The Syndicate

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:58 pm two joats one is confirmed town
two healers one is flipped town

why not martin and lost monkey?

Who’s the other joat?

Esooa wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:48 pm what about allcrab/lost monkey(not together)

These are the other two names I would wedge in there.

But LoMo’s claim is doubly verified: on Night 1 he watched Jay and got results that allcrab can corroborate. On Night 2 he blocked me and I was indeed roleblocked.

We have already had two roleblockers flip, one for each alignment. So I believe LoMo’s JOAT claim. I won’t say that a mafia joat is completely impossible in a closed role madness game, but I don’t think it’s the most likely thing ever.

His block and protection targets are both questionable.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:45 pm I don't think Esooa and Nanook are mafia.

For me the mafia solve is down to [Made, Mac] and [Martin, Alison]. Does anyone have a reason why this is the wrong approach?

Does it have to be specifically these pairs together?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:39 pm I thought you were outed to nutella interactives d1 and probably you'd be dead if not for being vouched for. You are psuedo solving today. You have no actual evidence for me being a wolf and the way Alison sheeped your push when you were both townreading me before is heavily suspect.

I wonder how long Sloonei vouches for you til the tinfoil sets in.

[Vouching continues]

Is Gnome also mafia?

Esooa wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 8:22 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 10:34 pm
Sonny wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 10:30 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 10:27 pm
Gavial wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 5:23 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 5:17 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 5:16 pm Guillo's perspective is wack to me but in a town indicative way
prob
Yep I’m convinced.
Jimmy!Scum TMI’s Nutella!Town
This is an obvious pocket for scum Jimmy.
Sorry, I can’t make our date tonight, Percy. I read this post and started throwing up.
Why?

I understand most individual words that yall are writing, but the context seems like it's a foreign language.
“Player A has a more confident read on Player B than I do, it must be TMI” is not an inspiring read.
hmm

JJJ, I get the feeling Sloonei would want to upholster a partners look in-thread when they first enter it. This is the opposite. So I think it's towny from Sloonei

Do you think so?

psst hey esooa i am mechanically confirmed town now

@Esooa re: tangy

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 1:19 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:58 pm If I drop dead, Tang is confirmed town. Otherwise, she will drop dead instead and flip as scum, and I will be confirmed town. Stay tuned.
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 1:16 pm Roses are red
Violets are blue
Blood is also red
Spilling out of you

@Belzy has died!

Spoiler: show
She was a Town 1-Shot Desperado

The day continues. Please do not vote for Belzy. Any vote for Belzy in the poll at the end of the day will be considered an unvote.
"Desperado" is a vigilante role that dies if it targets a civilian, to those who've not seen it before. Belzy told us she was targeting Tangy. Belzy died. Tangy is mechanically confirmed as not mafia.

Esooa wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:20 pm
Tangrowth wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 4:54 pm How does one catch Alison as scum anyway? This is not a rhetorical question.
Does Tangy ask things like this as town? I really hate questions like this.

What are people's reads on TSP?

Why is Made being voted atm?

TangyStarkPrime is mechanically confirmed as Not Mafia, but is a 3P candidate.

Made is being voted because of a combination of POE and lack of content on his part.

Esooa wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:16 pm how many mafia are left>

The working theory is 2, but we have no confirmation of this.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:22 pm Martin's is obviously the worst. Could be some weirdness around Alison's vote manip but I kinda glazed over it.

The rest are plausible if not outright obviously real. The lovers and masons are real so that's 4.

The only claims that disqualify themselves from poisoner are the masons and lovers though.

Mostly agreed. I feel like my claim should be excluded from poisoner contention because my killing action was publicly verified, but that's whatever and I have no reason to make a fuss about it.

I have trouble seeing Alison as mafia. It is not impossible, but I have trouble seeing it right now. Martin is a town read, but he is a viable mafia candidate if you and/or Made are town. I have not loved Made's push on Martin today.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:18 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:18 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:17 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:15 pm I put a vote on Made but quickly changed it to Mac in the interest of keeping the thread close for the time being. So uh [VOTE: mac] aubergine for the aubergine record
come on guy
It's a small pool of suspects.
Yes well I am town and sleepwalking to me/made is gonna end up bad if you don't put some thought into other possibilities ahead of time.

How would you rank the claims in terms of believability/confirmed-ness?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:17 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:15 pm I put a vote on Made but quickly changed it to Mac in the interest of keeping the thread close for the time being. So uh [VOTE: mac] aubergine for the aubergine record
come on guy

It's a small pool of suspects.

I put a vote on Made but quickly changed it to Mac in the interest of keeping the thread close for the time being. So uh [VOTE: mac] aubergine for the aubergine record

Made wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:55 pm And to be fair, yesterday I pushed cleared players lmao. The first player I iso'd today way Allcrab, Ur not reading my post sloonei

You asked a question about whether Allcrab was cleared and offered no follow-up.

RE: Martin, I also feel like his reaction to Hawk's roleclaim on Day 3 looked authentic. I do not know whether or not Mafia Martin reacts as strongly as he did there, but my guess is that he does not.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:53 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:52 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:50 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:49 pm Big List of Claims for the Soup Killer
Alison - Vote Enhancer
Allcrab - Conditional watcher
Garden Gnome - Homewrecker Casual Lover w/ Jay
Guillotine - Mason w/ Nanook
JaggedJimmyJay - Casual Lover w/ Gnome
lost monkey - Jack of all Trades
MacDougall - N/A
Made - N/A
MartinGG99 - Healer
NANOOK - Mason w/ Guillotine
Sloonei - Backup-turned-desperado
TonyStarkPrime - N/A, but confirmed Not Mafia
What soup killer lol
idk man we're on a date, someone's definitely gonna poison our soup
We have seen no evidence of mass kill or soup yet. I doubt there is any.

i was joking, Mac Dougall.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:50 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:49 pm Big List of Claims for the Soup Killer
Alison - Vote Enhancer
Allcrab - Conditional watcher
Garden Gnome - Homewrecker Casual Lover w/ Jay
Guillotine - Mason w/ Nanook
JaggedJimmyJay - Casual Lover w/ Gnome
lost monkey - Jack of all Trades
MacDougall - N/A
Made - N/A
MartinGG99 - Healer
NANOOK - Mason w/ Guillotine
Sloonei - Backup-turned-desperado
TonyStarkPrime - N/A, but confirmed Not Mafia
What soup killer lol

idk man we're on a date, someone's definitely gonna poison our soup

Big List of Claims for the Soup Killer
Alison - Vote Enhancer
Allcrab - Conditional watcher
Garden Gnome - Homewrecker Casual Lover w/ Jay
Guillotine - Mason w/ Nanook
JaggedJimmyJay - Casual Lover w/ Gnome
lost monkey - Jack of all Trades
MacDougall - N/A
Made - N/A
MartinGG99 - Healer
NANOOK - Mason w/ Guillotine
Sloonei - Backup-turned-desperado
TonyStarkPrime - N/A, but confirmed Not Mafia

Made wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:43 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:42 pm
Made wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:40 pm let's try this one!
[VOTE: Martin] aubergine
Your focus so far today has been almost exclusively spent on Martin. Why is this?
This isn't true, but I'm reading his iso so that's where my heads at. Do you have thoughts on Martin?

Yes, you have already asked me for them and I gave them to you.
Let me rephrase my concern: You came into today as the consensus top suspect. You have begun the day by picking Martin's name as the one you will be ISOing first. You have very quickly and very vehemently (by your standards in this game so far) campaigned for Martin to receive votes. Without looking at anyone else first.

It makes me think you pre-selected Martin as the most viable mischop in the game last night, and now you're trying to push us there.

Made wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:40 pm let's try this one!
[VOTE: Martin] aubergine

Your focus so far today has been almost exclusively spent on Martin. Why is this?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:38 pm I have another pair.

Jay and Sloonei.

He left for me a gnome.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:31 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:28 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:27 pm jay and gnome are pseudo-masons. Guillotine claims to be one half of a separate mason pairing. Does this make sense?
Guillotine is mason with the other mafia person left.
That is ridiculous. Masons are guaranteed to be town.

That is not what he is suggesting. He's saying your claim is fake.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:30 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:29 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:24 pm Is shooting orangecrush actually clearing given they were floundering. I've seen stranger mafia decisions. Maybe Sloonei is just some mafia counter balance to belzy.
I was blocked trying to pick up Belzy's role on Night 2 and lost monkey has now corroborated this by claiming to have blocked me that night.
You ever learn anything about how your 1-shot was refunded to you, if that's what happened?

Nope. I was asked about this yesterday too and my response was to point that the phrase "1-shot" did not actually appear anywhere in my original rolecard. I described it as such because it was a single-use ability by design, but I guess it was not technically "1-shot", it was just an ability that changed to something else after it got used. The desperado role was explicitly described as "1-shot."

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:24 pm Is shooting orangecrush actually clearing given they were floundering. I've seen stranger mafia decisions. Maybe Sloonei is just some mafia counter balance to belzy.

I was blocked trying to pick up Belzy's role on Night 2 and lost monkey has now corroborated this by claiming to have blocked me that night.

jay and gnome are pseudo-masons. Guillotine claims to be one half of a separate mason pairing. Does this make sense?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:05 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:04 pm Also want to remind folks that Mac is the most appropriate Syndicat to come up with locking me in a room with Gavial.
You sound like you're trying to convince yourself.

But it's ok Jay. I forgive you.

Who bad?

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:02 pm LoMo is now hyper clear because he is confirmed to be JOAT with a watcher shot (corroborated by Allcrab) and a roleblocker shot (corroborated by Sloonei being blocked). A mafia JOAT with 1x watcher and 1x roleblocker on a team with a mafia roleblocker is implausible and beggars belief. This increases Mac's scum equity since Mac wanted to get us to suspect LoMo.

I do want to question the decisions to block me and protect allcrab though.

@Made I would not say that particular post from Martin influenced my decision. But earlier in the day, martin was on my shortlist of potential targets (along with OC), and I thought Martin’s play throughout the phase looked the most town of all the players on said shortlist. So, indirectly, Martin influenced my decision by making me not want to shoot him.

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:54 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:53 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:52 pm I vote manipulated Jay.
Why?
Every night I can give someone an extra vote.

I gave Jay an extra vote last night.

Word.

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:52 pm I vote manipulated Jay.

Why?

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:45 pm
Garden Gnome wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:42 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:18 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:16 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:14 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:13 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:06 pm JJJ: I have a secret way of resolving Gnome, don't worry about her

*Gnome gets poisoned*

HMMM
I'll just claim since Gnome is poisoned.

I'm a "casual lover". I can choose each day to activate my role to become a lover with whoever the other lover is. Eventually Gnome and I found each other in the thread. I had refused to use the role until Night 4 since I am always a kill target and didn't want two town needlessly dead without learning more. Gnome being the lover made it more appealing, since she's deep in the POE. If I had died last night she'd have gone with me, clearing up the slot.

The "benefit" of our lovership is that we become mutual voyeurs the same night we engage in casual love to learn about any abilities targeting one another. That has struck me as mostly weak. We also shared BTSC last night. For what it's worth I think Gnome seemed mostly town-like in there.

I have two ability targets on Gnome from last night, one of which was the poison. I won't reveal the other just yet.
So you’re dead at the end of today too?
No. It's only a night thing, and on the same night it's activated. Our casual fling is over.

To be clear it could have happened multiple times, but poison.
I see.
@Garden Gnome do you have anything to add?
Yes. JJJ was vote manipulated.
I don't know what that means.
But I think that JJJ's votes will be wonky today.
Do not pay attention to the votes...
Vote manipulation?

Yah no, this game is officially bastard. We've been lied to.

Vote manipulation is not bastard.

Gavial was a roleblocker.
Sonnycrush was a roleblocker.
Lost monkey claims to be a joat who had a roleblock.

lost monkey wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:37 pm
Allcrab wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:35 pm
lost monkey wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:33 pm Heads up btw since i have used all the one shots i have had, me and allcrab do not have the same roles. I am the JOAT. So yeah there could be a possibility that martin may be scum.
I take it not much came of them?
N1 was useful, N2 i blocked sloonei and N4 tried protecting you.

WELL i did what I needed to do anyway.

lost monkey wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:33 pm Heads up btw since i have used all the one shots i have had, me and allcrab do not have the same roles. I am the JOAT. So yeah there could be a possibility that martin may be scum.

No dizzy’s the joat!

Nanook and lost monkey are the living players I have given the least thought to in this game.

Made wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:25 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:23 pm
Made wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:22 pm HI friends, sorry for missing yesterday, i got my start of day/end of days dates twisted. Before I waste my time in iso hell, is Allcrab cleared for any reason? I see they claimed on day 2 and alison didn't buy it, but then they got a red check on owner.
Why do you ask?
cuz you embarresed me yesterday, and I'm trying not to spend all my time in thread reading cleared folk :P

Lol.

I am cleared because I desperado’d orangecrush yesterday.
TangyStarkPrime is still clear for being desperado’d on Day 2.
We can now possibly treat Jay/Garden Gnome as pseudo-cleared because of Gnome’s poisoning and Jay’s claim. It Gnome flips as something other than what Jay has claimed for her, that changes. But I think the likelihood of that happening is zilch.

Other than that we have no mechanically cleared players.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:22 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:16 pm I have a thing to say about Mac: when I correctly called him mafia in Fallout, he responded with personal irritation. When I suggested my theory about him and nutella in this game, he responded with personal irritation.
Can you remind me of your nutella/Mac theory?

The thing about Mac presenting a certain image of mafia nutella so that he could appear better in relation to her.

Made wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:22 pm HI friends, sorry for missing yesterday, i got my start of day/end of days dates twisted. Before I waste my time in iso hell, is Allcrab cleared for any reason? I see they claimed on day 2 and alison didn't buy it, but then they got a red check on owner.

Why do you ask?

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:20 pm I believe the casual lovers are both town because it would be a cruel game design decision to force mafia to have a member loverized with an unknown townie.

This is irrelevant, but in an old school RYM game the theme was “vampires”, with the mafia team comprised of famous vampire characters and the town as humans.
I was Edward, my lover was Bella. We were not the same alignment. Bella figured this out in exactly two seconds. It was indeed cruel game design.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:16 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:14 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:13 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:06 pm JJJ: I have a secret way of resolving Gnome, don't worry about her

*Gnome gets poisoned*

HMMM
I'll just claim since Gnome is poisoned.

I'm a "casual lover". I can choose each day to activate my role to become a lover with whoever the other lover is. Eventually Gnome and I found each other in the thread. I had refused to use the role until Night 4 since I am always a kill target and didn't want two town needlessly dead without learning more. Gnome being the lover made it more appealing, since she's deep in the POE. If I had died last night she'd have gone with me, clearing up the slot.

The "benefit" of our lovership is that we become mutual voyeurs the same night we engage in casual love to learn about any abilities targeting one another. That has struck me as mostly weak. We also shared BTSC last night. For what it's worth I think Gnome seemed mostly town-like in there.

I have two ability targets on Gnome from last night, one of which was the poison. I won't reveal the other just yet.
So you’re dead at the end of today too?
No. It's only a night thing, and on the same night it's activated. Our casual fling is over.

To be clear it could have happened multiple times, but poison.

I see.
@Garden Gnome do you have anything to add?

I have a thing to say about Mac: when I correctly called him mafia in Fallout, he responded with personal irritation. When I suggested my theory about him and nutella in this game, he responded with personal irritation.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:13 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:06 pm JJJ: I have a secret way of resolving Gnome, don't worry about her

*Gnome gets poisoned*

HMMM
I'll just claim since Gnome is poisoned.

I'm a "casual lover". I can choose each day to activate my role to become a lover with whoever the other lover is. Eventually Gnome and I found each other in the thread. I had refused to use the role until Night 4 since I am always a kill target and didn't want two town needlessly dead without learning more. Gnome being the lover made it more appealing, since she's deep in the POE. If I had died last night she'd have gone with me, clearing up the slot.

The "benefit" of our lovership is that we become mutual voyeurs the same night we engage in casual love to learn about any abilities targeting one another. That has struck me as mostly weak. We also shared BTSC last night. For what it's worth I think Gnome seemed mostly town-like in there.

I have two ability targets on Gnome from last night, one of which was the poison. I won't reveal the other just yet.

So you’re dead at the end of today too?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:11 pm ok so I decided to get into this game by reading ISOs and I got about to the point in Alison’s iso where I got desperadoed and I stopped reading so if anyone wants to catch me up pls do

If you feel like it, you could get into things by ISOing the three flipped mafiers for interactions.

Idk how else to catch you up on things. We’ve had lots of success so far and you are confirmed as Not Mafia, so uh go team.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:04 pm MacDougall mafia

Neat. Is this hard and factual or just a jaggedjimmygut read?

I did not think I’d still be alive.

Excellent job, seanzie. You done good.

Let me also quote Shakespeare: “ass.”

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 3:14 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 3:10 pm Regardless of your alignment Act it’s been a pleasure and I’m glad you’ve been a part of the crossover experience.
Thank you This has been so fun!!! Everyone here is so great, and I’ve truly enjoyed every minute of this game with you all (even if I didn’t love my role lol).

Thank you for playing. Sorry it’s ending like this.

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 3:05 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 3:02 pm @Actvscenei wanna leave us with some legacy reads? What should we do when you flip something other than mafia?
I’ve left lots of my thoughts already. What else do you need?

For you to restate or update them in the present in an easy-to-consume manner. You are the runaway favorite to be eliminated today. Surely you have thoughts on what has transpired here.

@Actvscenei wanna leave us with some legacy reads? What should we do when you flip something other than mafia?

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 2:53 pm Who are you all arguing with? Who, other than Bad Bunny, has suggested I live? Instead of spending these hours considering a world in which I’m telling the truth and what that could mean for mafia possibilities, you all spent it thinking I’m lying and convincing yourselves why I’m the preferred yeet.

We’ve already done that, tbh. Now we’re just waiting for your flip so we can move forward.

I do not think there is a compelling reason not to eliminate act today.

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