The Syndicate

Garden Gnome wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 1:48 am
Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 1:41 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 1:26 am Guillotine would be a fun prospective poisoner.
I wish, imagine the kind of fun i would be having with that role, specially if it's a 3P poisoner.
I salivate to it.
That's exactly how I feel about being a modposter!!!!

Because you are a writer. Imagine those mod posts.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 1:34 am
Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 1:33 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 1:19 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 1:18 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 1:15 am The POE is fine. If the game doesn't end once we kill all of them y'all can flip me first so I don't have to endure the paranoia party.
Which PoE? Can you list names?
Act, Allc, Gnome, Made etc.

Guillo is also my prime tinfoil subject based on how desperate and weird he gradually has become.

The poisoner is more or less could be anyone.
Now that is a new insult to my play, desperate? It's so offensive that im not getting mad, im actually laughing at you for it?

DESPERATE?

Mac please.

And weird... dude come on, this is not new. You called me weird in Stormtossed. Im just a little insane.
You did request that I shoot you many times today. I don't think it's unfair to characterize that as "desperate."

It is, i was certain that i would be clear, i was excited by the idea of getting shot and become innocent child, not desperate.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 1:34 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 1:27 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 1:26 am Guillotine would be a fun prospective poisoner.
"Sloonei please shoot me so I can be confirmed town." - The Poisoner
Maybe the hosts told him desperado doesn't kill 3Ps and he wanted to fake clear himself and win by default.

This gotta be sarcasm, i love it.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 1:27 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 1:26 am Guillotine would be a fun prospective poisoner.
"Sloonei please shoot me so I can be confirmed town." - The Poisoner

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 1:27 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 1:27 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 1:26 am Guillotine would be a fun prospective poisoner.
"Sloonei please shoot me so I can be confirmed town." - The Poisoner
Eh he would.

Yes i would, this is fair, i would.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 1:26 am Guillotine would be a fun prospective poisoner.

I wish, imagine the kind of fun i would be having with that role, specially if it's a 3P poisoner.
I salivate to it.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 1:19 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 1:18 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 1:15 am The POE is fine. If the game doesn't end once we kill all of them y'all can flip me first so I don't have to endure the paranoia party.
Which PoE? Can you list names?
Act, Allc, Gnome, Made etc.

Guillo is also my prime tinfoil subject based on how desperate and weird he gradually has become.

The poisoner is more or less could be anyone.

Now that is a new insult to my play, desperate? It's so offensive that im not getting mad, im actually laughing at you for it?

DESPERATE?

Mac please.

And weird... dude come on, this is not new. You called me weird in Stormtossed. Im just a little insane.

Is someone gonna gonna comment on the possibility that indeed mafia may have copies of town roles?

Gavial/Sonny roleblockers
Hawk/Martin healers
LoMo/AllCrab watchers

Or did we abandon that theory long ago?

I had a read on Sonny/Orange but it was an illegal one and town has bashed me for less crazy reads, i was not gonna try that one, i told my mason partner and he disregarded it too.

Tangrowth has really really drop off from this game.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 12:02 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 11:55 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 11:50 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 11:47 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 11:46 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 11:34 pm @Guillotine you very vocally implored me to shoot you. If you are town, this guarantees that a civilian dies. Why is that ideal?
Pride and selfishness, i wanted Seanzie to be scum so much that i wanted you to clear me so i could go full power on him for his ill intended biased push on me.

I'm sorry.
So now you think I am not scum?
In retrospect I think you've been an asshole (in game asshole lol) but it's hard to believe you'd hellbuss Nutella and also put OC as first option before me as scum, bussing OC in turn as well.
So, given the threadstate (which was clearly pro-OC, anti-Guillo shot), you don't think I as a wolf would try to blend in? Do you think that no one who voted OC is a wolf?
I mean... im a hellbusser when i have to, but i dont think you put in all that effort to thunderdome with me and then decide to tell Sloonei to shoot OC over me. This is based on logic (for what that logic is worth) because i havent played with scum!you.
I dont know if scum has voted for OC, i havent have time to reevaluate my reads.

I meant this to say im a hellbusser when i have to when i rand scum.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 11:55 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 11:50 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 11:47 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 11:46 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 11:34 pm @Guillotine you very vocally implored me to shoot you. If you are town, this guarantees that a civilian dies. Why is that ideal?
Pride and selfishness, i wanted Seanzie to be scum so much that i wanted you to clear me so i could go full power on him for his ill intended biased push on me.

I'm sorry.
So now you think I am not scum?
In retrospect I think you've been an asshole (in game asshole lol) but it's hard to believe you'd hellbuss Nutella and also put OC as first option before me as scum, bussing OC in turn as well.
So, given the threadstate (which was clearly pro-OC, anti-Guillo shot), you don't think I as a wolf would try to blend in? Do you think that no one who voted OC is a wolf?

I mean... im a hellbusser when i have to, but i dont think you put in all that effort to thunderdome with me and then decide to tell Sloonei to shoot OC over me. This is based on logic (for what that logic is worth) because i havent played with scum!you.
I dont know if scum has voted for OC, i havent have time to reevaluate my reads.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 11:54 pm
orangecrush wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 4:17 pm hello everyone i actualy only fecognise some of you but i am excited to play here

i have not been able to catch upw tith everything but i have started to

so far i have these people town: Act (though am becoming cautious with him the more i read), Jay, Tangrow, Guil, Dana, Alison (lesser town read)
Just gonna throw this scrap into the kennel for the lads to tunnel. OC's first post.

Im abandoning my galaxy brain backburning deathtunnel on you.

I dont think scum!you brings this post to our attention when he is in the scum's town read list.

[VOTE: Act] aubergine however, felt like an instigator when everyone was attacking me and then dipped out when the fire was lit. I still remember Act's discredit on me along with Nutella when i was putting Nutella under the scope for her scummy push on me.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 11:47 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 11:46 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 11:34 pm @Guillotine you very vocally implored me to shoot you. If you are town, this guarantees that a civilian dies. Why is that ideal?
Pride and selfishness, i wanted Seanzie to be scum so much that i wanted you to clear me so i could go full power on him for his ill intended biased push on me.

I'm sorry.
So now you think I am not scum?

In retrospect I think you've been an asshole (in game asshole lol) but it's hard to believe you'd hellbuss Nutella and also put OC as first option before me as scum, bussing OC in turn as well.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 11:34 pm @Guillotine you very vocally implored me to shoot you. If you are town, this guarantees that a civilian dies. Why is that ideal?

Pride and selfishness, i wanted Seanzie to be scum so much that i wanted you to clear me so i could go full power on him for his ill intended biased push on me.

I'm sorry.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 10:57 pm Poor orangecrush. Her friend Sonny had to bail on a blind date, and asked her to fill in his place. But when she arrived, her date had flaked completely! She was left all alone in the Citrus Tavern, sipping a pomegranate painkiller in the corner...

@orangecrush has died. She was a...

Spoiler: show
Mafia Roleblocker

Day 4 continues. You may now post again.

Beautiful! Good work hommie.

Allcrab wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 10:19 pm Also don't shoot guillo and don't shoot gnome otherwise I don't care who sloonei shoots just shoot someone.

Thank you for the vote of confidence? Why do you townread me though? Why do you townread Garden Gnome? Im specially interested about GG because I genuinely cannot read her, ever. I always just let her be and hope someone else can clear her for me.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 9:07 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 9:05 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 8:40 pm My preference is still to shoot @orangecrush. What is the argument for guillotine?
No. Shoot me. Cause that will give me the thread clout that i need to bury Seanzie once and for all.

This is the thing. Seanzie has scumtold on numerous occasions and he is trying to take advantage to push a “lynch all liars” agenda yo get me yeeted, why? Because he is trying to bait the other mason out. Similar to what Mac tried to do.
Check this out, as soon as i claimed Mason he said something about my mason partner not being Mason but a scum teammate.

If he manages to convince you guys to yeet me then my partner will have to claim before they deem necessary and by then Scum!Seanzie will drive the narrative that my mason partner gotta be scum because if he was the real one he would have claimed with me today, when he considered it was optimal. Tell me Seanzie if i was not right after game.

Scum is trying to bait the other mason out so they can night kill us both tonight, one with the factional and one with the poison.

@Sloonei you can shoot me but i guarantee you will die, but i promise we'll win this because we'll figure who the deep wolf and the rest of the team by associations.
Just promise me that if you dont shoot me, you will have my back cause scum would be happy for you to die shooting someone else, then yeeting me, then night killing whoever you cleared.

I also propose that if you die to your desperado, we yeet Bad Bunny, negating a mischop scum needs. Bad Bunny will die anyways to poison so if we merge both the yeet and the poison into one dead, no other player has to die. The key is negating as many town day falls as we can.
If you are town you should only want me to shoot mafia.

Dude if im telling that you can shoot me, it's because i know you will clear me! I know you will die, but if you scum read me anyway for not having tne same mindset about how i approach games and you disbelieve my claim, if i am a mafia suspect, i should be the perfect shot in your eyes. You can't both scum read me and not want to shoot me because you might die, it does not track!

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 8:40 pm My preference is still to shoot @orangecrush. What is the argument for guillotine?

No. Shoot me. Cause that will give me the thread clout that i need to bury Seanzie once and for all.

This is the thing. Seanzie has scumtold on numerous occasions and he is trying to take advantage to push a “lynch all liars” agenda yo get me yeeted, why? Because he is trying to bait the other mason out. Similar to what Mac tried to do.
Check this out, as soon as i claimed Mason he said something about my mason partner not being Mason but a scum teammate.

If he manages to convince you guys to yeet me then my partner will have to claim before they deem necessary and by then Scum!Seanzie will drive the narrative that my mason partner gotta be scum because if he was the real one he would have claimed with me today, when he considered it was optimal. Tell me Seanzie if i was not right after game.

Scum is trying to bait the other mason out so they can night kill us both tonight, one with the factional and one with the poison.

@Sloonei you can shoot me but i guarantee you will die, but i promise we'll win this because we'll figure who the deep wolf and the rest of the team by associations.
Just promise me that if you dont shoot me, you will have my back cause scum would be happy for you to die shooting someone else, then yeeting me, then night killing whoever you cleared.

I also propose that if you die to your desperado, we yeet Bad Bunny, negating a mischop scum needs. Bad Bunny will die anyways to poison so if we merge both the yeet and the poison into one dead, no other player has to die. The key is negating as many town day falls as we can.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 8:04 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 8:00 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:59 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:57 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:55 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:49 pm
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:22 pm

Idk about anyone else but I never really town-read you for solving other than "you weren't hard-pushing people that I cared about". And when you did do that, it looked like it needed a fake-claim from you.

You've been keeping this sort of innocent or impulsive essence with you since SoD1 which I read as likelier town than not. If you were faking this act I figured you would've slipped at some point.
I agree he has that comfortable-in-thread impulsiveness that is usually associated with town, but idk if you've ever been town when Guillo's been wolf, but he can fake that. He has compared himself to Gavial a few times, and I think that is actually a good comparison, they both are very good at bringing that impulsive posting style into their wolf games.

I'm not fully convinced he is a wolf, but I think the reasons he is being townread by most are exactly what you described, and having been on the losing side of wolf!Guillo multiple times, I don't think it is as AI as many people do. Take away his impulsive posting style, and what do you get?
No no no no, this is a huge misrepresentation of the facts. I have not compared myself to Gavial, this is the first time i play with him, other players have been comparing his play with mine so, i just said, that if that is true, it's a honor because im great at this and our play style is often misunderstood.
Whatever, the point you raised is irrelevant to the point I made. My point that Guillo's posting style is NAI for him. If it helps for comparison for people, it is similar to how Gavial's posting style is NAI for him.
If it's not alignment indicative why do you scumread me for it, that shit does not add up.
I'm not scumreading you for your posting style.
To elaborate, it is more like the only thing I was townreading you for D2 and D3 was your impulsive posting style, but the more I thought about your PGO fakeclaim, the more it stinked, and reminded me of you in Spiderverse. Now that I am looking at you without regard to your impulsive posting style, I see nothing good.

At some point I will review your Nutella interactions. Hopefully JJJ did one of you and her, and that will save me some work.

Bruh, if you are gonna scum read me for whooping your ass in Spiderverse, for outplaying town in that game then this is my advice.

Forget about that game, heal that trauma, im sure that game is not gonna be the last where i will outplay you, im sorry man. You cannot scumread me out of fear.
I get it, it used to happen to me with Batman (a player from MU), he is the best scum player ive ever p,ayed with, even better than Mac, but then i embraced the fact that he will continue to best if i dont let go of that fear, the Bat fear, or sometimes the Mac fear, it happens to me with Mac too, hence why i cant fully trust him, ever.

Let go of the Guillo fear.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 8:10 pm
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 8:05 pm I don't recall JJJ doing a Nut + Gulio interaction thing.
I didn’t.

How come? No love for Guillo huh?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:57 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:55 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:49 pm
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:22 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:13 pm i had town cred before Nutella flipped because i solved,
Idk about anyone else but I never really town-read you for solving other than "you weren't hard-pushing people that I cared about". And when you did do that, it looked like it needed a fake-claim from you.

You've been keeping this sort of innocent or impulsive essence with you since SoD1 which I read as likelier town than not. If you were faking this act I figured you would've slipped at some point.
I agree he has that comfortable-in-thread impulsiveness that is usually associated with town, but idk if you've ever been town when Guillo's been wolf, but he can fake that. He has compared himself to Gavial a few times, and I think that is actually a good comparison, they both are very good at bringing that impulsive posting style into their wolf games.

I'm not fully convinced he is a wolf, but I think the reasons he is being townread by most are exactly what you described, and having been on the losing side of wolf!Guillo multiple times, I don't think it is as AI as many people do. Take away his impulsive posting style, and what do you get?
No no no no, this is a huge misrepresentation of the facts. I have not compared myself to Gavial, this is the first time i play with him, other players have been comparing his play with mine so, i just said, that if that is true, it's a honor because im great at this and our play style is often misunderstood.
Whatever, the point you raised is irrelevant to the point I made. My point that Guillo's posting style is NAI for him. If it helps for comparison for people, it is similar to how Gavial's posting style is NAI for him.

If it's not alignment indicative why do you scumread me for it, that shit does not add up.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:53 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:27 pm Dont run coward @Seanzie , get over here. We are not done!

You say that i am scum, who are my partners then?
I say I think you're scum. If I am right, I am not sure who your partners are, but I am a bit curious about you and Allcrab. I haven't thought about teammate associations with you at all though, and with large wolf team and many wolves still on the loose, I probably won't think about live teammate pairings since that just feeds into confirmation bias.

If allcrab is my teammate, we are both town.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:49 pm
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:22 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:13 pm i had town cred before Nutella flipped because i solved,
Idk about anyone else but I never really town-read you for solving other than "you weren't hard-pushing people that I cared about". And when you did do that, it looked like it needed a fake-claim from you.

You've been keeping this sort of innocent or impulsive essence with you since SoD1 which I read as likelier town than not. If you were faking this act I figured you would've slipped at some point.
I agree he has that comfortable-in-thread impulsiveness that is usually associated with town, but idk if you've ever been town when Guillo's been wolf, but he can fake that. He has compared himself to Gavial a few times, and I think that is actually a good comparison, they both are very good at bringing that impulsive posting style into their wolf games.

I'm not fully convinced he is a wolf, but I think the reasons he is being townread by most are exactly what you described, and having been on the losing side of wolf!Guillo multiple times, I don't think it is as AI as many people do. Take away his impulsive posting style, and what do you get?

No no no no, this is a huge misrepresentation of the facts. I have not compared myself to Gavial, this is the first time i play with him, other players have been comparing his play with mine so, i just said, that if that is true, it's a honor because im great at this and our play style is often misunderstood.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 6:32 pm Guillo didn't you quit a game on here because the mod build wasn't to your liking once?

Maybe you should stop making reads based on your expectation of how mods think. Not everyone uses a stencil to make games.

You mean that game where town had no chance at winning? The tutuu game?

Ok fair but this is a normal game and im playing like i would play a normal game.
If this game turns out to be bastard only the mods dont consider it bastard then... i would reconsider how i would play and read games here.

And im going to crash this damn tablet against the floor for missing so many Hs and Ns!!

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:30 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 2:16 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 2:11 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 2:06 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 1:59 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 1:57 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 1:54 pm

They don't, that's my point. You're making faulty assumptions about what is considered "bastard".

To use your own reference, under "variations", they clearly mention that a universal backup could be designed which inherits power roles from either side. If you think all role variants are bastard... well your definition of bastard would not fit with what I think almost everyone else uses to describe bastard.
BRUH! UNDER VARIATIONS IT SAYS OUTSIDE OF NORMAL GAMES yada yada yada
Sure, but the "normal games" thing is a MS defined term, not a universally recognized mafia thing. You're being hardheaded.

Can we just chop Guillo? I'm kind of done with him.
Seanzie. Mafia Scum is universally recognized. It is the oldest forum mafia board in the planet. It's like the bible of mafia.
So do you think this is a bastard game, or do you think Sloonei is lying about being able to choose which role he inherits?

Again, you're being hardheaded. It is definitely not the case that every forum just follows MS's wiki to a T. Argument over.
@Sloonei do you hardclaim Universal Backup?
Yes.

I understand your desire to scrutinize things, but this is not fruitful scrutiny. I will be fully resolved before this phase ends and you don’t need to do anything. If you have concerns in the interim, ask yourself this: why on god’s green earth would I claim to be a desperado if I was not capable of proving it?

Cause it could have been an RT? but ok? An i be that shot? I know that you are shooting to survive but im getting scummy pushes and getting cleared by your shot would be great!
Otherwise, an you shoot Seanzie or Mac? Because if one of them can be confirmed town, i would be happy, i would feel refreshed actually.

If not, then at the very lust can you shoot Garden Gnome? She is literally o e of the few people that i can never read.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:22 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:13 pm i had town cred before Nutella flipped because i solved,
Idk about anyone else but I never really town-read you for solving other than "you weren't hard-pushing people that I cared about". And when you did do that, it looked like it needed a fake-claim from you.

You've been keeping this sort of innocent or impulsive essence with you since SoD1 which I read as likelier town than not. If you were faking this act I figured you would've slipped at some point.

So from your perspective, have i slipped?

Dont run coward @Seanzie , get over here. We are not done!

You say that i am scum, who are my partners then?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:11 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:08 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:05 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 6:47 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 6:36 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 6:35 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 6:33 pm

If you’re town then just having Sloonei off himself to affirm that won’t be very beneficial to the town cause. It could be detrimental.

Let’s kill mafia.
I am a town Mason and im getting scummy push back. What do you think about that?
I think you’ve made it difficult for anyone to take a Guillotine role claim seriously.
Ok so why am i getting that kind of mistrust, but not Alison who has fake claim a couple of times tooand she is yet to claim her real role, which will also be her third if i remember correctly.

Why us Alison being townread even though she has FPS and not me. Is it because maybe i have been close or i am close to finding out a few mafia?
Like town's job is to look beyond the claims, see where and how it comes from. My fake claims ensured my survival and got me info.

Seanzie says that i claimed i killed all role types on day 1, i did and i would have continued to claim so because on Day 1,i was the first to find and push Nutella to her demise a d i was widely townread and heavily spewed town by Nutella's flip. In my mind, i was going to be the night kill so i claimed reflexive killer to prevent that, there was no reason for any town to check me anyway on night 1.

@Seanzie why would any cops or investigatives would want to check me if i was being townread by everyone?

I made sure to get townread to claim that and it worked. Ive done it before and it worked, as yown.
Also, just to highlight the differences between pro-town fake claiming, and whatever the crap Guillo is doing, from what I can tell, Alison's fakes (and my own fake on Actv) have all followed essentially this outline:

1.) Fakeclaim a specific thing that forces a reaction from a specific person.

2.) Wait for that reaction, and some follow up reactions from the thread.

3.) Rescind the claim as soon as those reactions have been gotten to not waste threadtime, extra town points if the rescinding came of your own free will, not caused by pressure from the thread.

4.) Give an analysis of the reactions gained from the fakeclaim.

^This approach is generally towny and has clear pro-town motive. What Guillo has been doing is not towny and has much more scum motive than town motive if you ask me.
Bruh. Do you honestly believe i rescinded cause of pressure. Have you been in this game?
Havent you played with me before? Do you think i give a flying cow about Macdougalls and your pressure. I rescinded because it was time to do so, i rescinded because i got cold feet YOLOing JJJ to death, because he might have been protected by Dana.
You originally claimed any night visit would get the other person killed. Kito proved you were lying, and you only rescinded that claim once it was proven you were lying.

You then claimed PGO. You only rescinded that claim after I started pressing you about the claim, and pointing out that it was a high-scum-equity claim.

Your JJJ fakered is whatever, that isn't why I'm scumreading you.

You are not scumreading me, you are scum painting me! Because im town duh and your pushes have been reachy. You outed bro, there is no going back and if you are not, if you are town, you throwing, i hope you realize that, if you are town this is an ego clash and you are ruining our chances instead of seeing that my fake claims was for self preservation and for i formation.

Like again on the pgo claim. I was townread, even by Belzy herself who was the first desperado, because if she had scumread me she would have shot me right? Everyone townread me, even yourself bud. I knew there was no reason for town to believe that my PGO claim could come from scum, because we claim PGO to scare scum off.
Me claiming PGO that killed all killers was me selling scum that they could get killed even if they attempted other actions on me other than just killing.

When Kito visited me then the claim was kinda destroyed but i knew i could count on scum tinfoil and claimed that i lied about killing everyone and changed it to i killed all my killers, obviously i could get killed by night killers but scum didnt know that. LMAO

There is no scum agenda behind those fake claims, i could afford them because i've been townread all game. Suck on that man's tit, scum.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:07 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:02 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 6:57 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 6:47 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 6:36 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 6:35 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 6:33 pm

If you’re town then just having Sloonei off himself to affirm that won’t be very beneficial to the town cause. It could be detrimental.

Let’s kill mafia.
I am a town Mason and im getting scummy push back. What do you think about that?
I think you’ve made it difficult for anyone to take a Guillotine role claim seriously.
Ok so why am i getting that kind of mistrust, but not Alison who has fake claim a couple of times tooand she is yet to claim her real role, which will also be her third if i remember correctly.

Why us Alison being townread even though she has FPS and not me. Is it because maybe i have been close or i am close to finding out a few mafia?
Like town's job is to look beyond the claims, see where and how it comes from. My fake claims ensured my survival and got me info.

Seanzie says that i claimed i killed all role types on day 1, i did and i would have continued to claim so because on Day 1,i was the first to find and push Nutella to her demise a d i was widely townread and heavily spewed town by Nutella's flip. In my mind, i was going to be the night kill so i claimed reflexive killer to prevent that, there was no reason for any town to check me anyway on night 1.

@Seanzie why would any cops or investigatives would want to check me if i was being townread by everyone?

I made sure to get townread to claim that and it worked. Ive done it before and it worked, as yown.
Pretty sure Guillo is admitting TMI on Nutella here. He apparently already considered himself townspewed by Nutella before her flip, even when many people seemed to think Nutella was a miss in twilight.
What the fuck? I scumread Nutella and got her yeeted, if scumreading Nutella is TMI, then you should be scumread for TMI on Owner! HAAAAAA

This guy is scum! Yeet Seanzie! We got the deepwolf!

To my mason partner who never believed me, i scum read seanzie on multiple occasions. This guy is desperate for my flip, scum dont know whst to do!

SLOONEI SHOOT ME ALREADY SO I CAN BE INNO CHILD AND SEND SEANZIE TO THE PT!
You're either not getting my point, or just purposefully ignoring it. Scumreading Nutella is not TMI necessarily. Knowing Nutella is going to flip wolf, and acting as if you already have townclout from a wolf flip before Nutella flips, when most of the rest of the thread was thinking Nutella was flipping town is TMI.

Oh no no no, i had town cred before Nutella flipped because i solved, because i help town pushing tne right people. On day one i wanted Belzy or Nutella and i would only compromise with those votes. Bruh! If you check Day 1 i was consensus townread and i have been ever since and you and your faction has been trying to find a way to get rid of me, but be ause of my PGO claim you didnt risk it at night. When i yeeted nutella, i claimed reflexive killer during twilight, because i suspected i was gonna be the night kill.

My fake claims would have never hurt town. It was for self preservation because i was town read and scum has to kill widely townread players before they get boxed in.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:05 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 6:47 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 6:36 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 6:35 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 6:33 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 6:32 pm I mean i rather bet shot by the despetado.
If you’re town then just having Sloonei off himself to affirm that won’t be very beneficial to the town cause. It could be detrimental.

Let’s kill mafia.
I am a town Mason and im getting scummy push back. What do you think about that?
I think you’ve made it difficult for anyone to take a Guillotine role claim seriously.
Ok so why am i getting that kind of mistrust, but not Alison who has fake claim a couple of times tooand she is yet to claim her real role, which will also be her third if i remember correctly.

Why us Alison being townread even though she has FPS and not me. Is it because maybe i have been close or i am close to finding out a few mafia?
Like town's job is to look beyond the claims, see where and how it comes from. My fake claims ensured my survival and got me info.

Seanzie says that i claimed i killed all role types on day 1, i did and i would have continued to claim so because on Day 1,i was the first to find and push Nutella to her demise a d i was widely townread and heavily spewed town by Nutella's flip. In my mind, i was going to be the night kill so i claimed reflexive killer to prevent that, there was no reason for any town to check me anyway on night 1.

@Seanzie why would any cops or investigatives would want to check me if i was being townread by everyone?

I made sure to get townread to claim that and it worked. Ive done it before and it worked, as yown.
Also, just to highlight the differences between pro-town fake claiming, and whatever the crap Guillo is doing, from what I can tell, Alison's fakes (and my own fake on Actv) have all followed essentially this outline:

1.) Fakeclaim a specific thing that forces a reaction from a specific person.

2.) Wait for that reaction, and some follow up reactions from the thread.

3.) Rescind the claim as soon as those reactions have been gotten to not waste threadtime, extra town points if the rescinding came of your own free will, not caused by pressure from the thread.

4.) Give an analysis of the reactions gained from the fakeclaim.

^This approach is generally towny and has clear pro-town motive. What Guillo has been doing is not towny and has much more scum motive than town motive if you ask me.

Bruh. Do you honestly believe i rescinded cause of pressure. Have you been in this game?
Havent you played with me before? Do you think i give a flying cow about Macdougalls and your pressure. I rescinded because it was time to do so, i rescinded because i got cold feet YOLOing JJJ to death, because he might have been protected by Dana.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 6:59 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 6:53 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 6:41 pm So I've been thinking about Guillo's mason claim... I personally think he is full of it, and I am really starting to think Guillo is just a wolf, but...

Abstract away from the game, is there a strong reason for a mason to not come forward if their partner does as well? I've never seen a single mason claim before (unless their partner dies, but that is a different story), and I think in general it is subobptimal to not have the whole masonry claim at once since it just invites confusion, doubt, and tinfoil.

If there isn't a strong reason for a second mason to not claim, I think we should push Guillo. Worst case scenerio, it causes the other mason to claim (which again I think is just the optimal play, but want to hear from others), best case scenerio, Guillo is just a scrambling wolf and we can lunch him.
[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

Look i know i will flip Town Mason if i get yeeted but this is straightup wolf mindset.
If you're town mason, why are you worried about getting yeeted?

Are you kidding me? What kind of fuck up question is this, be ause i wanna keep playing, be ause i wanna catch scum, be ause i wanna keep denying scum chances to win.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 6:57 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 6:47 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 6:36 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 6:35 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 6:33 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 6:32 pm I mean i rather bet shot by the despetado.
If you’re town then just having Sloonei off himself to affirm that won’t be very beneficial to the town cause. It could be detrimental.

Let’s kill mafia.
I am a town Mason and im getting scummy push back. What do you think about that?
I think you’ve made it difficult for anyone to take a Guillotine role claim seriously.
Ok so why am i getting that kind of mistrust, but not Alison who has fake claim a couple of times tooand she is yet to claim her real role, which will also be her third if i remember correctly.

Why us Alison being townread even though she has FPS and not me. Is it because maybe i have been close or i am close to finding out a few mafia?
Like town's job is to look beyond the claims, see where and how it comes from. My fake claims ensured my survival and got me info.

Seanzie says that i claimed i killed all role types on day 1, i did and i would have continued to claim so because on Day 1,i was the first to find and push Nutella to her demise a d i was widely townread and heavily spewed town by Nutella's flip. In my mind, i was going to be the night kill so i claimed reflexive killer to prevent that, there was no reason for any town to check me anyway on night 1.

@Seanzie why would any cops or investigatives would want to check me if i was being townread by everyone?

I made sure to get townread to claim that and it worked. Ive done it before and it worked, as yown.
Pretty sure Guillo is admitting TMI on Nutella here. He apparently already considered himself townspewed by Nutella before her flip, even when many people seemed to think Nutella was a miss in twilight.

What the fuck? I scumread Nutella and got her yeeted, if scumreading Nutella is TMI, then you should be scumread for TMI on Owner! HAAAAAA

This guy is scum! Yeet Seanzie! We got the deepwolf!

To my mason partner who never believed me, i scum read seanzie on multiple occasions. This guy is desperate for my flip, scum dont know whst to do!

SLOONEI SHOOT ME ALREADY SO I CAN BE INNO CHILD AND SEND SEANZIE TO THE PT!

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 6:47 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 6:46 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 6:43 pm I don't believe mason claim. Imagine if the Mafia hit the masons with the cupid. Completely ruins their 1 shot KP. He's definitely just lying again.
Do you think the fact that he is likely lying again is scum-indicative? Sometimes fake info is beneficial to town, but I don't see it here.

Since you wolfed with him, I'd value your thoughts.
its gone past the point of being townie now

If you are gonna accuse me of game throwing then tell it to my face with a case. How the hell am i game throwing here?

@Sloonei if you have that shot shoot me already, we got a lot info, clear me and lets kill the deepwolves.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 6:52 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 6:49 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 6:43 pm I don't believe mason claim. Imagine if the Mafia hit the masons with the cupid. Completely ruins their 1 shot KP. He's definitely just lying again.
Im not lying and what you are doing is trying to bait the other Mason out. This is how you role fish, you did it in Spiderverse.
you think mod puts masons in this game with the cupid?

Well the game is about coup,es, dates etc isnt? Co enon bruh! What's going with you? Wake the hell up!

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 6:41 pm So I've been thinking about Guillo's mason claim... I personally think he is full of it, and I am really starting to think Guillo is just a wolf, but...

Abstract away from the game, is there a strong reason for a mason to not come forward if their partner does as well? I've never seen a single mason claim before (unless their partner dies, but that is a different story), and I think in general it is subobptimal to not have the whole masonry claim at once since it just invites confusion, doubt, and tinfoil.

If there isn't a strong reason for a second mason to not claim, I think we should push Guillo. Worst case scenerio, it causes the other mason to claim (which again I think is just the optimal play, but want to hear from others), best case scenerio, Guillo is just a scrambling wolf and we can lunch him.

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

Look i know i will flip Town Mason if i get yeeted but this is straightup wolf mindset.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 6:43 pm I don't believe mason claim. Imagine if the Mafia hit the masons with the cupid. Completely ruins their 1 shot KP. He's definitely just lying again.

Im not lying and what you are doing is trying to bait the other Mason out. This is how you role fish, you did it in Spiderverse.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 6:36 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 6:35 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 6:33 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 6:32 pm I mean i rather bet shot by the despetado.
If you’re town then just having Sloonei off himself to affirm that won’t be very beneficial to the town cause. It could be detrimental.

Let’s kill mafia.
I am a town Mason and im getting scummy push back. What do you think about that?
I think you’ve made it difficult for anyone to take a Guillotine role claim seriously.

Ok so why am i getting that kind of mistrust, but not Alison who has fake claim a couple of times tooand she is yet to claim her real role, which will also be her third if i remember correctly.

Why us Alison being townread even though she has FPS and not me. Is it because maybe i have been close or i am close to finding out a few mafia?
Like town's job is to look beyond the claims, see where and how it comes from. My fake claims ensured my survival and got me info.

Seanzie says that i claimed i killed all role types on day 1, i did and i would have continued to claim so because on Day 1,i was the first to find and push Nutella to her demise a d i was widely townread and heavily spewed town by Nutella's flip. In my mind, i was going to be the night kill so i claimed reflexive killer to prevent that, there was no reason for any town to check me anyway on night 1.

@Seanzie why would any cops or investigatives would want to check me if i was being townread by everyone?

I made sure to get townread to claim that and it worked. Ive done it before and it worked, as yown.

IfAll rad is a woman, i apologize in advance for not getting the pronouns right. Its hard to remember, i have to play with a player several times to remember

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 6:33 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 6:30 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 6:26 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 6:09 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 2:56 pm @Guillotine how do you feel about Allcrab?
I'd shoot there to clear doubts about town having two watchers, the shot i would perform on Martin to clear the hypothesis that we have two town healers, because i dont believe that.
This isn't really a read. Do you think Allcrab is town? Mafia? If you have a stance, why?
Hmm look i think LoMo is town and i dont think there are two town watchers. So I'd shoot AllCrab based on that, because I'm 99% sure im wrong about one of them, but LoMo was spewed town hard by Nutella, so i wouldnt shoot LoMo, it would have to be the crab
Okay. Remove his claim from the equation. Do you have any thoughts on Allcrab now?

I dont, i havent really focused on him to be honest. Ive read him like i e read everyone but it's been like in autopilot mode. It's like i told Belzy when we clash, we are the majority and i have to trust other townies will help catch scum too, i dont have the time or the state of mind to read everyone, so i gotta trust my townies they will help me reading and casing the people i cant.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 6:33 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 6:32 pm I mean i rather bet shot by the despetado.
If you’re town then just having Sloonei off himself to affirm that won’t be very beneficial to the town cause. It could be detrimental.

Let’s kill mafia.

I am a town Mason and im getting scummy push back. What do you think about that?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 6:29 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 6:29 pm Gavial deserves respect for his play in this game. He sacrificed himself so that I may carry on (and it’s reasonably possible Dana did the same thing ). Not everyone would make that selfless decision.
I wouldn't.

Neither would I.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 6:29 pm Gavial deserves respect for his play in this game. He sacrificed himself so that I may carry on (and it’s reasonably possible Dana did the same thing ). Not everyone would make that selfless decision.

Gavial deserves respect for his play in all games. The way people refer here about him sucks.

I mean i rather bet shot by the despetado.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 6:29 pm Guillo vs. Mac III: The Final Battle.

Dayvig Guillo

Yes please.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 6:26 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 6:09 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 2:56 pm @Guillotine how do you feel about Allcrab?
I'd shoot there to clear doubts about town having two watchers, the shot i would perform on Martin to clear the hypothesis that we have two town healers, because i dont believe that.
This isn't really a read. Do you think Allcrab is town? Mafia? If you have a stance, why?

Hmm look i think LoMo is town and i dont think there are two town watchers. So I'd shoot AllCrab based on that, because I'm 99% sure im wrong about one of them, but LoMo was spewed town hard by Nutella, so i wouldnt shoot LoMo, it would have to be the crab

Every time someone talks about Galvian the way they do, is like if they were talking about me that way, those comments go beyond the game, they feel personal, like bullying, it's not part of the game, it shouldnt be.

Galvian rather play a 100 games with you than those people. Bottom of my heart.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 4:45 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 4:40 pm Just ignore everything after d1 from guillo imo, he was obvious town then and he's still probably town, especially if he holds a mason claim
This is a bad read. The gamestate has worsened for mafia. Guillo looks like he's going chaos mode to try to disrupt town.

No, if it feels chaotic, it must be for scum, nothing worse that dropping the mason bomb in the middle of nowhere. I love it

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