Game of Champions 2022 mafia win lol

[Golden]

neon town too, especially if she's serious abt her softing a porscha kill inc

Wait her claim is the vig shot that she's been threatening me with for most of today.

How does that relate to what I said about Porscha?

oh lol I just saw this post in sabi's iso

mafia knew damn well that neon was gonna shoot sabi and couldn't do anything about it

@Party Crasher @nutella y'all are bad mafia doesn't even have a blocker or they'd have used it on neon

then why not kill her?

Oh, this might increase the chance sabi was lost mafia, actually.

[Alison]

Side eyeing Seanzie and Creature joining that Dennis wagon like that

good look for seanzie/creature

this is mafia sabi who has tmi on dennis flipping town and is setting up to make those two look bad in advance

agree with mac on removing seanzie from the POE in light of this

[Golden]

OK, stop me from going down that rabbit hole for now. It's going to throw everything off.

[Party Crasher]

Oh, this might increase the chance sabi was lost mafia, actually.

it usually says it in the role pm if wolves are lost

[Alison]

neon town too, especially if she's serious abt her softing a porscha kill inc

Wait her claim is the vig shot that she's been threatening me with for most of today.

How does that relate to what I said about Porscha?

oh lol I just saw this post in sabi's iso

mafia knew damn well that neon was gonna shoot sabi and couldn't do anything about it

@Party Crasher @nutella y'all are bad mafia doesn't even have a blocker or they'd have used it on neon

then why not kill her?

I've been floating the theory that mafia had a kill blocked because there's only one N1 kill that seems to have come from mafia.

So it's quite possible Neon was healed (probably for her vig claim) and the kill was blocked by that.

[Golden]

Oh, this might increase the chance sabi was lost mafia, actually.

it usually says it in the role pm if wolves are lost

Fair. And vanilla and lost feels rough.

[Alison]

neon town too, especially if she's serious abt her softing a porscha kill inc

Wait her claim is the vig shot that she's been threatening me with for most of today.

How does that relate to what I said about Porscha?

oh lol I just saw this post in sabi's iso

mafia knew damn well that neon was gonna shoot sabi and couldn't do anything about it

@Party Crasher @nutella y'all are bad mafia doesn't even have a blocker or they'd have used it on neon

Good take.

Possible alternate world: Sabi was a lost mafia (something that doesn't really bear thinking about in all the spewing etc).

Lost mafia wouldn't flip vanilla

[Golden]

neon town too, especially if she's serious abt her softing a porscha kill inc

Wait her claim is the vig shot that she's been threatening me with for most of today.

How does that relate to what I said about Porscha?

oh lol I just saw this post in sabi's iso

mafia knew damn well that neon was gonna shoot sabi and couldn't do anything about it

@Party Crasher @nutella y'all are bad mafia doesn't even have a blocker or they'd have used it on neon

Good take.

Possible alternate world: Sabi was a lost mafia (something that doesn't really bear thinking about in all the spewing etc).

Lost mafia wouldn't flip vanilla

Snap

[Alison]

I'm like 99% sure that Nanook wouldn't flip a lost wolf as vanilla, that would be borderline bastard

If he wanted to redact the "lost" part of her role PM, he'd just add the [redacted lol] like he did for illario's rolecard.

[RondoDimBuckle]

neon town too, especially if she's serious abt her softing a porscha kill inc

Wait her claim is the vig shot that she's been threatening me with for most of today.

How does that relate to what I said about Porscha?

oh lol I just saw this post in sabi's iso

mafia knew damn well that neon was gonna shoot sabi and couldn't do anything about it

@Party Crasher @nutella y'all are bad mafia doesn't even have a blocker or they'd have used it on neon

then why not kill her?

I've been floating the theory that mafia had a kill blocked because there's only one N1 kill that seems to have come from mafia.

So it's quite possible Neon was healed (probably for her vig claim) and the kill was blocked by that.

then why wouldnt I or wilgy claim it?

[Alison]

MR sure loves wasting his time writing posts about how disengaged he is with the game instead of pinging people and trying to solve.

He did that in our only game together r

was he wolf there?

Yes he was a 3p that converted me because I sr him d1

Wait you are referring to that game?

Yes. You literally were just openly commenting about being too busy in the thread that game.

I think this is a good look for radishes too

[Alison]

neon town too, especially if she's serious abt her softing a porscha kill inc

Wait her claim is the vig shot that she's been threatening me with for most of today.

How does that relate to what I said about Porscha?

oh lol I just saw this post in sabi's iso

mafia knew damn well that neon was gonna shoot sabi and couldn't do anything about it

@Party Crasher @nutella y'all are bad mafia doesn't even have a blocker or they'd have used it on neon

then why not kill her?

I've been floating the theory that mafia had a kill blocked because there's only one N1 kill that seems to have come from mafia.

So it's quite possible Neon was healed (probably for her vig claim) and the kill was blocked by that.

then why wouldnt I or wilgy claim it?

Claim what?

[Party Crasher]

neon town too, especially if she's serious abt her softing a porscha kill inc

Wait her claim is the vig shot that she's been threatening me with for most of today.

How does that relate to what I said about Porscha?

oh lol I just saw this post in sabi's iso

mafia knew damn well that neon was gonna shoot sabi and couldn't do anything about it

@Party Crasher @nutella y'all are bad mafia doesn't even have a blocker or they'd have used it on neon

then why not kill her?

I've been floating the theory that mafia had a kill blocked because there's only one N1 kill that seems to have come from mafia.

So it's quite possible Neon was healed (probably for her vig claim) and the kill was blocked by that.

then why wouldnt I or wilgy claim it?

what?

[Alison]

I don't know how to feel about nutella putting me in poe when she hasn't tried to interact with me.

Her only reason because I made a comment about Michelle and she only jumped in it because of Rask which gives me Dena vu from the Halloween mash where she was wolfing and only kept me in poe without solving me because someone was pushing me.

Anyway throw nutella in scummy vibes

in which whoever said nutella was scummy feels embarassed about their read

[Golden]

Question: does sabi often have spewitis when wolf?

[RondoDimBuckle]

neon town too, especially if she's serious abt her softing a porscha kill inc

Wait her claim is the vig shot that she's been threatening me with for most of today.

How does that relate to what I said about Porscha?

oh lol I just saw this post in sabi's iso

mafia knew damn well that neon was gonna shoot sabi and couldn't do anything about it

@Party Crasher @nutella y'all are bad mafia doesn't even have a blocker or they'd have used it on neon

then why not kill her?

I've been floating the theory that mafia had a kill blocked because there's only one N1 kill that seems to have come from mafia.

So it's quite possible Neon was healed (probably for her vig claim) and the kill was blocked by that.

then why wouldnt I or wilgy claim it?

Claim what?

the... the doc... as in.. DOCTOR wilgy and I claim everything because I am a god like doctor. 2 shots 2 blocks last time I was doc so obviously if Neon was saved it was by me

[Golden]

Or perhaps the more valid question… does Sabi make an effort to townspew teammates.

[Alison]

ehhhh

dial down all the sabi spew analysis I made by like 50%

I think they're still broadly valid but if sabi knew neon had a gun pointed at their head they'd be watching their words and might even be in anti spew mode

[MacDougall]

Nutella said my reads list is pushing a wolf agenda:

Let's compare our poe list:

Mine:
Scummy:
Sig
Wilgz
Porscha
Dennis
HK
Guillo

Nutellas:
could vote d1
112 (just 0post null)
dennis (actually do not want to wagon here but fits more on this side of the divide)
ender
hk
iawy
lily (also prob not)
porscha
pyxxy (fence)
svs
sabi
scotty (fence)


----


Yea I'm the one discrediting town people and pushing an agenda???

Make it. Make sense

probs worthy of some attention

[MacDougall]

OK my vote is stale and hk can be dealt with later so I'm moving to iawy since I don't like the Dennis and Cape wagons at all.

Dennis is the only of the three who has struck me as slightly wolfy, but I am interested in a fourth option if one could be found and agreed upon.

Who are your options for a 4th

I just shifted my vote back to [VOTE: guillotine] aubergine so that's one. That he pushed the 'golden's town read of kate doesn't make sense' and actively said 'I'll solve this game when it's bigger' means he falls into both the categories of 'easy wolfy things' that I have engaged in.

Not sure why Urist gets so many town reads.

112, TSP and MR all fall into a 'haven't seen town hunting' but I don't know any of them well and it feels like others suggest this might be NAI?

That'd be my top 5 atm.

I'm fine with Guillotine or MR in that list.

Idk I think 112 and Tsp can be sorted out via night actions

May I offer ilario?

possibly good look for MR and bad for 112?

[Porscha]

neon town too, especially if she's serious abt her softing a porscha kill inc

Wait her claim is the vig shot that she's been threatening me with for most of today.

How does that relate to what I said about Porscha?

oh lol I just saw this post in sabi's iso

mafia knew damn well that neon was gonna shoot sabi and couldn't do anything about it

@Party Crasher @nutella y'all are bad mafia doesn't even have a blocker or they'd have used it on neon

Good take.

Possible alternate world: Sabi was a lost mafia (something that doesn't really bear thinking about in all the spewing etc).

I personally do not feel that sabi was playing like a lost mafia which for all intents and purposes would act like a 3p day 1 with no tmi when I think she had tmi

[Alison]

Or perhaps the more valid question… does Sabi make an effort to townspew teammates.

I've seen games where their spew was accurate and games where their spew was very inaccurate (or well, not sure if you'd consider misplay mafia "spew" but something along those lines anyway)

I think it's probably likely to be the latter since they knew they were about to die n1 so meh discount most of my spew analysis

there's still something to be gleaned from it since I think sabi would try to take out a townie if they thought they were gonna die for sure anyway, and thus be more likely to push on townies than teammates still but... don't count on it that strongly ig

[MacDougall]

@Golden does sabi being okay with you pushing Guillo after you did give you pause on Guillo?

[RondoDimBuckle]

neon town too, especially if she's serious abt her softing a porscha kill inc

Wait her claim is the vig shot that she's been threatening me with for most of today.

How does that relate to what I said about Porscha?

oh lol I just saw this post in sabi's iso

mafia knew damn well that neon was gonna shoot sabi and couldn't do anything about it

@Party Crasher @nutella y'all are bad mafia doesn't even have a blocker or they'd have used it on neon

Good take.

Possible alternate world: Sabi was a lost mafia (something that doesn't really bear thinking about in all the spewing etc).

I personally do not feel that sabi was playing like a lost mafia which for all intents and purposes would act like a 3p day 1 with no tmi when I think she had tmi

I like this post

[Party Crasher]

rondo is being too normal and tame to be town imo

[Porscha]

Nutella said my reads list is pushing a wolf agenda:

Let's compare our poe list:

Mine:
Scummy:
Sig
Wilgz
Porscha
Dennis
HK
Guillo

Nutellas:
could vote d1
112 (just 0post null)
dennis (actually do not want to wagon here but fits more on this side of the divide)
ender
hk
iawy
lily (also prob not)
porscha
pyxxy (fence)
svs
sabi
scotty (fence)


----


Yea I'm the one discrediting town people and pushing an agenda???

Make it. Make sense

probs worthy of some attention

What part of sabi trying to make a gotchya by highlighting 3 of the same names on a list is worthy of any real attention

[MacDougall]

Or perhaps the more valid question… does Sabi make an effort to townspew teammates.

I've seen games where their spew was accurate and games where their spew was very inaccurate (or well, not sure if you'd consider misplay mafia "spew" but something along those lines anyway)

I think it's probably likely to be the latter since they knew they were about to die n1 so meh discount most of my spew analysis

there's still something to be gleaned from it since I think sabi would try to take out a townie if they thought they were gonna die for sure anyway, and thus be more likely to push on townies than teammates still but... don't count on it that strongly ig

I don't really think Sabi was in antispew in this game. She was actively trying to influence the gamestate imo. Particularly in the back few pages. I think townspew is safe to read, wolf spew (ie. scumreading people she's protective of etc) not so much.

[Porscha]

Nutella said my reads list is pushing a wolf agenda:

Let's compare our poe list:

Mine:
Scummy:
Sig
Wilgz
Porscha
Dennis
HK
Guillo

Nutellas:
could vote d1
112 (just 0post null)
dennis (actually do not want to wagon here but fits more on this side of the divide)
ender
hk
iawy
lily (also prob not)
porscha
pyxxy (fence)
svs
sabi
scotty (fence)


----


Yea I'm the one discrediting town people and pushing an agenda???

Make it. Make sense

probs worthy of some attention

What part of sabi trying to make a gotchya by highlighting 3 of the same names on a list is worthy of any real attention

Like maybe the most useful part is it probs spews nutella town lol

[RondoDimBuckle]

rondo is being too normal and tame to be town imo

I demand to face my accuser

[Golden]

@Golden does sabi being okay with you pushing Guillo after you did give you pause on Guillo?

Eh, I mean…

I got zero engagement with the idea of moving away from those wagons other than sabi. It was probably quite safe from their perspective. So no, I don’t think so. It’s a safe chance to distance without risk.

But for now I’m feeling Alison as part of the towncore and trusting that read.

I agree with the take that it’s a decent look for MR and not a great one for 112 though.

[Alison]

Or perhaps the more valid question… does Sabi make an effort to townspew teammates.

I've seen games where their spew was accurate and games where their spew was very inaccurate (or well, not sure if you'd consider misplay mafia "spew" but something along those lines anyway)

I think it's probably likely to be the latter since they knew they were about to die n1 so meh discount most of my spew analysis

there's still something to be gleaned from it since I think sabi would try to take out a townie if they thought they were gonna die for sure anyway, and thus be more likely to push on townies than teammates still but... don't count on it that strongly ig

I don't really think Sabi was in antispew in this game. She was actively trying to influence the gamestate imo. Particularly in the back few pages. I think townspew is safe to read, wolf spew (ie. scumreading people she's protective of etc) not so much.

yeah i think that's fair

[Golden]

Nutella said my reads list is pushing a wolf agenda:

Let's compare our poe list:

Mine:
Scummy:
Sig
Wilgz
Porscha
Dennis
HK
Guillo

Nutellas:
could vote d1
112 (just 0post null)
dennis (actually do not want to wagon here but fits more on this side of the divide)
ender
hk
iawy
lily (also prob not)
porscha
pyxxy (fence)
svs
sabi
scotty (fence)


----


Yea I'm the one discrediting town people and pushing an agenda???

Make it. Make sense

probs worthy of some attention

What part of sabi trying to make a gotchya by highlighting 3 of the same names on a list is worthy of any real attention

Like maybe the most useful part is it probs spews nutella town lol

Would sabis PoE be all town?

[Alison]

i think clearing creature/seanzie off that one post sabi made about them is most likely correct then

sabi was very blatantly trying to set them up to look bad when dennis flipped town

[Golden]

i think clearing creature/seanzie off that one post sabi made about them is most likely correct then

sabi was very blatantly trying to set them up to look bad when dennis flipped town

I agree with this take. Of all the sabi spew this is perhaps the spewiest.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Or perhaps the more valid question… does Sabi make an effort to townspew teammates.

I've seen games where their spew was accurate and games where their spew was very inaccurate (or well, not sure if you'd consider misplay mafia "spew" but something along those lines anyway)

I think it's probably likely to be the latter since they knew they were about to die n1 so meh discount most of my spew analysis

there's still something to be gleaned from it since I think sabi would try to take out a townie if they thought they were gonna die for sure anyway, and thus be more likely to push on townies than teammates still but... don't count on it that strongly ig

I don't really think Sabi was in antispew in this game. She was actively trying to influence the gamestate imo. Particularly in the back few pages. I think townspew is safe to read, wolf spew (ie. scumreading people she's protective of etc) not so much.

what? By definition if she is playing the game she should be hiding her partners in the town??? Like sure she wasnt in anti spew but we should be equally careful of her town reads as her scum reads. Is this an oxymoron or is it just me?

[Alison]

i think clearing creature/seanzie off that one post sabi made about them is most likely correct then

sabi was very blatantly trying to set them up to look bad when dennis flipped town

it is doubly ridiculous when you take into account that sabi was trying to shade them for randomly hopping onto a wagon of her supposed townread when those two are among the most likely players in this game to vote random townies out of paranoia (creature) or for fun (seanzie)

[Alison]

i think clearing creature/seanzie off that one post sabi made about them is most likely correct then

sabi was very blatantly trying to set them up to look bad when dennis flipped town

it is doubly ridiculous when you take into account that sabi was trying to shade them for randomly hopping onto a wagon of her supposed townread when those two are among the most likely players in this game to vote random townies out of paranoia (creature) or for fun (seanzie)

their* sorry

I keep getting subconsciously influenced by all the people around me using she/her, won't happen again

[Porscha]

Nutella said my reads list is pushing a wolf agenda:

Let's compare our poe list:

Mine:
Scummy:
Sig
Wilgz
Porscha
Dennis
HK
Guillo

Nutellas:
could vote d1
112 (just 0post null)
dennis (actually do not want to wagon here but fits more on this side of the divide)
ender
hk
iawy
lily (also prob not)
porscha
pyxxy (fence)
svs
sabi
scotty (fence)


----


Yea I'm the one discrediting town people and pushing an agenda???

Make it. Make sense

probs worthy of some attention

What part of sabi trying to make a gotchya by highlighting 3 of the same names on a list is worthy of any real attention

Like maybe the most useful part is it probs spews nutella town lol

Would sabis PoE be all town?

/shrug

Think I've seen her do both likely not worth reading into cuz I think it's literally just guessing

[RondoDimBuckle]

Or perhaps the more valid question… does Sabi make an effort to townspew teammates.

I've seen games where their spew was accurate and games where their spew was very inaccurate (or well, not sure if you'd consider misplay mafia "spew" but something along those lines anyway)

I think it's probably likely to be the latter since they knew they were about to die n1 so meh discount most of my spew analysis

there's still something to be gleaned from it since I think sabi would try to take out a townie if they thought they were gonna die for sure anyway, and thus be more likely to push on townies than teammates still but... don't count on it that strongly ig

I don't really think Sabi was in antispew in this game. She was actively trying to influence the gamestate imo. Particularly in the back few pages. I think townspew is safe to read, wolf spew (ie. scumreading people she's protective of etc) not so much.

what? By definition if she is playing the game she should be hiding her partners in the town??? Like sure she wasnt in anti spew but we should be equally careful of her town reads as her scum reads. Is this an oxymoron or is it just me?

just to be clear this isnt trying to shade Mac, genuine question

[Alison]

Or perhaps the more valid question… does Sabi make an effort to townspew teammates.

I've seen games where their spew was accurate and games where their spew was very inaccurate (or well, not sure if you'd consider misplay mafia "spew" but something along those lines anyway)

I think it's probably likely to be the latter since they knew they were about to die n1 so meh discount most of my spew analysis

there's still something to be gleaned from it since I think sabi would try to take out a townie if they thought they were gonna die for sure anyway, and thus be more likely to push on townies than teammates still but... don't count on it that strongly ig

I don't really think Sabi was in antispew in this game. She was actively trying to influence the gamestate imo. Particularly in the back few pages. I think townspew is safe to read, wolf spew (ie. scumreading people she's protective of etc) not so much.

what? By definition if she is playing the game she should be hiding her partners in the town??? Like sure she wasnt in anti spew but we should be equally careful of her town reads as her scum reads. Is this an oxymoron or is it just me?

I think Mac is saying that he perceives Sabi to be trying to get townies killed (which I agree with, see my read on them setting up Creature/Seanzie to look bad). I think this makes sense if Sabi knew Neon would shoot them N1 and thus would want to take some townies with them. If Sabi is trying to get townies killed then the people who they push for sketchy reasons are more likely to be town.

[MacDougall]

Nutella said my reads list is pushing a wolf agenda:

Let's compare our poe list:

Mine:
Scummy:
Sig
Wilgz
Porscha
Dennis
HK
Guillo

Nutellas:
could vote d1
112 (just 0post null)
dennis (actually do not want to wagon here but fits more on this side of the divide)
ender
hk
iawy
lily (also prob not)
porscha
pyxxy (fence)
svs
sabi
scotty (fence)


----


Yea I'm the one discrediting town people and pushing an agenda???

Make it. Make sense

probs worthy of some attention

What part of sabi trying to make a gotchya by highlighting 3 of the same names on a list is worthy of any real attention

uh it's mafia 101, see who Sabi is spewing?

[Porscha]

Nutella said my reads list is pushing a wolf agenda:

Let's compare our poe list:

Mine:
Scummy:
Sig
Wilgz
Porscha
Dennis
HK
Guillo

Nutellas:
could vote d1
112 (just 0post null)
dennis (actually do not want to wagon here but fits more on this side of the divide)
ender
hk
iawy
lily (also prob not)
porscha
pyxxy (fence)
svs
sabi
scotty (fence)


----


Yea I'm the one discrediting town people and pushing an agenda???

Make it. Make sense

probs worthy of some attention

What part of sabi trying to make a gotchya by highlighting 3 of the same names on a list is worthy of any real attention

uh it's mafia 101, see who Sabi is spewing?

No

[Porscha]

Nutella said my reads list is pushing a wolf agenda:

Let's compare our poe list:

Mine:
Scummy:
Sig
Wilgz
Porscha
Dennis
HK
Guillo

Nutellas:
could vote d1
112 (just 0post null)
dennis (actually do not want to wagon here but fits more on this side of the divide)
ender
hk
iawy
lily (also prob not)
porscha
pyxxy (fence)
svs
sabi
scotty (fence)


----


Yea I'm the one discrediting town people and pushing an agenda???

Make it. Make sense

probs worthy of some attention

What part of sabi trying to make a gotchya by highlighting 3 of the same names on a list is worthy of any real attention

uh it's mafia 101, see who Sabi is spewing?

No

Unless you mean nutella

[MacDougall]

well i think sabi is actually implying her poe has wolves in it for a start in the way she's demonstrating that it's a better POE than Nutella's... it's the sort of post a wolf makes when they are townsiding

[MacDougall]

their*

[Porscha]

well i think sabi is actually implying her poe has wolves in it for a start in the way she's demonstrating that it's a better POE than Nutella's... it's the sort of post a wolf makes when they are townsiding

Sorry I read sabi's context of "I'm being accused of wolf siding by nutella BUT LOOK WE HAVE SOME OF THE SAME PEOPLE IN OUR POE" to imply that nutella is also wolf siding or as you said to look like she is town siding like nutella is

I do not think it is overly indicative of the alignments of the people in the list and not trying to show it is "better"

And if we go with Alison's theory, then it would be more likely sabi included a poe of all town to push town

I am not sold on either cuz a good majority of spew is painfully speculative and I'm not a fan of over reading into what is provable as vague since we are all sitting here theorizing on the list with no agreements

[Alison]

well the names their POE had that nutella's didn't was sig, wilgy, guillo

i have a townread on guillo as mentioned and sig has town pinged me as well

wilgy? i sorta thought his pushes today were surprisingly bold to come from someone who is trying to slank by if wolf. but some people told me it was well within his range so

[Alison]

if we assume my analysis of wilgy's wolf archetype isn't wrong and my reads on guillo and sig are solid then sabi might actually have given an all town POE to powerwolf us

the last 3 names are porscha dennis HK. dennis is flipped town, porscha is spewed town by the mommy comment, and mac is shielding HK

[Porscha]

Sure maybe she easily avoided direct conflict about "the other people in the list that arent shared with nutella" so it wouldnt be questioned and the focus point of the post is to focus on the color coded names and avoiding literally all of the others cuz otherwise shes held accountable for who else she includes which, as a wolf, and sabi in particular, I think would prefer to be avoided

[Porscha]

if we assume my analysis of wilgy's wolf archetype isn't wrong and my reads on guillo and sig are solid then sabi might actually have given an all town POE to powerwolf us

the last 3 names are porscha dennis HK. dennis is flipped town, porscha is spewed town by the mommy comment, and mac is shielding HK

Where sabi revokes the mommy comment cuz I agreed with mac that sabi was likely wolf?