Game of Champions 2022 mafia win lol

[sig]

But no seriously it's always probably Rondo

Agreed.

It fits Allison attempt to deep wolf.

I’m thinking rondo, scotty, and two more As the mafia team.

Those two are big question marks for me but I think one is also deep wolfing

Do you have any incliniation as to how the last two would be or would it be complete shots in the dark?

(Also rn I feel like Scotty is just as likely to flip town and maf (as with most of my opinions do not take ths seriousyly i have read very little of the game))

112: LHF likely town

DrWilgy: town Lean based off limited posts should stop persecuting sig

Dyslexicon: no real read active in the thread with posting, but I can’t recall much content.

Endee: town lean for type of content and attempts to solve.

falcon45ca: Everton says he’s town cored so town core

Golden: towny but tin foiling him 20%

Guillotine: he isn’t very active but solid town read both in terms of my gut read, his Behavior, and early call out of Allison

hollowkatt: is he even playing?
Kate: she’s Goldened

Lilypetal: no read, I know Lucy was throwing some shade that way pre death which isn’t a good look potential mafia member.

Mac: I go back and forth here he was second in line for my shot. We’ve seen Mac deep wolf before and I think that could be what we’re seeing here, but I’m not sure given the more erratic nature of some of his posts.

Marmot: I always thought the ISO case was flimsy and I stick to that. + the attempted flash wagon makes them look good.

master radishes: No real read here either he’s semi active I’ve seen his posts but no real read.

Michelle: same as MR, but added note that her tone was really good early on, but that’s kinda faded

Neon: 100% town

Party Crasher: Likely 3P, but I’m more in the mafia hunting mood (maybe they killed LPP?)

Porscha: they’re active which is great, but again no real read from me

RondoDimBuckle: I like the cases on him and I think mafia attempted to save them. My pet theory is that they’re god father stylw role.

S~V~S: was a mafia read for awhile but the flip + her most recent posts have me pushing town. Granted Allison did deep wolf so she could be pushing a teammate SVS but that seems unlikely

Scotty: likely mafia cant remember why I OG said this, but I still stand by it + I think it was likely that was a mafia kill on IWAY

Sig (town cleared by me)

Sloonei: other tin foil mafia read

Urist: I like a lot of their posts and content so solid town

[Party Crasher]

ok if scotty isnt a natural dayvig, and he was given a gun i can see him being mafia now. on either team if more than 1

id still rather rondo first

[Marmot]

btw @MacDougall it sounds like mod squad was the singular role name for ilario specifically not his faction

Dennis dies and flips TOWN
ilario dies and flips MOD SQUAD, THIRD PARTY
Sabiplz dies and flips SOUP MAFIA

look at how they're worded

I actually gather the opposite conclusion.

I think "Mod Squad" implies there are more than one, and it looks like a faction name, just like the "Soup Mafia" and "Town".

[Scotty]

so mafia has had an extra kp on n1 that claimswapped with alison

alison is vanilla and she claimed the pyxxy kill

theres another mafia night kp who did the pyxxy kill and let alison claim for them

wonder if that can lead to something

I also considered this but as of right now I unsure of how to make that info useful

mech talk = fun talk

Can’t get to the head of the self-swallowing serpent without first deciding where the tail is!

[Party Crasher]

btw @MacDougall it sounds like mod squad was the singular role name for ilario specifically not his faction

Dennis dies and flips TOWN
ilario dies and flips MOD SQUAD, THIRD PARTY
Sabiplz dies and flips SOUP MAFIA

look at how they're worded

I actually gather the opposite conclusion.

I think "Mod Squad" implies there are more than one, and it looks like a faction name, just like the "Soup Mafia" and "Town".

maybe. if it was me and third party was an explanation for mod squad i would put third party in brackets so its more clear

[Scotty]

Actually fuck whoever said Scotty was town earlier.

Scotty wolf definitely.

Why Scotty wolf? I barely remember any feelings I've had thus far this game, but Scotty okay was one I do remember having from early game.

I don't like some of his takes and his position/interaction with other people who are scummy just feels off.

It's like 1:30am and I don't want to actually wagon 'im yet, so I'll leave that until tomorrow or something. Tomorrow as in D2.

These posts:

Spoiler: show

These jokey posts in particular stand out as toe-dipped-in the-pool energy

You randed wolf huh.

Cough cough next question

No I didn't

[VOTE: Dennis] aubergine

Why you picking on my kid?

@Dennis you're not bad are ya?

vote outted wolf Rondo nowwwww

this is so cute

@Marmot @pyxxy @lucy @Dennis @Kate @Cape90 @etc

Vite him

Rondo? Tempting, I like to vote rondo. I'll reread him.

Does she actually think Dennis is bad? Is she actually going to get anything out of her reread of Rondo’s ISO?

I do trust Golden’s meta read on Kate

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

However, I think both good and bad Golden would defend Kate here. Don’t know which it is yet

made me feel like I had a parrot on my shoulder since I had nearly the same thoughts pretty much in real time.

They did fluff a lot more early game than I thought, but meh, that's probably NAI. After this, they've gotten a lot quieter as the day has gone on, but I am fine with their takes. Can you please point out which ones you take offense to?

This honestly feels more like a TMI take than a teammate defense. Kinda weak but I like this for Scotty as town.

Your spider sense is better than mine because if I didn’t know I was town, I’d label that as compatible team defending

[sig]

I had Alison as lock clear in my solving notes based on her treatment of Seanzie and am stunned to see they were teammates because I only had her plausible mafia with a Rondo team that Seanzie is not on. I don't understand why she played the way she did and it implies at least somewhat that their team preferred Seanzie to die over Rondo. Which baffles me because it definitely didn't seem like Rondo really wanted Seanzie to die and Seanzie seemed to want Rondo to die. So ultimately I can only chalk it up to Alison was simply hard townsiding to go deep. If a town killed Alison I would consider it one of the best vig shots I've ever seen.

Idk she didnt seem that townie lol but I agree she was playing to go deep

Let me be clear, I obviously didn't think she was towny because I exercised doubt on her at multiple points in day 2 and even went all ree at her for misrepresenting my case on Rondo (do y'all remember that, it was a whole thing that pissed Golden off etc.).

I just thought she was insanely clear from Seanzie specifically to the degree that made me drop all of my suspicion. It wasn't just that she voted him, it was that she did so in such a casual way that I felt like she had zero agenda. And he was wolf KP to boot, and he tried to survive and kill Rondo who I had already determined Alison would be mafia with.

Now that Alison is mafia, let's talk about why she went to great lengths to mischaracterise the nature of the Rondo/Mac interactions to benefit Rondo and why a mafia Alison would do that for a non teammate?

I think Rondo is the Godfather or they do have a Soup kill and it’s him that’s the only two role that makes sense to protect over a kp

Deep wolfing only needs to go so far and she was a solid town read by most people. Baring my shot she’d have likely been sailing away even with leaving Sean alive.

[Golden]

I have toneread scotty all game. Dunno if that’s worth anything.

[Sloonei]

I want Scotty to be town.

[EnderWiggin]

The shot from scotty was from the gun I gave him.

THE PLOT THICKENS

And here I thought it was the worst kept secret of last day phase.

[Golden]

I want Scotty to be town.

Maybe this is me too lol

[RondoDimBuckle]

Sig, the townie who shoots his townreads y'all.

Are you bothering to read my posts?

Follow up have you ever played with me before?

Yes sig. But your explanation is "I shot Alison because I knew the towncore was infiltrated and chose her over others because she town read me".

1. We just killed a mafia. Why does your immediate reaction become "TOWNCORE MUST BE BOGUS".
2. The latter explanation is incomprehensible to me.

"The Mod Squad" could also be a small team that works against the town without performing a regular factional kill. We do not know what ilario's role actually did. I would not consider that a mafia team, and thus would not consider this multiball. But that's getting into pointless semantics.

could mac be mod squad with that logic?

[Scotty]

Also like Neon is effectively leashed. They can't kill anyone too towny without hard outing themselves as not being town.

she killed creature instead of rondo which sketched me out so ill keep it in the back of my head to not fully trust her for later

Yep. That’s a sussy kill if town

[MacDougall]

But no seriously it's always probably Rondo

Agreed.

It fits Allison attempt to deep wolf.

I’m thinking rondo, scotty, and two more As the mafia team.

Those two are big question marks for me but I think one is also deep wolfing

Do you have any incliniation as to how the last two would be or would it be complete shots in the dark?

(Also rn I feel like Scotty is just as likely to flip town and maf (as with most of my opinions do not take ths seriousyly i have read very little of the game))

112: LHF likely town

DrWilgy: town Lean based off limited posts should stop persecuting sig

Dyslexicon: no real read active in the thread with posting, but I can’t recall much content.

Endee: town lean for type of content and attempts to solve.

falcon45ca: Everton says he’s town cored so town core

Golden: towny but tin foiling him 20%

Guillotine: he isn’t very active but solid town read both in terms of my gut read, his Behavior, and early call out of Allison

hollowkatt: is he even playing?
Kate: she’s Goldened

Lilypetal: no read, I know Lucy was throwing some shade that way pre death which isn’t a good look potential mafia member.

Mac: I go back and forth here he was second in line for my shot. We’ve seen Mac deep wolf before and I think that could be what we’re seeing here, but I’m not sure given the more erratic nature of some of his posts.

Marmot: I always thought the ISO case was flimsy and I stick to that. + the attempted flash wagon makes them look good.

master radishes: No real read here either he’s semi active I’ve seen his posts but no real read.

Michelle: same as MR, but added note that her tone was really good early on, but that’s kinda faded

Neon: 100% town

Party Crasher: Likely 3P, but I’m more in the mafia hunting mood (maybe they killed LPP?)

Porscha: they’re active which is great, but again no real read from me

RondoDimBuckle: I like the cases on him and I think mafia attempted to save them. My pet theory is that they’re god father stylw role.

S~V~S: was a mafia read for awhile but the flip + her most recent posts have me pushing town. Granted Allison did deep wolf so she could be pushing a teammate SVS but that seems unlikely

Scotty: likely mafia cant remember why I OG said this, but I still stand by it + I think it was likely that was a mafia kill on IWAY

Sig (town cleared by me)

Sloonei: other tin foil mafia read

Urist: I like a lot of their posts and content so solid town

Do you think I can be mafia with Rondo, Alison, Seanzie and Sabi. Really?

[MacDougall]

Cuz if that's up for debate I will take the time to create a post so obviously clearing for me so y'all can stop lol.

[Scotty]

Also like Neon is effectively leashed. They can't kill anyone too towny without hard outing themselves as not being town.

she killed creature instead of rondo which sketched me out so ill keep it in the back of my head to not fully trust her for later

That's fine.

Anyone not familiar with Creature I can absolutely see wolfreading that EOD.

I know me and many others who know Creature would townread with Seanzie's flip.

BUT

That wasn't clearly said in thread.

So like, Neon has every right to be unfamiliar with our resident doom n gloomer

I’m also in a quandary with neon’s role mechanic. She can kill 2 people at night but only fulfilled a condition to kill 1 last night?

I dunno, that sounds like a 3p ability at its core

[EnderWiggin]

Also like Neon is effectively leashed. They can't kill anyone too towny without hard outing themselves as not being town.

she killed creature instead of rondo which sketched me out so ill keep it in the back of my head to not fully trust her for later

That's fine.

Anyone not familiar with Creature I can absolutely see wolfreading that EOD.

I know me and many others who know Creature would townread with Seanzie's flip.

BUT

That wasn't clearly said in thread.

So like, Neon has every right to be unfamiliar with our resident doom n gloomer

I’m also in a quandary with neon’s role mechanic. She can kill 2 people at night but only fulfilled a condition to kill 1 last night?

I dunno, that sounds like a 3p ability at its core

Would be a pity if I don't give a shit if Neon is 3p SK right now, wouldn't it.

[Scotty]

I think Scotty and Party Crasher have strong soup mafia team equity. Marmot is never mafia with them or the Seanzie faction because they tried to cfd him to save mafia KP. I felt like Dyslexicon was also participatory but less egregiously. Radishes felt like a derping town during that attempted cfd.

Meh. I just wanted to get 3 of us on you at end of day. But I was also more suspicious of rondo/marmot over Seanzie.

Rondo didn’t respond, Marmot didn’t want to jump in the deep side of the pool. Marmot ended up voting Seanzie in excess which led me to believe Seanzie was town in the last 5 min. Twas quite wrong

[Scotty]

I think there is actually a distinctive possibility Ender is mafia and Rondo is town now that I am solving in multiball. Because it means he can be mafia with a genuine wolfread on Rondo which undermines the reasoning Rondo has to have him lock town to begin with and would explain why Rondo is townreading him for having genuine sus that doesn't make sense for a wolf.

Until proven, I still see no evidence of multiball.

I still think rondo is lost wolf,

[MacDougall]

There's a certain calmness to his presence in this thread in the few moments we've crossed paths. Like there is nothing premeditated about any of the things he says or does, and he is just existing naturally in the game. I don't actually recall many reads he has given, but his posture feels authentic.

This is a tone read then basically?

My take on Scotty is that he has done fuck all this game and IAWY scumread him. I don't hold the IAWY shot against him, I would have done it too if I had a dayvig, but I do think that IAWY has decent reads in general and is particularly likely to have good reads because he is a member of the POE (POE members tend to have better reads because they have a green check on themselves and so have slightly better perspective than everyone else in the thread). I am not to-the-death convinced that Scotty is scum, but I don't see what you do in his tone and his actual solving has been kinda nonexistent. This is enough to put him in the POE - coupled with IAWY's conviction that he's mafia, I'm happy to vote him out.

I vibe deeply with Sloonei's read on Scotty btw. I also think the way he just popped Iawy no scope was very towny. Why would a wolf with KP (silent day KP) shoot a town in the POE instead of a strong town?

It's not silent, he said the killing curse from Harry Potter and pinged Nanook when he did it. If he is mafia with day KP he has to shoot someone who is town but doesn't out him on the spot.

Dare I retract my scumread on Scotty on the power of Alison's desire to kill him?

[MacDougall]

alison alive coz shes mafia

-tutuu

Honestly probably just clearing for PC.

@Golden given our POE yesterday ended up netting a wolf, shouldn't we just like, keep using it?

[Scotty]

Mac, wtf is your solving today.

We’re playing checkers.

Mac is playing Warhammer 40k

[MacDougall]

I think there is actually a distinctive possibility Ender is mafia and Rondo is town now that I am solving in multiball. Because it means he can be mafia with a genuine wolfread on Rondo which undermines the reasoning Rondo has to have him lock town to begin with and would explain why Rondo is townreading him for having genuine sus that doesn't make sense for a wolf.

Until proven, I still see no evidence of multiball.

I still think rondo is lost wolf,

Stop communicating with past Mac. He is dead.

[Scotty]

I think Scotty and Party Crasher have strong soup mafia team equity. Marmot is never mafia with them or the Seanzie faction because they tried to cfd him to save mafia KP. I felt like Dyslexicon was also participatory but less egregiously. Radishes felt like a derping town during that attempted cfd.

I honestly think PC caused enough confusion from flipped Soup members already that I would be awed if that was all theatre.

PC has "is Tutuu" going for them to explain their behaviour so there's that. Scotty is a Seanzie teammate I am near certain of that.

ruh roh. Now you’re near certain.

Would hate to see what certain mac looks like here

[MacDougall]

You know Alison was pretty vociferous in her defense of Guillo too.

[RondoDimBuckle]

*deletes the notes I made after deciding it was multiball*

Okay here's my pre multiball solve notes.

I am going to pretend like I made Rondo a viable counterwagon to bait the mafia to vote him to save Seanzie cuz it seems fun
Falcon - Town
Rondo - not town lol
Golden and Kate not town
SVS town
Nutella town
Dyslexicon probably town
Alison town
Creature null leaning bad town
if Creature comes out pushing me day 3 I am going to have no qualms destroying him
I kinda felt Radishes had no wolf agenda
Marmot working on analysing my Rondo case and not worrying about the Seanzie wagon is good look for him in Rondo t Seanzie w world
possibly even in Rondo w Seanzie w world
probably just a good look
Scotty baaad
Golden flopping to Seanzie after trying to fight his wagon for so long feels opportunistic, I just cannot trust this man
but yeah Scotty trying to get all the non Seanzie POE to vote me is okay looks, except for that it kinda feels like a wolf relenting that Seanzie was going down and trying to get some town killed as part of it
Creature "are those wagons all just town", I am unsure how this is every something a town says contextually ... it's just so anti-town
Seanzie "appears" to have an agenda to survive and tried to get Rondo over... points for Rondo. I don't think it's anti spew, because he was genuinely wolf KP so he probably really did want to live, and if mafia wanted Rondo to go down Rondo was not participating.
Rondo was kind of a passively important character in Seanzie dying, that's also good for him.
Also I think he had townie entitlement.
Marmot not very generous towards Seanzie at all, good look for Marmot.
Scotty votes me, there are two voters on me, he and SVS, he tries to get Marmot to join. I am voting Marmot.
He's trying to get Marmot killed I think.
Seanzie directly appeals to Creature to vote Rondo. Great look for Creature.
Seanzie is not trying to get non Rondo people over, he is trying to get Rondo over.
Marmot refuses to vote me, Rondo now floating Marmot as a candy date.
Hmmm Marmot being not present, coming back, dismissing the Rondo case and becoming a strong proponent of the Seanzie case is a thing that on the surface looks good but could very easily be TMI and an attempt to bus.
Not sure about Marmot.
Sloonei can be mafia here, but he's not making himself very readable or making any effort to help the town in this game.
Dyslexicon suddenly trying to float to Marmot with Rondo is weird.
Scotty, Creature all starting to become antagonistic towards Marmot.
Marmot is probably just town and at least one of these is not. Not a unified effort but at least one.
Party Crasher coming in screaming about Marmot being mafia is absolutely egregious.
Golden peddling the idea that they're an NPC. I think Scotty was also promoting this.
Yeah fuck.
Scotty swinging haymakers at anyone not named Seanzie while Seanzie is getting murdered. Dude is fucking mafia lol.
God Creature is annoying lol.
Dyslexicon falling for this last minute Marmot c/w is so bad lol.
Radishes timing for his vote is not wolfy, the wolves had already abandoned it by then imo.
Final VC =
Seanzie 10 - Marmot t, falcon t, nutella t, neon t, Party Crasher w, Alison t, Dyslexicon lw, Lilypetal t, Porscha t, Kate lw
Rondo 6 - Urist t, Sloonei lw, Creature t, Ender t, 112 ?, Seanzie w
Marmot 4 - Mac t, Radishes t, Rondo t, Scotty w
SVS - sig lw, Golden lw
Scotty - Hollowkatt lw, Michelle lt
Golden - Guillo ?
Mac - SVS t
sig - DrWilgy t

Top tier of town

Falcon
Nutella
Neon
Alison
Lilypetal
Porscha
SVS - SVS does not come off like someone with any wolf agenda considering she was a counterwagon with a horrendous looking wagon comp, to wolf KP and Rondo who can still be a wolf.

Probably town

Marmot - I think there were wolves trying to push Marmot at EOD, I would be stunned if that was a pure cfd attempt.
Urist - I think Golden is mafia and that makes Urist never one. I think Urist voting Rondo is the least egregious of the Rondo votes.
Creature - Creature feels like town Creature with his endless bad takes and lack of TMI. He was kind of obvious town at EOD, but my gosh.
Ender - I still think Ender's persistance on Rondo and his play generally has been quite townie. Given his position on Rondo, it also would have been easy for him to get active and try harder to push over Rondo over Seanzie, and he did not do that. So he lacks partner equity with Seanzie.
Radishes - I feel like Radishes had no wolf agenda during the EOD. He didn't really vote in a way that had any strong benefit to the wolves, only to make himself look bad on a surface level if he is one. He feels just like a hapless townie trying to piece it all together. He also didn't really buy into my case on Rondo from a direct plea, which if Rondo is town and he is teammates with Seanzie he should have.

Aside: Now I am wondering why the wolves didn't just all find my Rondo case incredible and by right into it to get Rondo over Seanzie? That ... is strange honestly. I gave them all a remarkable opportunity to save the guy with the KP and they didn't really take it, and honestly the Rondo wagon is not that scummy in the end. Perhaps cause to consider Rondo might still be a wolf. Seanzie and Rondo themselves feel unpaired to each other though.
Rondo - Well ... he was the primary counterwagon to flipped wolf KP, but he did refuse to vote Seanzie, all the things that made him wolfy remain there. So the read is not confident. He can still be mafia.
Michelle - She hasn't really had much wolf agenda but also ... hasn't really, been that town tbh. She did sheep me a lot during the day including large stretches on Seanzie.
Not voting with me in the end and voting Scotty who I never voted is ... bizarre, but also Scotty is sus so.
DrWilgy - He's kind of still just there. A lot rides on sig's alignment I guess. Maybe he should be more pure null. Probably should check him for Seanzie/Sabi interactions.
Upper Tier of POE

Dyslexicon
Sloonei
Sig
Hollowkatt

Lower Tier of POE

Scotty
Golden
Kate
Party Crasher
So I am going to ISO these 7 and see if any of them are just obv clear from Seanzie Sabi
HK - Called Seanzie wolf during RVS but outside that there's no reason he can't be with either of them on his side of the ISO.

Scotty is like, dead to rights mafia imo.
He was absolutely actively trying to create momentum away from Seanzie's flip. He did some basic distancing when the votes were close but it was baseless and lasted not long and when the whips were cracking was pushing anyone not named Seanzie.
Nothing unpartnered to Sabi there.
God Alison is actually goating. I hope they don't kill her.
Kate is fucken bleh. Just like a level 1 wolf in every world.
Which obviously ends up equating to Golden being outed mafia, SVS being town.
I need not really analyse Golden but yeah he's not town.
Party Crasher being Tutuu means there's always a chance she's town, but like...
fits hand in glove.
Scotty
Golden
Kate
Party Crasher

All need death.

eh fuck it i'll do due dilligence on Golden's ISO
Good look for Golden
hmmm wolves prodding Golden hard on his Kate read is undermining my conviction lol
yeah nah fuck it Golden isn't a wolf with Seanzie and probably neither is Kate
i remain unconvinced they aren't part of a different faction
hmmm yes I am now convinced we are playing multiball actually
cuz the mafia players actually have real reads
Rondo and Seanzie are wolves of differing aligments
hmmm
Nutella can be non Seanzie/Sabi team wolf here.
yeah I'm operating in multiball mindset now which changes a lot
*clip*

You delete the notes after you decided its a multiball and yet I am still wolf? How am I ever wolves with Alison or Seanzie? I called them out as off D1. Have you considered that Ender is just wrong? MR is probably not wolf I agree or at least not on the same team as Alison and Seanzie. 100%

Also the reason why wolves wouldnt push me to save Seanzie is because I am a prickly push. I will murder you if you push me wrong. Mac you think you have caught me, Mafia know you havent. They dont want to look bad after I flip. They want to leave that to you (In the world you are town)

But the fact you keep pushing super technical lines makes me think you are more and more likely MOD SQUAD.

[MacDougall]

I think Scotty and Party Crasher have strong soup mafia team equity. Marmot is never mafia with them or the Seanzie faction because they tried to cfd him to save mafia KP. I felt like Dyslexicon was also participatory but less egregiously. Radishes felt like a derping town during that attempted cfd.

I honestly think PC caused enough confusion from flipped Soup members already that I would be awed if that was all theatre.

PC has "is Tutuu" going for them to explain their behaviour so there's that. Scotty is a Seanzie teammate I am near certain of that.

ruh roh. Now you’re near certain.

Would hate to see what certain mac looks like here

Please stop communicating with past Mac. He's dead.

[sig]

But no seriously it's always probably Rondo

Agreed.

It fits Allison attempt to deep wolf.

I’m thinking rondo, scotty, and two more As the mafia team.

Those two are big question marks for me but I think one is also deep wolfing

Do you have any incliniation as to how the last two would be or would it be complete shots in the dark?

(Also rn I feel like Scotty is just as likely to flip town and maf (as with most of my opinions do not take ths seriousyly i have read very little of the game))

112: LHF likely town

DrWilgy: town Lean based off limited posts should stop persecuting sig

Dyslexicon: no real read active in the thread with posting, but I can’t recall much content.

Endee: town lean for type of content and attempts to solve.

falcon45ca: Everton says he’s town cored so town core

Golden: towny but tin foiling him 20%

Guillotine: he isn’t very active but solid town read both in terms of my gut read, his Behavior, and early call out of Allison

hollowkatt: is he even playing?
Kate: she’s Goldened

Lilypetal: no read, I know Lucy was throwing some shade that way pre death which isn’t a good look potential mafia member.

Mac: I go back and forth here he was second in line for my shot. We’ve seen Mac deep wolf before and I think that could be what we’re seeing here, but I’m not sure given the more erratic nature of some of his posts.

Marmot: I always thought the ISO case was flimsy and I stick to that. + the attempted flash wagon makes them look good.

master radishes: No real read here either he’s semi active I’ve seen his posts but no real read.

Michelle: same as MR, but added note that her tone was really good early on, but that’s kinda faded

Neon: 100% town

Party Crasher: Likely 3P, but I’m more in the mafia hunting mood (maybe they killed LPP?)

Porscha: they’re active which is great, but again no real read from me

RondoDimBuckle: I like the cases on him and I think mafia attempted to save them. My pet theory is that they’re god father stylw role.

S~V~S: was a mafia read for awhile but the flip + her most recent posts have me pushing town. Granted Allison did deep wolf so she could be pushing a teammate SVS but that seems unlikely

Scotty: likely mafia cant remember why I OG said this, but I still stand by it + I think it was likely that was a mafia kill on IWAY

Sig (town cleared by me)

Sloonei: other tin foil mafia read

Urist: I like a lot of their posts and content so solid town

Do you think I can be mafia with Rondo, Alison, Seanzie and Sabi. Really?

In a world where you and Allison decided pre game/early game to deep wolf yes. I think your semi erratic behavior also makes more sense as mac mafia part the time especially paired with your Desire to suddenly hunt non mafia/look for another team.

I’m out of shots though so you’re safe from me

[MacDougall]

@Golden was it not you who said that Alison got Guillo out of the POE, several times?

Makes ya think.

[MacDougall]

Possibility that Golden, Alison, Mac contains a wolf? Of course.

Probability? Well from my perspective no it's not probable. And because it's not probable it's not something I think should be being remonstrated in the thread where other players less immersed in the game are forced to swim through where more productive content could instead be placed.

And even if it were probable, unless you think that the net result of the day 2 chop is improved by highlighting this fact over and over, it's probably better to keep it as an idea and actually force the wolf/s between us to kill a weaker teammate via the POE play that we've committed ourselves to, because the alternative is probably just a quite random end of day where the wolves just easily manipulate the wagon onto the scummiest townie.

Score 1 for this theory working in actuality!

[Scotty]

I think that Golden and Kate are wolves on the other mafia team btw.

not implausible. alison wanted golden dead all game (im unsure if she changed her read). if so, sig would be with them and he shot her

I absolutely think town sig literally never shoots Alison and anyone who believes that is seriously misleading people.

this ties it up neatly

kate, golden, neon, sig - non-soup mafia. they both have 2 vigs (neon and sig)

soup mafia has: sabi, seanzie, alison, +1. 2 vigs (seanzie and the last unknown one, that alison covered for)

in this case they would be two identical teams, maybe even the same roles

Screw the tinfoil hats, this is a full tinfoil suit

I don’t hate it.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Which one of y'all gave me a gun? Who's fault is this?

not sloonie

[sig]

alison alive coz shes mafia

-tutuu

Honestly probably just clearing for PC.

@Golden given our POE yesterday ended up netting a wolf, shouldn't we just like, keep using it?

Okay, but why would this clear them from being third party or second team?

This is why I keep hesitating on you since you ignore the possibility of other than civ unless you’ve got a personal negative read on someone and that’s the only way to fit your thoughts with the obvious fact they can’t be mafia.

By the logic of multi ball/dangerous third party nobody is town a clear yet you’re handing out spew clears left and right?

Am I missing something here or what

[MacDougall]

But no seriously it's always probably Rondo

Agreed.

It fits Allison attempt to deep wolf.

I’m thinking rondo, scotty, and two more As the mafia team.

Those two are big question marks for me but I think one is also deep wolfing

Do you have any incliniation as to how the last two would be or would it be complete shots in the dark?

(Also rn I feel like Scotty is just as likely to flip town and maf (as with most of my opinions do not take ths seriousyly i have read very little of the game))

112: LHF likely town

DrWilgy: town Lean based off limited posts should stop persecuting sig

Dyslexicon: no real read active in the thread with posting, but I can’t recall much content.

Endee: town lean for type of content and attempts to solve.

falcon45ca: Everton says he’s town cored so town core

Golden: towny but tin foiling him 20%

Guillotine: he isn’t very active but solid town read both in terms of my gut read, his Behavior, and early call out of Allison

hollowkatt: is he even playing?
Kate: she’s Goldened

Lilypetal: no read, I know Lucy was throwing some shade that way pre death which isn’t a good look potential mafia member.

Mac: I go back and forth here he was second in line for my shot. We’ve seen Mac deep wolf before and I think that could be what we’re seeing here, but I’m not sure given the more erratic nature of some of his posts.

Marmot: I always thought the ISO case was flimsy and I stick to that. + the attempted flash wagon makes them look good.

master radishes: No real read here either he’s semi active I’ve seen his posts but no real read.

Michelle: same as MR, but added note that her tone was really good early on, but that’s kinda faded

Neon: 100% town

Party Crasher: Likely 3P, but I’m more in the mafia hunting mood (maybe they killed LPP?)

Porscha: they’re active which is great, but again no real read from me

RondoDimBuckle: I like the cases on him and I think mafia attempted to save them. My pet theory is that they’re god father stylw role.

S~V~S: was a mafia read for awhile but the flip + her most recent posts have me pushing town. Granted Allison did deep wolf so she could be pushing a teammate SVS but that seems unlikely

Scotty: likely mafia cant remember why I OG said this, but I still stand by it + I think it was likely that was a mafia kill on IWAY

Sig (town cleared by me)

Sloonei: other tin foil mafia read

Urist: I like a lot of their posts and content so solid town

Do you think I can be mafia with Rondo, Alison, Seanzie and Sabi. Really?

In a world where you and Allison decided pre game/early game to deep wolf yes. I think your semi erratic behavior also makes more sense as mac mafia part the time especially paired with your Desire to suddenly hunt non mafia/look for another team.

I’m out of shots though so you’re safe from me

I am best town 2022 not best mafia. I'm washed as the mafia alignment. I can't do this.

[MacDougall]

alison alive coz shes mafia

-tutuu

Honestly probably just clearing for PC.

@Golden given our POE yesterday ended up netting a wolf, shouldn't we just like, keep using it?

Okay, but why would this clear them from being third party or second team?

This is why I keep hesitating on you since you ignore the possibility of other than civ unless you’ve got a personal negative read on someone and that’s the only way to fit your thoughts with the obvious fact they can’t be mafia.

By the logic of multi ball/dangerous third party nobody is town a clear yet you’re handing out spew clears left and right?

Am I missing something here or what

I have stopped solving in multiball worlds. SVS pointed out there is pseudo mod confirmation of one mafia team in the OP.

[Scotty]

last unknown one is obviously Scotty btw.

Obviously

[sig]

But no seriously it's always probably Rondo

Agreed.

It fits Allison attempt to deep wolf.

I’m thinking rondo, scotty, and two more As the mafia team.

Those two are big question marks for me but I think one is also deep wolfing

Do you have any incliniation as to how the last two would be or would it be complete shots in the dark?

(Also rn I feel like Scotty is just as likely to flip town and maf (as with most of my opinions do not take ths seriousyly i have read very little of the game))

112: LHF likely town

DrWilgy: town Lean based off limited posts should stop persecuting sig

Dyslexicon: no real read active in the thread with posting, but I can’t recall much content.

Endee: town lean for type of content and attempts to solve.

falcon45ca: Everton says he’s town cored so town core

Golden: towny but tin foiling him 20%

Guillotine: he isn’t very active but solid town read both in terms of my gut read, his Behavior, and early call out of Allison

hollowkatt: is he even playing?
Kate: she’s Goldened

Lilypetal: no read, I know Lucy was throwing some shade that way pre death which isn’t a good look potential mafia member.

Mac: I go back and forth here he was second in line for my shot. We’ve seen Mac deep wolf before and I think that could be what we’re seeing here, but I’m not sure given the more erratic nature of some of his posts.

Marmot: I always thought the ISO case was flimsy and I stick to that. + the attempted flash wagon makes them look good.

master radishes: No real read here either he’s semi active I’ve seen his posts but no real read.

Michelle: same as MR, but added note that her tone was really good early on, but that’s kinda faded

Neon: 100% town

Party Crasher: Likely 3P, but I’m more in the mafia hunting mood (maybe they killed LPP?)

Porscha: they’re active which is great, but again no real read from me

RondoDimBuckle: I like the cases on him and I think mafia attempted to save them. My pet theory is that they’re god father stylw role.

S~V~S: was a mafia read for awhile but the flip + her most recent posts have me pushing town. Granted Allison did deep wolf so she could be pushing a teammate SVS but that seems unlikely

Scotty: likely mafia cant remember why I OG said this, but I still stand by it + I think it was likely that was a mafia kill on IWAY

Sig (town cleared by me)

Sloonei: other tin foil mafia read

Urist: I like a lot of their posts and content so solid town

Do you think I can be mafia with Rondo, Alison, Seanzie and Sabi. Really?

In a world where you and Allison decided pre game/early game to deep wolf yes. I think your semi erratic behavior also makes more sense as mac mafia part the time especially paired with your Desire to suddenly hunt non mafia/look for another team.

I’m out of shots though so you’re safe from me

I am best town 2022 not best mafia. I'm washed as the mafia alignment. I can't do this.

I don’t value MU awards unfortunately

[sig]

alison alive coz shes mafia

-tutuu

Honestly probably just clearing for PC.

@Golden given our POE yesterday ended up netting a wolf, shouldn't we just like, keep using it?

Okay, but why would this clear them from being third party or second team?

This is why I keep hesitating on you since you ignore the possibility of other than civ unless you’ve got a personal negative read on someone and that’s the only way to fit your thoughts with the obvious fact they can’t be mafia.

By the logic of multi ball/dangerous third party nobody is town a clear yet you’re handing out spew clears left and right?

Am I missing something here or what

I have stopped solving in multiball worlds. SVS pointed out there is pseudo mod confirmation of one mafia team in the OP.

Okay so why wouldn’t PC be on the third party team?

[MacDougall]

I want everyone to talk about Seanzie, go

He has a wonderful beard.

Idk, I kind of think he's town. I've been right on him in about every game we've played, but I also have never actually played a game where he was mafia. I don't think him being off-beat is wolfy for him.

My expectation is that by now Town Seanzie would have 1 to 2 pet wolfreads he's aggressively pursuing while nobody pays attention which actively discourages him from playing democratically. I don't think Seanzie is trying to solve the game or using his full town process in this game and that makes him lean wolf. Not lock wolf cuz he might just not give a fuck, but I can't townread him for it.

I actually read the push on nutella as being his pet wolfread.

In which Alison tried to appeal to me to stop pushing Seanzie.

[sig]

alison alive coz shes mafia

-tutuu

Honestly probably just clearing for PC.

@Golden given our POE yesterday ended up netting a wolf, shouldn't we just like, keep using it?

Okay, but why would this clear them from being third party or second team?

This is why I keep hesitating on you since you ignore the possibility of other than civ unless you’ve got a personal negative read on someone and that’s the only way to fit your thoughts with the obvious fact they can’t be mafia.

By the logic of multi ball/dangerous third party nobody is town a clear yet you’re handing out spew clears left and right?

Am I missing something here or what

I have stopped solving in multiball worlds. SVS pointed out there is pseudo mod confirmation of one mafia team in the OP.

Okay so why wouldn’t PC be on the third party team?

Assuming one exists which for arguments sake let’s say there is

[MacDougall]

Seanzie is just not being townie at all and I like those who are voting him with me. I also like that several counterwagons are ebbing and flowing around his wagon and its not taking off like Marmot's did earlier.

Mac, waxing lyrical on his teammate Seanzie.

[MacDougall]

@MacDougall You were the one who originally said you thought HK was town and wanted to take him out of the POE, right? What did you see in him?

he told someone to fuck off

Is that really a towntell for him?

Honestly it kind of has been fairly reliable but I don't think it's enough for this particular game and it's use by date has expired.

Alison, spewing Hollowkatt town while attempting to undermine my townread on him.

[Scotty]

last unknown one is obviously Scotty btw.

the unkown one killed pyxxy during the night

scotty killed iawy during the day

i suppose its not impossible for a role to be both day and night vig but im unsure. not rly experienced with nook game design

Someone has the ability to give guns. Whether or not that is a multi use ability is to be seen.

If it is multi use, I would expect someone got another silent shot to use today.

[MacDougall]

Why does mafia Rondo get into a slapfight with Mac and put himself at risk instead of just chilling and letting us vote out SVS or Seanzie or whoever?

This is a disingenuous appraisal of what occurred. I was independently solving and stumbled into a convincing argument and aggressively attacked him. He happened to be here and had no choice in the matter of participation. It's like you didn't even read the nature of the back and forth.

Mac, getting extremely angry at Alison about misrepresenting my Rondo case in a way that is transparently obviously not staged.

[Scotty]

i learned there was a 2nd mafia team just now

Do you have a reason for this statement or are you just taking Mac/PC solving as fact?

Because if you have actual reason for a 2nd mafia team that 100% changes things.

well it makes sense? why would the wolves have [soup] mafia next to their name unless there was 2 teams

and mac's solving seems legit and makes sense

The conjecture was that they are the main mafia team, and the LOST mafia team is something else.

Like..,what if the lost team is…carrots, or some other ingredient? That would be pretty meme-y and thematic

[MacDougall]

If Sean is mafia KP I think we turbo Rondo

Timing of his big attention grabbing slapfight that tried to bait Mac into voting him when Seanzie was in danger would be much too suspicious

This is an out and out misrepresentation of what occurred. What in the hell?

This is clearing for Rondo (and Mac).

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Also like Neon is effectively leashed. They can't kill anyone too towny without hard outing themselves as not being town.

she killed creature instead of rondo which sketched me out so ill keep it in the back of my head to not fully trust her for later

That's fine.

Anyone not familiar with Creature I can absolutely see wolfreading that EOD.

I know me and many others who know Creature would townread with Seanzie's flip.

BUT

That wasn't clearly said in thread.

So like, Neon has every right to be unfamiliar with our resident doom n gloomer

I’m also in a quandary with neon’s role mechanic. She can kill 2 people at night but only fulfilled a condition to kill 1 last night?

I dunno, that sounds like a 3p ability at its core

Would be a pity if I don't give a shit if Neon is 3p SK right now, wouldn't it.

But what if I'm town with no gun license

*waves fun around wildly*

*accidentally shoots at the ceiling*

[MacDougall]

Alison characterising my burial of Rondo and his floundering defense as a 1v1 slapfight in which Rondo attempted to bait my vote is utterly egregious and she is now in my scumreads.

Golden attempting to undermine it as even being the main counterwagon is less egregious but equally infuriating and still suspicious.

Kate globbing onto Alison's baseless defense of Rondo predicated on falsehoods is egregious and Kate is also the recipient of a 2 day hall pass granted by Golden she does not deserve.

The wolf dynamic inside of these 3 is off the charts right now. I don't even care about Alison pushing Kate because the way Kate shielded Rondo off the back of Alison doing the same was so scummy it would be a compulsive reaction by Alison to do it.

And Golden failing to comment on it is a bad look too.

Hate all 3 of you. Give me my ball back I'm going home.

Gosh I am so very insincere in my displeasure of Alison here.

[MacDougall]

Oh lol I just realized Scotty and Kate are on the SVS wagon.

Not voting with those two if I can help it. Seanzie it is.

It was posts like this that I read and thought "Alison cannot be mafia with Seanzie." This was when she voted him, and she never moved it away.

[MacDougall]

@RondoDimBuckle ask me to explain myself in terms of the specific things I've done that you take issue with please.