PSY 2310 - Cognitive Psychology [END]

[Gavial]

if gav is town my desire to kill alison rises exponentially

Why?
Stop doing the “this is TvW”
When it can easily be “TvT”

It’s only heavy interactions that become “TvW” and i have none of those with Alison for Alison to be wolf.

[Gavial]

it's mostly the vibes i get from hally and alison on that page
they control like 60% of the page's posts and they dont really interact at all

also the second bit
dya is on alison
galvial is on dya
tan and arete crossvoting
hally pushing seth

it justs feels like most of the poe is attacking the poe, whereas i'd expect the stronger villagers in the poe to have a significantly different perspective but that doesn't seem to be the case
whether it's w/w or wolves attacking the lhf in the poe i'm not sure yet

Yeah I think wolves are just highly going for the most easy ML’s here so just watch out for that if I die today.

[Gavial]

wheres your head at dya,

some sort of tier/reads list would be nice?

my head is at annoyed that I can't play a game with friends without being told that my way of playing is shitty, anti-town, or wolfy

Villa
Tangy

Villa Lean
Amy
c4

Don't know where to place
nutella
visor

W lean
Gavial
alison

W

Your readslist is fuckin shit!

[outed wolf]

wheres your head at dya,

some sort of tier/reads list would be nice?

my head is at annoyed that I can't play a game with friends without being told that my way of playing is shitty, anti-town, or wolfy

Villa
Tangy

Villa Lean
Amy
c4

Don't know where to place
nutella
visor

W lean
Gavial
alison

W

Your readslist is fuckin shit!

Was this truly necessary?

Good lord

[Dyslexicon]

@Gavial If you're town, please scum hunt and give reads from your own perspective. Much more constructive than arguing against other people's reads!

Now is your chance to shine!

[c4e5g3d5]

dya v for thinking the scumreads on them are unfair

Why do you think this? Your takes have been fine so far, but this one stands out as unjustified to me.

Because correct scumreads aren't unfair duh. Apparently everything is NAI meta though.

Anyone acting like anyone's treatment of Seth is unaligning in any way is silly. He's fucked, plain and simple, and his partners can treat him however the hell they want to because it's all inconsequential. Does anyone really think anyone else thinks there's pelt cred there?

The converse, though?

maybe stop trying to tell me how to play a light fucking game

Someone tell me if dya has any kind of history taking criticism to their wolf game personally

^
Dya

I don't care about dya today at all unless someone has a real silver bullet of a case on them.

[dyachei]

wheres your head at dya,

some sort of tier/reads list would be nice?

my head is at annoyed that I can't play a game with friends without being told that my way of playing is shitty, anti-town, or wolfy

Villa
Tangy

Villa Lean
Amy
c4

Don't know where to place
nutella
visor

W lean
Gavial
alison

W

ngl i half expected w!you to wolfread me like you do in mashes when you're a wolf
no read on me at all kinda surprises me

I don't think I've noticed much of your posting

[c4e5g3d5]

Oh and spf's town lol

[Gavial]

@dyachei
Why do you SR me exactly?
Is it because of my hair?

[dyachei]

@dyachei
Why do you SR me exactly?
Is it because of my hair?

it's because compared to the town game that alison linked of yours, you're not playing the game or making any reads

[Gavial]

@Gavial If you're town, please scum hunt and give reads from your own perspective. Much more constructive than arguing against other people's reads!

Now is your chance to shine!

I’m busy.

[Gavial]

@dyachei
Why do you SR me exactly?
Is it because of my hair?

it's because compared to the town game that alison linked of yours, you're not playing the game or making any reads

That’s your only reason?

[Gavial]

I mean I’m playing it allot of games

[Dyslexicon]

@Gavial If you're town, please scum hunt and give reads from your own perspective. Much more constructive than arguing against other people's reads!

Now is your chance to shine!

I’m busy.

You're not too busy to call out thy everyone is scum reading you or calling their reads shit.
You're just too busy to give any takes of your own.

Duly noted.

[dyachei]

@dyachei
Why do you SR me exactly?
Is it because of my hair?

it's because compared to the town game that alison linked of yours, you're not playing the game or making any reads

That’s your only reason?

it's wolfy af

i don't really care that you're playing a lot of games, maybe you shouldn't until you know how to manage your time

[Marluxion]

[VOTE: Gavial] aubergine

[dyachei]

{vote]gavial[/vote]

[Marluxion]

okay that was easy

[Gavial]

Yeah it’s not really hard to vote a VT guys.

[Gavial]

Don’t push Alison though please.
Probably Town.
Better to push Dya.

[dyachei]

Don’t push Alison though please.
Probably Town.
Better to push Dya.

I'm guessing your case on me is OMGUS

[c4e5g3d5]

Don’t push Alison though please.
Probably Town.
Better to push Dya.

If Seth v then Alison w dya v

[Gavial]

You know what in my next game I think I’ll play completely differently and play how I play when I’m playing an annyomonus game where I go try hard and actually play where people don’t get annoyed of me and I actually have better reads and post allot more content.

[dyachei]

You know what in my next game I think I’ll play completely differently and play how I play when I’m playing an annyomonus game where I go try hard and actually play where people don’t get annoyed of me and I actually have better reads and post allot more content.

just a thought but maybe your attitude this game has a lot to do with people getting annoyed at you

[Gavial]

Plus when I play like that I can usually tell if I’m pushing Town or Mafia.
Although when I play like that I try and not be 200% confident in a read when I ain’t always am.

[Marluxion]

Seth, you have forgotten me. You have forgotten yourself and so forgotten me. Look inside yourself Seth. You are more than what you have become. You must find your place in the chop chop method. Remember who you are. You are my son and the one true king. Remember... who you are...

[Gavial]

Seth, you have forgotten me. You have forgotten yourself and so forgotten me. Look inside yourself Seth. You are more than what you have become. You must find your place in the chop chop method. Remember who you are. You are my son and the one true king. Remember... who you are...

Nah not this game.
I’ll go try hard in my next one though.
You won’t even notice it’s me.

[Vulgard]

These posts look like openwolfing fmpov. Everything past this point is likely antispew. Assuming he hasn't been in antispew from the start.

I hate posting on mobile. I was going to do a few ISOs but doing it on phone SUCKS.

[Vulgard]

I've liked Dizzy's recent posting a fair bit now that they are talking about the game (though I still townread their play on principle before). I'd point to specific examples from their ISO but it's one of the things that sucks to do on mobile. Remind me to do it later if anybody's interested.

[Vulgard]

Marl and dya voting Gavial in the exact same moment makes them partners deciding to commit and bus Gavial. Trust.

[Gavial]

Marl and dya voting Gavial in the exact same moment makes them partners deciding to commit and bus Gavial. Trust.

I’m town so

[Dyslexicon]

I've liked Dizzy's recent posting a fair bit now that they are talking about the game (though I still townread their play on principle before). I'd point to specific examples from their ISO but it's one of the things that sucks to do on mobile. Remind me to do it later if anybody's interested.

Just say you love and adore me, it's enough.

[Marluxion]

Marl and dya voting Gavial in the exact same moment makes them partners deciding to commit and bus Gavial. Trust.

That would be sick but i dont think dyachei and i have ever rolled the same alignment to my memory

[Vulgard]

There is no love. I am an empty shell.

I am the bone of my sword.
Steel is my body, and fire is my blood.
I have created over a thousand blades.
Unknown to Death,
Nor known to Life.
Have withstood pain to create many weapons.
Yet, those hands will never hold anything.
So, as I pray, Unlimited Blade Works.

[dyachei]

Marl and dya voting Gavial in the exact same moment makes them partners deciding to commit and bus Gavial. Trust.

That would be sick but i dont think dyachei and i have ever rolled the same alignment to my memory

we have. at least in some mash

[Hally]

i’m gonna sponge vulgard on arete since i mostly liked their posts anyway

and i would say i’m sponging arete on vulgard but he was obvious even without that

so that’s two villas locked in

[Hally]

page 13 especially gives me extreme wolves-trying-to-look-towny vibes
the way the entire poe turned on each other rather than outward makes me feel like our PoE is either mostly correct or completely wrong

it's mostly the vibes i get from hally and alison on that page
they control like 60% of the page's posts and they dont really interact at all

also the second bit
dya is on alison
galvial is on dya
tan and arete crossvoting
hally pushing seth

it justs feels like most of the poe is attacking the poe, whereas i'd expect the stronger villagers in the poe to have a significantly different perspective but that doesn't seem to be the case
whether it's w/w or wolves attacking the lhf in the poe i'm not sure yet

stuff like this gave me v!marl vibes

i think as a wolf he tends to play more straightforwardly and doesn’t usually have these pepe silvia theories about the gamestate as a whole

i can see the gears turning here, so to speak

up to this point i wasn’t completely sold on marl v even though i was leaning that way but with his recent posting i’m gonna say he’s probably a villager

[Hally]

i’m keeping my vote on gavial

if he’s a villager that decided to not play the game and then lolcat with words and post stuff indistinguishable from anti-spew i can live with being wrong and will just say lolseth then move on with my life

i don’t want 48 more hours of whatever this is

[Vulgard]

This is a day 1 Gavial yeet.

I'm confident he's a wolf.

Who do you NOT read town?

[nutella]

Wait vulgard, how did you only quote the posts where I didn't explain and none of the posts where I did?

I think both alison and gav are independently wolfy. I think if alison is a wolf, gav is probably villa because of the whiteknighting that she's kind of sort of doing

I'm not really sure why that's hard to understand?

and nutella why would my "wolf agenda" ever be pushing alison when I know she's a hard elim to make happen?

maybe because you think it looks good, even if you can't stop gav from going over you have tried to push an original suspect

I see you've moved your vote to gav since, but the length of time your vote was parked on alison while you danced around a gav suspicion was concerning to me

it's really getting old that people think they should dictate how I play the game. I play on my own terms with my own style. I guess if you don't like it, that's tough for you

????

who is doing that

[nutella]

I also think gavial is treating dya the way he treats wolf partners

Again sorry about the rand if that's the case, just unlucky

[Tangrowth]

what do you think of dya spf, specifically (not like you agree with arguments others make, whats your interpretation.thoughts on their posts)

i feel like dyachei came into this game with pre-packaged stances, and has spent the entirety of today reiterating them. their reads are reasonable and they come from a perspective that is logical for a villager to have - i just feel like something is missing wrt their reads developing and changing in a fluid way. dyachei's strongest townread is on tangygrowth, a read that was initially just described as tangy being "pure", and read that was later expanded upon to include the reasoning of: "her wallpost contained a lot of detail that wolves wouldn't think to write"

and like, yes, i agree that tangy is towny, but i don't feel like dyachei went on a ~journey~ to figure tangy out. i don't feel like dyachei went on a ~journey~ to figure alison out. their reads just kind of pop into existence, and i can't find any "turning points" in their ISO for when a read might have developed more strongly or more confidently. the surface level stuff is there, and it definitely looks good, but i just don't feel like the internal thought processes that villagers tend to have are reflected in dyachei's reads so far. they feel much more point A to point B to me

i've been struggling w/my read on dyachei because i greatly dislike the idea of pushing on them when theyre a villager, and i mindmelded with them earlier about c4 being villagery, but i've been getting pinged by them for a little while now

I'm struggling with dya similarly, my gut says they're town but I think I need to understand the journey more too. That's not necessarily on them, but yeah.

[nutella]

wheres your head at dya,

some sort of tier/reads list would be nice?

my head is at annoyed that I can't play a game with friends without being told that my way of playing is shitty, anti-town, or wolfy

Villa
Tangy

Villa Lean
Amy
c4

Don't know where to place
nutella
visor

W lean
Gavial
alison

W

Your readslist is fuckin shit!

Sigh

Case in point

[Tangrowth]

dyslexicon is posting how i post when i begrudgingly join a game because the player list looks fun, rand town, decide to just mess around, then find myself actually trying to solve things because i cant help myself and kinda hate myself for it a little but its too late im in now

gut reaction to this was its a series of posts a wolf makes because they think itll look towny

These were the two posts that pinged me from sunbae. I don't feel like sunbae is interested in these reads and just wanted to toss them out and move on. Compare this to their SPF read which they went in depth to and went back and forth with SPF about. I also don't really agree with the basis of the reads, insofar as I don't really get the impression sunbae's playstyle is similar enough to Dizzy's to really draw direct comparisons between their town entrances like that, and I definitely don't agree with the shade on Marl because I think Marl has been pretty townie and those posts aren't reflective of his scum play at all.

The other thing that bothers me about sunbae was their willingness to just let go of something they found townie about me once other people started scumreading me. If it was a gut or meta read, I could see it, but they had a fairly convoluted thought process/logic behind why they townread me, and they just went "oh well, everyone else hates her, I guess I'll throw that logic away".

sunbae isn't egregiously wolfy, but I've been pinged by at least a couple of their takes and I think they deserve more scrutiny.

I feel better about Alison after this.

[Tangrowth]

Let's please refrain from anything but respect for each other and each other's effort.

[Marluxion]

i think there are non zero worlds where seth is a villager
but he is way >>>rand wolf and in the worlds where he is a villager this d1 will get him voted in lylo every single time anyway if he doesn't die today

[Tangrowth]

i think that nutella, marluxion, vulgard, amy, tangy, and c4 is a pool of names that has one wolf maximum. that's my village core for today. starting to feel less confident with my solving in the people outside of that core, but this is a fine start

I'm with you, not quite there on Marl and Amy but I don't want to yeet either of them either or anything.

Do you want to talk to me about Zack or Visor? I feel like I may need some help with those despite being okay with Zack earlier.

[Tangrowth]

My hottest take after those pages is that Dya/Alison is v/v. I think Dya truly believes that Alison is a wolf for the way she's handled Gav and the other game. I also believe that Alison strongly believes that Gav is town. And these two thoughts are clashing past each other. I also think I entirely follow Dya's reasoning for pressing Alison over Gav and it's not some sinister "parters with Gav" thing where she's calling Gav a wolf but pushing Alison first. I think Dya is pushing Alison first because she thinks regardless of Gav's role, Alison is full of it here (either as teammates defending or as a wolf with tmi) and is more likely to flip W.

I feel ... medium ... confident about it

I agree with this take.

(Maybe I should be multiquoting right now, but I have very limited time to spend on mafia before EoD, so I guess it's okay.)

[Tangrowth]

i could get used to this pacing of games tbh

people not wall posting like crazy, still plenty of stuff in the thread

This has been an incredibly pleasant experience so far, despite any tension or other things that were said, and I agree with the pace. I would love to play another game like this with any combination of you all another time.

[dyachei]

Wait vulgard, how did you only quote the posts where I didn't explain and none of the posts where I did?

I think both alison and gav are independently wolfy. I think if alison is a wolf, gav is probably villa because of the whiteknighting that she's kind of sort of doing

I'm not really sure why that's hard to understand?

and nutella why would my "wolf agenda" ever be pushing alison when I know she's a hard elim to make happen?

maybe because you think it looks good, even if you can't stop gav from going over you have tried to push an original suspect

I see you've moved your vote to gav since, but the length of time your vote was parked on alison while you danced around a gav suspicion was concerning to me

it's really getting old that people think they should dictate how I play the game. I play on my own terms with my own style. I guess if you don't like it, that's tough for you

????

who is doing that

you did to a degree when you bitched about me wasting posts and how anxiety inducing that was.

I moved to gavial because the more he posts the more i think he's a wolf. I think there's a world where alison is a wolf and gav is villa though

alison's posts have really skeeved me out and I'm sorry that's apparently a problem for you