The Syndicate

And shut the haters mouth. Not shit lol

@Gavial It's a honor to be compared with you. The way these guys discredit your play, a dead townie, who felt by a malicious trap by scum.
I cant wait for another game where we can play together and shit the haters mouths.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 4:36 pm [VOTE: Guillotine] aubergine

You are outing, you more than anyone know that this is not scum me. So remove your very opportunistic vote RIGHT NOW MAC!

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 4:24 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 4:20 pm

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 4:18 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 4:17 pm

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 4:14 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 4:08 pm

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 4:00 pm

Omg your claims are meaningless at this point because you’ve just made so many of them. At this rate, I wouldn’t be surprised if you were scum and you and a scum buddy both claimed masons

Town do fakeclaim. The difference between how we fakevlaim and how dcum fake claims is simple.

Our fake claims dont put town in jeopardy.

1) Pgo that kills killers only. Meaning i was telling town that they can check on me, while i was WIFOMing scum into not targeting me for a kill.

2) The fake redcheck was for info (which i retracted it).

And Seanzie, if you suspect me for fake claiming, Do you suspect Alison as well? How about Mac?
About Made’s fake claim to yeet Michelle on Spiderverse?

A claim is only so good as it is believable. If you make a new claim every other minute, and no one believes it, what purpose is it serving?

[VOTE: Act] aubergine

This is a discredit attempt. Ive only fake claimed two rolrs in the game. One on day 1 and another one today. You are making it sound like i did it everyday.

Next!

You fake claimed a red check on Jay. Or did I make that up?

That is the second claim and i retracted it. So?

My point is that you’re making a lot of claims. Two have been retracted. Who knows whether this third one is legit? When you make lots of claims (and I feel like three is a lot), it’s hard to take any of them seriously and the more you claim and retract, the less believable they are.

This claim is legit because the other mason can confirm it obviously. Duh duh duuuuh.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 2:56 pm @Guillotine how do you feel about Allcrab?

I'd shoot there to clear doubts about town having two watchers, the shot i would perform on Martin to clear the hypothesis that we have two town healers, because i dont believe that.

Fake claiming for me is NAI, i think you have to look beyond the fake claim itself to see if it comes from scum or town.

Ive fake claimed as scum, heck, it’s where i cook up the best FPS but always to destroy town. My aim as scum is to kill as many townies as possible with the fake claims.
In Spiderverse it was to bait claims out or breadcrumbs that Macdougall could pick up and deduce for the soup kill, because im a dumbass when it comes to detecting softs.

In Everyone’s JOATED.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... e-s-JOATED

I Fake claim to kill a total of three townies. I Goaded one to shoot the fabricated gun i gave her, i faked a lie detector to get the masonizer claim yeeted and i bsited the suicide bomb to kill me and himself after i claimed i was a Dr Boom, a bomb that kills two townies on my wagon. That was a lot of fun, very proud of that game even if we lost
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I have fake claimed as town too. But i never put in jeopardy my faction.

I did it here, i claimed PGO as well, i had correctly scum read 4/5 wolves, when i retracted my claim scum discredited me by pushing the agenda of yeeting all liars to eliminate me. Scum continued to discredit my reads even after dead, calling me a wild card, a loose cannon, so town wouldnt bother to consider my reads. If they had sheeped me, we would have won.

https://forum.throneoflies.com/t/darlin ... -win/87703


In this other game i claimed my role but i fake claimed that i could self target (another form of PGO).

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12734178

I was a special kind vigilante and i correctly targeted 3/4 anti town parties during the night which got me that award.

So yah, i fakeclaim as either alignment for sure but the difference is that i dont put in jeopardy town when im town.

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 4:24 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 4:20 pm

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 4:18 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 4:17 pm

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 4:14 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 4:08 pm

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 4:00 pm

Omg your claims are meaningless at this point because you’ve just made so many of them. At this rate, I wouldn’t be surprised if you were scum and you and a scum buddy both claimed masons

Town do fakeclaim. The difference between how we fakevlaim and how dcum fake claims is simple.

Our fake claims dont put town in jeopardy.

1) Pgo that kills killers only. Meaning i was telling town that they can check on me, while i was WIFOMing scum into not targeting me for a kill.

2) The fake redcheck was for info (which i retracted it).

And Seanzie, if you suspect me for fake claiming, Do you suspect Alison as well? How about Mac?
About Made’s fake claim to yeet Michelle on Spiderverse?

A claim is only so good as it is believable. If you make a new claim every other minute, and no one believes it, what purpose is it serving?

[VOTE: Act] aubergine

This is a discredit attempt. Ive only fake claimed two rolrs in the game. One on day 1 and another one today. You are making it sound like i did it everyday.

Next!

You fake claimed a red check on Jay. Or did I make that up?

That is the second claim and i retracted it. So?

My point is that you’re making a lot of claims. Two have been retracted. Who knows whether this third one is legit? When you make lots of claims (and I feel like three is a lot), it’s hard to take any of them seriously and the more you claim and retract, the less believable they are.

Because the claims had no scum agenda! That is the famn difference. Cone on girl dont try to play dumb here, you and I know there are differences.

Question for Seanzie who believed at the time that i cant be trusted for my PGO claim.

What is the incentive for scum to claim it? Instead of just keeping it quiet, bait as many visits as he can during the night and kill them all. I love killing as either alignment, i never choose not to kill to get towncred. There is no incentive for me to save town’s lives by claiming PGO when i can just bait them and kill them.

Think about that hard.

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 4:18 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 4:17 pm

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 4:14 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 4:08 pm

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 4:00 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 3:50 pm What we need is more information.

Let me begin.

I retract my PGO claim.

I hard claim town mason. Suck on that man’s tit @Seanzie

Also i confirm that my views and my partner's are complete 180 to the point i feel that i’d have more luck working with the townies that i dont know the identity of, than the other mason, we are definitely dysfunctional.

I will let the other mason claim at his own pace and i will confirm when they do, if by then i have not been killed already, although if you make an effort to look, you will find the other mason's identity.

Omg your claims are meaningless at this point because you’ve just made so many of them. At this rate, I wouldn’t be surprised if you were scum and you and a scum buddy both claimed masons

Town do fakeclaim. The difference between how we fakevlaim and how dcum fake claims is simple.

Our fake claims dont put town in jeopardy.

1) Pgo that kills killers only. Meaning i was telling town that they can check on me, while i was WIFOMing scum into not targeting me for a kill.

2) The fake redcheck was for info (which i retracted it).

And Seanzie, if you suspect me for fake claiming, Do you suspect Alison as well? How about Mac?
About Made’s fake claim to yeet Michelle on Spiderverse?

A claim is only so good as it is believable. If you make a new claim every other minute, and no one believes it, what purpose is it serving?

[VOTE: Act] aubergine

This is a discredit attempt. Ive only fake claimed two rolrs in the game. One on day 1 and another one today. You are making it sound like i did it everyday.

Next!

You fake claimed a red check on Jay. Or did I make that up?

That is the second claim and i retracted it. So?

Fellow townies.

At this moment is when wolves just realized three things.

1) That ive been playing them so their ego and pride is burning lol.
2) That if they saved me for s mischop they lost it.
3) That they have to worry about another lock clear town.

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 4:14 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 4:08 pm

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 4:00 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 3:50 pm What we need is more information.

Let me begin.

I retract my PGO claim.

I hard claim town mason. Suck on that man’s tit @Seanzie

Also i confirm that my views and my partner's are complete 180 to the point i feel that i’d have more luck working with the townies that i dont know the identity of, than the other mason, we are definitely dysfunctional.

I will let the other mason claim at his own pace and i will confirm when they do, if by then i have not been killed already, although if you make an effort to look, you will find the other mason's identity.

Omg your claims are meaningless at this point because you’ve just made so many of them. At this rate, I wouldn’t be surprised if you were scum and you and a scum buddy both claimed masons

Town do fakeclaim. The difference between how we fakevlaim and how dcum fake claims is simple.

Our fake claims dont put town in jeopardy.

1) Pgo that kills killers only. Meaning i was telling town that they can check on me, while i was WIFOMing scum into not targeting me for a kill.

2) The fake redcheck was for info (which i retracted it).

And Seanzie, if you suspect me for fake claiming, Do you suspect Alison as well? How about Mac?
About Made’s fake claim to yeet Michelle on Spiderverse?

A claim is only so good as it is believable. If you make a new claim every other minute, and no one believes it, what purpose is it serving?

[VOTE: Act] aubergine

This is a discredit attempt. Ive only fake claimed two rolrs in the game. One on day 1 and another one today. You are making it sound like i did it everyday.

Next!

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 4:00 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 3:50 pm What we need is more information.

Let me begin.

I retract my PGO claim.

I hard claim town mason. Suck on that man’s tit @Seanzie

Also i confirm that my views and my partner's are complete 180 to the point i feel that i’d have more luck working with the townies that i dont know the identity of, than the other mason, we are definitely dysfunctional.

I will let the other mason claim at his own pace and i will confirm when they do, if by then i have not been killed already, although if you make an effort to look, you will find the other mason's identity.

Omg your claims are meaningless at this point because you’ve just made so many of them. At this rate, I wouldn’t be surprised if you were scum and you and a scum buddy both claimed masons

Well @Sloonei if your shot is real, i am the perfect option now. Cause this is not a reaction test this time and the wolves are OUTING by pushing me. Wooooooo!

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 4:00 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 3:50 pm What we need is more information.

Let me begin.

I retract my PGO claim.

I hard claim town mason. Suck on that man’s tit @Seanzie

Also i confirm that my views and my partner's are complete 180 to the point i feel that i’d have more luck working with the townies that i dont know the identity of, than the other mason, we are definitely dysfunctional.

I will let the other mason claim at his own pace and i will confirm when they do, if by then i have not been killed already, although if you make an effort to look, you will find the other mason's identity.

Omg your claims are meaningless at this point because you’ve just made so many of them. At this rate, I wouldn’t be surprised if you were scum and you and a scum buddy both claimed masons

Town do fakeclaim. The difference between how we fakevlaim and how dcum fake claims is simple.

Our fake claims dont put town in jeopardy.

1) Pgo that kills killers only. Meaning i was telling town that they can check on me, while i was WIFOMing scum into not targeting me for a kill.

2) The fake redcheck was for info (which i retracted it).

And Seanzie, if you suspect me for fake claiming, Do you suspect Alison as well? How about Mac?
About Made’s fake claim to yeet Michelle on Spiderverse?

Step back

Now im gonna step up for a bit, enjoy memorial day and i will be back with fresh mind.

Cause im feeling frustrated and like my blood is gonna explode full of fury.

What we need is more information.

Let me begin.

I retract my PGO claim.

I hard claim town mason. Suck on that man’s tit @Seanzie

Also i confirm that my views and my partner's are complete 180 to the point i feel that i’d have more luck working with the townies that i dont know the identity of, than the other mason, we are definitely dysfunctional.

I will let the other mason claim at his own pace and i will confirm when they do, if by then i have not been killed already, although if you make an effort to look, you will find the other mason's identity.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 3:28 pm Not to mention, my experience in your last game of Open World on Mafia Universe told me that roles are open to host interpretation. I thought buying the Astronomer ability did one thing and it wasn't going to given a 50/50 coin flip. You thought it did.

Everything is open to interpretation, and eventually things are going to be different unless you host on a site that mandates roles be written X-way and have some sort of game-review process.

Yah the Astronomer is a bastard role and open world is a bastard game, all my games are.

Now @Sloonei do you hard claim universal backup.

Scratch the question mark

Boom! Meaning sloonei does not have a desperado shot.?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 2:52 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 2:46 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 2:44 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 2:39 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 2:26 pm @Seanzie am i being hardheaded or do you scumread me? You cant have it both ways. I need to know for once where do you stand with me. All this constant discredit of my theories and solutions from you is making me paranoid and i want to determine if this is an ego clash or if you scum trying to opaque me with openwolfing tactics.

You are definitely being hardheaded, and that is independent of my thoughts on your alignment. I have you in my outer PoE. I think you have reasonable scum equity, but there are bigger things I am worried about right now.

Trust me when I say my ego is not threatened at all by yours. I've just pointed out places you are making faulty assumptions, and you don't seem to be able to accept that you can be wrong at times.

And if you are town, you are uncooperative! You forgot that this is a team's game and you are playing as if you are seeking solo credit. This is the reason town loses games, because they dont work together and every time i out a theory and an opinion, you even try to consider it, you are there to shoot it down!

So if you are not willing to work together to find the remaining scum, then im gonna assume that are scum and that you hellbussed and look at your ISO from that perspective!

I feel like you've been looking for reasons to flip your read on me ever since I called you out on your high-scum-equity bogus claim. So, you do what you need to do.

Your feelings must be a product of a guilty conscience, dont blame that on me.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 2:44 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 2:39 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 2:26 pm @Seanzie am i being hardheaded or do you scumread me? You cant have it both ways. I need to know for once where do you stand with me. All this constant discredit of my theories and solutions from you is making me paranoid and i want to determine if this is an ego clash or if you scum trying to opaque me with openwolfing tactics.

You are definitely being hardheaded, and that is independent of my thoughts on your alignment. I have you in my outer PoE. I think you have reasonable scum equity, but there are bigger things I am worried about right now.

Trust me when I say my ego is not threatened at all by yours. I've just pointed out places you are making faulty assumptions, and you don't seem to be able to accept that you can be wrong at times.

And if you are town, you are uncooperative! You forgot that this is a team's game and you are playing as if you are seeking solo credit. This is the reason town loses games, because they dont work together and every time i out a theory and an opinion, you even try to consider it, you are there to shoot it down!

So if you are not willing to work together to find the remaining scum, then im gonna assume that are scum and that you hellbussed and look at your ISO from that perspective!

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 2:39 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 2:26 pm @Seanzie am i being hardheaded or do you scumread me? You cant have it both ways. I need to know for once where do you stand with me. All this constant discredit of my theories and solutions from you is making me paranoid and i want to determine if this is an ego clash or if you scum trying to opaque me with openwolfing tactics.

You are definitely being hardheaded, and that is independent of my thoughts on your alignment. I have you in my outer PoE. I think you have reasonable scum equity, but there are bigger things I am worried about right now.

Trust me when I say my ego is not threatened at all by yours. I've just pointed out places you are making faulty assumptions, and you don't seem to be able to accept that you can be wrong at times.

And if you are town, you are uncooperative! You forgot that this is a team's game and you are playing as if you are seeking solo credit. This is the reason town loses games, because they dont work together and every time i out a theory and an opinion, you even try to consider it, you are there to shoot it down!

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 2:28 pm Modern family had a backup role that could choose what role they wanted to inherit, and got all the shots of that role even if it was an x shot that was spent.

I see no reason to think sloon couldn't have that role or that it couldn't work as a town role

This entire discussion is deeply dumb, either sloon is gonna shoot (and if he's town with a shot it better be soon), or he isn't. Railing about whether this game adheres to ms definitions is a waste of everybody's time

No Nook, i'd appreciate for once some support here.

I'd wait for Sloonei hard claim. I need to know the desperado shot is real,or just another reaction test gone too long.

Nutella tried to discredit me and i bagged her on day 1, with Mac's assistance.

Many will keep trying and failing.

@Seanzie am i being hardheaded or do you scumread me? You cant have it both ways. I need to know for once where do you stand with me. All this constant discredit of my theories and solutions from you is making me paranoid and i want to determine if this is an ego clash or if you scum trying to opaque me with openwolfing tactics.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 2:11 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 2:06 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 1:59 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 1:57 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 1:54 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 1:48 pm I didnt know The Syndicate had a page?

If we go to MS which most hosts refer to get info about running roles, we'll find the definitions for Universal Backups in NORMAL games:

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... sal_Backup

They don't, that's my point. You're making faulty assumptions about what is considered "bastard".

To use your own reference, under "variations", they clearly mention that a universal backup could be designed which inherits power roles from either side. If you think all role variants are bastard... well your definition of bastard would not fit with what I think almost everyone else uses to describe bastard.

BRUH! UNDER VARIATIONS IT SAYS OUTSIDE OF NORMAL GAMES yada yada yada

Sure, but the "normal games" thing is a MS defined term, not a universally recognized mafia thing. You're being hardheaded.

Can we just chop Guillo? I'm kind of done with him.

Seanzie. Mafia Scum is universally recognized. It is the oldest forum mafia board in the planet. It's like the bible of mafia.

So do you think this is a bastard game, or do you think Sloonei is lying about being able to choose which role he inherits?

Again, you're being hardheaded. It is definitely not the case that every forum just follows MS's wiki to a T. Argument over.

@Sloonei do you hardclaim Universal Backup?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 2:09 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 2:02 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 1:58 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 1:50 pm If this game was bastard i would consider it, as well as i'd consider a modposter and a torturer, but im playing the game as advertised by the hosts, not bastard.

If the game turns out to be bastard then we never had a chance.

Also, Sloonei indicated that they have a choice of which role they choose, so unless Sloonei is just lying, the role they have does not fit the role on MS's wiki.

Seanzie, mafia cannot inherit Desperado because it forces them to either shoot town commiting suicide and then revealing its flip as mafia, or having to play against their wincon and shoot one of their own. Or if there is a inno child in the game, mafia cannot inherit that role then post to the thread for mod confirmation, forcing the hosts to lie to us. Only in bastard games that could happen.

I don't disagree with you, but that isn't what you said. You said that universal backups can only inherit roles from the same faction as them. It is not at all clear that this is the case here. I'm done talking about this though because it doesn't matter for the situation at hand.

Universal Backups can only inherit roles from their own faction, again, PERIOD.

If it wasnt because he hard pushed Owner for her yeet, going out of their way to yeet her, i'd think Seanzie is scum.

Maybe Seanzie is the hellbusser.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 1:59 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 1:57 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 1:54 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 1:48 pm I didnt know The Syndicate had a page?

If we go to MS which most hosts refer to get info about running roles, we'll find the definitions for Universal Backups in NORMAL games:

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... sal_Backup

They don't, that's my point. You're making faulty assumptions about what is considered "bastard".

To use your own reference, under "variations", they clearly mention that a universal backup could be designed which inherits power roles from either side. If you think all role variants are bastard... well your definition of bastard would not fit with what I think almost everyone else uses to describe bastard.

BRUH! UNDER VARIATIONS IT SAYS OUTSIDE OF NORMAL GAMES yada yada yada

Sure, but the "normal games" thing is a MS defined term, not a universally recognized mafia thing. You're being hardheaded.

Can we just chop Guillo? I'm kind of done with him.

Seanzie. Mafia Scum is universally recognized. It is the oldest forum mafia board in the planet. It's like the bible of mafia.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 1:59 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 1:57 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 1:54 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 1:48 pm I didnt know The Syndicate had a page?

If we go to MS which most hosts refer to get info about running roles, we'll find the definitions for Universal Backups in NORMAL games:

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... sal_Backup

They don't, that's my point. You're making faulty assumptions about what is considered "bastard".

To use your own reference, under "variations", they clearly mention that a universal backup could be designed which inherits power roles from either side. If you think all role variants are bastard... well your definition of bastard would not fit with what I think almost everyone else uses to describe bastard.

BRUH! UNDER VARIATIONS IT SAYS OUTSIDE OF NORMAL GAMES yada yada yada

Sure, but the "normal games" thing is a MS defined term, not a universally recognized mafia thing. You're being hardheaded.

Can we just chop Guillo? I'm kind of done with him.

Dont chop me, shoot me with the desperado shot instead. What do you think?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 1:58 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 1:50 pm If this game was bastard i would consider it, as well as i'd consider a modposter and a torturer, but im playing the game as advertised by the hosts, not bastard.

If the game turns out to be bastard then we never had a chance.

Also, Sloonei indicated that they have a choice of which role they choose, so unless Sloonei is just lying, the role they have does not fit the role on MS's wiki.

Seanzie, mafia cannot inherit Desperado because it forces them to either shoot town commiting suicide and then revealing its flip as mafia, or having to play against their wincon and shoot one of their own. Or if there is a inno child in the game, mafia cannot inherit that role then post to the thread for mod confirmation, forcing the hosts to lie to us. Only in bastard games that could happen.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 1:54 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 1:48 pm I didnt know The Syndicate had a page?

If we go to MS which most hosts refer to get info about running roles, we'll find the definitions for Universal Backups in NORMAL games:

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... sal_Backup

They don't, that's my point. You're making faulty assumptions about what is considered "bastard".

To use your own reference, under "variations", they clearly mention that a universal backup could be designed which inherits power roles from either side. If you think all role variants are bastard... well your definition of bastard would not fit with what I think almost everyone else uses to describe bastard.

BRUH! UNDER VARIATIONS IT SAYS OUTSIDE OF NORMAL GAMES yada yada yada

If this game was bastard i would consider it, as well as i'd consider a modposter and a torturer, but im playing the game as advertised by the hosts, not bastard.

If the game turns out to be bastard then we never had a chance.

I didnt know The Syndicate had a page?

If we go to MS which most hosts refer to get info about running roles, we'll find the definitions for Universal Backups in NORMAL games:

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... sal_Backup

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 1:31 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 1:12 pm

bad bunny wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 8:24 am Mafia being a backup in this situation is a bit weird, because if they become a desperado then its suicide or dont shoot right? That seems weird mechanically. So would this mean Sloonei is likely town for being a backup or not?

Universal backup can only inherit a role from their own faction.

I think you should not just assume all the roles are exactly the roles you are familiar with. Universal backup can do whatever Marmot and Dizzy allow them to do, so this assumption is dubious.

Universal backups can only inherit roles from their own factions in normal games, PERIOD!!

This is mot a bastard game so it applies.

bad bunny wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 8:24 am Mafia being a backup in this situation is a bit weird, because if they become a desperado then its suicide or dont shoot right? That seems weird mechanically. So would this mean Sloonei is likely town for being a backup or not?

Universal backup can only inherit a role from their own faction.

Im thinking the poisoner is 3P with unlimited shots, and town/mafia roles are all one shots.
Hawk was town healer and Martin is the mafia healer who either fake claimed to have tried to save town!alison, or attempted to actually save scum!alison.

And if you are scum Gnome then it's good for us too. It's a win-win

Garden Gnome wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 11:14 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 11:13 am @Sloonei I'd shoot Garden Gnome.

Are you scum reading Sloonei?

No. I'm townreading you and if what i think it's correct, i'd be negating scum an easy mischop. Forcing them to kill a lurking inno child (you) at night than a town leading voice.

@Sloonei I'd shoot Garden Gnome.

What if there is modposter in this game.... but that would be bastard though... never mind.m

“The Torturer may each night torture a person. The tortured target is safe from attacks and cannot perform any night actions. In addition, the Torturer may communicate privately with their target, and at any point before night is over the Torturer may choose to execute their target.”

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 10:46 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 10:44 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 10:25 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 10:19 am @JaggedJimmyJay how did you guys come to the conclusion that an important pr to town as the roleblocker was a better death than yourself?

Gavial trusted me to use my big booming voice to help chop hawkataine (oops) and generally understood that I am more likely to influence a following than he is. His strength as a blocker is also lessened by his being outed.

How so?

Mafia can block him or design their night actions around him.

So you think Mafia has a roleblocker too?

Garden Gnome wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 10:38 am

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 10:35 am

Garden Gnome wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 10:34 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 10:31 am

Garden Gnome wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 10:31 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 10:29 am @Garden Gnome just gonna sort something first to ensure there are no unfortunate shenanigans if Sloonei decides to shoot you today. I might not be bothered though.

If Sloonei shoots me today, I die.
You will be fine.

You die eh?

Doesn't shooting lead to dead?

Gnome, the way desperado works is if the target is scum, scum dies. If the target is town, the shooter dies.

Oh, sorry, I forgot about desperado. The result will not be good for Sloonei.
So, I know, that silly confusion led you to think that I am scum.
Which I'm not.
But if Sloonei shoots me, you'll have your answer about my alignment.
I would prefer for Sloonei not to waste his shot and die, however.

Yah i dont think Gnome is mafia.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 10:25 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 10:19 am @JaggedJimmyJay how did you guys come to the conclusion that an important pr to town as the roleblocker was a better death than yourself?

Gavial trusted me to use my big booming voice to help chop hawkataine (oops) and generally understood that I am more likely to influence a following than he is. His strength as a blocker is also lessened by his being outed.

How so?

Alison wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 10:10 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 10:04 am

Alison wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:39 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:35 am How would you have played getting poisoned n1 as scum with a healer teammate after bussing?

probably similar to modern family, bus d1 and then float through the rest of the game on the cred from that largely pushing town.

the bus everyone and go super deep strat is worse in closed role madness because you can easily get screwed by mech, and it is also worse when there is a 3P poisoner who could be lobbing shots at the most trusted townies. plus because my mafia teammates can now die in the night, if I bus too hard it risks getting my whole team decimated.

Except we didnt know there was a poisoner on D1....

reread mac's question again please.

Got it

Alison wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 10:10 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 9:56 am

Alison wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 9:46 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 9:17 am

Alison wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:06 am hello again

i have no intention of reading through 10 posts of guillo having stupid arguments with whoever.

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

What a stupid slip but i'll take it. If you havent read my arguments how do you figure they are stupid, somebody else told you? Someone in your mafia chat for example?

because every argument you've been in in this game has been stupid and so when i scroll through the latest page and see alternating instances of your avatar and mac's avatar I come to the assumption that you are in fact in another stupid argument.

I dont buy it. I caught you in three instances of TMI in this game.

We need Martin to flip. I need to know for sure that he is a town healer, cause if he is a mafia healer, Alison is scum.

just because gavial is out of the game doesn't mean you have to follow in his footsteps

Your tone implies that as a bad thing but if JJJ is town, he made a great sacrifice and i'll take it as a compliment to be associated with him.

@JaggedJimmyJay how did you guys come to the conclusion that an important pr to town as the roleblocker was a better death than yourself?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:51 am

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:41 am

bad bunny wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:38 am I do think Alison getting healed twice is a bit sus

But maybe martin was just certain she was village? idfk

Why would healers target anyone other than the person who was poisoned?

Tbh it makes sense to heal Alison. I have no issue with it.

I am curious if the person who chose the n1 poison did so anticipating the heal tho. I think they chose a target that was always drawing a heal and subsequent targets are players who are not likely to. So there is a chance the n1 poison was made knowing it wouldn't work. Then one asks why?

If the poisoner wanted to kill why target someone who draws heals and looks super townie off day 1 play? Either they had no idea they'd be prevented, or they did so to bait as many heals as they could, or they did so specifically to make Alison look good.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:39 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:35 am How would you have played getting poisoned n1 as scum with a healer teammate after bussing?

probably similar to modern family, bus d1 and then float through the rest of the game on the cred from that largely pushing town.

the bus everyone and go super deep strat is worse in closed role madness because you can easily get screwed by mech, and it is also worse when there is a 3P poisoner who could be lobbing shots at the most trusted townies. plus because my mafia teammates can now die in the night, if I bus too hard it risks getting my whole team decimated.

Except we didnt know there was a poisoner on D1....