Game of Champions 2022 mafia win lol

[Alison]

Why does mafia Rondo get into a slapfight with Mac and put himself at risk instead of just chilling and letting us vote out SVS or Seanzie or whoever?

Because Sean is mafia kp

Possible. And in that situation I don't think we can effectively leash his shot. We can say "shoot SVS or you're an outed mafia", and he'll just shrug, shoot Mac or myself, and be outed, not like it changes his situation.

Also you and Mac were kinda right that the Seanzie wagon comp is so much purer than SVS'.

Ok, ignore what I said a post ago, I think Seanzie might be correct now.

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

[Dyslexicon]

She said vanilla WITH AN ABILITY. That's not what I said. The second part of her claim reminded me of that specific game that I literally just explained.

I know that is not what you said, and that is exactly my worry. In fact, you said you hated having no abilities.

[Golden]

But I also liked mac's wagon analysis that suggests she could be an easy wrong push here so idk

Mac's wagon analysis inherently makes assumptions that I don't think are great ones. There might not be high trust in the people on the SVS wagon but, besides Alison, they are all people who know SVS relatively well and who are good townies when town.

From my perspective that wasn't influential, I think Mac is just not vibing that SVS feels 'caught' but imo if SVS feels 'caught' she's town.

I am paranoid about my own SVS read here because she is sneaky good and I don't wanna be wrong but... I'm feeling good about my vote being there.

[nutella]

[VOTE: seanzie] aubergine

[Kate]

Kate has done absolutely nothing all day. Like take a look at her ISO. She has contributed nothing townie the entirety of D2 and frankly the entirety of D1 as well. She is coasting by on being toneread as town by someone that knows her D1.

I don't want to vote her out today because I have bigger fish to fry. But please pay attention to her tomorrow, especially if you have KP.

There's some rather worrisome wordage around her claim. I want people to remember that and pay some attention.

I would be a waste of a lynch bc I'm civ but not a huge loss in terms of role. Plus as you mentioned, my game is shit this game so far.

[Alison]

Oh lol I just realized Scotty and Kate are on the SVS wagon.

Not voting with those two if I can help it. Seanzie it is.

[Party Crasher]

seanzie's wagon looks the purest to me but i'll let my team control our vote, i dont wanna be too controlling

-tutuu

[Alison]

I continue to be worried about HK and 112. They have somehow accrued 0 pressure - even when 112 was put into the POE nobody wanted to vote her - while doing absolutely fucking nothing. Even Kate has more pressure than them and she got hard shielded by Golden D1.

[Kate]

But I also liked mac's wagon analysis that suggests she could be an easy wrong push here so idk

Mac's wagon analysis inherently makes assumptions that I don't think are great ones. There might not be high trust in the people on the SVS wagon but, besides Alison, they are all people who know SVS relatively well and who are good townies when town.

From my perspective that wasn't influential, I think Mac is just not vibing that SVS feels 'caught' but imo if SVS feels 'caught' she's town.

I am paranoid about my own SVS read here because she is sneaky good and I don't wanna be wrong but... I'm feeling good about my vote being there.

How can she be caught if she's town? I've never seen a nervous, frozen or caught civ svs.

[Alison]

If Sean is mafia KP I think we turbo Rondo

Timing of his big attention grabbing slapfight that tried to bait Mac into voting him when Seanzie was in danger would be much too suspicious

[nutella]

Oh lol I just realized Scotty and Kate are on the SVS wagon.

Not voting with those two if I can help it. Seanzie it is.

Kate voting SVS is from my perspective actually a good sign for SVS being a hit but I recognize that my perspective on Kate is very different from yours.

[Dyslexicon]

Kate has done absolutely nothing all day. Like take a look at her ISO. She has contributed nothing townie the entirety of D2 and frankly the entirety of D1 as well. She is coasting by on being toneread as town by someone that knows her D1.

I don't want to vote her out today because I have bigger fish to fry. But please pay attention to her tomorrow, especially if you have KP.

There's some rather worrisome wordage around her claim. I want people to remember that and pay some attention.

I would be a waste of a lynch bc I'm civ but not a huge loss in terms of role. Plus as you mentioned, my game is shit this game so far.

I haven't called your game shit. I'd encourage you to share more thoughts about the game though, whenever you have them. I understand you suspect SVS and town read Golden. Is there more?

[Alison]

Oh lol I just realized Scotty and Kate are on the SVS wagon.

Not voting with those two if I can help it. Seanzie it is.

Kate voting SVS is from my perspective actually a good sign for SVS being a hit but I recognize that my perspective on Kate is very different from yours.

That relies on Kate being town which I am really not convinced of. Frankly I am just refraining from tunnelling her because I recognize that other people who know her well think she is in her town meta and I'd rather pursue some level of cohesion and try to hammer out something consensus and orderly instead of tear off on my own to pursue my own desires. If it wasn't for that adamant shielding of her I would have her as bottom POE frankly.

[nutella]

Oh lol I just realized Scotty and Kate are on the SVS wagon.

Not voting with those two if I can help it. Seanzie it is.

Kate voting SVS is from my perspective actually a good sign for SVS being a hit but I recognize that my perspective on Kate is very different from yours.

That relies on Kate being town which I am really not convinced of. Frankly I am just refraining from tunnelling her because I recognize that other people who know her well think she is in her town meta and I'd rather pursue some level of cohesion and try to hammer out something consensus and orderly instead of tear off on my own to pursue my own desires. If it wasn't for that adamant shielding of her I would have her as bottom POE frankly.

I have a very nearly mechanical reason to believe kate is town but I don't want to go into it

[Golden]

oh also the mac/golden back and forth was an interesting read, i still have paranoia of golden as well, and michelle highlighted the below rask quote which i think is worth noting

@Alison if cape v, shoot scotty, if cape w, shoot radish?

cape v shoot golden imo

Genuine question: assuming I know that quote is out there, and I’m wolf, what do you think my reaction is to a proposed rask kill in wolfchat?

this is never a worthwhile argument ime. there's too many variables

No, I think there's value in the thought exercise. Because the assumption, I think, is 'golden would have been against it, but he would have been outvoted'.

Let me tell you what my response would be, then, since you're not keen on the thought experience.

I'd be fine with it. Rask didn't look committed to the read on me at all, and the reality of my Cape read is that I was damned to some people thinking I was wolf no matter what Cape flipped. It was either 'w/w pairing' or 'TMI'. No one was willing to listen and just take it as what it was - 'the case on Cape is shit'. Rask is just one of many people who don't have any experience of me who find it suspicious that I'll defend someone in that way. So my thoughts on that kill, I'm pretty sure, would be 'yeah, fine, whatever'. LPP made zero impression on me as a player on that day one.

Genuinely, did not know that post existed until people brought it up on day two. I mean, yes if I was a wolf, my teammates would have known. I'm just not sure why anyone would equate it to being reasonable motive for the kill.

(I'll add to that, I think that 'who did the person who just died suspect' is inherently bunk analysis, especially on day one.)

[Party Crasher]

Oh lol I just realized Scotty and Kate are on the SVS wagon.

Not voting with those two if I can help it. Seanzie it is.

Kate voting SVS is from my perspective actually a good sign for SVS being a hit but I recognize that my perspective on Kate is very different from yours.

That relies on Kate being town which I am really not convinced of. Frankly I am just refraining from tunnelling her because I recognize that other people who know her well think she is in her town meta and I'd rather pursue some level of cohesion and try to hammer out something consensus and orderly instead of tear off on my own to pursue my own desires. If it wasn't for that adamant shielding of her I would have her as bottom POE frankly.

I have a very nearly mechanical reason to believe kate is town but I don't want to go into it

creature too?

[Golden]

Yeah Kate's reentry today was super town Kate again so that momentary stress I was feeling is gone again.

[nutella]

oh also the mac/golden back and forth was an interesting read, i still have paranoia of golden as well, and michelle highlighted the below rask quote which i think is worth noting

@Alison if cape v, shoot scotty, if cape w, shoot radish?

cape v shoot golden imo

Genuine question: assuming I know that quote is out there, and I’m wolf, what do you think my reaction is to a proposed rask kill in wolfchat?

this is never a worthwhile argument ime. there's too many variables

No, I think there's value in the thought exercise. Because the assumption, I think, is 'golden would have been against it, but he would have been outvoted'.

Let me tell you what my response would be, then, since you're not keen on the thought experience.

I'd be fine with it. Rask didn't look committed to the read on me at all, and the reality of my Cape read is that I was damned to some people thinking I was wolf no matter what Cape flipped. It was either 'w/w pairing' or 'TMI'. No one was willing to listen and just take it as what it was - 'the case on Cape is shit'. Rask is just one of many people who don't have any experience of me who find it suspicious that I'll defend someone in that way. So my thoughts on that kill, I'm pretty sure, would be 'yeah, fine, whatever'. LPP made zero impression on me as a player on that day one.

Genuinely, did not know that post existed until people brought it up on day two. I mean, yes if I was a wolf, my teammates would have known. I'm just not sure why anyone would equate it to being reasonable motive for the kill.

(I'll add to that, I think that 'who did the person who just died suspect' is inherently bunk analysis, especially on day one.)

okay

[nutella]

Oh lol I just realized Scotty and Kate are on the SVS wagon.

Not voting with those two if I can help it. Seanzie it is.

Kate voting SVS is from my perspective actually a good sign for SVS being a hit but I recognize that my perspective on Kate is very different from yours.

That relies on Kate being town which I am really not convinced of. Frankly I am just refraining from tunnelling her because I recognize that other people who know her well think she is in her town meta and I'd rather pursue some level of cohesion and try to hammer out something consensus and orderly instead of tear off on my own to pursue my own desires. If it wasn't for that adamant shielding of her I would have her as bottom POE frankly.

I have a very nearly mechanical reason to believe kate is town but I don't want to go into it

creature too?

No thats just a read lol

[Golden]

Oh lol I just realized Scotty and Kate are on the SVS wagon.

Not voting with those two if I can help it. Seanzie it is.

Kate voting SVS is from my perspective actually a good sign for SVS being a hit but I recognize that my perspective on Kate is very different from yours.

A very very strong sign for SVS being a hit.

[nutella]

All the people trying to make a Creature wagon a thing makes me think at least one of the wagons is a hit. Probably more than one.

Are you saying you find Creature town?

Yes.

yall creature is town lmao

Talk to me about your Creature TR if ya plz

I don't really know how to articulate it beyond he's doing all the Creaturey things Creature does as town. Throwing out seemingly random pushes and names and complaints, lots of complaints and waiting for things to happen while tossing in reactions on the sidelines. Those are things that sound kind of baseline wolfy without context but having played with Creature a lot it's happening in an organic way and does not look like he's forcing himself to post. Glancing at his iso I could be wrong and don't see particular things that really bolster my confidence here, so I'll lay off on strongly shielding him as I could be wrong but really do not think he's a priority when we have a handful of promising wagons atm.

@Party Crasher ftr

[Alison]

Oh lol I just realized Scotty and Kate are on the SVS wagon.

Not voting with those two if I can help it. Seanzie it is.

Kate voting SVS is from my perspective actually a good sign for SVS being a hit but I recognize that my perspective on Kate is very different from yours.

That relies on Kate being town which I am really not convinced of. Frankly I am just refraining from tunnelling her because I recognize that other people who know her well think she is in her town meta and I'd rather pursue some level of cohesion and try to hammer out something consensus and orderly instead of tear off on my own to pursue my own desires. If it wasn't for that adamant shielding of her I would have her as bottom POE frankly.

I have a very nearly mechanical reason to believe kate is town but I don't want to go into it

Alright I'll trust you then

[Golden]

But I also liked mac's wagon analysis that suggests she could be an easy wrong push here so idk

Mac's wagon analysis inherently makes assumptions that I don't think are great ones. There might not be high trust in the people on the SVS wagon but, besides Alison, they are all people who know SVS relatively well and who are good townies when town.

From my perspective that wasn't influential, I think Mac is just not vibing that SVS feels 'caught' but imo if SVS feels 'caught' she's town.

I am paranoid about my own SVS read here because she is sneaky good and I don't wanna be wrong but... I'm feeling good about my vote being there.

How can she be caught if she's town? I've never seen a nervous, frozen or caught civ svs.

By the definition of 'caught' that is 'reacting to the wagon in ways that people find suspicious', which is what Mac is saying she feels townie for not doing.

Not by 'frozen' what actually feels like SVS is here. Or at least veeeeeery cautious.

[Seanzie]

Why does mafia Rondo get into a slapfight with Mac and put himself at risk instead of just chilling and letting us vote out SVS or Seanzie or whoever?

Because Sean is mafia kp

pew pew!

[Golden]

I continue to be worried about HK and 112. They have somehow accrued 0 pressure - even when 112 was put into the POE nobody wanted to vote her - while doing absolutely fucking nothing. Even Kate has more pressure than them and she got hard shielded by Golden D1.

100% - if Seanzie is honest about using his vig shot for the good of the town, I'd be shooting one of those two.

[Seanzie]

SVS, 112
Seanzie
Rondo

Is my vote preference, top being more preferred, bottom being less. Seanzie did fuck all with the space he was given so I'm not really inclined to shield him any more, but I would still vote SVS/112 over him.

I did plenty actually. I graded two classes worth of exams, did some drywall work, prepared a lecture, went for a run. I've been pro-adulting.

Oh, you meant like in the game? Yeah... then sure.

[112]

Friends, I adore your spirit but as with all things the only true path to victory is with love, not hate. We must suppress our hunger for chaos and replace it with a warm embrace. It is time to set aside our differences, to be tolerant and approach one another with care and concern for we are all united as one by this wonderful game and should celebrate our unity by playing firm, but fair, and important mindful of causing pain to your fellow mafia player.

[Golden]

If Sean lets the town control his vig kills but he's wolf, that's still advantageous. I don't understand the drive to kill Seanzie with immediacy when we have a known mechanical basis to test him.

For me, I'd reach a consensus on who Sean should shoot and policy elim him if he refused, given he's been asking the town all day who he should shoot.

[Golden]

At the end of the day if he's elimmed I'm fine with that I just don't get it when others, we have no known test angle.

[Seanzie]

If Sean lets the town control his vig kills but he's wolf, that's still advantageous. I don't understand the drive to kill Seanzie with immediacy when we have a known mechanical basis to test him.

For me, I'd reach a consensus on who Sean should shoot and policy elim him if he refused, given he's been asking the town all day who he should shoot.

Not uhh... super keen on being leashed, but I will take suggestions.

[Dyslexicon]

If Sean lets the town control his vig kills but he's wolf, that's still advantageous. I don't understand the drive to kill Seanzie with immediacy when we have a known mechanical basis to test him.

For me, I'd reach a consensus on who Sean should shoot and policy elim him if he refused, given he's been asking the town all day who he should shoot.

Not uhh... super keen on being leashed, but I will take suggestions.

SVS

[Golden]

Not uhh... super keen on being leashed.

Each to their own

[Golden]

If Sean lets the town control his vig kills but he's wolf, that's still advantageous. I don't understand the drive to kill Seanzie with immediacy when we have a known mechanical basis to test him.

For me, I'd reach a consensus on who Sean should shoot and policy elim him if he refused, given he's been asking the town all day who he should shoot.

Not uhh... super keen on being leashed, but I will take suggestions.

SVS

This is sort of weird in that at the moment if SVS isn't elimmed it seems likely that Sean wont' be around to make the shot lol.

[Alison]

If Sean lets the town control his vig kills but he's wolf, that's still advantageous. I don't understand the drive to kill Seanzie with immediacy when we have a known mechanical basis to test him.

For me, I'd reach a consensus on who Sean should shoot and policy elim him if he refused, given he's been asking the town all day who he should shoot.

I worry that if he is indeed mafia KP we're just kicking the can down the road for another day phase while he gets a free vig shot on Mac or me.

[Dyslexicon]

Not uhh... super keen on being leashed.

Each to their own

I almost did that =p

[Golden]

Not uhh... super keen on being leashed.

Each to their own

I almost did that =p

Even as I was writing it, I thought I'd be mindmelding with you lol.

[Dyslexicon]

Not uhh... super keen on being leashed.

Each to their own

I almost did that =p

Even as I was writing it, I thought I'd be mindmelding with you lol.

I feel seen!

[Golden]

If Sean lets the town control his vig kills but he's wolf, that's still advantageous. I don't understand the drive to kill Seanzie with immediacy when we have a known mechanical basis to test him.

For me, I'd reach a consensus on who Sean should shoot and policy elim him if he refused, given he's been asking the town all day who he should shoot.

I worry that if he is indeed mafia KP we're just kicking the can down the road for another day phase while he gets a free vig shot on Mac or me.

Yeah, I guess that's the conuterpoint.

[Dyslexicon]

If Sean lets the town control his vig kills but he's wolf, that's still advantageous. I don't understand the drive to kill Seanzie with immediacy when we have a known mechanical basis to test him.

For me, I'd reach a consensus on who Sean should shoot and policy elim him if he refused, given he's been asking the town all day who he should shoot.

I worry that if he is indeed mafia KP we're just kicking the can down the road for another day phase while he gets a free vig shot on Mac or me.

Yeah. Another reason I think Sean is mafia is that he hasn't focused much on me at all, while usually he's very aware of me and likes to poke me. Hehe. That's very me-centric, but it's a thing

[Party Crasher]

I HAVE A VIG SHOT TELL ME WHO TO SHOOT (BUT ONLY IF YOURE A TALL ANIME GIRL)

[Dyslexicon]

I HAVE A VIG SHOT TELL ME WHO TO SHOOT (BUT ONLY IF YOURE A TALL ANIME GIRL)

I'm a short catboi does it count?

[Golden]

If Sean lets the town control his vig kills but he's wolf, that's still advantageous. I don't understand the drive to kill Seanzie with immediacy when we have a known mechanical basis to test him.

For me, I'd reach a consensus on who Sean should shoot and policy elim him if he refused, given he's been asking the town all day who he should shoot.

I worry that if he is indeed mafia KP we're just kicking the can down the road for another day phase while he gets a free vig shot on Mac or me.

Yeah. Another reason I think Sean is mafia is that he hasn't focused much on me at all, while usually he's very aware of me and likes to poke me. Hehe. That's very me-centric, but it's a thing

Self-centricity is good solving, don't knock it.

[Party Crasher]

I HAVE A VIG SHOT TELL ME WHO TO SHOOT (BUT ONLY IF YOURE A TALL ANIME GIRL)

I'm a short catboi does it count?

[Party Crasher]

ICHI NI SAN NYAAAAAAAAAAN

ARIGATO NYAAAAAAANNNNNNNNN

[Porscha]

I dislike that your reads list has literally got "Low hanging/low poster targets" as all your mafia picks.

That's not true he still mistakenly has me as town ;o

[Porscha]

I HAVE A VIG SHOT TELL ME WHO TO SHOOT (BUT ONLY IF YOURE A TALL ANIME GIRL)

In all of my days climbing counters and shelves to reach things, alrering clothes, and getting mocked, never have I ever been so disappointed to be smol :/
No gun no life

[Party Crasher]

PORSCHA PLAYING THE GAME



(THERE'S TOO MANY NEW POSTS APPEARING ON HER SCREEN AND SHE FEELS DIZZY AND FAINTS)

[Party Crasher]

I HAVE A VIG SHOT TELL ME WHO TO SHOOT (BUT ONLY IF YOURE A TALL ANIME GIRL)

In all of my days climbing counters and shelves to reach things, alrering clothes, and getting mocked, never have I ever been so disappointed to be smol :/
No gun no life

OIII OIII OIII OIIII DONT CRYYY SMOLL SMOL TINY SHORT PORSCHA DONT CRY ONE DAY YOU'LL BE TALL ENOUGH TO REACH THE TOP OF THE SCREEN WITH YOUR MOUSE AND CLICK THE POLL TO VOTE FOR AN ACTUAL WOLF DONT CRYYY ITS OKAYYYY DWINK WOTS OF MILKKKK AND U GWOWWW

[Urist]

votecount

Spoiler: show

RondoDimBuckle
6
16%


Voters: Sloonei, falcon45ca, Urist, Seanzie, RondoDimBuckle, EnderWiggin

S~V~S
4
11%


Voters: Golden, sig, Scotty, Kate

Scotty
4
11%


Voters: hollowkatt, Creature, Marmot, Party Crasher

Seanzie
7
19%


Voters: nutella, Neon, Alison, Dyslexicon, Michelle, Lilypetal, MacDougall

[Porscha]

PORSCHA PLAYING THE GAME



(THERE'S TOO MANY NEW POSTS APPEARING ON HER SCREEN AND SHE FEELS DIZZY AND FAINTS)

Yeah true tbh I just woke up and have to go to work to have a butthole day there
I'm not caught up