Cindy Kate & Percy Date Night Mafia <3 [ENDGAME]

[JaggedJimmyJay]

My whole claim was a bluff. I have no idea who shot orange.

I did.

This is power role cover. Hope the mafia don’t catch on.

We all did.
It was a firing squad.

Garden Gnome taught Sloonei everything he knows about operating a revolver.

[Sloonei]

also, hey, @Actvscenei and @Made your thoughts on recent developments would be appreciated. The crosshairs are locked on you at the moment. If we're wrong, please help us to realize it by pointing us toward the correct names.

[Alison]

What does the game look like if Act and Made are both town?

It probably means Guillo is wolf.

[Alison]

Gnome doesn't seem as grumpy and unmotivated as I'd expect from someone whose team got decimated.

Act and Made do.

[Garden Gnome]

My whole claim was a bluff. I have no idea who shot orange.

I did.

This is power role cover. Hope the mafia don’t catch on.

We all did.
It was a firing squad.

Garden Gnome taught Sloonei everything he knows about operating a revolver.

You too can learn how to operate a revolver at Gnome's School of Shooting.
Register today and you can bring a friend in for a 50 percent discount!

[JaggedJimmyJay]

What does the game look like if Act and Made are both town?

Annoying.

My first guess from there would be venturing into the Gnome + [Allcrab, Martin, monkey] space with plenty of room for throwing mud at [Mac, Nanook, Guillotine] pending night kills.

[Alison]

Based on what we've seen, there's a good chance that the scum team this game is approximately the same size and power level as the scum team from GOC.

[Guillotine]

Guillotine would be a fun prospective poisoner.

I wish, imagine the kind of fun i would be having with that role, specially if it's a 3P poisoner.
I salivate to it.

[Sloonei]

I just wanna say for the record that nearly every time I've had a vig shot in the last X years, I've announced it publicly and turned my decision into a cooperative effort, and I'm pretty sure this method has a 100% success rate. Friends don't let friends hero shoot.

[Guillotine]

Guillotine would be a fun prospective poisoner.

"Sloonei please shoot me so I can be confirmed town." - The Poisoner

Guillotine would be a fun prospective poisoner.

"Sloonei please shoot me so I can be confirmed town." - The Poisoner

Eh he would.

Yes i would, this is fair, i would.

[Alison]

Hypothesis. Everyone who's performed a fake claim or reaction test is town.

[Alison]

I can't remember the last time I saw a mafia perform a reaction test tbh.

[Alison]

Maybe it's a new tell. I should write an article.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Iirc Marmot fooled me that way earlier this year

[Guillotine]

Guillotine would be a fun prospective poisoner.

"Sloonei please shoot me so I can be confirmed town." - The Poisoner

Maybe the hosts told him desperado doesn't kill 3Ps and he wanted to fake clear himself and win by default.

This gotta be sarcasm, i love it.

[Seanzie]

Ahh, nope. I'm wrong.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Most likely current ratio is 12:2:1. That’ll be 12:1:1 when Act flips mafia (forgive my bravado).

Under the circumstances I think a dedicated poisoner hunt will be easy to justify on Day 5. The mafia hunt should obviously continue as well. Staying ahead of the opposition is ideal though.

[Garden Gnome]

Guillotine would be a fun prospective poisoner.

I wish, imagine the kind of fun i would be having with that role, specially if it's a 3P poisoner.
I salivate to it.

That's exactly how I feel about being a modposter!!!!

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Most likely current ratio is 12:2:1. That’ll be 12:1:1 when Act flips mafia (forgive my bravado).

Under the circumstances I think a dedicated poisoner hunt will be easy to justify on Day 5. The mafia hunt should obviously continue as well. Staying ahead of the opposition is ideal though.

Given power level we've seen flip so far im leaning towards 6 mafia

[Guillotine]

The POE is fine. If the game doesn't end once we kill all of them y'all can flip me first so I don't have to endure the paranoia party.

Which PoE? Can you list names?

Act, Allc, Gnome, Made etc.

Guillo is also my prime tinfoil subject based on how desperate and weird he gradually has become.

The poisoner is more or less could be anyone.

Now that is a new insult to my play, desperate? It's so offensive that im not getting mad, im actually laughing at you for it?

DESPERATE?

Mac please.

And weird... dude come on, this is not new. You called me weird in Stormtossed. Im just a little insane.

You did request that I shoot you many times today. I don't think it's unfair to characterize that as "desperate."

It is, i was certain that i would be clear, i was excited by the idea of getting shot and become innocent child, not desperate.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I think mafia are more prone to doing things seriously, getting crap for them, and walking them back as “reaction tests”.

[Sloonei]

Ahh, nope. I'm wrong.

about?

[Guillotine]

Guillotine would be a fun prospective poisoner.

I wish, imagine the kind of fun i would be having with that role, specially if it's a 3P poisoner.
I salivate to it.

That's exactly how I feel about being a modposter!!!!

Because you are a writer. Imagine those mod posts.

[Seanzie]

Most likely current ratio is 12:2:1. That’ll be 12:1:1 when Act flips mafia (forgive my bravado).

Under the circumstances I think a dedicated poisoner hunt will be easy to justify on Day 5. The mafia hunt should obviously continue as well. Staying ahead of the opposition is ideal though.

Given power level we've seen flip so far im leaning towards 6 mafia

I agree, and even if I didn't, it seems foolhardy to assume there are only two mafia left right now.

[Seanzie]

Ahh, nope. I'm wrong.

about?

I'd rather not say right now, if that is okay. Nothing exciting, I promise.

[Sloonei]

Spoiler: show

Interactions of Sonnycrush and Actvscenei

From Sonnycrush

Spoiler: show

Why is Act getting love?

Wait, @Guillotine is a percy player?

Are you known as anything else?

They hosted a game there recently iirc

Sometimes they go by guillotina

Oh, well I was going to give them points for how they engaged with Act v Dana stuff as I understand why people read Act's jumpiness and questions as bothersom if they don't know that her paranoia is paranoid about being paranoid o.o if they know her though, it's meh.

If act has a read on gnome already she's a hot stinking liar

tell me more

Act is uncertain at best and tends to find Gnome scummy regardless. So yeah, it's true, if she had a read on Gnome it would be shady. That said, I like her play so far. Did I miss her give a read on Gnome tho? Thought she was raising why it was shady that Dana didn't find Gnome shady as that tends to be the default of those who don't know better.

Not fully caught up but so far I have 6 Percy's who haven't even posted yet =/ sad.

Do you have any loose impressions of the Percys that have posted?

Act and Guillotine (who I don't think I actually know) are looking townie to me.
Kito is in standard slank mode which is fine and meh.
Hawk didn't give much when she was here so wait and see.
Gnome is Gnome, my default is to not read/sheep others on her until there is evidence of something or I'll end up tunneling nothing.

I expect Belzy, Owner and Seanzie at the least to post enough to give reads and am sad they're not here yet.

Tbh I expected more.

I'm still responding to page 1 of 15, not there yet. I'm really curious about why a wagon is on Act.

I can see why those who don't know Act are suspect, her first question really is redundant, but I think it's largely around people not knowing her. Her question to Dana was what I was thinking when I saw the nervous post and I think it's valid to expect those who don't know Gnome to be suspect of her. Anyway, catch up.

Seriously smh, how did I get first so easily.

I like your first posts. Nice to meet you!

Likewise!

What do you like about them?

They feel genuine. I also feel the progression works. So, yeah. I like ‘em.

This is something I haven't seen from act in a while lol.

Finding someone genuine?


Unrelated, screw nested quotes. Really.

@Sonny, did you give a read on Owner? If not, what do you think of her?

Felt like she was here for 2 minutes, posted next to nothing of value, didn't read everything, than left. I was, err, underwhelmed. I expect left-of-centre from her, not meh.

General question for our Percy friends, or for those to whom it applies:

hello everyone! I'm so nervous but also very excited to make lots of new friends!!

A few of you have either voiced direct suspicion of Dana for this post or suggested that you would have or could have done so in the ensuing dialogue relating to Act and Guillotine.

Why? What about this Dana post is worrisome, or could be worrisome? I ask this to develop my ability to interpret everyone involved, perhaps even Dana herself. My first instinct is that not everyone voicing a sentiment like this is being honest, but determining who is not going to be easy if the conversation continues to exist on this vague plane of woulds/coulds/nulls. Help an angry bear out.

It's jarring wording to me and I've no issue with Act jumping on it, had she not I would have myself to see where it led. After that it becomes WIFOM, should town be nervous, probably not. Would scum say they were nervous, probably not, but could someone be scum and honest about how they feel, could do, depends on the player. The fact none of the locals seemed bothered by it despite the conversation dwelling there for some time makes it more meh.

here's some preliminary day 1 "reads" (not sure how read-y they will be bc I feel like I never have super strong feelings.. im sure some of you might not particularly appreciate that but its just how it be sometimes early on, im sorry)


[READS LIST]

This list though.... What prompted you to do this?

You have a problem with it?

[READS LIST BASED ON NUTELLA INTERACTIONS]

Actvscenei: Says first post is wolfy. Gave awk vibes. Had TMI on Tang. Changed to Act may just be like this. Says voted Act for backtracking on Tang. Backs off Act - Mentions/interacts with her a bit but is kinda meh overall

Owner of a Lonely Heart: Owner calls her scum for a weird word, she seems to push owner forward although votes LoMo, keeps her name out there though - Probably town

[READS LIST SNIP]

@Actvscenei is there anyone besides Dana that you have a read on? Your singular focus is singular.

Anyone:

Without looking, tell me an Actvscenei read other than “Dana is mafia”.

Couldn't. But Act would be aware of how she comes across, locking down on one player isn't a good look to sell as scum.

hello everyone i actualy only fecognise some of you but i am excited to play here

i have not been able to catch upw tith everything but i have started to

so far i have these people town: Act (though am becoming cautious with him the more i read), Jay, Tangrow, Guil, Dana, Alison (lesser town read)

I'm kind of flipping back and forth between current day and reading back

My thoughts on the healer thing is that I don't see any reason we can't have multiple healers when we now know that there have been multiple poisons, that obviously doesn't mean anything for the alignment of each one so that's an important thing to remember

The one thing that sticks out is 1-shot and 2-shot claims. I have no real reason for thinking this but I think they would both be 1 or both be 2 OR are different Alignments if both real. It just seems kinda random to give town a 1 shot and a 2 shot of the same role instead of just two 1 shots or a 3 shot. Maybe it's my ocd lol

Anyway I'm more concern with Gnome and Mac at the current times

Did you see my post to Hawk? I asked her some questions and brought up some things that don’t make sense to me. Can you make sense of my concerns?

I think they think they wasted a shot because Alison was already healed by Martin so they both healed the same person which would mean one shot was wasted.

But then instead of saying that it kind of looks like they think they wasted a shot because they were roleblocked but I don't think that would affect a day action lol

So it's all a bit confusiong and doesn't really make sense as an entire post

I do agree a shot was wasted though if both targeted Alison

@orangecrush since you're here, would you mind listing out some townreads/scumreads you have as of where you're at right now? Explanations are welcome but not necessary. It will just help give us some content to read you off of.

im town reading Act, Dana, Guil, Tangrowth

town lean for Jay and Martin and Sloonei

scum reading Gnome and Mac

scum lean on Hawk

can elaborate on any you wish just ask

Actually self admittedly shit posting is anti town because it disrupts the thread which could be used for good solving discussion and it clogs up the thread with stuffs that we don't need. Like I've already said Gavlis did this in the last hame I played exactly the same and yes he was scum

Fake red checking someone if you are town would be hilariously anti-town so the question is Just how bad are you as town because if the answer is not very then the plausible explanation is anti-town you is not actually town this game.

Any reasonablly good town lplayer doesn't have to fake check someone to get people to vote them too they can get those votes anyway, wouldn't you agree with that?

lets kill this

Sonny's posting plummeted after a bad start to the game by scum and now his replacement is trying to get mac run up for shitposting and faking checks

I can't speak for sunny but I do stand by my reads and am confident in them despite the hawk flip and in my head it makes a lot of sense that such play would be by a scum player, especially after recent games I played. I totally understand voting me though and to be honest I've had a hard time catching up with the game

You say you understand why people are voting you. Why do you think people are voting you?

The games I have played I have been able to make people know I am town but these games I have been caught up and this game I know I'm still not even half way through the thread and I've been trying to catch up but I've also been busy , I was wrong about hawk being scum which sucks too and look bad but the things I have noticed and pointed out are things I hope are considered because I have died early last few games and it is very frustrating seeing things and not being able to point them out

@Actvscenei am I mafia?

I don’t know, are you?

You’re not interested in sorting me. You’re interested in serving big helpings of question casserole to provide the appearance of sorting.

Actually this is something I noticed about act that they ask a million questions but then said they don't make reads lists which I found very strange because it's almost like they want to create the impression that they are solving with all the questions and using the questions yo build fake reads which don't even exist in any firm. I don't think town solving would involve adding all these questions and then refusing to provide reads list but also I don't know act

Bunny is dead. Why should we care about your bad vibes here? Are you suggesting we yeet bunny?

how is this suspicious at all...

Because I get the sense that Orange is grasping rather than actually scum hunting.

But I have over 100 posts, that's more than people that have been here alive from the beginning. So actually what bunny said was not true at all and felt much like a fake defense of me

Bunny might be mafia but they are poisoned. If they survive the poison they are probably outed mafia from it anyway. So even if you're right it kinda doesn't matter.

Ok but act saying I'm grapsing at straws is stupid because bad bunny defending me with such defense is super weird and seems like looking for town credit. If they are poison and then they survive then they would look very bad

@Actvscenei am I mafia?

I don’t know, are you?

You’re not interested in sorting me. You’re interested in serving big helpings of question casserole to provide the appearance of sorting.

Actually this is something I noticed about act that they ask a million questions but then said they don't make reads lists which I found very strange because it's almost like they want to create the impression that they are solving with all the questions and using the questions yo build fake reads which don't even exist in any firm. I don't think town solving would involve adding all these questions and then refusing to provide reads list but also I don't know act

Reads lists are WIFOM and easily fabricated. What isn’t easily fabricated is game interaction. Want to know my leans? Read the game, not a reads list.

Having q concrete and easily referenced read list is pro town. Why do all the hard work and then make it more difficult for town to benefit from unless you want to create the image of solving while maintaining some ambiguity towards your actual stance s I don't like that

Because I get the sense that Orange is grasping rather than actually scum hunting.

But I have over 100 posts, that's more than people that have been here alive from the beginning. So actually what bunny said was not true at all and felt much like a fake defense of me

Bunny might be mafia but they are poisoned. If they survive the poison they are probably outed mafia from it anyway. So even if you're right it kinda doesn't matter.

Ok but act saying I'm grapsing at straws is stupid because bad bunny defending me with such defense is super weird and seems like looking for town credit. If they are poison and then they survive then they would look very bad

So you think they're both mafia? ok you only need 1 more for auto. Who is it? Consider carefully.

You are probably not with actr especially if the day vig is real but I think one of you is scum

Bunny might be mafia but they are poisoned. If they survive the poison they are probably outed mafia from it anyway. So even if you're right it kinda doesn't matter.

Ok but act saying I'm grapsing at straws is stupid because bad bunny defending me with such defense is super weird and seems like looking for town credit. If they are poison and then they survive then they would look very bad

So you think they're both mafia? ok you only need 1 more for auto. Who is it? Consider carefully.

You are probably not with actr especially if the day vig is real but I think one of you is scum

act, bunny, ?

who fits?

I have to read through interaction s to see what fits but Gnome would be my third on top of act or you and bunny rigjt now.

@Sloonei I think my preferred shot is Act now.

Do you think that the dayvig is fake

Taste the rainbow. I tried to re-orient my colors a bit to make them more intuitive.

Orange - These are null/neutral/NAI comments and interactions. It's not comprehensive. You do get a sense for it being Sonny's initial reception of Act though, even as Act took early suspicion in the game. He didn't really "resist" that suspicion, but he put a bunch of nuggets into the thread to suggest her behavior was NAI. Kinda lame.

Green - These posts are defensive of or positive on Act. OC especially adopted a pro-Act stance at least for the initial portion of their play. I'll more to say about that in the red section.

Cyan - Sonny reviewed the Act/nutella interactions, found a weird progression, and couldn't say anything but "meh".

Red - These are statements of suspicion or anything that can be interpreted as such. Sonny's read on Act was pretty variable as one can see in the colors and doesn't seem to follow a tangible path beyond "what am I responding to?" -- Sonny's view of Act is dependent upon the questions or comments he encounters about Act. Not super groovy. The more significant reds to me though come from OC. We saw that OC opened the game with a clearly positive view of Act, but that sharply turns for the worse with OC's first red post.

FOLLOW THE TIME STAMPS.

dayvig Actv

sorry if yr town

OC's first negative review of Act came six minutes after Mac pulled this. As we'll see in the pink portion, OC seemed to think this was real or least that it could be real.

OC wanted to get out in front of Act flipping mafia. Terrible look. I can sympathize a bit, because for many games Mac's move is against the rules. But this is our game.

Blue - Also note a couple of instances of Act providing OC with gentle prompts to help get them involved. Kind, but also convenient.

Pink - Per the last one, OC was entertaining Mac's dayvig as real. Also note that they were trying to create a Mac/Act dichotomy, which to me is suggestive of a teammate among them (and given context it'd clearly be Act if either one).

Gonna post this half now in case there's discussion to be had. I also have to pee really bad. I'll look at Act's side of the story next.

i didn't actually read this post til just now.

Yup.

[Sloonei]

Ahh, nope. I'm wrong.

about?

I'd rather not say right now, if that is okay. Nothing exciting, I promise.

[Garden Gnome]

Guillotine would be a fun prospective poisoner.

I wish, imagine the kind of fun i would be having with that role, specially if it's a 3P poisoner.
I salivate to it.

That's exactly how I feel about being a modposter!!!!

Because you are a writer. Imagine those mod posts.

Yes, for sure I would have too much fun!

[Guillotine]

I just wanna say for the record that nearly every time I've had a vig shot in the last X years, I've announced it publicly and turned my decision into a cooperative effort, and I'm pretty sure this method has a 100% success rate. Friends don't let friends hero shoot.

I always hero shot. Always.

[MacDougall]

Day wagons. If Made is a hit the only person voting for not mafia thats alive is Actv.

Gotta feel like she wouldn't leave herself vulnerable to such obvious stuff.

Doubt Made/Act are a team based on it.

If the team is Made/Act they can't afford to bus.

On day 1 can they afford not to?

[Alison]

I just wanna say for the record that nearly every time I've had a vig shot in the last X years, I've announced it publicly and turned my decision into a cooperative effort, and I'm pretty sure this method has a 100% success rate. Friends don't let friends hero shoot.

I always hero shot. Always.

That's a terrible idea.

[Guillotine]

I just wanna say for the record that nearly every time I've had a vig shot in the last X years, I've announced it publicly and turned my decision into a cooperative effort, and I'm pretty sure this method has a 100% success rate. Friends don't let friends hero shoot.

I always hero shot. Always.

That's a terrible idea.

If you are a bad shot. I would have shot Nutella on Day 1 as desperado.

[Alison]

Uh huh.

[Guillotine]

Uh huh.

I even said that to her in the thread. She backed off after i said that.

[Guillotine]

I said that if i was a day vig i would shoot her right there and then.

[Alison]

Uh huh.

[Guillotine]

Uh huh.

I'm a great shot. “Duélale a quién le duela”.

[Seanzie]

Sonny has 155 posts. He made 139 of them before a mafioso flipped, and 16 of them after a mafioso flipped.

I think he is a candidate for demoralized mafia.

I think you might find it's worse than that. I think most of Sonny's posts occurred during the first half of d1 even.

1.) Mac responded here in less than a minute, so Mac seems hyper-aware of when Sonny was posting, even though I don't think he commented meaningfully about Sonny prior to this.

2.) Mac and Sonny are both Aussies. I'd have to look into time zones more carefully, but this wasn't far into D2, possibly not far enough into D2 to justify Mac responding to the inactivity of a fellow weird-timezone-er in this way.

[Seanzie]

Uhh.... can someone search "Sonny" in the first 5-6 pages of Mac's ISO and tell me your thoughts? Because I just quickly looked through pages 15-11 (the ISO is backwards, so this is D1 stuff), and uh... I need to know if this is as bad as I think it is, or if I'm just being tunnelly. Because it is bad.

[lost monkey]

Good kill, sorry for doubting you sloonei.

[Sloonei]

I do not think I am seeing what you're seeing, @Seanzie. But the following post is one that stood out to me in the early game as seeming like a bizarre and arbitrary objection from mac:

whatever this is all dumb lets chop made

[VOTE: made] aubergine

Do you actually scum read Jay?

And why Made?

Kinda feels like deflection here.

no I don't scum read Jay

do you intend to accuse everyone who introduces a new suspect as deflecting from somewhere arbitrary?

[Sloonei]

Good kill, sorry for doubting you sloonei.

how many more wolves are there and who are they?

[Seanzie]

you tryna defend ur woof mate?

Huh? I've no issue with Nutella being scum read, the minimal amount of Syndicate non-town reads is bothersome so have at it. I'm just struggling to tell when you're being serious and when you're joking. I'll get there, probably.

I am always doing both

Ah.

I have a feeling you may be my Cindy Kate date. Needless to say the date would just be trolling Americans for our own amusement. Good times.

are u aussie!?

Damn skippy.

crikey

This exchange though...

[Sloonei]

Huh? I've no issue with Nutella being scum read, the minimal amount of Syndicate non-town reads is bothersome so have at it. I'm just struggling to tell when you're being serious and when you're joking. I'll get there, probably.

I am always doing both

Ah.

I have a feeling you may be my Cindy Kate date. Needless to say the date would just be trolling Americans for our own amusement. Good times.

are u aussie!?

Damn skippy.

crikey

This exchange though...

Mac likes meeting other australians

[lost monkey]

Good kill, sorry for doubting you sloonei.

how many more wolves are there and who are they?

LOL 2 more i guess.

[lost monkey]

Good kill, sorry for doubting you sloonei.

how many more wolves are there and who are they?

LOL 2 more i guess.

one should be act and the other dont know.

[MacDougall]

Sonny has 155 posts. He made 139 of them before a mafioso flipped, and 16 of them after a mafioso flipped.

I think he is a candidate for demoralized mafia.

I think you might find it's worse than that. I think most of Sonny's posts occurred during the first half of d1 even.

1.) Mac responded here in less than a minute, so Mac seems hyper-aware of when Sonny was posting, even though I don't think he commented meaningfully about Sonny prior to this.

2.) Mac and Sonny are both Aussies. I'd have to look into time zones more carefully, but this wasn't far into D2, possibly not far enough into D2 to justify Mac responding to the inactivity of a fellow weird-timezone-er in this way.

I had observed that Sonny has fallen off in posting.

[MacDougall]

Huh? I've no issue with Nutella being scum read, the minimal amount of Syndicate non-town reads is bothersome so have at it. I'm just struggling to tell when you're being serious and when you're joking. I'll get there, probably.

I am always doing both

Ah.

I have a feeling you may be my Cindy Kate date. Needless to say the date would just be trolling Americans for our own amusement. Good times.

are u aussie!?

Damn skippy.

crikey

This exchange though...

What about it?

[MacDougall]

Uhh.... can someone search "Sonny" in the first 5-6 pages of Mac's ISO and tell me your thoughts? Because I just quickly looked through pages 15-11 (the ISO is backwards, so this is D1 stuff), and uh... I need to know if this is as bad as I think it is, or if I'm just being tunnelly. Because it is bad.

sure I can do that

[MacDougall]

Complete. Mac is town and spewed clear from every dead wolf as is normal.