The Syndicate

I remember there was a little bit of talk about it at some point but that wasn't right after I said something and I'm not sure where it would be.

Kind of a random thought but I wonder if I have to post 77 times today.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 10:39 pm Here's some interesting mech info. From Kate's role:
-You will become mafia, gaining BTSC with all other members a full phase after becoming mafia.

So if pyxxy's conversion was similar, then he wouldn't have BTSC with John Doe d2. I'm not sure if "a full phase" means day and night cycle or just a day phase.

And I noticed last night that John Doe has a profile in the setup roles spoiler. Here's the only thing on conversion from it:
You start with no teammates. If a Deadly Sin changes to align with you, you will immediately know their identity but ???

So John Doe would know pyxxy's alignment, but would pyxxy know John Doe's alignment? I'd guess so and I'll solve in a world where he does but it's possible he doesn't.

Here's where I talked about it.

Dubz wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 1:50 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 1:48 pm I saw the JD one quite a bit earlier, I think it was day 3 so that's been around for awhile.

Did you say anything about it? I would have thought that would be something to discuss but if it came up I missed it. I didn't think to look back at that part of the post at all.

I did and there was some speculation about it earlier.

Dubz wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 1:45 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 1:33 pm Why would that role even be revealed? I haven't checked the role list in awhile but it wasn't there a couple phases ago.

The others that are revealed in that post besides JD were all roles that were eliminated during the day so I can only think it was an error...maybe?

Or there's some kind of ability to...reveal that kind of thing? I don't know.

It would be a really weird error if it were one and the JD reveal happened so maybe it's an ability.

Dubz wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 1:47 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 1:45 pm The question is should we vote Dubz.

Scotty wrote:-if all other Deadly Sins die or change alignment before all Virtues are dead, you will become town-aligned
-If all Virtues die before all other Sins die, you will become mafia, gaining BTSC with all other members a full phase after becoming mafia.

If the 2 other sins changed to mafia, Dubz would be town. If one or more of the other sins didn't change, Dubz would be 3p. From Dubz's reaction I'd guess she's 3p lol. There's one virtue left alive so Dubz can't actually be mafia.

Please don't TT_TT

I don't think I will. I want to find JD.

Matahari wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 1:44 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 1:33 pm Why would that role even be revealed? I haven't checked the role list in awhile but it wasn't there a couple phases ago.

I wondered the same. The role isn’t dead yet, but Diligence is dead. Maybe a mistake, or maybe when diligence died, it affected her counterpart?

I don't really think that's true, since a lot of virtues died and only 3 sins are revealed.

I saw the JD one quite a bit earlier, I think it was day 3 so that's been around for awhile.

The question is should we vote Dubz.

Scotty wrote:-if all other Deadly Sins die or change alignment before all Virtues are dead, you will become town-aligned
-If all Virtues die before all other Sins die, you will become mafia, gaining BTSC with all other members a full phase after becoming mafia.

If the 2 other sins changed to mafia, Dubz would be town. If one or more of the other sins didn't change, Dubz would be 3p. From Dubz's reaction I'd guess she's 3p lol. There's one virtue left alive so Dubz can't actually be mafia.

Yeah, I reread Dubz's claim and I'm fairly sure she's sloth. Especially with how she seemed sure the other person who hands out post restrictions is a mimic and she was the real post restricting role. Sloth definitely doesn't seem like a mimic or someone who hands the restriction out without consequence.

Why would that role even be revealed? I haven't checked the role list in awhile but it wasn't there a couple phases ago.

Scotty wrote:You are Sloth, one of the Seven Deadly Sins.

Image

You are self aligned. Your current win condition is to be the last man standing.
Alternatively, your alignment can change:
-if all other Deadly Sins die or change alignment before all Virtues are dead, you will become town-aligned
-If all Virtues die before all other Sins die, you will become mafia, gaining BTSC with all other members a full phase after becoming mafia.

You represent the avoidance of physical or spiritual work

If you vote for Diligence, your vote will be worth +1.

As a night action, you may target a player. They will be told “it would be wise to not talk much” the following day.
If ???

Mata's right, I looked at the role list and this was there. I think this is just Dubz's role since this seems like something used every night while the other restriction I think has to do with telling people to post a lot too.

Matahari wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 12:52 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 12:32 pm

Matahari wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 10:41 am @S~V~S while I agree that the game can’t be completely based on the movie, I firmly believe that John Doe knew who the two detectives were, just like in the movie, and just like in the game’s opening story. Of course he can’t nk them, otherwise, what would be the point? But he can try to get them lynched.

So how is this for solving? Look at the votes for Portia all throughout day one, and the conversation around Portia, and bob’s your uncle. Bam, big man is gone.

Obviously, my thoughts return to either Mac or Zenon. If Mac is John Doe, and has an odd night tracking ability, then I have to wonder what his even night ability is. Well, he did mention that now he had outed himself, he will probably die. And yet he fearlessly continues being the self appointed game leader. How brave! And why not? He knows Doe will not want to be tracked, so we’re grateful for your sacrifice Mac.

I came here last night to catch up and try to float this idea about John Doe, but I was so busy picking my jaw up off the floor that I never got around to it. Anyway, I hear that Stockholm syndrome is going around and I sure don’t want to catch it, so Im outta here.

Mata naming Mac here would be taking a risk as JD. I'm a little confused about the section of the post on Mac since it looks like she had him in her PoE but then says she's grateful for his sacrifice.

I’m sorry, I should have used sarcastic orange for that part. I was saying in a roundabout way, that Mac was JD, and of course, he wasn’t going to kill himself. So he was safe enough outing his ability.

I didn't realize sarcastic orange existed tbh.

Matahari wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 12:48 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 12:17 pm

Matahari wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 5:15 pm I’ve been trying to decide who to vote between Tutuu, Michelle, and Doom. I would expect a lone wolf to keep up a presence in the thread, not too over the top, but not slanking either. Michelle and Doom fit that expectation, but Tutuu could be a very ballsy player who tried an aggressive approach instead. I’m probably going to vote Tutuu, but I’ll wait a bit longer.

Looking at Mata rn I'm wondering why she voted Tutuu out of the three since Tutuu didn't fit her expectation of a lone wolf while the other two did. Because Tutuu could be an aggressive JD doesn't mean she was likely to.

Because I’m rarely sure of who is bad on the first day of a game. My usual practice is to see who has the most controversy around them and if I can’t get a better vibe or gut feeling on who is bad, then I choose the person with controversy. In Tutuu’s case, it was pointed out that she may have slipped, but I didn’t immediately think she was bad because of that. Her explanation could have very well been true. But then her posting style changed enough that a few people commented on it. A few people said they didn’t ever remember her posting so much, or using all caps. So my vote for her was because maybe she did slip, and afterwards felt like she might as well just have fun with it because she figured she had been caught. And I know that’s not much of a case against someone, but it’s very hard to find a wolf on day 1. So I chose the only person I saw who was acting in an odd way.

Okay, that's plausible. Where are you at right now?

Matahari wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 10:41 am @S~V~S while I agree that the game can’t be completely based on the movie, I firmly believe that John Doe knew who the two detectives were, just like in the movie, and just like in the game’s opening story. Of course he can’t nk them, otherwise, what would be the point? But he can try to get them lynched.

So how is this for solving? Look at the votes for Portia all throughout day one, and the conversation around Portia, and bob’s your uncle. Bam, big man is gone.

Obviously, my thoughts return to either Mac or Zenon. If Mac is John Doe, and has an odd night tracking ability, then I have to wonder what his even night ability is. Well, he did mention that now he had outed himself, he will probably die. And yet he fearlessly continues being the self appointed game leader. How brave! And why not? He knows Doe will not want to be tracked, so we’re grateful for your sacrifice Mac.

I came here last night to catch up and try to float this idea about John Doe, but I was so busy picking my jaw up off the floor that I never got around to it. Anyway, I hear that Stockholm syndrome is going around and I sure don’t want to catch it, so Im outta here.

Mata naming Mac here would be taking a risk as JD. I'm a little confused about the section of the post on Mac since it looks like she had him in her PoE but then says she's grateful for his sacrifice.

Matahari wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 5:31 pm

Zenon wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 5:28 pm

Matahari wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 5:15 pm I’ve been trying to decide who to vote between Tutuu, Michelle, and Doom. I would expect a lone wolf to keep up a presence in the thread, not too over the top, but not slanking either. Michelle and Doom fit that expectation, but Tutuu could be a very ballsy player who tried an aggressive approach instead. I’m probably going to vote Tutuu, but I’ll wait a bit longer.

Doom is hella town pls don't make me have to lose my mind defending this.

Thank you for that. I’m not familiar with anyone’s meta, so I appreciate comments like this, it will help me to get to know Doom better.

Mata interacted with Doom and I think she believed Doom was town on meta and might have believed she was more widely townread than she was.

Matahari wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 5:15 pm I’ve been trying to decide who to vote between Tutuu, Michelle, and Doom. I would expect a lone wolf to keep up a presence in the thread, not too over the top, but not slanking either. Michelle and Doom fit that expectation, but Tutuu could be a very ballsy player who tried an aggressive approach instead. I’m probably going to vote Tutuu, but I’ll wait a bit longer.

Looking at Mata rn I'm wondering why she voted Tutuu out of the three since Tutuu didn't fit her expectation of a lone wolf while the other two did. Because Tutuu could be an aggressive JD doesn't mean she was likely to.

I think Dubz is a sin who did what she claimed. I don't think she's JD so I'll look elsewhere for a chop.

Rn I'm having trouble getting only 2 townreads. Falcon is likely going to die and I think if he were bad he might just shut his mouth instead of making a PoE and reading others at all, so he's the closest thing I have to a townread. That means there's only room for one more town unless one or more sins changed to town.

Dubz wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 11:36 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 11:34 am

Dubz wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 11:32 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 11:30 am Wow I pop into the thread and find that “getting to block SVS” is a thing lol.

7 posts? That actually makes sense. I am already at 4 so I think you’ll get to block me girlfriend.

I think something else killed Tutuu, so I’m not gonna worry about it.

Michelle why you trying to protect someone you think killed Tutuu and might kill me?

I love this game it’s so confusing.

It would just be like, really great to do one good thing with my ability. So pls be scum and let me block you, thanks.

Why choose SVS?

I thought she was more likely to be JD than mata. Idk. I was kinda flailing after nook flipped town. Submitted the action with a bunch of question marks.

I believe this for a small reason tbh. I don't think you'd think of lying about submitting the action with a bunch of question marks.

Dubz wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 11:32 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 11:30 am Wow I pop into the thread and find that “getting to block SVS” is a thing lol.

7 posts? That actually makes sense. I am already at 4 so I think you’ll get to block me girlfriend.

I think something else killed Tutuu, so I’m not gonna worry about it.

Michelle why you trying to protect someone you think killed Tutuu and might kill me?

I love this game it’s so confusing.

It would just be like, really great to do one good thing with my ability. So pls be scum and let me block you, thanks.

Why choose SVS?

I believe Dubz' claim now although I don't think it's necessarily a town claim. She's acting like someone who knows what she did was real imo.

Dubz wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 11:26 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 11:21 am

Dubz wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 11:19 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 11:17 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 11:07 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 11:03 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 10:51 am
Can you, like, explain your thoughts? Have you read ky posts? Why is someone solving suspicious?

I think Dubz is a sin. The 2 actions with post restrictions can't be both in town. Or maybe they are?

RBing by this action is weak for JD, imo.

I'm wondering if she didn't actually put a post restriction on Nanook or Jack. She likely did RB Nanook but it could have been something else other than the restriction.

If the action would be different she wouldn't claim it ig

Nanook only posted 11 times d3. I'm not sure if that's really enough to trigger a roleblock if the roleblock is a consequence.

It is

I mean you have to take my word for it I guess, but it was enough times.

No one else is claiming SVS's restriction today, no one else claimed tutuu's, no one else claimed blocking nanook. The only action I can't account for is Jack because he died that night.

I believe you blocked Nanook. I'm just not sure if the post restriction is what caused it.

And I'm not sure why you would doubt it? Like it's a clear sequence of events from I acted on Nanook n2 to he was blocked n3.

Because of Nanook not posting much and because I wasn't convinced Nanook had a post restriction on him since he didn't claim it.

Dubz wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 11:23 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 11:20 am

Dubz wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 11:19 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 11:17 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 11:07 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 11:03 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 10:51 am
Can you, like, explain your thoughts? Have you read ky posts? Why is someone solving suspicious?

I think Dubz is a sin. The 2 actions with post restrictions can't be both in town. Or maybe they are?

RBing by this action is weak for JD, imo.

I'm wondering if she didn't actually put a post restriction on Nanook or Jack. She likely did RB Nanook but it could have been something else other than the restriction.

If the action would be different she wouldn't claim it ig

Nanook only posted 11 times d3. I'm not sure if that's really enough to trigger a roleblock if the roleblock is a consequence.

It is

I mean you have to take my word for it I guess, but it was enough times.

No one else is claiming SVS's restriction today, no one else claimed tutuu's, no one else claimed blocking nanook. The only action I can't account for is Jack because he died that night.

What's the number of posts?

Well if I say it then then I won't get to block SVS, though I guess maybe that doesn't matter because we might be fucked today anyway??

Ah well whatever, it's 7

That makes sense and I'm kind of laughing at myself for never thinking of 7 as a possible number. When I was under the post restriction I posted 25 times and to my knowledge no consequence happened to me.

Dubz wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 11:19 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 11:17 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 11:07 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 11:03 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 10:51 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 10:38 am [VOTE: michelle] aubergine

Can you, like, explain your thoughts? Have you read ky posts? Why is someone solving suspicious?

I think Dubz is a sin. The 2 actions with post restrictions can't be both in town. Or maybe they are?

RBing by this action is weak for JD, imo.

I'm wondering if she didn't actually put a post restriction on Nanook or Jack. She likely did RB Nanook but it could have been something else other than the restriction.

If the action would be different she wouldn't claim it ig

Nanook only posted 11 times d3. I'm not sure if that's really enough to trigger a roleblock if the roleblock is a consequence.

It is

I mean you have to take my word for it I guess, but it was enough times.

No one else is claiming SVS's restriction today, no one else claimed tutuu's, no one else claimed blocking nanook. The only action I can't account for is Jack because he died that night.

I believe you blocked Nanook. I'm just not sure if the post restriction is what caused it.

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 11:07 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 11:03 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 10:51 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 10:38 am [VOTE: michelle] aubergine

Can you, like, explain your thoughts? Have you read ky posts? Why is someone solving suspicious?

I think Dubz is a sin. The 2 actions with post restrictions can't be both in town. Or maybe they are?

RBing by this action is weak for JD, imo.

I'm wondering if she didn't actually put a post restriction on Nanook or Jack. She likely did RB Nanook but it could have been something else other than the restriction.

If the action would be different she wouldn't claim it ig

Nanook only posted 11 times d3. I'm not sure if that's really enough to trigger a roleblock if the roleblock is a consequence.

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 11:03 am

Dubz wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 10:58 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 10:51 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 10:38 am [VOTE: michelle] aubergine

Can you, like, explain your thoughts? Have you read ky posts? Why is someone solving suspicious?

I think Dubz is a sin. The 2 actions with post restrictions can't be both in town. Or maybe they are?

RBing by this action is weak for JD, imo.

I think the other could be town too, or there's someone that is able to copy or duplicate abilities or something
Maybe that's JD, idk

I don't think the other one has been claimed every day? Just thunal and SVS...unless it was used on people who died, or it wasn't mentioned, which is possible. But it's just odd. Also doesn't seem like the other one actually has any consequences for ignoring the message, which is interesting, almost like it's a...kind of shadow mimicry rather than full copying of the ability.

It's another ability for sure. Anything related with low game impact like RB or something without visible consequences is too weak to come from JD

JD is a player no one suspected or everyone defended. How come no one pushed Thunal, no one pushed Matahari, and Wilgy claimed self clear and is still alive?

I want to chop in these 3 players and I need town and not converted sin to help me.

Am I right about you Dubz?

Why would JD necessarily be someone nobody suspected or everyone defended? Since we didn't lose the game, we know there are less than 4 mafia and unless both sins converted to town there are less than 3. So if there's just JD or JD and one mafia there wouldn't be a lot of thread pull to defend JD.

Dubz wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 10:58 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 10:51 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 10:38 am [VOTE: michelle] aubergine

Can you, like, explain your thoughts? Have you read ky posts? Why is someone solving suspicious?

I think Dubz is a sin. The 2 actions with post restrictions can't be both in town. Or maybe they are?

RBing by this action is weak for JD, imo.

I think the other could be town too, or there's someone that is able to copy or duplicate abilities or something
Maybe that's JD, idk

I don't think the other one has been claimed every day? Just thunal and SVS...unless it was used on people who died, or it wasn't mentioned, which is possible. But it's just odd. Also doesn't seem like the other one actually has any consequences for ignoring the message, which is interesting, almost like it's a...kind of shadow mimicry rather than full copying of the ability.

I wonder if someone can give out both warning people to not post much and warning people to post a lot. D2 I got not talking much, D3 Epi got talk a lot, D4 SVS got not talking much, and today I got talk a lot.

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 10:51 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 10:38 am [VOTE: michelle] aubergine

Can you, like, explain your thoughts? Have you read ky posts? Why is someone solving suspicious?

I think Dubz is a sin. The 2 actions with post restrictions can't be both in town. Or maybe they are?

RBing by this action is weak for JD, imo.

I'm wondering if she didn't actually put a post restriction on Nanook or Jack. She likely did RB Nanook but it could have been something else other than the restriction.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 10:30 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2023 10:25 pm @falcon45ca what does your current PoE look like right now? I think you being put in critical condition makes you more likely to be town so I'd like your input this phase.

Michelle is solving, but not getting killed. That's sus at this stage. That applies to you as well.




Wilgy isn't giving me as much town solve vibes as I'd be accustomed to w/ town down this far, so I'd look there.



Mata...I dunno, kinda seems like LHF due to lack of thread presence, but I'm still not happy w/ calling them town

I was feeling paranoid about Michelle when I was away from the thread but when I saw her solving and theories it made me think she's not mafia/not informed. She'd be playing a really good wolf game if she were one, even more so than that mafia league game.

I looked a bit into Wilgy and I think Sean being willing to clear him is enough for me to not want to chop him today.

Mata hasn't really made me think anything she said comes from town, so she's in my PoE and I'll look at her more closely today. I think her low posting is likely playstyle.

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 9:39 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 7:01 am Oh wow, I did not realize that was how Tutuu died. Is this confirmed? She died during the night, maybe he missed it in the day post?

But yeah, maybe not. I didn't recall that she has been targeted with this, tbh, I skimmed alot of her posts cause of the caps lock thing.

But if you look at the post, she says she also received a note with a picture of her avatar saying she was gonna die?

So cautious yikes, thanks, I'll be careful. I was thinging of flouting it, tbh. Since I got it two days in a row (and verified with the host no double targeting allowed, so it had to have been two different people) I was like, "screw this". But he also wouldn't tell me consequences. Were you targeted with this and did you get consequences?

i am not sure, this is a speculations, but better not be sorry iykwim

Mac said that tutuu died after/because she opened a gift, Mac received one as well, I don't remember if he opened it or not, but his take was that a gift killed her. He said it after I said my theory about the post restriction killing tutuu

But the restrictions were:
- D2 tutuu and thunal - thunal came in the day saying she will post less because she may die because of an unknown action who told her to not post much (i forgot exact wording), but tutuu ignored a post restriction and she died. Whether she was killed for not respecting the post restriction or not, the fact Thunal considered she will die if she posts was odd to me. Of course, I tinfoiled her but she said it was her logic and being not a solid evidence I let it slide.
- D3 it was you, and you posted less and in fact it was ok-ish and the other action hit someone who died most probably overnight, the at least one in the 3 kills coming from a player not in BTSC with the other killer/s.
- D4 is it you again and because it's consecutive on you, I think this time is from the same player who sent the action to tutuu, because yday it was harmless.

theory: D2 on Thunal and D3 on you were from town, maybe the action was giving some kind of protection, idk, and D2 on tutuu and today on you come from sin or mafia, being a kind of conditional vig if my idea is correct

Tbh I don't entirely understand this but now Dubz has claimed the targets that you said come from sin or mafia. I don't think the post restriction killed Tutuu. Since Dubz claimed to be able to do a post restriction every night and it being related to a block which Nanook claimed, the punishment could be being roleblocked rather than being killed.

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 9:39 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 7:01 am You had asked about Dubz meta; I only saw one game with her and she was bad in that game, Art U Pick. I haven't played with her previously. But it was a poor example; her whole team was pretty much outed ASAP, she was last bad standing. She was unfailingly polite, kind, goodnatured and kind of jokey, she seemed to be trying to deflect with humor. She didn't look alot like she looks here. But I haven't reread her here, and will do so today.

ok, looking forward to it

Oh, OK. there were a few things going on in that post and I wasn't sure which one you meant. That's possible.

I will be in and out of here all day, ttfn.

there's no way Kate was TRing Wilgy and suggesting him to be chopped so many times, put him in the Poe, etc.
Maybe it was distancing, but for sure not a town read

Open Kate's Iso and search for Wilgy, you'll get a better grasp over this thing.

Also I know you count your posts but don't forget to vote itt as well and let 2 or 3 posts for Eod and please be here, because townies are anyway in short supply. I think you are town and the other one is falcon, but for paranoia reasons, until he comes and post I will put also Dubz in town/not converted sin equity.

This makes a Poe of sins - converted or not - and mafia of Thunal, Wilgy, Matahari

Why I say Dubz is maybe the not converted sin, I would rather not bring up OGI things, but the fact her tone was convincing yday and how she said she RBed nanook like it was a good thing for the game. If she knew he will flip town, the vibe/wording would be different. Just my opinion, waiting for your take for this as well.

Also the player with the biggest JD equity is [redacted] and I will check my take after I come back from the gym, I have a lot to read.
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About Kate on Wilgy, I think from Kate's lolcatting rather than trying to help town in any way that she wasn't trying to townside. Kate making fabricated pushes would make sense and I was wondering if her push on Wilgy was fabricated since she didn't have the kind of reasoning or confidence that I saw from her when I played in the art Upick with her.

Dubz wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 10:15 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 10:11 am

Dubz wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 9:55 am Tutuu didn't die because of the post "restriction", she died from something else. SVS's restriction today was me. The one yesterday was not, so not sure who did that. Thunal's earlier in the game wasn't me either.

The restriction can function as a delayed block, I won't say more than that at this time. I almost used it on thunal but I didn't have the confidence to flip my reads upside down yet and possibly block a townie when it's down to the wire.

I'm in such a funk about nook flipping town because I really thought he was at least a sin if not JD.

I'm guessing you're claiming Tutuu's restriction too.

Yes
N1: Tutuu
N2: Nanook (not sure if he said it on thread)
N3: Jack but he died
N4: SVS

Do you know anything about the notes for posting a lot? I got one today and Epi claimed one d3.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2023 11:30 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2023 11:19 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2023 11:14 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2023 11:10 pm [VOTE: Dubz] aubergine

gm

Good morning Wilgy!
Explain pls.

Just a placeholder, wanna know what Falcon thinks rn.

I wouldn't put a RB claim as clearing personally.

Why would mafia/sin claim it? They know nook is not scum and that info could change the outcome to chopping Dubz instead, because she didn’t point to another player as CFD iirc. Or did she? I forgot what her Poe was if she posted it, i will look at it when Iso time will come.

It's a strange thing to claim it except she went with the idea that no one will trust her?

But her tone was so good at Eod, and I have no meta for Dubz, maybe someone can help me here. SVS tell me if you have meta for Dubz in your next wall please, with explanation @S~V~S

I wonder if Dubz really thought Nanook was bad despite blocking him and/or believed that the block wasn't clearing for him. It wasn't clearing, but Dubz still took a risk by outing the block that would be an unnecessary risk if she were informed. I think this at least makes Dubz unlikely to be JD.

Dubz wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 9:55 am Tutuu didn't die because of the post "restriction", she died from something else. SVS's restriction today was me. The one yesterday was not, so not sure who did that. Thunal's earlier in the game wasn't me either.

The restriction can function as a delayed block, I won't say more than that at this time. I almost used it on thunal but I didn't have the confidence to flip my reads upside down yet and possibly block a townie when it's down to the wire.

I'm in such a funk about nook flipping town because I really thought he was at least a sin if not JD.

I'm guessing you're claiming Tutuu's restriction too.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2023 11:13 pm I want to abstain from posting what I felt while looking at the flip yday. I tried to work with Rondo and see if he saw any connection between nook being RBed and the impossibility for him to kill anyone, but he choose to ignore me.

I was also thinking overnight, if Dubz is a a baddie why on earth she claimed the RB on nook and why we ignored all this RB mechanic evidence claimed with enough time before Eod to make us reconsider?
Maybe because we thought Dubz and nook were both mafia and went with it, but now this clears Dubz for me and I think the Eod quietness came from t/t wagons.

I actually thought Nanook was less likely JD from it but still could easily be a sin at first because of the deaths while he claimed to be blocked, but then I thought of the possibility of other mafia doing the kill or kills and I didn't think it meant Nanook wasn't JD.

I looked at SVS's wolf game in Game of Champions that I had spectated, and the depth of thought is much less there than here. For example, the lack of care she put into pushing low poster 112 there despite liking one of her posts is very different from how she treated Mata this game.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2023 10:42 pm I have somewhat mysteriously been targeted with the same power as yesterday, not to post a lot. So maybe a power stealer gets lulz making low posters lower posters. Lulz

Nothing seems to happen to people who flout this so I may not bother.

@Thunal33 im not sure what you’re asking here? Someone (maybe you? ) had compared her lack of civvie amazeballness here to her game in summer shit, and I stand by that was an unfair comparison.

But I honestly don’t understand what her deal with Wilgy was, she kept going back to It like a dog to a bone.

I was saying that I think Kate might have actually townread Wilgy.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2023 10:42 pm I have somewhat mysteriously been targeted with the same power as yesterday, not to post a lot. So maybe a power stealer gets lulz making low posters lower posters. Lulz

Nothing seems to happen to people who flout this so I may not bother.

@Thunal33 im not sure what you’re asking here? Someone (maybe you? ) had compared her lack of civvie amazeballness here to her game in summer shit, and I stand by that was an unfair comparison.

But I honestly don’t understand what her deal with Wilgy was, she kept going back to It like a dog to a bone.

That wasn't me.

What post are you talking about when you ask what I'm asking?

Kate wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 3:06 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 10:52 am

Do you still think this? She had clearly delineated reasons for that amazing call out she did in Summer Shit, there was a bit of a baddie panic in real time that she was in the thread for that gave her that. There isn't anything even remotely like that here; while I guess she could be a sin, her game as Lost Wolf in Scooby Doo I think it was, was impressive, and I think (could be wrong) that the Purples are perhaps similar to lost wolves, comparing her to a game where there was (at least on Day One, not sure if that is still the case, would Scotty even tell us if a bad team forms?) is pretty unfair, don't you think?

I'm just catching up to you, so if you went into more detail after this point, sorry, I'm not there yet.

I appreciate this read, it's very fair and unbiased. I have thought to myself about 1000x that I'll be punished for quite some time for having a few good games. I'll be lynched if I'm "off" and nk'd if I'm active. I'm trusting my gut a lot less her than I have been lately because the stuff I used to sus people isn't happening her. The last game for instance, the sdn'rs defended hard and that's where that solve came from. That just isn't gonna happen here.

I'm also petrified bc the person I want to vote the most is wilgy and I was massively wrong on him before.

I was looking through some things to evaluate if I should still be clearing Wilgy and SVS and I think this is interesting because it feels like cover for Kate being wrong. I think Kate thought Wilgy was town.

@falcon45ca what does your current PoE look like right now? I think you being put in critical condition makes you more likely to be town so I'd like your input this phase.

Also, why Falcon? It doesn't seem like he'd be an obvious target. Maybe he was right about Mata not being pressured being weird or right about there being wolves in the towncore. Atm it's hard to trust my own process since I thought Nanook was bad.

That's not good at all. I'm surprised we haven't lost yet tbh, so there must be less than 3 mafia.

I got a note telling me it would be wise to talk a lot.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2023 9:21 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2023 9:00 pm But seriously Wilgy if you are throwing sus at me at this stage maybe I shouldnt trust you? Tell me you were just joking and ill ignore it but if you were being serious then I gotta do another re-eval of even you and SVS

I mean it was at first, but now you got me like

I suspect Rondo's vote on you is a reaction test. If it isn't, it doesn't really make sense why he'd go for the closest to a mech clear we have this game.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2023 9:18 pm I don't have a full solve but I'd kill dubz, maybe Michelle, undecided on thun, would not kill rondo or falcon

Maybe Michelle? Can you explain that one?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2023 9:03 pm As falcon said, someone vocal has to be sus because this has been such a chill day. One of Wilgy/SVS or both? I dont think Falcon is ever a good factor but he can make good points to try to look town

Tbh I was paranoid about the low activity which is part of why I voted Dubz, but having competing wagons didn't really change anything so I'm inclined to think the inactivity could just be because there are 9/21 players alive and a lot of them have always been low posters. I don't think now is the time to flash wagon townreads.

[VOTE: Nanook] aubergine

I think Nanook is more likely baddie than Dubz. I could easily see Dubz' posts coming from a townie who wants to step carefully to avoid being wrong. Rereading Nanook, his attitude about his reads this phase hasn't given me good feelings and it feels like he doesn't really care about getting them right.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2023 4:25 pm

Dubz wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2023 4:12 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 3:17 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 11:41 am Oh, I should also say that there were times where I felt like Kate thought I was John Doe, and just not wanting to out that until she was actually recruited to my faction.

Kate implied the sins knew each other but Sean ssys here they didn't know who JD is

If the sins knew each other, wouldn't Kate have known Sean was NOT one?

This kinda goes back to your post here too:

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 3:01 am
Unrelated and condensing posts because I have a post limit

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 10:53 am i suppose my poe sans kate and dennis is

wilgy
rondo
nook
thunal
falcon

Tutuu's Poe

Kate wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 10:55 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 10:53 am i suppose my poe sans kate and dennis is

wilgy
rondo
nook
thunal
falcon

Kate's reaction

What do you think about this reaction @ everyone?

I'm not sure that there's much to glean here if sins are uninformed, like they seem to be.

My theory is that Kate thought Sean is JD

That's very possible. I found Sean saying something to that effect:

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 11:41 am Oh, I should also say that there were times where I felt like Kate thought I was John Doe, and just not wanting to out that until she was actually recruited to my faction.

Dubz wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2023 3:02 pm Sorry I disappeared again. Apparently all the moving stress made my immune system crap out so now I'm sick, which is fun.

I hope you feel better soon!

@S~V~S are there any Kate reads you thought might be genuine ones? Kate hadn't joined the mafia team when she died so she might have made some real uninformed reads but it's hard to tell what those were.

Dubz wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2023 5:16 pm

Dubz wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 11:55 am [VOTE: nanook ] aubergine
Catching up

I do have a thought about some d1 stuff that I need to come back to though

Neat I caught back up to myself

Speaking of thunal and falcon and d1 stuff

It's a thing on SDN that one wolf manages to pocket me on d1 by throwing a village read my direction. Or, used to, but now I'm hyperaware of it, so being village read early gets my hackles up. I didn't think much of it here (though gave a nod to it when I joked about jumping in thunal's pocket) because I'm not gonna have as much influence as I have in a game on SDN, and there's just not much of a reason to pocket me. I'm like, not dangerous here lol

But I was thinking back on falcon and thunal's initial reactions to me, and my feeling that I probably gave a town read to a sneaky scum, and I feel like it's somewhere in there. Falcon is interesting because he initially said I was playing the same as I played when I was scum in the art game, but then backed off after minimal effort on my part. Thunal on the other hand pretty quickly gave me a townlean, supported me against falcon's read, and then didn't bring me up again until today as far as I saw. Falcon I don't think has mentioned me again at all unless I missed it.

If I OMGUS it the more suspect one would be thunal for turning on me. It is interesting and frustrating again to see someone deciding that I have more scum equity than Mata does. If you look at the reads I posted during d3, I had a 6 person POE. Thunal left out that I had Mata and Jack as wolf leans at the time, and still had Epi and SVS in neutral. So I didn't have a 2 person POE like she implied here.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 10:45 pm I'm looking through Dubz' ISO and I get the general feeling she's playing it safe and wants to stay UTR. She often makes a point of agreeing with players and also has lots of town reads and not many scum reads. The scum reads she did have were Dennis and Nanook which are very safe ones to have. I want to put some pressure here.

[VOTE: Dubz] aubergine

I was thinking of stronger reads/pushes when I said that. Why was Falcon in your towncore in the first place?