Fleabag Mafia mafia win

[Dolby]

Oh and by the way, I was kinda thinkin' about this earlier.

Isn't it better for the fruit vendor to claim right away? Basically an IC, yeah? Could have me (the watcher) go on 'em too. I know it's delayed mechanics and all, but still useful as long as I'm not killed.

And for everyone's efforts on this page, I'm gonna slap a small townread on all of you good folk right away. I'm warning ya though, my mind changes easily, but gettin' good vibes from this crowd. I like Jimmy's idea too, about Stayposi being naturally on guard about his early buddy-buddy with her. He seems like a good player, so I think her being naturally curious about all of that is pretty nice as far as ground zero reads go.

Hate this post, I’m always against claiming earlier especially d1

Weird callout. Especially since Anarch already established themselves as pro-mech claim where they claimed watcher. Just takes the call for fruit vendor to claim, which isn't bad, and strips away a past context which makes it look better.

Townreads Dizzy

Don't care about the response to the SPF stuff.

Also son of arch is just doing a very obvious omgus and salty that I disagree with others on his town rwae

would have to read for context

Basically the whole ISO is being defensive and talking about Anarch. I strongly dislike the sus on Anarch from sig, nor do I like that beyond the Dizzy toneread it's the only thing he's put out. There is space to improve since he hasn't backread but does not look good.

[Dolby]

Marmot went UTR since he has posts and I don't remember reading them before

[Sloonei]

I have deliberately avoid sharing an explicit read on Jay this game, as has become my habit lately, because so often people will just wait for me to give my thoughts on him and then sheep whatever I say, and I don't like what that does to the thread climate if it happens too early. We have played a bazillion mafia games together and are actually the same person.

I say this not to protest Dolby's suggestion that The Triad is too confident in each other, rather to emphasize that that perceived confidence is not without reason. There's a long history here, at least between Jay and I.

I have only known SPF since last year's champs tournament, but we were in multiple games together and discovered that we also tend to perceive the game along similar lines there. So there is again a strong degree of familiarity with her approach, in that it is noticeable and significant when our thoughts align early on.

[Dolby]

Marmot is just w/e

The only things that I care about are the LC and Sloonei SRs and I don't think that either are scummy

[Sloonei]

Marmot does not usually get super involved on Day 1, if old habits have not changed.

[Dolby]

Still haven't read fully. Sloonei, do you have any ISO suggestions or nah?

I hear ya on the triad, but frankly I think that the level of confidence is to high

[Sloonei]

Still haven't read fully. Sloonei, do you have any ISO suggestions or nah?

I hear ya on the triad, but frankly I think that the level of confidence is to high

It’s also Day 1 and I would compulsively re-examine everyone if things go south for any extended stretch of the game.

How about a Son of Anarch ISO if you haven’t already?

[Marmot]

I'm tired and don't want to read 400 posts.

Who wants to chat?

[Marmot]

Marmot is just w/e

The only things that I care about are the LC and Sloonei SRs and I don't think that either are scummy

You scumread them, but you don't?

[Marmot]

Marmot does not usually get super involved on Day 1, if old habits have not changed.

That's pretty accurate, but probably more accurate in jobs than in heists and rackets where I have a difficult time keeping track of everyone.

[Dolby]

Marmot is just w/e

The only things that I care about are the LC and Sloonei SRs and I don't think that either are scummy

You scumread them, but you don't?

I don't scumread either

What I meant is that the scumreads from you aren't scummy. Ie. I don't think that they come from a scum mindset.

[Sloonei]

I'm tired and don't want to read 400 posts.

Who wants to chat?

How’s this game feeling so far?

[Marmot]

Marmot is just w/e

The only things that I care about are the LC and Sloonei SRs and I don't think that either are scummy

You scumread them, but you don't?

I don't scumread either

What I meant is that the scumreads from you aren't scummy. Ie. I don't think that they come from a scum mindset.

Erm, my scumread of Sloonei was a joke and I walked back my initial ping regarding Lime Coke. I thought I'd stated both of those things in the thread (definitely the latter, and I believe yes on the former). Why don't you find them coming from a scum mindset?

I have no updates on either read at this moment.

[Sloonei]

Marmot is just w/e

The only things that I care about are the LC and Sloonei SRs and I don't think that either are scummy

You scumread them, but you don't?

I don't scumread either

What I meant is that the scumreads from you aren't scummy. Ie. I don't think that they come from a scum mindset.

Why not?

[Marmot]

I'm tired and don't want to read 400 posts.

Who wants to chat?

How’s this game feeling so far?

I left the thread ~24 hours ago with no inkling of a scumteam and a couple light townreads and that hasn't changed.

Yourself?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Is Dolby my seventh town read?

Maybe.

[Dolby]

Marmot is just w/e

The only things that I care about are the LC and Sloonei SRs and I don't think that either are scummy

You scumread them, but you don't?

I don't scumread either

What I meant is that the scumreads from you aren't scummy. Ie. I don't think that they come from a scum mindset.

Erm, my scumread of Sloonei was a joke and I walked back my initial ping regarding Lime Coke. I thought I'd stated both of those things in the thread (definitely the latter, and I believe yes on the former). Why don't you find them coming from a scum mindset?

I have no updates on either read at this moment.

You walking on LC doesn't matter to me. You had it at one point.

I took this to be that you were seriousish about Sloonei

Sloonei: I'd vote for responding to a joke post with an deadpan question.

Wait where did he do that at?

My reason for voting him is also a joke.

But I'm talking about this exchange.


The reason I'd stated interest in voting for LC was that when I first joined the thread, you'd been pretty quick in responding to my posts, but took much longer to respond to my question asking about scumreads. But I also see that you were interacting with someone else, and your response is agreeable in the sense that I believe what you said, so I'm willing to walk that back for now.

Marmot is just w/e

The only things that I care about are the LC and Sloonei SRs and I don't think that either are scummy

You scumread them, but you don't?

I don't scumread either

What I meant is that the scumreads from you aren't scummy. Ie. I don't think that they come from a scum mindset.

Why not?

Just don't think either is a scummy read.

He didn't feel that you vibed well for a reason, and LC taking a long time implies that he wasn't thinking about how he felt on who at the time, which could be a natural concern.

[Dolby]

I'm gonna ignore any followup until I'm done with Anarch

[Sloonei]

I'm tired and don't want to read 400 posts.

Who wants to chat?

How’s this game feeling so far?

I left the thread ~24 hours ago with no inkling of a scumteam and a couple light townreads and that hasn't changed.

Yourself?

I’ve been able to hover around all day today and I feel pretty good about a relatively large group of town reads. I lack any definitive suspects though, and would like to actually have a tangible suspicion against somebody as we crawl toward the deadline.

[Marmot]

I have deliberately avoid sharing an explicit read on Jay this game, as has become my habit lately, because so often people will just wait for me to give my thoughts on him and then sheep whatever I say, and I don't like what that does to the thread climate if it happens too early. We have played a bazillion mafia games together and are actually the same person.

I say this not to protest Dolby's suggestion that The Triad is too confident in each other, rather to emphasize that that perceived confidence is not without reason. There's a long history here, at least between Jay and I.

I have only known SPF since last year's champs tournament, but we were in multiple games together and discovered that we also tend to perceive the game along similar lines there. So there is again a strong degree of familiarity with her approach, in that it is noticeable and significant when our thoughts align early on.

So you are confident in JJJ, but not offering a read on him? I'm gathering also that there is a triad of you/JJJ/SPF that have become an unstoppable cohesive unit?

[Marmot]

If that's the case, I'm willing to ignore that triad Day 1 and readdress later with more information.

[Marmot]

Bu ignore, I mean ignore thinking about voting, not ignore all content.

[Marmot]

I'm tired and don't want to read 400 posts.

Who wants to chat?

How’s this game feeling so far?

I left the thread ~24 hours ago with no inkling of a scumteam and a couple light townreads and that hasn't changed.

Yourself?

I’ve been able to hover around all day today and I feel pretty good about a relatively large group of town reads. I lack any definitive suspects though, and would like to actually have a tangible suspicion against somebody as we crawl toward the deadline.

Suspect me, I dare you.

[Marmot]

Why are you voting for me Sloon?

Same question to you @staypositivefriend?

[Sloonei]

I have deliberately avoid sharing an explicit read on Jay this game, as has become my habit lately, because so often people will just wait for me to give my thoughts on him and then sheep whatever I say, and I don't like what that does to the thread climate if it happens too early. We have played a bazillion mafia games together and are actually the same person.

I say this not to protest Dolby's suggestion that The Triad is too confident in each other, rather to emphasize that that perceived confidence is not without reason. There's a long history here, at least between Jay and I.

I have only known SPF since last year's champs tournament, but we were in multiple games together and discovered that we also tend to perceive the game along similar lines there. So there is again a strong degree of familiarity with her approach, in that it is noticeable and significant when our thoughts align early on.

So you are confident in JJJ, but not offering a read on him? I'm gathering also that there is a triad of you/JJJ/SPF that have become an unstoppable cohesive unit?

Dolby referred to the three of us as the “triad”, and that is what I am responding to here.

I don’t like to share my read on Jay too early in games because I feel like people give it too much weight when I do. I want the game to progress more naturally, both for him and everyone else.

There has been no need for me to announce a town read on him in this game anyway.

[Sloonei]

Why are you voting for me Sloon?

Same question to you @staypositivefriend?

Poll diversity. You have not earned a town read yet, but you have not been a big topic of discussion either.

[Sloonei]

I'm tired and don't want to read 400 posts.

Who wants to chat?

How’s this game feeling so far?

I left the thread ~24 hours ago with no inkling of a scumteam and a couple light townreads and that hasn't changed.

Yourself?

I’ve been able to hover around all day today and I feel pretty good about a relatively large group of town reads. I lack any definitive suspects though, and would like to actually have a tangible suspicion against somebody as we crawl toward the deadline.

Suspect me, I dare you.

Why should I?

[Marmot]

jaggedjimmyjay
sloonei
dyslexicon
sonofanarch
illario
lime coke
notanaxehole
dolby
johanna
g-man
falcon
TSP
marmot
sig

rough snapshot of where my brain is at. i feel good about jagged/sloonei/dizzy/sonofanarch being villagers, and in a world where there is a wolf within these names, i believe that it would only be one. i townread limecoke/illario as well - i think that limecoke has consistently gotten more and more villagery as the day has gone on, and i think that illario has been villagery from the moment the game started - the only reason he isn't in my "confident town" tier is because i know how strong his wolf game is, and how bad i can be at reading him lol

falcon has made no impression on me so far. TSP is mildly wolfy solely because his posts don't make sense to me.

marmot is low in my list because as much as i love the GIF in https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 76#p855876, i think the way marmot talks about TSP feels overly hedgy/cautious. sig is low in my list for obvious reasons

i do not think this is The Solve, and looking at this list more, i actually suspect i'm misreading someone in my list of towns (perhaps i should be taking a closer look at my read on Son Of Anarch - i wrote him off as town almost immediately when i have no idea what his range is like or how competent of a wolf he is), but i think it's a good enough place to start. current feeling is that there's a wolf or two in the bottom 4 names and then another wolf or two in the zero posters, and then one final wolf in the upper tier. that might an overtly convoluted way to explain my reads, but it's just how i'm looking at the game rn

AMA

Your list of suspects is kinda standard Syndicate LHF.

[Dolby]

Watcher claim and encouraging Fruit Vendor to out are kinda towny.

staypositiveffiend
Sloonei

TonyStarkPrime

Son of Anarch

More people please

Being concerned about others read on you. Bad look

Susses LC for piggybacking JJJ. A good look that they both had similar thoughts towards the slot.

Having a catchup post is towny and I'd rather crash than read it

I think that the TSP vote is unnatural coming from scum and moving against a potential pocket.

Don't like the sig vote but apparently a number of people agree with it so won't hold it against him

Scum in 0 posters is a yikes

I think he comes off better between him and sig

I want to sleep

[Dolby]

oh I messed it up

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Quick note:

Starting in Day 2 the watcher should not reveal who they targeted until they have received their delayed result. Don’t get shot before you can share a potential red knawmean

[Marmot]

Well, I'm reading SPF's ISO and there's some damn good content.

Her take on sig earlier today was quite nuanced and one I would expect more from a townie player as opposed to a scum player for that reason. I saw that it does include a response to Dizzy, but I don't think that implicates Dizzy like I think SPF implied.

I'm also probably going to volume-clear Dizzy for Day 1. In the last game I hosted, he played as scum, and didn't really post that all that much until he had to.

[Marmot]

I'm tired and don't want to read 400 posts.

Who wants to chat?

How’s this game feeling so far?

I left the thread ~24 hours ago with no inkling of a scumteam and a couple light townreads and that hasn't changed.

Yourself?

I’ve been able to hover around all day today and I feel pretty good about a relatively large group of town reads. I lack any definitive suspects though, and would like to actually have a tangible suspicion against somebody as we crawl toward the deadline.

Suspect me, I dare you.

Why should I?

The dopamine.

[Marmot]

I’ll get my head screwed on straight and also I’ll figure out how to communicate properly

Has your take on JJJ changed yet? You said 20 minutes, but it's been 24 hours.

[Marmot]

[VOTE: sig] aubergine so that maybe @TonyStarkPrime will tell me why it’s wrong to do this.

He's like reasonably obvious town imo. he came into the game complaining about a claim, of course he did. then he did some grumbling, of course he did.

does anyone here know if TSP & sig have a lot of experience with each other? this read from TSP doesn't make sense to me, and i'm wondering if that could be because there's some kind of meta that i'm missing out on

sidenote, the reasoning that TSP uses to townread sig here reminds me of jagged's reasoning to townread TSP on page 1:

tony is probably town too. of course town tony cares about watcher claim mechanics

don't know if this actually means anything - i just find it interesting that both of these posts use the specific reasoning of: "of course this player would enter the game caring about this"

They've probably played together. Sig used to be a regular on the Syndicate in previous years.

That said, somebody doing a thing that they do does not make them obvious town. I'm not obvious town for self-voting.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Main Meritorious Matador Marmot, whaddya think of sig?

[Marmot]

Rather than read the thread, I'll just continue pulling posts from some player's iso that looks interesting.

[Marmot]

Main Meritorious Matador Marmot, whaddya think of sig?

SPF pointed out an interesting thing, but rereading that point didn't sway me on sig, only that SPF was probably town.

Reading TSP's "obvious town" read of sig caught my eye more. Once I'm done sorting through his ISO, I'll take a look at sig.

[Marmot]

Should I pull quotes, or can I just say that it looks like TSP is trying to move the thread in a direction without doing the work to make it happen and it isn't working? In this case, the direction is to point out that sig is town.

[Marmot]

I read sig's ISO. It's 12 posts. It's not townie. I could see him being town, but I could also see him being scum. I can't make up my mind on him right now. I can't tell what he's trying to do, except pick a fight with a player that's roleclaimed. Those are the kind of waves that, at least to me, don't make sense for a scum player to make.

I'd love feedback on this take.

[Marmot]

Marmot is just w/e

The only things that I care about are the LC and Sloonei SRs and I don't think that either are scummy

You scumread them, but you don't?

I don't scumread either

What I meant is that the scumreads from you aren't scummy. Ie. I don't think that they come from a scum mindset.

Erm, my scumread of Sloonei was a joke and I walked back my initial ping regarding Lime Coke. I thought I'd stated both of those things in the thread (definitely the latter, and I believe yes on the former). Why don't you find them coming from a scum mindset?

I have no updates on either read at this moment.

You walking on LC doesn't matter to me. You had it at one point.

I took this to be that you were seriousish about Sloonei

Sloonei: I'd vote for responding to a joke post with an deadpan question.

Wait where did he do that at?

My reason for voting him is also a joke.

But I'm talking about this exchange.


The reason I'd stated interest in voting for LC was that when I first joined the thread, you'd been pretty quick in responding to my posts, but took much longer to respond to my question asking about scumreads. But I also see that you were interacting with someone else, and your response is agreeable in the sense that I believe what you said, so I'm willing to walk that back for now.

Marmot is just w/e

The only things that I care about are the LC and Sloonei SRs and I don't think that either are scummy

You scumread them, but you don't?

I don't scumread either

What I meant is that the scumreads from you aren't scummy. Ie. I don't think that they come from a scum mindset.

Why not?

Just don't think either is a scummy read.

He didn't feel that you vibed well for a reason, and LC taking a long time implies that he wasn't thinking about how he felt on who at the time, which could be a natural concern.

To come back to this Dolby, The post you quoted said from me said "My reason for voting him [Sloonei] is also a joke." Why did you think I was serious?

[Marmot]

Aggghhh, sorry for the wall of text.

[Marmot]

I'm going to bed, but putting my vote on TSP before I do.


[VOTE: TonyStarkPrime] aubergine

I work again tomorrow, but I will likely be back around before EOD. No promises, but it's likely.

[Lime Coke]

I read sig's ISO. It's 12 posts. It's not townie. I could see him being town, but I could also see him being scum. I can't make up my mind on him right now. I can't tell what he's trying to do, except pick a fight with a player that's roleclaimed. Those are the kind of waves that, at least to me, don't make sense for a scum player to make.

I'd love feedback on this take.

This is a good observation in my opinion and I can agree with it.

[Lime Coke]

I kinda just skimmed the thread that Marmot was participating in. I should read it a bit more thoroughly.

[Dolby]

@Marmot the fact that you actually pointed to an exchange you had with Sloonei

[Lime Coke]

I'm tired and don't want to read 400 posts.

Who wants to chat?

How’s this game feeling so far?

I left the thread ~24 hours ago with no inkling of a scumteam and a couple light townreads and that hasn't changed.

Yourself?

I’ve been able to hover around all day today and I feel pretty good about a relatively large group of town reads. I lack any definitive suspects though, and would like to actually have a tangible suspicion against somebody as we crawl toward the deadline.

Suspect me, I dare you.

Why should I?

The dopamine.

I got a pretty decent laugh out of this post.

[ilario]

@Dyslexicon @Son of Anarch

Watcha both think of marmot?

I like his iso

[ilario]

Actually, I may have said that pre-emptively

[Lime Coke]

Thorough read of what I missed.

I like both Marmot and Dolby.

They can be number 7 and 8 in my townreads.

I'm satisfied with my list.