Game of Champions 2022 mafia win lol

[RondoDimBuckle]

That being said we have polar opposite reads atm which is NOT GOOD

-t

Hey, atm we have the same read on Wilgy, sig, Porscha and apparently Sloonei? And actually the same read on SVS (that her claim is honest about 3p, and hopefully honest as to not inherently anti-town).

Sig and others are shielding falcon. Don't say I understand the reason, but lets just say we agree on that too.

That's a starting point, it's just not the exact same starting point as yours or mine.

That leaves, between us, just the four suspects, two from each of us

Dizzy
Ender
Guillotine
Rondo

I'd rate likelihood of wolf as ender > Guillo > Rondo > Dizzy in this four.

I would prefer to be after Dizzy could I ask your thinking on Dizzy being townier than me?

[Golden]

Wait, did Ender give guns to all of Scotty, sig and Wilgy?

[RondoDimBuckle]

And I was like 'hey, Neon's a great person to talk to and if I redirect to her it's OK, I believe she is 3P'

Honestly, rondo isn't wrong that I'm playing my role poorly this game.

Sorry I didnt mean it to come out so mean. I was just resigned to the fact that I have to accept you played completely opposite to how I would have

[Golden]

That being said we have polar opposite reads atm which is NOT GOOD

-t

Hey, atm we have the same read on Wilgy, sig, Porscha and apparently Sloonei? And actually the same read on SVS (that her claim is honest about 3p, and hopefully honest as to not inherently anti-town).

Sig and others are shielding falcon. Don't say I understand the reason, but lets just say we agree on that too.

That's a starting point, it's just not the exact same starting point as yours or mine.

That leaves, between us, just the four suspects, two from each of us

Dizzy
Ender
Guillotine
Rondo

I'd rate likelihood of wolf as ender > Guillo > Rondo > Dizzy in this four.

I would prefer to be after Dizzy could I ask your thinking on Dizzy being townier than me?

Dizzy feels like t!golden and so I'm confbiasing that this makes him town.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Ok so Enders role mechanically doesnt make sense to be mafia Golden because

1) its incredibly pro town
2) it is claimed to be confusing and ender doesnt even understand it (checks out with other town roles being confusing and having half assed descriptions coz nanook was too lazy to write detailed)
3) mafia dont have fakeclaims because radish claimed normal VT and gave up and died. So if ender is mafia, he has played a galaxy brain long con game with having this ridiculous plan of pre emptively fake softing a role that isnt worded properly

Ender has no reason to give these items to town. On n1 he didnt know what it did. He gave scotty a gun. On n2 he could have given a mafia buddy a gun to silently shoot a town, after figuring it iut

I suppose there might be some tinfoil that ender and wilgy are both mafia hm...

Well. Enders role ... By design is just really pro town. Its mowing down the poe. Every night

It could be a mafia, if nook decided to design a mafia role that was pro-town and fooled people into trusting it

But ... Hm. It just seems really far fetched to me

Like Ender being mafia is on the same level of sig being mafia and shooting alison, to me

-t

It could be SK, I didnt read the Neon flip but she was town right? there has to be a 3p killer out there right?

[RondoDimBuckle]

I uh wouldnt call Dizzy outed mafia anymore

But i maintain with extreme confidence that Rondo is outed mafia. I wrote 3 separate big posts about him that i think were all good, and none if them involved any emotion

-t

as we know, the more you write about something the more right it becomes. /s

[RondoDimBuckle]

I uh losing confidence in my reads lmao

Listen guys i dont wanna be controlling and shit

Im just like doing it for fun + trynna win at the same time

I just think rondo is mafia and we really really really should kill him. I dunno how we take it from there, im not confident enough to say "do this do that" after we kill rondo

-t

admitting she hits wincon when I die

[Golden]

And I was like 'hey, Neon's a great person to talk to and if I redirect to her it's OK, I believe she is 3P'

Honestly, rondo isn't wrong that I'm playing my role poorly this game.

Sorry I didnt mean it to come out so mean. I was just resigned to the fact that I have to accept you played completely opposite to how I would have

It didn't come across as mean, it's not an unfair characterisation lol. You'll understand my choices more once my role is fully revealed.

[RondoDimBuckle]

I uh losing confidence in my reads lmao

Listen guys i dont wanna be controlling and shit

Im just like doing it for fun + trynna win at the same time

I just think rondo is mafia and we really really really should kill him. I dunno how we take it from there, im not confident enough to say "do this do that" after we kill rondo

-t

Understandable
Part of me wants to think rondo isnt wolfing but it's hard to deny the facts that he doesnt bother trying to negate or explain

give me a list, lets go

[Porscha]

My check in falcon comes back as:

I would like to not tell any of you.

I thought about it and decided falcon probably wasnt the best person to check

wait, why the fuck would you check falcon if you arent willing to defend me as town? If I am one of the most hotly contested people in the game and after the flip look even more scummy how on earth do you not windmill slam check my alignment if you have an alignment check?!

Cuz it isnt an alignment check

[RondoDimBuckle]

That being said we have polar opposite reads atm which is NOT GOOD

-t

Hey, atm we have the same read on Wilgy, sig, Porscha and apparently Sloonei? And actually the same read on SVS (that her claim is honest about 3p, and hopefully honest as to not inherently anti-town).

Sig and others are shielding falcon. Don't say I understand the reason, but lets just say we agree on that too.

That's a starting point, it's just not the exact same starting point as yours or mine.

That leaves, between us, just the four suspects, two from each of us

Dizzy
Ender
Guillotine
Rondo

I'd rate likelihood of wolf as ender > Guillo > Rondo > Dizzy in this four.

I would prefer to be after Dizzy could I ask your thinking on Dizzy being townier than me?

Dizzy feels like t!golden and so I'm confbiasing that this makes him town.

That is nothing compared to the Kate shield of me imho

[Porscha]

Wait, did Ender give guns to all of Scotty, sig and Wilgy?

Sig claims to have had his own gun

Wilgy gave his to scotty and wilgy and then when he tried giving a gun to michelle, it turned into a suicide vest, and then last night I got the kp check

[Porscha]

Ok so Enders role mechanically doesnt make sense to be mafia Golden because

1) its incredibly pro town
2) it is claimed to be confusing and ender doesnt even understand it (checks out with other town roles being confusing and having half assed descriptions coz nanook was too lazy to write detailed)
3) mafia dont have fakeclaims because radish claimed normal VT and gave up and died. So if ender is mafia, he has played a galaxy brain long con game with having this ridiculous plan of pre emptively fake softing a role that isnt worded properly

Ender has no reason to give these items to town. On n1 he didnt know what it did. He gave scotty a gun. On n2 he could have given a mafia buddy a gun to silently shoot a town, after figuring it iut

I suppose there might be some tinfoil that ender and wilgy are both mafia hm...

Well. Enders role ... By design is just really pro town. Its mowing down the poe. Every night

It could be a mafia, if nook decided to design a mafia role that was pro-town and fooled people into trusting it

But ... Hm. It just seems really far fetched to me

Like Ender being mafia is on the same level of sig being mafia and shooting alison, to me

-t

It could be SK, I didnt read the Neon flip but she was town right? there has to be a 3p killer out there right?

Neon was town and if svs is being truthful then she has kp

[Porscha]

Also if you think I have information and I am not sharing it means I am town in your eyes. This is so openwolfing I am voting here [VOTE: Porscha ] aubergine

AcKsHuAlLy mafia and other alignments may also have information the rest of the thread doesnt have and that's why wolves have tmi and towns dont

Having info is in this particular instance is not AI
Your unwillingness to share it is AI

[Golden]

Ok so Enders role mechanically doesnt make sense to be mafia Golden because

1) its incredibly pro town

See, I'm not sure I agree with this. Assuming I remember correctly:

What we know is:

He gave a gun to scotty, scotty killed Dennis. PoE kill yes, but the whole PoE was town.

He specifically made sure Scotty knew where it came from/got a signpost that he could claim to down in the thread. Scotty got to use the gun

@Scotty

Did you notice anything happen last night at all?

He gave a gun to sig, sig killed Alison in a hero shot
He gave a gun to Wilgy, Wilgy killed Radishes in a PoE that was stacked with wolves
He gave a suicide vest to Michelle, killing Michelle and no one else in a PoE that was ??? re wolves.
He gave Porscha a non-kill power.

All in all, the outcome of Ender's ability has been pro town, but.

What we don't know is

Is Ender honest about not knowing what he's giving? (t!Ender is being honest. w!Ender is lying).
What Ender's role actually IS (especially given Ender's claim that he doesn't know what he's giving).

Let's imagine a world where Ender is wolf and knows exactly what he's giving, humour me.

1) First gun, he gives to someone who he trusts is likely to shoot into a PoE full of town. And Dennis dies, but Ender is able to begin a campaign for town cred with "hey Scotty, what did I give you?"
2) Second gun, he gives to someone who is known for his unpredictable play, and who could easily and did go for the hero shot. There's a world where that shot takes out Mac or me or something like that.
3) Third gun, he gives to someone else who is known for his unpredictable play, and who could easily go for the hero shot. Wilgy, instead, plays it safe.
4) So Ender goes instead for suicide vest, giving it to a townie who then dies wearing it.
5) And then he gives something that isn't kill power.

Also btw I guess the kills must be used the same night since the guns operated on nights one two and three, but (4) and (5) waited until the next day.

In a world where Ender is wolf, he can choose what he gives, and he's chosen to give guns to people he thinks will shoot town, maybe even towncore. It's a risk, but it's a very high percentage risk to take for town cred.

But as the numbers shift, the gifts become more conservative.

The ability could easily also be used to give a gun to a teammate (he didn't, and that's clean play as wolf or town, but there's inherently that ability involved) - enabling wolves to claim they are hero-shooting and shoot outside PoE without a tonne of risk to Ender himself.

I don't think the role is *inherently* pro town in the event Ender is wolf, particularly because I think in that scenario he knows more.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Also if you think I have information and I am not sharing it means I am town in your eyes. This is so openwolfing I am voting here [VOTE: Porscha ] aubergine

AcKsHuAlLy mafia and other alignments may also have information the rest of the thread doesnt have and that's why wolves have tmi and towns dont

Having info is in this particular instance is not AI
Your unwillingness to share it is AI

I have asked you three times and I wont again. What info?

[Porscha]

[VOTE: party crasher] aubergine

From my detached point of view, the hydra is the slot most responsible for dictating the direction of the thread right now. Also from my detached point of view, the thread is not in a great state right now. If PC is town, this vote should be taken as a word of caution. If PC is not town, then look at me go.

PC is not town if they keep pushing this anti town agenda. There is no way town can come together into a proper discussion while tutuu is ruining town wim and causing a rift between everyone but they are likely 3p going off when other people said. She just wants to murder me so we ignore her and find the wolves

I think when you're caught up you will not find this to be true

[Golden]

But hey, I can see you have actually thought through the worlds of this and see it as far fetched. I get it, I just think mechanical clearing (other than actual cop shit) is unwise.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Ok so Enders role mechanically doesnt make sense to be mafia Golden because

1) its incredibly pro town

See, I'm not sure I agree with this. Assuming I remember correctly:

What we know is:

He gave a gun to scotty, scotty killed Dennis. PoE kill yes, but the whole PoE was town.

He specifically made sure Scotty knew where it came from/got a signpost that he could claim to down in the thread. Scotty got to use the gun

@Scotty

Did you notice anything happen last night at all?

He gave a gun to sig, sig killed Alison in a hero shot
He gave a gun to Wilgy, Wilgy killed Radishes in a PoE that was stacked with wolves
He gave a suicide vest to Michelle, killing Michelle and no one else in a PoE that was ??? re wolves.
He gave Porscha a non-kill power.

All in all, the outcome of Ender's ability has been pro town, but.

What we don't know is

Is Ender honest about not knowing what he's giving? (t!Ender is being honest. w!Ender is lying).
What Ender's role actually IS (especially given Ender's claim that he doesn't know what he's giving).

Let's imagine a world where Ender is wolf and knows exactly what he's giving, humour me.

1) First gun, he gives to someone who he trusts is likely to shoot into a PoE full of town. And Dennis dies, but Ender is able to begin a campaign for town cred with "hey Scotty, what did I give you?"
2) Second gun, he gives to someone who is known for his unpredictable play, and who could easily and did go for the hero shot. There's a world where that shot takes out Mac or me or something like that.
3) Third gun, he gives to someone else who is known for his unpredictable play, and who could easily go for the hero shot. Wilgy, instead, plays it safe.
4) So Ender goes instead for suicide vest, giving it to a townie who then dies wearing it.
5) And then he gives something that isn't kill power.

Also btw I guess the kills must be used the same night since the guns operated on nights one two and three, but (4) and (5) waited until the next day.

In a world where Ender is wolf, he can choose what he gives, and he's chosen to give guns to people he thinks will shoot town, maybe even towncore. It's a risk, but it's a very high percentage risk to take for town cred.

But as the numbers shift, the gifts become more conservative.

The ability could easily also be used to give a gun to a teammate (he didn't, and that's clean play as wolf or town, but there's inherently that ability involved) - enabling wolves to claim they are hero-shooting and shoot outside PoE without a tonne of risk to Ender himself.

I don't think the role is *inherently* pro town in the event Ender is wolf, particularly because I think in that scenario he knows more.

Mac killed dennis with his americanisation

[Golden]

Hey @RondoDimBuckle got any conclusions about the scotty elim?

[Golden]

Ok so Enders role mechanically doesnt make sense to be mafia Golden because

1) its incredibly pro town

See, I'm not sure I agree with this. Assuming I remember correctly:

What we know is:

He gave a gun to scotty, scotty killed Dennis. PoE kill yes, but the whole PoE was town.

He specifically made sure Scotty knew where it came from/got a signpost that he could claim to down in the thread. Scotty got to use the gun

@Scotty

Did you notice anything happen last night at all?

He gave a gun to sig, sig killed Alison in a hero shot
He gave a gun to Wilgy, Wilgy killed Radishes in a PoE that was stacked with wolves
He gave a suicide vest to Michelle, killing Michelle and no one else in a PoE that was ??? re wolves.
He gave Porscha a non-kill power.

All in all, the outcome of Ender's ability has been pro town, but.

What we don't know is

Is Ender honest about not knowing what he's giving? (t!Ender is being honest. w!Ender is lying).
What Ender's role actually IS (especially given Ender's claim that he doesn't know what he's giving).

Let's imagine a world where Ender is wolf and knows exactly what he's giving, humour me.

1) First gun, he gives to someone who he trusts is likely to shoot into a PoE full of town. And Dennis dies, but Ender is able to begin a campaign for town cred with "hey Scotty, what did I give you?"
2) Second gun, he gives to someone who is known for his unpredictable play, and who could easily and did go for the hero shot. There's a world where that shot takes out Mac or me or something like that.
3) Third gun, he gives to someone else who is known for his unpredictable play, and who could easily go for the hero shot. Wilgy, instead, plays it safe.
4) So Ender goes instead for suicide vest, giving it to a townie who then dies wearing it.
5) And then he gives something that isn't kill power.

Also btw I guess the kills must be used the same night since the guns operated on nights one two and three, but (4) and (5) waited until the next day.

In a world where Ender is wolf, he can choose what he gives, and he's chosen to give guns to people he thinks will shoot town, maybe even towncore. It's a risk, but it's a very high percentage risk to take for town cred.

But as the numbers shift, the gifts become more conservative.

The ability could easily also be used to give a gun to a teammate (he didn't, and that's clean play as wolf or town, but there's inherently that ability involved) - enabling wolves to claim they are hero-shooting and shoot outside PoE without a tonne of risk to Ender himself.

I don't think the role is *inherently* pro town in the event Ender is wolf, particularly because I think in that scenario he knows more.

Mac killed dennis with his americanisation

Wait who'd scotty kill. Oh Ender gave scotty a gun not sig and scotty vigged IAWY

[RondoDimBuckle]

[VOTE: party crasher] aubergine

From my detached point of view, the hydra is the slot most responsible for dictating the direction of the thread right now. Also from my detached point of view, the thread is not in a great state right now. If PC is town, this vote should be taken as a word of caution. If PC is not town, then look at me go.

PC is not town if they keep pushing this anti town agenda. There is no way town can come together into a proper discussion while tutuu is ruining town wim and causing a rift between everyone but they are likely 3p going off when other people said. She just wants to murder me so we ignore her and find the wolves

I think when you're caught up you will not find this to be true

she has decided I am mafia and will not re-evaluate and is attacking me whenever I try to talk to anyone regardless of if she is involved or not. She is causing a thread state that is combative and not inclusive to people who want to avoid that kind of vibe. It also pushes away any collaborative thought. And you, my current mafia vibe, tells me what I know to be true as untrue? Interesting.

[Porscha]

Ok so Enders role mechanically doesnt make sense to be mafia Golden because

1) its incredibly pro town

See, I'm not sure I agree with this. Assuming I remember correctly:

What we know is:

He gave a gun to scotty, scotty killed Dennis. PoE kill yes, but the whole PoE was town.

He specifically made sure Scotty knew where it came from/got a signpost that he could claim to down in the thread. Scotty got to use the gun

@Scotty

Did you notice anything happen last night at all?

He gave a gun to sig, sig killed Alison in a hero shot
He gave a gun to Wilgy, Wilgy killed Radishes in a PoE that was stacked with wolves
He gave a suicide vest to Michelle, killing Michelle and no one else in a PoE that was ??? re wolves.
He gave Porscha a non-kill power.

All in all, the outcome of Ender's ability has been pro town, but.

What we don't know is

Is Ender honest about not knowing what he's giving? (t!Ender is being honest. w!Ender is lying).
What Ender's role actually IS (especially given Ender's claim that he doesn't know what he's giving).

Let's imagine a world where Ender is wolf and knows exactly what he's giving, humour me.

1) First gun, he gives to someone who he trusts is likely to shoot into a PoE full of town. And Dennis dies, but Ender is able to begin a campaign for town cred with "hey Scotty, what did I give you?"
2) Second gun, he gives to someone who is known for his unpredictable play, and who could easily and did go for the hero shot. There's a world where that shot takes out Mac or me or something like that.
3) Third gun, he gives to someone else who is known for his unpredictable play, and who could easily go for the hero shot. Wilgy, instead, plays it safe.
4) So Ender goes instead for suicide vest, giving it to a townie who then dies wearing it.
5) And then he gives something that isn't kill power.

Also btw I guess the kills must be used the same night since the guns operated on nights one two and three, but (4) and (5) waited until the next day.

In a world where Ender is wolf, he can choose what he gives, and he's chosen to give guns to people he thinks will shoot town, maybe even towncore. It's a risk, but it's a very high percentage risk to take for town cred.

But as the numbers shift, the gifts become more conservative.

The ability could easily also be used to give a gun to a teammate (he didn't, and that's clean play as wolf or town, but there's inherently that ability involved) - enabling wolves to claim they are hero-shooting and shoot outside PoE without a tonne of risk to Ender himself.

I don't think the role is *inherently* pro town in the event Ender is wolf, particularly because I think in that scenario he knows more.

I appreciate the effort but I'm pretty sure mac killed dennis. Wilgy didnt give a gun to sig at all
This may alter how you witness the history

[RondoDimBuckle]

Hey @RondoDimBuckle got any conclusions about the scotty elim?

tbh mostly checked out, between you, wilgy, sloonie we have it.

[Porscha]

[VOTE: party crasher] aubergine

From my detached point of view, the hydra is the slot most responsible for dictating the direction of the thread right now. Also from my detached point of view, the thread is not in a great state right now. If PC is town, this vote should be taken as a word of caution. If PC is not town, then look at me go.

PC is not town if they keep pushing this anti town agenda. There is no way town can come together into a proper discussion while tutuu is ruining town wim and causing a rift between everyone but they are likely 3p going off when other people said. She just wants to murder me so we ignore her and find the wolves

I think when you're caught up you will not find this to be true

she has decided I am mafia and will not re-evaluate and is attacking me whenever I try to talk to anyone regardless of if she is involved or not. She is causing a thread state that is combative and not inclusive to people who want to avoid that kind of vibe. It also pushes away any collaborative thought. And you, my current mafia vibe, tells me what I know to be true as untrue? Interesting.

Rondo I feel like you're really disconnected from the thread if you sincerely havent found me town yet

[Golden]

Ok so Enders role mechanically doesnt make sense to be mafia Golden because

1) its incredibly pro town

See, I'm not sure I agree with this. Assuming I remember correctly:

What we know is:

He gave a gun to scotty, scotty killed Dennis. PoE kill yes, but the whole PoE was town.

He specifically made sure Scotty knew where it came from/got a signpost that he could claim to down in the thread. Scotty got to use the gun

@Scotty

Did you notice anything happen last night at all?

He gave a gun to sig, sig killed Alison in a hero shot
He gave a gun to Wilgy, Wilgy killed Radishes in a PoE that was stacked with wolves
He gave a suicide vest to Michelle, killing Michelle and no one else in a PoE that was ??? re wolves.
He gave Porscha a non-kill power.

All in all, the outcome of Ender's ability has been pro town, but.

What we don't know is

Is Ender honest about not knowing what he's giving? (t!Ender is being honest. w!Ender is lying).
What Ender's role actually IS (especially given Ender's claim that he doesn't know what he's giving).

Let's imagine a world where Ender is wolf and knows exactly what he's giving, humour me.

1) First gun, he gives to someone who he trusts is likely to shoot into a PoE full of town. And Dennis dies, but Ender is able to begin a campaign for town cred with "hey Scotty, what did I give you?"
2) Second gun, he gives to someone who is known for his unpredictable play, and who could easily and did go for the hero shot. There's a world where that shot takes out Mac or me or something like that.
3) Third gun, he gives to someone else who is known for his unpredictable play, and who could easily go for the hero shot. Wilgy, instead, plays it safe.
4) So Ender goes instead for suicide vest, giving it to a townie who then dies wearing it.
5) And then he gives something that isn't kill power.

Also btw I guess the kills must be used the same night since the guns operated on nights one two and three, but (4) and (5) waited until the next day.

In a world where Ender is wolf, he can choose what he gives, and he's chosen to give guns to people he thinks will shoot town, maybe even towncore. It's a risk, but it's a very high percentage risk to take for town cred.

But as the numbers shift, the gifts become more conservative.

The ability could easily also be used to give a gun to a teammate (he didn't, and that's clean play as wolf or town, but there's inherently that ability involved) - enabling wolves to claim they are hero-shooting and shoot outside PoE without a tonne of risk to Ender himself.

I don't think the role is *inherently* pro town in the event Ender is wolf, particularly because I think in that scenario he knows more.

I appreciate the effort but I'm pretty sure mac killed dennis. Wilgy didnt give a gun to sig at all
This may alter how you witness the history

I mean, one less wolf killed with enders ability, so it's killed two townies and one wolf so far rather than 2/2.

Yeah, I'm not gonna redo the analysis but no it doesn't materially change the history I just think this analysis is kinda NAI.

t!ender is being honest
w!ender is lying

And I don't think his choice of targets is particularly determinative and I don't think the USE of the role is clearly town-leaning.

[RondoDimBuckle]

I do regret it, I didnt know that Scotty was spew clear otherwise I would have just left him alone. Probably still would have flash wagoned someone because if svs is 3p, the shot is not on mafia

[RondoDimBuckle]

[VOTE: party crasher] aubergine

From my detached point of view, the hydra is the slot most responsible for dictating the direction of the thread right now. Also from my detached point of view, the thread is not in a great state right now. If PC is town, this vote should be taken as a word of caution. If PC is not town, then look at me go.

PC is not town if they keep pushing this anti town agenda. There is no way town can come together into a proper discussion while tutuu is ruining town wim and causing a rift between everyone but they are likely 3p going off when other people said. She just wants to murder me so we ignore her and find the wolves

I think when you're caught up you will not find this to be true

she has decided I am mafia and will not re-evaluate and is attacking me whenever I try to talk to anyone regardless of if she is involved or not. She is causing a thread state that is combative and not inclusive to people who want to avoid that kind of vibe. It also pushes away any collaborative thought. And you, my current mafia vibe, tells me what I know to be true as untrue? Interesting.

Rondo I feel like you're really disconnected from the thread if you sincerely havent found me town yet

show me when youve been towny. I havent seen it or felt it. I just see you slanking about globbing onto other peoples pushes. When have you pushed someone regardless of what someone else thinks?

[Golden]

I do regret it, I didnt know that Scotty was spew clear otherwise I would have just left him alone. Probably still would have flash wagoned someone because if svs is 3p, the shot is not on mafia

Yeah, I kinda regret that it wasn't on guillo.

You feel super sure that sloonei/wilgy is t/t not w/w or 3p/3p?

[Porscha]

I did other things but they ended up being useless / hitting dead people so I didnt really talk about them

Will you elaborate on what you did despite it being useless

[Porscha]

[VOTE: party crasher] aubergine

From my detached point of view, the hydra is the slot most responsible for dictating the direction of the thread right now. Also from my detached point of view, the thread is not in a great state right now. If PC is town, this vote should be taken as a word of caution. If PC is not town, then look at me go.

PC is not town if they keep pushing this anti town agenda. There is no way town can come together into a proper discussion while tutuu is ruining town wim and causing a rift between everyone but they are likely 3p going off when other people said. She just wants to murder me so we ignore her and find the wolves

I think when you're caught up you will not find this to be true

she has decided I am mafia and will not re-evaluate and is attacking me whenever I try to talk to anyone regardless of if she is involved or not. She is causing a thread state that is combative and not inclusive to people who want to avoid that kind of vibe. It also pushes away any collaborative thought. And you, my current mafia vibe, tells me what I know to be true as untrue? Interesting.

Rondo I feel like you're really disconnected from the thread if you sincerely havent found me town yet

show me when youve been towny. I havent seen it or felt it. I just see you slanking about globbing onto other peoples pushes. When have you pushed someone regardless of what someone else thinks?

I warned mac of alison day 1 without anybody's help or thoughts

[Golden]

It also pushes away any collaborative thought.

This is how I was feeling in the moment too, but Porscha is right that if you catch up I feel like it shifts.

[Porscha]

[VOTE: party crasher] aubergine

From my detached point of view, the hydra is the slot most responsible for dictating the direction of the thread right now. Also from my detached point of view, the thread is not in a great state right now. If PC is town, this vote should be taken as a word of caution. If PC is not town, then look at me go.

PC is not town if they keep pushing this anti town agenda. There is no way town can come together into a proper discussion while tutuu is ruining town wim and causing a rift between everyone but they are likely 3p going off when other people said. She just wants to murder me so we ignore her and find the wolves

I think when you're caught up you will not find this to be true

she has decided I am mafia and will not re-evaluate and is attacking me whenever I try to talk to anyone regardless of if she is involved or not. She is causing a thread state that is combative and not inclusive to people who want to avoid that kind of vibe. It also pushes away any collaborative thought. And you, my current mafia vibe, tells me what I know to be true as untrue? Interesting.

Rondo I feel like you're really disconnected from the thread if you sincerely havent found me town yet

show me when youve been towny. I havent seen it or felt it. I just see you slanking about globbing onto other peoples pushes. When have you pushed someone regardless of what someone else thinks?

I warned mac of alison day 1 without anybody's help or thoughts

I've maintained golden town despite PC Poe'ing him earlier today

[Porscha]

[VOTE: party crasher] aubergine

From my detached point of view, the hydra is the slot most responsible for dictating the direction of the thread right now. Also from my detached point of view, the thread is not in a great state right now. If PC is town, this vote should be taken as a word of caution. If PC is not town, then look at me go.

PC is not town if they keep pushing this anti town agenda. There is no way town can come together into a proper discussion while tutuu is ruining town wim and causing a rift between everyone but they are likely 3p going off when other people said. She just wants to murder me so we ignore her and find the wolves

I think when you're caught up you will not find this to be true

she has decided I am mafia and will not re-evaluate and is attacking me whenever I try to talk to anyone regardless of if she is involved or not. She is causing a thread state that is combative and not inclusive to people who want to avoid that kind of vibe. It also pushes away any collaborative thought. And you, my current mafia vibe, tells me what I know to be true as untrue? Interesting.

Rondo I feel like you're really disconnected from the thread if you sincerely havent found me town yet

show me when youve been towny. I havent seen it or felt it. I just see you slanking about globbing onto other peoples pushes. When have you pushed someone regardless of what someone else thinks?

And I would not consider my activity levels "slanking"

[Porscha]

I also tr'd cape and dennis day 1 and wouldnt touch the wagons and instead voted mac who I also tr'd since be asked me to for his lied-about- cop check @RondoDimBuckle

[Golden]

For me Porscha and sig are locktown, if they are wolves town is screwed levels of locktown.

[RondoDimBuckle]

I do regret it, I didnt know that Scotty was spew clear otherwise I would have just left him alone. Probably still would have flash wagoned someone because if svs is 3p, the shot is not on mafia

Yeah, I kinda regret that it wasn't on guillo.

You feel super sure that sloonei/wilgy is t/t not w/w or 3p/3p?

Sloonie's defense on me could be a pocket sure. But he has done some serious analysis of my position d2 and found my breadcrumbs and he seemed genuinely weirded out by me linking them together and wilgy hasnt done shit to defend him or work with him or push him. Maybe they picked up on my vibe early and decided to ride it to victory. I had a gut feeling n2 they were modsquad together but I dont care if they are they are not wolves in that event and wilgy shooting a wolf when wolves were down bad is kinda good for him. wolves wont kill them because then the other will be town leader and they cant kill me or it confirms it. but they are running out of time. I die tonight or wilgy. The fact that Nutella (No proof because you cant read it)/ Kate / Urist and Michelle have all called me towny af (Maybe Mac? I dont remember his last position on me) should be clearing for me to the point I am unchopable and you force the wolves to kill me.

But yeah. All of the above can be true. I am not locking them as anything. I am just going with thread vibe and that says Wilgy is town lock so I am just calling them town lock and defending sloonie from dumb pushes that ignore my pairing check when people say "Sloonie bad." but in the same breath say "Wilgy good"

sure the opposite is true but you get what I mean? Only you can protect your town reads

[Porscha]

Rondo I'm a convinceable individual and I'm not entirely sold on your alignment which I've mentioned, however choosing to omgus me instead of engaging me in other forms will not help me find you

[RondoDimBuckle]

I did other things but they ended up being useless / hitting dead people so I didnt really talk about them

Will you elaborate on what you did despite it being useless

oh. Nothing. That was soup cover, thanks for forcing me to say it out loud.

[Golden]

Kate had you as locktown and tbh even though I think you can fool a whole neighbourhood as wild I’m trusting her on that.

[RondoDimBuckle]

It also pushes away any collaborative thought.

This is how I was feeling in the moment too, but Porscha is right that if you catch up I feel like it shifts.

wait till they are in thread with me at the same time again

[Golden]

I did other things but they ended up being useless / hitting dead people so I didnt really talk about them

Will you elaborate on what you did despite it being useless

oh. Nothing. That was soup cover, thanks for forcing me to say it out loud.

I’d hope soup is done.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Ok so Enders role mechanically doesnt make sense to be mafia Golden because

1) its incredibly pro town

See, I'm not sure I agree with this. Assuming I remember correctly:

What we know is:

He gave a gun to scotty, scotty killed Dennis. PoE kill yes, but the whole PoE was town.

He specifically made sure Scotty knew where it came from/got a signpost that he could claim to down in the thread. Scotty got to use the gun

@Scotty

Did you notice anything happen last night at all?

He gave a gun to sig, sig killed Alison in a hero shot
He gave a gun to Wilgy, Wilgy killed Radishes in a PoE that was stacked with wolves
He gave a suicide vest to Michelle, killing Michelle and no one else in a PoE that was ??? re wolves.
He gave Porscha a non-kill power.

All in all, the outcome of Ender's ability has been pro town, but.

What we don't know is

Is Ender honest about not knowing what he's giving? (t!Ender is being honest. w!Ender is lying).
What Ender's role actually IS (especially given Ender's claim that he doesn't know what he's giving).

Let's imagine a world where Ender is wolf and knows exactly what he's giving, humour me.

1) First gun, he gives to someone who he trusts is likely to shoot into a PoE full of town. And Dennis dies, but Ender is able to begin a campaign for town cred with "hey Scotty, what did I give you?"
2) Second gun, he gives to someone who is known for his unpredictable play, and who could easily and did go for the hero shot. There's a world where that shot takes out Mac or me or something like that.
3) Third gun, he gives to someone else who is known for his unpredictable play, and who could easily go for the hero shot. Wilgy, instead, plays it safe.
4) So Ender goes instead for suicide vest, giving it to a townie who then dies wearing it.
5) And then he gives something that isn't kill power.

Also btw I guess the kills must be used the same night since the guns operated on nights one two and three, but (4) and (5) waited until the next day.

In a world where Ender is wolf, he can choose what he gives, and he's chosen to give guns to people he thinks will shoot town, maybe even towncore. It's a risk, but it's a very high percentage risk to take for town cred.

But as the numbers shift, the gifts become more conservative.

The ability could easily also be used to give a gun to a teammate (he didn't, and that's clean play as wolf or town, but there's inherently that ability involved) - enabling wolves to claim they are hero-shooting and shoot outside PoE without a tonne of risk to Ender himself.

I don't think the role is *inherently* pro town in the event Ender is wolf, particularly because I think in that scenario he knows more.

REEEEEEEEEEEEE how many times do I have to say MAC KILLED DENNIS

[Porscha]

I did other things but they ended up being useless / hitting dead people so I didnt really talk about them

Will you elaborate on what you did despite it being useless

oh. Nothing. That was soup cover, thanks for forcing me to say it out loud.

I'm of the opinion that sometimes push comes to shove

[RondoDimBuckle]

Kate had you as locktown and tbh even though I think you can fool a whole neighbourhood as wild I’m trusting her on that.

I appreciate the respect

[EnderWiggin]

@EnderWiggin hey I need to ask you something

Yeah?

[Golden]

Ok so Enders role mechanically doesnt make sense to be mafia Golden because

1) its incredibly pro town

See, I'm not sure I agree with this. Assuming I remember correctly:

What we know is:

He gave a gun to scotty, scotty killed Dennis. PoE kill yes, but the whole PoE was town.

He specifically made sure Scotty knew where it came from/got a signpost that he could claim to down in the thread. Scotty got to use the gun

@Scotty

Did you notice anything happen last night at all?

He gave a gun to sig, sig killed Alison in a hero shot
He gave a gun to Wilgy, Wilgy killed Radishes in a PoE that was stacked with wolves
He gave a suicide vest to Michelle, killing Michelle and no one else in a PoE that was ??? re wolves.
He gave Porscha a non-kill power.

All in all, the outcome of Ender's ability has been pro town, but.

What we don't know is

Is Ender honest about not knowing what he's giving? (t!Ender is being honest. w!Ender is lying).
What Ender's role actually IS (especially given Ender's claim that he doesn't know what he's giving).

Let's imagine a world where Ender is wolf and knows exactly what he's giving, humour me.

1) First gun, he gives to someone who he trusts is likely to shoot into a PoE full of town. And Dennis dies, but Ender is able to begin a campaign for town cred with "hey Scotty, what did I give you?"
2) Second gun, he gives to someone who is known for his unpredictable play, and who could easily and did go for the hero shot. There's a world where that shot takes out Mac or me or something like that.
3) Third gun, he gives to someone else who is known for his unpredictable play, and who could easily go for the hero shot. Wilgy, instead, plays it safe.
4) So Ender goes instead for suicide vest, giving it to a townie who then dies wearing it.
5) And then he gives something that isn't kill power.

Also btw I guess the kills must be used the same night since the guns operated on nights one two and three, but (4) and (5) waited until the next day.

In a world where Ender is wolf, he can choose what he gives, and he's chosen to give guns to people he thinks will shoot town, maybe even towncore. It's a risk, but it's a very high percentage risk to take for town cred.

But as the numbers shift, the gifts become more conservative.

The ability could easily also be used to give a gun to a teammate (he didn't, and that's clean play as wolf or town, but there's inherently that ability involved) - enabling wolves to claim they are hero-shooting and shoot outside PoE without a tonne of risk to Ender himself.

I don't think the role is *inherently* pro town in the event Ender is wolf, particularly because I think in that scenario he knows more.

REEEEEEEEEEEEE how many times do I have to say MAC KILLED DENNIS

Did you not just say it twice to the same post?

[Porscha]

I did other things but they ended up being useless / hitting dead people so I didnt really talk about them

Will you elaborate on what you did despite it being useless

oh. Nothing. That was soup cover, thanks for forcing me to say it out loud.

Did you have a n0 for your parity?

[Golden]

Hey @EnderWiggin

When deciding who yo give stuff each night, who else did you consider and why’d you decide against them?

[EnderWiggin]

Before I forget, @EnderWiggin how were you so confident wilgy was town by n1? And then I have a second question for you too

Snapread.

I often get good D1 townreads on people from vibing with their solving process. It very very rarely is wrong, but I'd be lying if I said it was perfect.

But that being said his further days + shooting MR makes me sure I'm right again on this one.