Season 10 Champs Practice Game [END - MAFIA WIN]

[DrWilgy]

So as I stated, Porscha's ISO was very good for data on Aro.

To further, I think I need to obtain all takes related to Lucy near the more active time of day phase. This would either need to be explained to me (plz), or I'll just get this data as I continue to catch up.

[DrWilgy]

Re Falcon's ISO per Sabi's request.

Falcon hasn't town spewed yet, but I'd like to give them the chance. I don't think Falcon is ever a good d1 yeet, but if there's no momentum by d2 it becomes more palpable.

I do agree, gth it doesn't look good as Falcon at least responded enough to provide a hint of alignment, but it just wasn't there.

[RondoDimBuckle]

@DrWilgy me next, its a small one and I want some insights into my insights not just to me

[RondoDimBuckle]

Neon, tutuu. If you want me to vote for seanzie today say nothing till 2 hours before EOD

[DrWilgy]

Kate ISO per Sabi's request actually gets some quotes.

Totally forgot about this

I'm actually intrigued by this idea Lucy's brought up so I'm gonna drop a lil [VOTE: lilypetal] aubergine because they seem... TOO on topic and into it for being like 3 hours into start of day 1

Bullshit reason, and I don't know this person or if it is normal but I would like to see where this goes

I think this is towny for dennis

I also thought lily is towny

I agree. Towny Den Den.

This feels like a pocket attempt.

neon, please multi quote or respond to less

there's actual content later

Lucy's concern over neons post cap seems towny to me.

With the amount of thread weight Lucy had this feels important, but kinda meh without flips. Just worth noting for later.

I'm up to page 10 and all I'm reading is a bunch of friends telling each other to eff off. I'm not reading all this. Just vote me out.

And this inspires sadness.

Kate I can see as lost town or lost wolf. There's really not enough to tell. I hope they return in spite of the heat in the thread.

[DrWilgy]

@DrWilgy me next, its a small one and I want some insights into my insights not just to me

Sure but I'm going to bed after this.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Further, I didn't observe any real reactions to anyone sussing Seanzie. This further makes me feel the tonal tr is correct, but if anyone has data contrary to this, please let me know.

Hes posting and thats enough for d1

[DrWilgy]

my pet scum reads are sabi / tutuu / nanook / neon

pyxxy, Sabiplz, tutuu, Dennis - two of my scum reads on lucy

@pyxxy @Sabiplz @tutuu @Dennis find another wagon

I have decided nook is now openwolfing

I have decided nook is now openwolfing

I appreciate the effort but I don't think I'm at risk of being nked

cute, pretty sure ive caught you

iirc someone said earlier in the thread that if nook has a pulse he's town
I have no idea if that's true since I haven't really played with him before (except in something that was more like a misc game than a mafia game and I don't even remember if he posted before randomly dying in an event)
but would you care to elaborate on why you think he's scum?

windward has hit scum equity for me now.

So in immediate observation, I feel that you have thrown out a lot of names as scummy and the explanation for these are somewhat non-existent.

It's fine I guess, like I wouldn't vote over this, but it's jarring when I know you can effectively explain yourself.

Makes me question is
A.) Rondo flinging shit again to see if it sticks and develops?
or
B.) Rondo keeping the PoE large enough so that they don't need to sacrifice momentum as a wolf?

[VOTE: Nanook] aubergine

I still have no opinion on nook but unfortunately I think Rondo is town now so I gotta move my vote

Such a weird progression.

There is no progression
I just don't feel confident enough to vote Lucy, I have no idea what tutuu is doing but aside from paranoia I don't scumread her, and I'm not interested in voting myself yet.

why not pyxxy or tuutu? Why not me? My pushes have not been explained and tutuu has said I am trying to save w!lucy?

Ah, this self awareness following my previous question makes me think it's the former. Decent enough look given this context.

Not going to directly quote the WWA dispute, BUT your stance towards them at least feels genuine. I don't think I know how wolf Rondo approaches pushing, but I don't think it looks like that.

I'll take a look at WWA's ISO tomorrow and see what I think reading the other perspective.

I think you are towny. We'll see. I think you as a player are easier to find once a pelt has been obtained as that at least remains consistent in spite of your purposeful obfuscation.

[DrWilgy]

Further, I didn't observe any real reactions to anyone sussing Seanzie. This further makes me feel the tonal tr is correct, but if anyone has data contrary to this, please let me know.

Hes posting and thats enough for d1

This ain't it chief.

[DrWilgy]

Alright. Good night nerds.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Wilgy I hope we can find each other this game. Your opening is towny. But I am wary of you as a wolf. Towncore:

Wilgy / Sean / Rondo / Lucy / Porscha / One of (Neon/Tutuu/Sabi)

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Further, I didn't observe any real reactions to anyone sussing Seanzie. This further makes me feel the tonal tr is correct, but if anyone has data contrary to this, please let me know.

Hes posting and thats enough for d1

This ain't it chief.

I mean for him on d1

Yeah it is lol

[falcon45ca]

Subs don't change alignments.

I will stick to lucy-game

Sabi has TMI






Get em'

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: aro] aubergine

[RondoDimBuckle]

revenge vote [VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

[pyxxy]

alright god evening everyone I saw the discord notif about lucy being subbed out so welcome arogame, nice to meet you

[pyxxy]

I'm feeling much better why thank you for asking

just cleared a deep dive in DRG ez clap

[pyxxy]

lol what if lucy/tuutuu w/w and neon is the villager being pingponged between them on that page

you really posted this 6 minutes after I said Sabi was probably right about lucy/tutuu not w/w, huh

I just don't see how they could be scum together even with both claiming that they were born from the AtE, molded by it, even

[pyxxy]

@Lilypetal thots on Rondo and Nook defending lucy

Thots in tutuu weirdness irt lucy now?

Thots on both neon and lucy both voting me?

i havent read all of the rondo/nook posts so ill get back to you on that one

i know you said tutuu/lucy not w/w but I really do not understand either of their play if that's the case and to me specifically page 8 felt like they were both doing theatre p blatantly

im unsure why neon is voting you as Idt I've caught up to that point yet. Lucy is partners with tutuu so is just voting you ig

maybe check out the conversation that I had with seanzie about tutuu's wim/bounciness, that is probably the biggest part of why I feel it's not w/w

Anyways, re:Tutuu, a game or two ago they weren't being uhh... let's say "bouncy Tutuu" on D1 and got some heat for it, but then later in the game they were bouncy Tutuu and that helped them get townread. As such, mafia!Tutuu would likely try to emulate Bouncy!Tutuu, and so far all the bounciness seems to be just rehashed things they've done in the past few games (like start townreading themselves), and hasn't struck me as the authentic bounciness they can give off.

Note, this isn't really a scumread, just that Tutuu's behavior I think is compatible with Wolf!Tutuu doing meta-replication, so I don't think they should be cleared off it.

Do you think that starting bouncy is going to help them if they have to maintain it all game tho?

Sounds like a recipe to get tired and slip.

I see what you're saying, but I'm not sure your point actually implies. Regardless of if wolf!Tutuu could fake her town meta for an extended period or not, I think wolf!Tutuu would try to if they felt like they needed to (which again, they were scumread at the beginning of a game recently, so no!bounce!Tutuu->scumread!Tutuu would be fresh in their mind).

Yeah this was me sorta asking for a meta read on tutuu. I have a light meta read on them (her? sorry it's not in bio and idr) from hedgehog which wants me to put them in light sr mostly on behaving differently. So then I figured you seemed like a good person to ask if tutuu can _maintain_ their town game across multiple days as scum, because if not then I won't bother over-focusing on tutuu's D1 and instead I would not write this post and would wait for tutuu's D2 to help reveal them to me.

i think wilgy is the only one here who's seen me scum, a few years ago, i dont know if he remembers

according to alison and mac i'm an insane wolf that's undetectable

i dont wanna tuut my own horn. ive only randed scum twice. i didnt win either LOL

i definitely enjoy wolfing a ton more than towning

i think im not good at town because my brain is too chaotic and i overthink stuff because thats how my brain works and it helps me for wolfing. i dunno. maybe my WIM helps too (when wolfing). and if u kids think that u've seen scum ate u haven't seen my unleash my wolf AtE cannon. I call it the MAGNUM howitzer 69.

Anyways, re:Tutuu, a game or two ago they weren't being uhh... let's say "bouncy Tutuu" on D1 and got some heat for it, but then later in the game they were bouncy Tutuu and that helped them get townread. As such, mafia!Tutuu would likely try to emulate Bouncy!Tutuu, and so far all the bounciness seems to be just rehashed things they've done in the past few games (like start townreading themselves), and hasn't struck me as the authentic bounciness they can give off.

Note, this isn't really a scumread, just that Tutuu's behavior I think is compatible with Wolf!Tutuu doing meta-replication, so I don't think they should be cleared off it.

Do you think that starting bouncy is going to help them if they have to maintain it all game tho?

Sounds like a recipe to get tired and slip.

I see what you're saying, but I'm not sure your point actually implies. Regardless of if wolf!Tutuu could fake her town meta for an extended period or not, I think wolf!Tutuu would try to if they felt like they needed to (which again, they were scumread at the beginning of a game recently, so no!bounce!Tutuu->scumread!Tutuu would be fresh in their mind).

Yeah this was me sorta asking for a meta read on tutuu. I have a light meta read on them (her? sorry it's not in bio and idr) from hedgehog which wants me to put them in light sr mostly on behaving differently. So then I figured you seemed like a good person to ask if tutuu can _maintain_ their town game across multiple days as scum, because if not then I won't bother over-focusing on tutuu's D1 and instead I would not write this post and would wait for tutuu's D2 to help reveal them to me.

I'm not sure if I've seen scum!Tutuu or not.

the topic kinda wraps up with tutuu's response + seanzie being unsure

the way I see it, tutuu deployed bouncy tutuu as a (self-)preservation tactic as scum and seanzie is rightfully being wary of that happening again here

but I'm reading into that the possibility that bouncy is only for (self-)preservation, yet here in this game, bouncy tutuu is _going after lucy_

which doesn't entirely contradict your idea that it's a distraction but it would have to be a distraction by exhaustion? like talking about lucy being scum so intently as to burn the topic out and make us drop it

and like, idk, that doesn't seem effective as a w/w strategy with tutuu postcapping, because 1) tutuu stops being able to do the strategy that she/the theoretical scum team thinks is effective in this situation and 2) it brings some suspicion onto tutuu (imo, at least)

hope this made some sense

[falcon45ca]

revenge vote [VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

[VOTE:

I did feel a tad guilty if that helps] aubergine

[falcon45ca]

Oh no, that's not a real vote everyone.





Just so yer aware

[falcon45ca]

Wilgy has lots of solve energy it would seem... I like the work, but I am wary of the timing.





Wilgy tends to get more of a lay of the land IME, but that's pretty thin isn't it?





GTH Town

[pyxxy]

Hello All! Glad to be here!

I haven’t read much of the game but see my predecessor is in a spot that I am very accustomed to being as well

If the people voting me could respond to this with a tldr of why they sr my slot that would be much appreciated.

I am town and I’ll do my best to get out of this position hehe!

It was a joke vote related to your predecessor's theory about D1 wagons when no hammer and then at some point it turned into a real vote when *waves hands vaguely* happened

I'm catching up though so maybe it changes along the way

This entrance is NAI for me, I got snowed once by a sub on webdip and I'll never forget it

[pyxxy]

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME sorry daddy I dont actually expect my vote to stay on pyxxy

Probs still best to flip aro

Why is it best to flip me Porscha?

Would you not be open to what I have to say and whether or not that would change your mindset on my slot? I can’t control what happened in the past but can only go from here.

Would like to hear ur thoughts/response when u get the chance.

okay see this is what I was afraid of, like maybe you're being facetious but you can't enter the thread and then two minutes later quote someone who was posting about your slot probably without even knowing that you had been subbed in because Porscha's post was literally two minutes after the sub announcement

"Would like to hear ur thoughts/response when u get the chance."
again I'll hedge maybe you just always talk like this but this feels like guilt tripping people for something they literally couldn't do anything about because there's no forewarning for subs they just happen and that's that

idk how much I'm allowed to talk about subs so I'll leave it there but uh welcome to the game I scum read your entrance and wish you the best of luck beating the "sorry for your rand" accusations

[VOTE: arogame] aubergine just to make it clear that I'm staying put

[pyxxy]

I'm up to page 10 and all I'm reading is a bunch of friends telling each other to eff off. I'm not reading all this. Just vote me out.

straight up just skip to when this post appears in the thread, page 18 right around when arogame shows up and I bet you can just pretend the game starts there for now, re-read if you really need to in the future

[Lilypetal]

@pyxxy ill check it out at some point when i have time

busy night pensive

[pyxxy]

anddddddd I've reached WWA just straight claiming, what the fuck is this game

[pyxxy]

bits too small to be a reply, starting from around p17, posting as a brain dump after I finish catching up

- idk what to make of the rondo nook exchange
- oh now WWA is involved somehow?
- rondo can't really think that WWA slipped there re: nook
- arogame entrance
- all my homies hate that arogame entrance
- sad kate makes me sad
- WWA jailkeeper what now?
- arogame instantly paying attention to PR claims? come _on_ (re: WWA)
- _WWA PR claim what now????_ what the fuck is this game
- WWA also engaging with Rondo about nook
- I don't think WWA actually thought Rondo's reads list was real, so idk if that's a valid line of questioning
- arogame town reading rondo for his activity/interviews
- Rondo doesn't believe WWA's being-a-PR claim
- (ed note: I understand what self-resolving means but I don't understand _why_ WWA is considered self-resolving here)
- WWA townreads Rondo for how Rondo progressed on WWA, except it wasn't 100% as expected
- arogame shelf read seanzie/falcon not w/w (I like collecting not w/w posts, I find them useful for myself)
- Rondo explicitly says that his own progression here is NAI
- um what
- WWA straight claiming "even-night jailkeeper" and I no longer know what's going on
- (ed note: that would make the setup either Protect or 6lock)
- (ed note 2: 6lock is almost certainly pronounced block and is a reference to 6lack, a nod of respect to whoever came up with that wordplay
- nook thinks it's a slip and uh I'm inclined to agree, every town role appears twice, I obviously read the mech *pushes up glasses*
- Rondo kinda ignoring the claim and still pushing WWA for non-claim reasons
- scroll right conspiracy is our grassy knoll second shooter
- Seanzie making a lot of sense re: why would WWA claim here as wolf
- arogame keeps trying to get the topic off WWA's claim and back onto nook
- okay arogame is just straight shoving nook (viewtopic.php?p=1032641#p1032641) almost warrants a post but not quite, I don't feel like I understand why though, is it just an attempt for a caught wolf substitute to go 1 for 1 instead of 1 for none? see: my prior suspicions
- screenshots and mobile section which imo straight clears WWA's straight claim
- nook voting me because what else could I expect from this game
- Wilgy!
- wilgy doing what I do and kinda writing to himself but also "the audience", yay we're besties
- I've got a reply to Wilgy cooking after I post this
- oh looks it's me
- and falcon!
- okay caught up, posting all this now

[pyxxy]

@DrWilgy the TLDR of this post is:
The Rondo/WWA exchange isn't scum Rondo doing a really good job PR hunting, right? I'm just tinfoiling, right?

my pet scum reads are sabi / tutuu / nanook / neon

pyxxy, Sabiplz, tutuu, Dennis - two of my scum reads on lucy

@pyxxy @Sabiplz @tutuu @Dennis find another wagon

I have decided nook is now openwolfing

I have decided nook is now openwolfing

I appreciate the effort but I don't think I'm at risk of being nked

cute, pretty sure ive caught you

iirc someone said earlier in the thread that if nook has a pulse he's town
I have no idea if that's true since I haven't really played with him before (except in something that was more like a misc game than a mafia game and I don't even remember if he posted before randomly dying in an event)
but would you care to elaborate on why you think he's scum?

windward has hit scum equity for me now.

So in immediate observation, I feel that you have thrown out a lot of names as scummy and the explanation for these are somewhat non-existent.

It's fine I guess, like I wouldn't vote over this, but it's jarring when I know you can effectively explain yourself.

Makes me question is
A.) Rondo flinging shit again to see if it sticks and develops?
or
B.) Rondo keeping the PoE large enough so that they don't need to sacrifice momentum as a wolf?

[VOTE: Nanook] aubergine

I still have no opinion on nook but unfortunately I think Rondo is town now so I gotta move my vote

Such a weird progression.

There is no progression
I just don't feel confident enough to vote Lucy, I have no idea what tutuu is doing but aside from paranoia I don't scumread her, and I'm not interested in voting myself yet.

why not pyxxy or tuutu? Why not me? My pushes have not been explained and tutuu has said I am trying to save w!lucy?

Ah, this self awareness following my previous question makes me think it's the former. Decent enough look given this context.

Not going to directly quote the WWA dispute, BUT your stance towards them at least feels genuine. I don't think I know how wolf Rondo approaches pushing, but I don't think it looks like that.

I'll take a look at WWA's ISO tomorrow and see what I think reading the other perspective.

I think you are towny. We'll see. I think you as a player are easier to find once a pelt has been obtained as that at least remains consistent in spite of your purposeful obfuscation.

"Rondo flinging shit again to see if it sticks and develops?"
"Ah, this self awareness following my previous question makes me think it's the former."

We're on the same page about Rondo, but I do want to ask you a question.

Have you (or I guess anyone else) ever seen scum Rondo PR hunt before?

I'm about to dump a bunch of notes that might help understand why I'm even considering this as a question. Or maybe they won't, there's a lot of them. Idk.

I'm not sure how to put it more succinctly than this right now because I'm tired:

- WWA jailkeeper what now?
- arogame instantly paying attention to PR claims? come _on_ (re: WWA)
- _WWA PR claim what now????_ what the fuck is this game
- WWA also engaging with Rondo about nook
- I don't think WWA actually thought Rondo's reads list was real, so idk if that's a valid line of questioning
- arogame town reading rondo for his activity/interviews
- Rondo doesn't believe WWA's being-a-PR claim
- (ed note: I understand what self-resolving means but I don't understand _why_ WWA is considered self-resolving here)
- WWA townreads Rondo for how Rondo progressed on WWA, except it wasn't 100% as expected
[ed note: line removed for clairty]
- Rondo explicitly says that his own progression here is NAI
- um what
- WWA straight claiming "even-night jailkeeper" and I no longer know what's going on
- (ed note: that would make the setup either Protect or 6lock)
- (ed note 2: 6lock is almost certainly pronounced block and is a reference to 6lack, a nod of respect to whoever came up with that wordplay
- nook thinks it's a slip and uh I'm inclined to agree, every town role appears twice, I obviously read the mech *pushes up glasses*
- Rondo kinda ignoring the claim and still pushing WWA for non-claim reasons
- scroll right conspiracy is our grassy knoll second shooter
- Seanzie making a lot of sense re: why would WWA claim here as wolf
[ed note: re-reading this I realized my phrasing is awkward, I think Seanzie makes a strong case that WWA is _not_ a wolf claiming here]
[ed note: 3 lines removed for clarity]
- screenshots and mobile section which imo straight clears WWA's straight claim

*reaches into my pantry for some tinfoil*

There's like three sections here. #1 I'll call Regular Rondo. I think up until this long exchange I slight town read Rondo for being Rondo and doing Rondo things. Also feel like I gotta respect his reads more after hedgehog. So I'm cool with Rondo. This Rondo is NAI but helps achieve both town Rondo's and scum Rondo's objectives, imo, so it makes sense for Rondo to be this Rondo.

#2 is Risible Rondo. Sorry that name is a stretch I'm just feeling alliterations rn. Rondo is having a good time, he's in his element, and he's doing his interview thing on Windward...until suddenly Windward claims (non-specific) PR.

We have to view this from both sides, town Rondo and scum Rondo. Here's why I might be completely wrong and still bad at reads so grain of salt.

Town Rondo....I think town Rondo actually believed the same thing as Nook, that WWA has slipped about the setup since Rondo had lied about the setup (wee bit of navelgazing here bud). And if there's something I believe about town Rondo, it's that when he smells blood in the water, he goes for the kill. And that's why the rest of the conversations plays out how it did, leading to WWA's full claim.

Scum Rondo....can't believe his luck. He just got someone to PR claim which is either 1) real or 2) fake, and either case advances the scum win condition given WWA hasn't been the most active during D1 and is not widely town read or anything like that (ed note: still time for WWA to townlead the rest of the day!). Not only this, scum Rondo has managed to out a PR _while playing entirely within town Rondo's range_. He gets carried away in the moment and even posts actual screenshots to confirm WWA's claim.

#3 is uhhhhhhhh Ruh-Roh Rondo.

Town Rondo makes this joke and dips with a sense of accomplishment, and with having exhausted his current reads on the game

I have successfully distanced myself from you WWA, there is no chance they will find me now.

Scum Rondo follows up that joke with

oops wrong chat pls ignore

but like....has anyone scum read you all game? I'm being super nitpicky here but a joke about distancing, I don't bat an eye. A joke about scum chat....feels self-conscious. It feels like scum Rondo was reflecting on the whole conversation with WWA outing herself and is starting to realize how this makes him look. And so he can't help but make a joke about it. Maybe it was even his subconscious that wrote the post.

[ed note: nook had a hand in this too but Rondo and WWA mostly talked to each other]

[pyxxy]

that's all from me tonight see y'all tomorrow

[pyxxy]

(night posting is lonely without Neon :'( )

[WindwardAway]

@DrWilgy the TLDR of this post is:
The Rondo/WWA exchange isn't scum Rondo doing a really good job PR hunting, right? I'm just tinfoiling, right?

my pet scum reads are sabi / tutuu / nanook / neon

pyxxy, Sabiplz, tutuu, Dennis - two of my scum reads on lucy

@pyxxy @Sabiplz @tutuu @Dennis find another wagon

I have decided nook is now openwolfing

I have decided nook is now openwolfing

I appreciate the effort but I don't think I'm at risk of being nked

cute, pretty sure ive caught you

iirc someone said earlier in the thread that if nook has a pulse he's town
I have no idea if that's true since I haven't really played with him before (except in something that was more like a misc game than a mafia game and I don't even remember if he posted before randomly dying in an event)
but would you care to elaborate on why you think he's scum?

windward has hit scum equity for me now.

So in immediate observation, I feel that you have thrown out a lot of names as scummy and the explanation for these are somewhat non-existent.

It's fine I guess, like I wouldn't vote over this, but it's jarring when I know you can effectively explain yourself.

Makes me question is
A.) Rondo flinging shit again to see if it sticks and develops?
or
B.) Rondo keeping the PoE large enough so that they don't need to sacrifice momentum as a wolf?

[VOTE: Nanook] aubergine

I still have no opinion on nook but unfortunately I think Rondo is town now so I gotta move my vote

Such a weird progression.

There is no progression
I just don't feel confident enough to vote Lucy, I have no idea what tutuu is doing but aside from paranoia I don't scumread her, and I'm not interested in voting myself yet.

why not pyxxy or tuutu? Why not me? My pushes have not been explained and tutuu has said I am trying to save w!lucy?

Ah, this self awareness following my previous question makes me think it's the former. Decent enough look given this context.

Not going to directly quote the WWA dispute, BUT your stance towards them at least feels genuine. I don't think I know how wolf Rondo approaches pushing, but I don't think it looks like that.

I'll take a look at WWA's ISO tomorrow and see what I think reading the other perspective.

I think you are towny. We'll see. I think you as a player are easier to find once a pelt has been obtained as that at least remains consistent in spite of your purposeful obfuscation.

"Rondo flinging shit again to see if it sticks and develops?"
"Ah, this self awareness following my previous question makes me think it's the former."

We're on the same page about Rondo, but I do want to ask you a question.

Have you (or I guess anyone else) ever seen scum Rondo PR hunt before?

I'm about to dump a bunch of notes that might help understand why I'm even considering this as a question. Or maybe they won't, there's a lot of them. Idk.

I'm not sure how to put it more succinctly than this right now because I'm tired:

- WWA jailkeeper what now?
- arogame instantly paying attention to PR claims? come _on_ (re: WWA)
- _WWA PR claim what now????_ what the fuck is this game
- WWA also engaging with Rondo about nook
- I don't think WWA actually thought Rondo's reads list was real, so idk if that's a valid line of questioning
- arogame town reading rondo for his activity/interviews
- Rondo doesn't believe WWA's being-a-PR claim
- (ed note: I understand what self-resolving means but I don't understand _why_ WWA is considered self-resolving here)
- WWA townreads Rondo for how Rondo progressed on WWA, except it wasn't 100% as expected
[ed note: line removed for clairty]
- Rondo explicitly says that his own progression here is NAI
- um what
- WWA straight claiming "even-night jailkeeper" and I no longer know what's going on
- (ed note: that would make the setup either Protect or 6lock)
- (ed note 2: 6lock is almost certainly pronounced block and is a reference to 6lack, a nod of respect to whoever came up with that wordplay
- nook thinks it's a slip and uh I'm inclined to agree, every town role appears twice, I obviously read the mech *pushes up glasses*
- Rondo kinda ignoring the claim and still pushing WWA for non-claim reasons
- scroll right conspiracy is our grassy knoll second shooter
- Seanzie making a lot of sense re: why would WWA claim here as wolf
[ed note: re-reading this I realized my phrasing is awkward, I think Seanzie makes a strong case that WWA is _not_ a wolf claiming here]
[ed note: 3 lines removed for clarity]
- screenshots and mobile section which imo straight clears WWA's straight claim

*reaches into my pantry for some tinfoil*

There's like three sections here. #1 I'll call Regular Rondo. I think up until this long exchange I slight town read Rondo for being Rondo and doing Rondo things. Also feel like I gotta respect his reads more after hedgehog. So I'm cool with Rondo. This Rondo is NAI but helps achieve both town Rondo's and scum Rondo's objectives, imo, so it makes sense for Rondo to be this Rondo.

#2 is Risible Rondo. Sorry that name is a stretch I'm just feeling alliterations rn. Rondo is having a good time, he's in his element, and he's doing his interview thing on Windward...until suddenly Windward claims (non-specific) PR.

We have to view this from both sides, town Rondo and scum Rondo. Here's why I might be completely wrong and still bad at reads so grain of salt.

Town Rondo....I think town Rondo actually believed the same thing as Nook, that WWA has slipped about the setup since Rondo had lied about the setup (wee bit of navelgazing here bud). And if there's something I believe about town Rondo, it's that when he smells blood in the water, he goes for the kill. And that's why the rest of the conversations plays out how it did, leading to WWA's full claim.

Scum Rondo....can't believe his luck. He just got someone to PR claim which is either 1) real or 2) fake, and either case advances the scum win condition given WWA hasn't been the most active during D1 and is not widely town read or anything like that (ed note: still time for WWA to townlead the rest of the day!). Not only this, scum Rondo has managed to out a PR _while playing entirely within town Rondo's range_. He gets carried away in the moment and even posts actual screenshots to confirm WWA's claim.

#3 is uhhhhhhhh Ruh-Roh Rondo.

Town Rondo makes this joke and dips with a sense of accomplishment, and with having exhausted his current reads on the game

I have successfully distanced myself from you WWA, there is no chance they will find me now.

Scum Rondo follows up that joke with

oops wrong chat pls ignore

but like....has anyone scum read you all game? I'm being super nitpicky here but a joke about distancing, I don't bat an eye. A joke about scum chat....feels self-conscious. It feels like scum Rondo was reflecting on the whole conversation with WWA outing herself and is starting to realize how this makes him look. And so he can't help but make a joke about it. Maybe it was even his subconscious that wrote the post.

[ed note: nook had a hand in this too but Rondo and WWA mostly talked to each other]

To answer that last part? Yeah, me.

I voted him just as a test to see if he'd show up or heckle me about it or whatever, I don't really care about the setup thing that he posted at the start of the game since for whatever dumb reason I assumed that wasn't even a setup (I just saw words and was like, hah he probably made this up) until I went back and checked it later after saying it wasn't a setup lol. But anyway, I voted him to test the waters, he didn't pass the test, so I kept my vote on him, he started trending upward in my reads but I was too unsure of where to move my vote, then I decided I might as well vote Nook because we were on a relevant discussion and Rondo had sufficiently convinced me by that point that he was town, and I had no read on Nook.

Am I missing something? Does Rondo ever powerwolf?

[RondoDimBuckle]

revenge vote [VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

[VOTE:

I did feel a tad guilty if that helps] aubergine

[VOTE:

I still maintain that lovers implies same wincon and historically can win together but I understand that Scotty chose not to.

I just feel balance wise its weird. If you were a neighbouring role that implies I am lovered thats one thing but the name of the chat is lover slooooo but that's just me excusing poor play] aubergine

[WindwardAway]

Btw what's with the "let's see if Wind becomes a town leader" crap? I've seen it from at least two of you who have been sort of hinting that you think I'm scum for not finding someone to tunnel. Like I get that in every game and I also get tired of it, especially on D1 when I have absolutely no direction I'm going in. Just let me tread water for a day without attempting to drive town off a cliff, geez. And especially as a PR I wanted to make myself just townread enough to evade the vote, but not townread enough that I get instantly NK'ed before I have a chance to act, and being a loud townie is a really good way to ensure that I die.

Anyway, the PR shit is irrelevant and I know half of you are probably waiting for me to rescind. I'm not gonna do it. If this is a protect setup, I do NOT think the doctor should be on me tonight because wolves aren't going to kill me yet. And if they do, oh well, free kill and then Rondo can eat his words. If I survive to endgame and haven't blocked a single kill, you can absolutely wagon me for it, but if we get to that point then chances are the other town PR will have flipped by then and confirm my existence.

Enough about me. Not sure how i feel about Wilgy's catchup so I'm waiting to see more. I did notice that pyxxy's case on Aro seems kind of misplaced because he said that Porscha made that post when she probably hadn't even seen the sub notice, but Porscha explicitly named Aro, not Lucy, so she was definitely aware of it. I don't think it's indicative of a wolf scrabbling at whatever they can, though, I just think it's a mistake. The rest of pyxxy's catchup I liked better than Wilgy's, but I'm not a huge fan of the Rondo paranoia because I'm not sure whether it's real.

I still don't know what Falcon is doing and I guess I'm OK with giving him another say to say something constructive but so far he hasn't, and all he's done is sheep or joke, which doesn't tell me anything at all. And on the topic of lowposters, I'm not sure what Kate is doing, either. She didn't say much and then said she lost WiM because of all the arguing in the thread and hasn't come back since, so hopefully she will come back eventually and do something so I can get a read on her.

I don't think *all* of the inactives are wolves. Probably only one, maybe two if there's a powerwolf, but I also don't really have strong scumreads at this point and I don't really feel bad about it. Part of my attempt to gauge the thread was disrupted by AtE, and the things that weren't AtE felt few and far between, so I've only gotten semi-solid reads on people before and after those points, and coincidentally none of them ended up being scumreads.

Anyway, I feel like I'm talking to myself because probably no one else is awake and I'm wasting posts by doing this, so I'll check back in later.

[WindwardAway]

Idk if I need to waste a post to loudly announce moving my vote, but now I'm voting pyxxy.

[VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine

I keep looking over his Rondo paranoia post again and again, and it increasingly worries me the more I look at it. He tagged Wilgy for a second opinion, I guess that's fine, but the whole tone of the post is like, "look, isn't Rondo actually scummy???" which feels like an easy way for a wolf to justify a push on a townie by faking disbelief at his own reads. The whole catchup progression was like "wow what's going on??" and "yeah that's a slip" and then "no that's not a slip, wind is a PR" which is all kinda NAI, but the case on Rondo after that seems like it's built off that progression while ignoring Nanook almost entirely, despite being fully aware he was also involved in that discussion. Why specifically push rondo over nook? I don't like it.

[Sabiplz]

Good morning,

WWA claim seems believeable

I'm whelmed at Wilgz catch up but eh I will give him a few days

Aro literally dip out of the thread in the weirdest way possible (OK maybe I'm conf biased)

[RondoDimBuckle]

So many things to ignore with the wwa and pyxxy posts

[Seanzie]

Obviously you think we're in protect but both the town roles there show up in another column too

Is this just tmi from mafia that didn't read the setup closely enough? Am I insane?

lolololol

I mean am I wrong, that's a slip isn't it?

I mean I could see how they misread it. But given their claim, I’m just going to wait out and see if there are any cc’s or not.

If not, then they’re prolly clear.

Eh, atm I'm confident enough they're mafia I'd rather nobody cc and we just kill them tbh

No. CC or get off WWA.

[Seanzie]

what differentiates lazy Nook as mafia vs lazy nook as town?

I’ve seen Nook more laid back and trolly as town more often than not.

Nook is trying to find an excuse to sheep someone to remove culpability for their actions, and again, they aren't actually being "laid back and trolly", they're taking pot shots.

Yeah I never sheep as town, definitely not a hallmark of my gameplay

Until you show yourself town, I don't feel bad scumreading you. If you only do things that I know scum!Nook can hide behind, you're going to tend down on my list. Complain about it if you want, but I don't think my strategy towards you is a bad one.

[Seanzie]

what differentiates lazy Nook as mafia vs lazy nook as town?

I’ve seen Nook more laid back and trolly as town more often than not.

Nook is trying to find an excuse to sheep someone to remove culpability for their actions, and again, they aren't actually being "laid back and trolly", they're taking pot shots.

Would you describe my play so far similarly?

No. I don't remember much of your play, but you seem to mostly be interested in giving easy townreads and not doing anything particularly prickly. I'll ISO you though once I catch up in order to see if my feelings towards you still warrant suspicion.

[Seanzie]

@Seanzie, going through your ISO I noticed that you have suspicion on Me, Nook in current, but you also earlier had a suspicion on Kate.

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but I think all 3 of us haven't read the game fully. Do you find that the thread is being generally townie and that would lead to yeeting the slankers?

Is the reason to hit Aerogame the same as it was for Lucy or did that evolve?

My suspicion on Kate was from like Page 1. They haven't really trended up, but as they say, it is now a cold take.

Not having read the game does not excuse not having at least some in-depth content.

I am not ready to give a read of the entire thread - if you actually read my ISO you'd see I have more suspicion than a PoE has room for, so this is not accurate. I'm trying to sort people, and give the opinions that I think people need to see to motivate the game in a productive way. Since I am voting Aro, I am not sure why you'd think I want to particularly yeet slankers.

Did you really read my ISO? Yes, much of my suspicion from Aro has to do with Lucy, and then there is also the benefit of Lucy's slot having generated a lot of conversation, which should lead to a high-info chop. I fully believe that what Aro has done here could be wolf!Aro, even if taken in a vaccuum if I only saw Aro's posts, I'd guess town!Aro, this vaccuum take is not enough to unbalance wolf!Lucy+infochop in terms of where I believe our TK is best spent today.

[Seanzie]

WindwardAway

Porscha

Lilypetal

Neon
DrWilgy

pyxxy
Sabiplz
tutuu
Dennis

Kate
falcon45ca

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
RondoDimBuckle

lucy/Aro

Wilgy went up a little bit because of some of their most recent posting, but I am still very wary here since I do think this is fakable for them and could be a response to suspicion rather than a natural progression into better games.

Rondo has trended down a lot because a lot of their takes are not great IMO, and could easily be wolf-motivated. They also have done multiple posts that could easily be pocket attempts.

I am a little worried about Dennis and Tutuu as the both have faded into the background a bit, I want to see more from them before EoD if possible.

Pyxxy on the surface looked good this last page, but beyond the surface it felt shallow, so idk if I want to move them away from null.

Kate and Falcon will need to eventually do things that make me feel things. I'mma ISO Kate right now I think to figure out if they're in the right spot here or not.

[Seanzie]

Welcome to the towncore Dennis

Do you have a read on Kate or not yet?

Townlean

I'd have to see more because I don't make reads on 10 posts, but she isn't scared to say things whereas at the start of other games, after the first page or so she backs off. Here I think she genuinely just can't keep up like me lol

Where exactly is Kate not scared to say things here? I'd like specific posts where you see this please.

[Seanzie]

WindwardAway

Porscha

Lilypetal

Neon
DrWilgy

pyxxy
Sabiplz
tutuu
Dennis

Kate
falcon45ca

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
RondoDimBuckle

lucy/Aro

Wilgy went up a little bit because of some of their most recent posting, but I am still very wary here since I do think this is fakable for them and could be a response to suspicion rather than a natural progression into better games.

Rondo has trended down a lot because a lot of their takes are not great IMO, and could easily be wolf-motivated. They also have done multiple posts that could easily be pocket attempts.

I am a little worried about Dennis and Tutuu as the both have faded into the background a bit, I want to see more from them before EoD if possible.

Pyxxy on the surface looked good this last page, but beyond the surface it felt shallow, so idk if I want to move them away from null.

Kate and Falcon will need to eventually do things that make me feel things. I'mma ISO Kate right now I think to figure out if they're in the right spot here or not.

Okay, I quickly read Kate's ISO and then Dennis's as well since they were both very short. I don't feel great about either of them, so I'd like to make this adjustment.

WindwardAway

Porscha

Lilypetal

Neon
DrWilgy

pyxxy
Sabiplz
tutuu

Dennis
falcon45ca

Kate
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
RondoDimBuckle

lucy/Aro

[Seanzie]

That bottom list was not meant to be in quotes, but oh well.

[Sabiplz]

Sean your lack of read on me is concerning since I'm one of the loud voices in thread

[Seanzie]

Sean your lack of read on me is concerning since I'm one of the loud voices in thread

It really shouldn't be concerning. I'll give you a cookie if you can tell me why I don't have a read on you.

[Seanzie]

Sean your lack of read on me is concerning since I'm one of the loud voices in thread

It really shouldn't be concerning. I'll give you a cookie if you can tell me why I don't have a read on you.

Ehh, actually I'll just tell you. That way I get to keep the cookie.

I don't confidently know how to read you, so I haven't really bothered to try. Now, NORMALLY in those sorts of situations, I would just fling shit at the wall, throw a "confident" read that I don't actually believe into the thread, and make you and others do AI things about it and then let others figure you out that way, but I'm making an effort to actually play in the way I would during champs. This means that most people will not know me (or only just barely know me), and so my normal approach of "damn read accuracy, make people do AI things" will not go over well since people would view my aggression as wolfy, my "confidence" in weak reads as wolfy, or will sheep the takes I get wrong to hide behind me. Those sorts of things don't work here because people know me, but they will in Champs, so I don't plan to play like that. At least not entirely.

[WindwardAway]

WindwardAway

Porscha

Lilypetal

Neon
DrWilgy

pyxxy
Sabiplz
tutuu
Dennis

Kate
falcon45ca

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
RondoDimBuckle

lucy/Aro

Wilgy went up a little bit because of some of their most recent posting, but I am still very wary here since I do think this is fakable for them and could be a response to suspicion rather than a natural progression into better games.

Rondo has trended down a lot because a lot of their takes are not great IMO, and could easily be wolf-motivated. They also have done multiple posts that could easily be pocket attempts.

I am a little worried about Dennis and Tutuu as the both have faded into the background a bit, I want to see more from them before EoD if possible.

Pyxxy on the surface looked good this last page, but beyond the surface it felt shallow, so idk if I want to move them away from null.

Kate and Falcon will need to eventually do things that make me feel things. I'mma ISO Kate right now I think to figure out if they're in the right spot here or not.

Tutuu postcapped so I don't think we're seeing more of her before EoD, and she said it would be 4 am for her so I doubt she'll be back for that

But seriously, what am I missing on Rondo? Why is there suddenly a push on him where there wasn't before? Does he powerwolf? Cause im voting pyxxy for pushing Rondo but ignoring nook, but now that you're also saying you think Rondo could be scum, I want to hear what the case is and why it doesn't necessarily come from town.

[Seanzie]

WindwardAway

Porscha

Lilypetal

Neon
DrWilgy

pyxxy
Sabiplz
tutuu
Dennis

Kate
falcon45ca

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
RondoDimBuckle

lucy/Aro

Wilgy went up a little bit because of some of their most recent posting, but I am still very wary here since I do think this is fakable for them and could be a response to suspicion rather than a natural progression into better games.

Rondo has trended down a lot because a lot of their takes are not great IMO, and could easily be wolf-motivated. They also have done multiple posts that could easily be pocket attempts.

I am a little worried about Dennis and Tutuu as the both have faded into the background a bit, I want to see more from them before EoD if possible.

Pyxxy on the surface looked good this last page, but beyond the surface it felt shallow, so idk if I want to move them away from null.

Kate and Falcon will need to eventually do things that make me feel things. I'mma ISO Kate right now I think to figure out if they're in the right spot here or not.

Tutuu postcapped so I don't think we're seeing more of her before EoD, and she said it would be 4 am for her so I doubt she'll be back for that

But seriously, what am I missing on Rondo? Why is there suddenly a push on him where there wasn't before? Does he powerwolf? Cause im voting pyxxy for pushing Rondo but ignoring nook, but now that you're also saying you think Rondo could be scum, I want to hear what the case is and why it doesn't necessarily come from town.

Rondo's treatment of you was extremely wolfy IMO. Yes, Rondo can high-post and act crazy as a wolf, not saying that is necessarily wolf-indicative for him, but wolf-compatible for sure. Rondo also has some bad takes on people like Porscha, and his post to me saying "are we finally going to be town that agree?" felt pockety, and he did the same thing to someone else.

The push on Rondo IMO has come from how Rondo has treated you mostly, and I think it is justified.