.
In particular @WindwardAway I'd still like you to specifically say something like "if X flips wolf, I am going to target Y" shortly before EoD, and STICK TO THAT. This guarantees that if you die, we get a clear. Can you do this? (let me know if you have any questions about why this works).
I will do this, you have my word. I know exactly how this works, and I won't deviate from the pool of targets I give before EoD.
You need to give a single name if you want it to work.
I literally gave a pool of targets
If I jail the mafia jailkeeper and they jail me, I thought the kill would not go through on me but it would on someone else? Because I'd be roleblocked first and then the factional would process? Or am I completely misunderstanding this
I'm probably completely misunderstanding this wtf am I saying
Lmao
I think you might be?
Tho my worry is now the wolf targeting the other poed player if they aren't the one jailed (but targeted the jailed) one so it gives you a fake red check?
I dunno if that makes sense.
Uhhh
Maybe make a pool of two instead of three?
Idk
Ahhhhh
See i gave a pool cause for some reason I thought there was still a chance the kill would go through if the scum jailkeeper is still alive but idk why i thought that lol
Seanzie is right i trust that someone who isn't me understood the mech interactions better than I did because I clearly couldn't even remember that mafia had a jailkeeper this morning lmao
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 8:50 am
Okay, I've thought through the mech a bit more, and this is actually good. Not as good as I thought, but...
If we elim a wolf today, then EITHER 1.) WWA survives another day, which is kinda nice for threadhealth/solving reasons, or 2.) WWA dies and we get a clear.
In particular @WindwardAway I'd still like you to specifically say something like "if X flips wolf, I am going to target Y" shortly before EoD, and STICK TO THAT. This guarantees that if you die, we get a clear. Can you do this? (let me know if you have any questions about why this works).
I will do this, you have my word. I know exactly how this works, and I won't deviate from the pool of targets I give before EoD.
You need to give a single name if you want it to work.
I literally gave a pool of targets
If I jail the mafia jailkeeper and they jail me, I thought the kill would not go through on me but it would on someone else? Because I'd be roleblocked first and then the factional would process? Or am I completely misunderstanding this
I'm probably completely misunderstanding this wtf am I saying
Lmao
I think you might be?
Tho my worry is now the wolf targeting the other poed player if they aren't the one jailed (but targeted the jailed) one so it gives you a fake red check?
I dunno if that makes sense.
Uhhh
Maybe make a pool of two instead of three?
Idk
Ahhhhh
See i gave a pool cause for some reason I thought there was still a chance the kill would go through if the scum jailkeeper is still alive but idk why i thought that lol
Seanzie is right i trust that someone who isn't me understood the mech interactions better than I did because I clearly couldn't even remember that mafia had a jailkeeper this morning lmao
OK let me spell this clearer:
You announce who you jk (person A)
Person A isn't wolf.
Person B is wolf.
Person B nk Person A but it's blocked by your jail keep.
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 6:29 pm
If falcon flips mafia I'm jailing pyxxy
That is the part I'm worried about now because if pyxxy isn't wolf then it's a fake red check.
Oh you mean if mafia fakes a red by hitting my jail target with a kill?
Yeah idk I was worried about that earlier but talked myself out of worrying about it because mafia purposely missing a kill just so the target gets lunched during the day is counterproductive
Like if they target town!Pyxxy with a kill and no kill happens, and we lunch Pyxxy, we lunch a town instead of having a townie die AND possibly a townie getting lunched
Like that doesn't benefit mafia enough for it to be a viable strategy since we'd just be plowing through everyone else right after that and then they can't even shut me up for another day because we waste the day killing their missed night kill.
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 6:29 pm
If falcon flips mafia I'm jailing pyxxy
That is the part I'm worried about now because if pyxxy isn't wolf then it's a fake red check.
Oh you mean if mafia fakes a red by hitting my jail target with a kill?
Yeah idk I was worried about that earlier but talked myself out of worrying about it because mafia purposely missing a kill just so the target gets lunched during the day is counterproductive
Like if they target town!Pyxxy with a kill and no kill happens, and we lunch Pyxxy, we lunch a town instead of having a townie die AND possibly a townie getting lunched
Like that doesn't benefit mafia enough for it to be a viable strategy since we'd just be plowing through everyone else right after that and then they can't even shut me up for another day because we waste the day killing their missed night kill.
I guess so. I'm just overthinking this.
Vjdmkdnxksksbdlsksb
I also don't think it's pyxxy anymore for reasons but I trust your choice.
And like I thought everyone was aware a jailkeep can be either a red or a green depending on if I jailed the killer or the kill target
Neon pointed this out in Lily's defense and she's correct. I always knew that.
But I purposely pushed being overly confident that Lily was a red check because I wanted the thread to push on Lily to see if she'd show up and do something not wolfy, and she showed up and did something wolfy.
You guys have to keep this in mind, when I die, but I was always aware of it. Sometimes I just lie to push a narrative, even as town.
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 6:29 pm
If falcon flips mafia I'm jailing pyxxy
That is the part I'm worried about now because if pyxxy isn't wolf then it's a fake red check.
Oh you mean if mafia fakes a red by hitting my jail target with a kill?
Yeah idk I was worried about that earlier but talked myself out of worrying about it because mafia purposely missing a kill just so the target gets lunched during the day is counterproductive
Like if they target town!Pyxxy with a kill and no kill happens, and we lunch Pyxxy, we lunch a town instead of having a townie die AND possibly a townie getting lunched
Like that doesn't benefit mafia enough for it to be a viable strategy since we'd just be plowing through everyone else right after that and then they can't even shut me up for another day because we waste the day killing their missed night kill.
I guess so. I'm just overthinking this.
Vjdmkdnxksksbdlsksb
I also don't think it's pyxxy anymore for reasons but I trust your choice.
Oh I'm definitely less certain on Pyxxy than I was before but I have a reason for this.
I don't need to give a jail pool for the scenario when falcon is town, do I? I mean even if I nail both remaining wolves in the PoE I'm not necessarily gonna jail the one who performs the kill, and if the jailkeeper still has their shot, obviously they're gonna use it to guarantee a kill.
Sorry if this has already been answered but @falcon45ca if you're town and saying we should move off you and onto whatever the backup plan is, where do you suggest we move?
As a PoE slot, you're in the best position to solve the game around yourself and the suspicions on you, but when I asked you yesterday you just went "idk I'll pick random names" and one of them was Wilgy of all people, who died and flipped doctor last night. I mean, I can believe you just threw out names without caring but why don't you care? You don't want to leave a legacy? Or you just aren't much into the game?
If we give you breathing space for the rest of the day, will you work with us to solve or are you going to continue to not give reads?
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 6:42 pm
I don't need to give a jail pool for the scenario when falcon is town, do I? I mean even if I nail both remaining wolves in the PoE I'm not necessarily gonna jail the one who performs the kill, and if the jailkeeper still has their shot, obviously they're gonna use it to guarantee a kill.
I don't see any reason you'd need to give a town!Falcon, no.
Dennis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 10:47 pm
Why do you get to tell us not to hammer though
because of hedgehog when town decided to that hammy whammy was some fucking genius megamind brilliance
I note in my prepared post that actually I think the hammer was fine because of how the day actually played out it's just connected to me feeling tight about clearly no one actually reading my post
and honestly WWA + Sabi are the only reason I think hammering wasn't the end of the world because they actually took the fucking time to use it to solve and talk and investigate and think through what was possible, without those two, and okay let's add Seanzie too he held out for a while and used the time well, honestly during my catchup it seemed like y'all were happy to just let nook and falcon shut down the thread discussion _after_ they let lily do her little antispew/spew dance (I still hate and don't understand the spew terminology)
like it's so incredibly transparent that those two wanted the least amount of discussion possible when all that could be produced from the thread was a better and better POE as we had more time to think about it together
on that note since he seems to be the SOD wagon of choice [VOTE:
falcon] aubergine but my solve is falcon/nook and I don't care who goes first
Yeah, pyxxy could be wolf. Whole lotta blame for others not talking yesterday that's somehow Nook & I'm fault?
When, ironically, I prolly posted more last RD than the last couple.
Nvm actually this counts as a read
Well at least there's that
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 6:26 pm
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME I'd like to remind you that you promised us some associative reads. I hope to see them before too long.
Well it's still today, so
You'll get them when I have the time and ability to, pinging me with sanctimonious shit won't make that happen sooner
Had to eat dinner and then watch the baby and then I just forgot lol sorry for delay
On Nook:
D1: fluff fluff fluff fluff something on topic fluff fluff fluff. Then I asked "is this normal guys please" and no one managed to make up their mind so I'm going with my gut scumread
D2: "Man yesterday sucked" which yeah. I'll ignore this because it really did suck but we all tried to move on
D3: "OH cool we have a red check let's not solve" is just, no. At least come up with ideas that you have if x flips x.
D4: tbd I do suppose
You've also given reads but like
no solving or questions or whatnot
It just feels like you aren't really doing anything for town. And at this point that's a reason to scumread you
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 6:45 pm
Sorry if this has already been answered but @falcon45ca if you're town and saying we should move off you and onto whatever the backup plan is, where do you suggest we move?
As a PoE slot, you're in the best position to solve the game around yourself and the suspicions on you, but when I asked you yesterday you just went "idk I'll pick random names" and one of them was Wilgy of all people, who died and flipped doctor last night. I mean, I can believe you just threw out names without caring but why don't you care? You don't want to leave a legacy? Or you just aren't much into the game?
If we give you breathing space for the rest of the day, will you work with us to solve or are you going to continue to not give reads?
Sorry, I'm not like...trying to not participate...I've just got a lot on my plate, and this game moved by quite quickly and I have no idea what's going on really.
