Baby Mafia (TOWN WIN)

[Millium]

Ohh it's cause I submitted nothing to see the VC
@Syn
[VOTE: Tess] aubergine

[Millium]

Wish I had known this poll would actually lock my vote if I submitted nothing

[Syn]

Votes EOD4

Spoiler: show

Alison
No votes

falcon45ca
No votes

Gavial
No votes

Gira
No votes

Mizery
No votes

tessepia
4
Voters: Mizery, Gira, falcon45ca, Wisp

Wisp
No votes

[Sleep]
No votes

@tessepia has been eliminated. They flip EVIL BABY. They were a roleblocker.

You have 23 hours to submit night actions. D5 will begin October 6 at 12:00 PM PDT.

[Syn]

@falcon45ca was killed. They were a BABY. They had no abilities.

D5 has begun. You have 48 hours to determine the next elimination.

Spoiler: show

@Gira
@Alison
@Mizery
@Gavial
@Wisp

[Syn]

IT IS LYLO. VOTES ARE LOCKED.

[Syn]

IT IS LYLO. VOTES ARE LOCKED.

Also, the vote-lock feature prevents you from changing your vote if you view the results of the poll first. I would recommend viewing the poll in another browser if you need to see the tally.

[Millium]

Alison
Gavial
Gira
Mizery
Wisp

[Alison]

You know what I really like about mafia?

I really like it when people quickhammer while I am explicitly in the middle of asking two people to give me more arguments about each other and haven't made up my mind yet and then quickhammer the NEXT day phase for no fucking reason 15 minutes into the day.

[Alison]

If you all are gonna just troll the game then I'm not gonna take it seriously any more. From now on my votes are only going on people who quickhammered/allowed scum to quickhammer.

@Mizery
@Wisp

That means you two. If you're town, then you're going to lose and I'm not gonna care because you guys want to lose as far as I'm concerned.

[Alison]

[VOTE: Mizery] aubergine

[Millium]

you are nuts, and how am i trolling
I unvoted when I realized Ender was in hammer range
having seeing mizery's post, explain to me, how that works at all with what was clearly the agenda
and not only that, its extremely doubtful that ender wasn't dying either way
not to mention your reasoning for voting Ender and mine were the same

like its hard for me to believe this post is real from you

I reread all the isos over night, trying to find anything, this is a hard game for me
I am not trolling

[Millium]

if anyone is forcibly trolling its Mizery
and I still have 0 idea how that plays into their alignment

[Millium]

imagine gloating about experience and voting in lylo like this
crazy

[Millium]

idk how Syn handles lylos
but I would think if town voted town
he would just end the game already

so its clear that one of Alison or Mizery is a wolf

[Mizery]

Hi wtf

Im at work but eithet alison is scum or scum just needs to get on and quickhammer

Whos visitef so far

[Mizery]

idk how Syn handles lylos
but I would think if town voted town
he would just end the game already

so its clear that one of Alison or Mizery is a wolf

Is it standard to just end like that?

[Millium]

Hi wtf

Im at work but eithet alison is scum or scum just needs to get on and quickhammer

Whos visitef so far

what

[Mizery]

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

[Mizery]

Hi wtf

Im at work but eithet alison is scum or scum just needs to get on and quickhammer

Whos visitef so far

what

I didnt realize that the game would just end if town misvoted

[Millium]

idk how Syn handles lylos
but I would think if town voted town
he would just end the game already

so its clear that one of Alison or Mizery is a wolf

Is it standard to just end like that?

I mean some sites don't, some do
but like I don't see why if this was a case of T/T
the host just forces us to wait and doesn't just end the game, since votes are locked
and there is no coming from from a town voting a town in locked lylo

[Millium]

There is no coming back from a town voting a town in locked lylo*
The game is over at that point

Edwop

[Millium]

wolf!Mizery didnt even need to do anything in the scenario yesterday
because Ender was already at hammer range, with Tess being off wagon
if anything, seeing Mizery's post while I was at work, and realizing what I had done
I unvoted, and either before or after, I even mentioned how the roleblocker is this scenario makes 0 sense
and before I could talk about it, he was brought back to hammer range
which honestly im dumb for not realizing how bad that was, ohh well, you live and you learn

1. There is no reason for me to unvote Ender if I am a wolf for Tess
2. and there is 0 reason for me to drop that post on being confused by wtf the roleblocker is doing here

[Gira]

hi

posting to confirm the game isn't over yet

[Alison]

you are nuts, and how am i trolling
I unvoted when I realized Ender was in hammer range
having seeing mizery's post, explain to me, how that works at all with what was clearly the agenda
and not only that, its extremely doubtful that ender wasn't dying either way
not to mention your reasoning for voting Ender and mine were the same

like its hard for me to believe this post is real from you

I reread all the isos over night, trying to find anything, this is a hard game for me
I am not trolling

You quickhammered tess

[Millium]

ohh u are talking about Tess, sorry
ya I did, because nobody else was probably going to talk, maybe you were
and I have today and tomorrow off

[Alison]

ohh u are talking about Tess, sorry
ya I did, because nobody else was probably going to talk, maybe you were
and I have today and tomorrow off

Town had 48 hours to discuss and you quickhammered 15 minutes without letting anyone else weigh in

[Millium]

its not like the main two problems
Mizery, or Gira were going to do anything
and the day ending early, doesn't stop you from looking at what you want to look at
or preparing questions

[Millium]

ohh u are talking about Tess, sorry
ya I did, because nobody else was probably going to talk, maybe you were
and I have today and tomorrow off

Town had 48 hours to discuss and you quickhammered 15 minutes without letting anyone else weigh in

3 people voted and dipped, not my problem

[Gira]

in general the reactive quickvote comes more often from town, although i don't doubt alison can fake that, lean towards it being genuine. initial impression, need to do a reread still like i've been putting off.

there's a very easy narrative from my POV toward mizery-scum here but i don't want to fall into convenient thinking

[Millium]

what was Gavial going to do?
tunnel you the entirety of the day
what were your plans?

being mad at mizery for being a troll?

[Alison]

its not like the main two problems
Mizery, or Gira were going to do anything
and the day ending early, doesn't stop you from looking at what you want to look at
or preparing questions

I wanted to talk to people and map things out in the thread. The day was hammered 15 minutes in before I had the chance to even speak.

[Millium]

in general the reactive quickvote comes more often from town, although i don't doubt alison can fake that, lean towards it being genuine. initial impression, need to do a reread still like i've been putting off.

there's a very easy narrative from my POV toward mizery-scum here but i don't want to fall into convenient thinking

you say that, but I don't think this game is winnable if me and Alison are town
so /shrug

[Gira]

i'm used to minimizing discussion on a day where the elimination is decided by default and no one is a clear-cut target for the night kill. way i was handling was i'd rather wait and see who died overnight and figure things out from there

apologies if the standard operating procedure is different

[Alison]

You can defend your decision to make an endgame day phase last 15 minutes with whatever excuses you want. If you are town you have lost because of that decision. If you make choices accept the consequences. If someone self votes and says "vote me out!" I'll gladly oblige them. If someone runs it down in LyLo I'll gladly oblige them too.

[Millium]

its not like the main two problems
Mizery, or Gira were going to do anything
and the day ending early, doesn't stop you from looking at what you want to look at
or preparing questions

I wanted to talk to people and map things out in the thread. The day was hammered 15 minutes in before I had the chance to even speak.

and if Gavial had chosen to hammer, what then?
people shouldn't have put him into hammer range
but mizery/gira/falcon all jumped in, voted, and than dipped

[Millium]

You can defend your decision to make an endgame day phase last 15 minutes with whatever excuses you want. If you are town you have lost because of that decision. If you make choices accept the consequences. If someone self votes and says "vote me out!" I'll gladly oblige them. If someone runs it down in LyLo I'll gladly oblige them too.

I think we already lost if we are both town either way
Gira/Mizery/Falcon
were barely using their time anyways
and we all know gavial was going to do

[Alison]

in general the reactive quickvote comes more often from town, although i don't doubt alison can fake that, lean towards it being genuine. initial impression, need to do a reread still like i've been putting off.

there's a very easy narrative from my POV toward mizery-scum here but i don't want to fall into convenient thinking

you say that, but I don't think this game is winnable if me and Alison are town
so /shrug

The game isn't winnable if Gavial is town.

It probably isn't winnable if Gavial is scum either.

I am beyond giving a crap about this. I have been griefed at EOD on D1, D3 and D4.

[Millium]

see you lose me at, "Griefed day 3""

[Gira]

i feel like i'm equally to blame here because if i had known the expectation was to draw the day out i wouldn't have voted but i don't think inattention to procedure especially on a day like yesterday is at all a good reason to make a game-deciding vote

[Alison]

First we have the townie who refuses to vote on either wagon at EOD knowing full well that is scummy as fuck and then melts down so hard the following day he gets modkilled.

Then we have the quickhammer 24 hours through the day on a critical 50-50 between the parity cop and the mafia roleblocker right after I said I wanted to hear more arguments from both sides.

Then we have the quickhammer 15 minutes into the day the following day.

I am tolerant of wrong townies. I think the Dizzy wagon was silly but idc that people were on it. I was wrong on LC myself. The three things highlighted above were objective unforced errors that should never have been allowed to happen.

I wash my hands of this game.

Congrats to scum, you guys deserve the win.

[Gira]

wisp's vote especially is ultimately a formality, at that point in time. tess could have selfhammered at any moment. it didn't matter.

[Millium]

wisp's vote especially is ultimately a formality, at that point in time. tess could have selfhammered at any moment. it didn't matter.

ohh ya that is a good point

[Millium]

wisp's vote especially is ultimately a formality, at that point in time. tess could have selfhammered at any moment. it didn't matter.

ohh ya that is a good point

[Gira]

i know i've been afk a lot but does mizery really have almost twice as many posts as me despite doing like nothing to my recollection

[Millium]

i know i've been afk a lot but does mizery really have almost twice as many posts as me despite doing like nothing to my recollection

yes, most of the previous day and even the day before, just felt like forced trolling

[Alison]

see you lose me at, "Griefed day 3""

Day 3 was the day Ender was voted out.

It was halfway through the day and I was still talking to both of them and when I turn away from the game a hammer occurs behind my back.

We don't know if Ender had arguments that could have saved the game or swayed people to vote Tess. There is no reason not to give him that 24 hours to explain himself.

It is griefing.

When people do something that has all downside and no upside whatsoever and it might well have cost the game, I consider that to be gamethrowing.

[Millium]

ya and I unvoted there, knowing my mistake, that was my bad for not reading the wagons better
and then Mizery trolled us

[Gira]

if gavial and alison is T/T the game is almost certainly lost anyway but i had started to get the inkling on day 2 that i was being overly generous in my reading, although i guess time will tell

[Alison]

I hope Gavial is scum so he can continue his redemption arc.

[Alison]

I hope Gavial is scum so he can continue his redemption arc.