The Syndicate

hawkataine wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:52 pm
Garden Gnome wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:44 pm
hawkataine wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:39 pm
Kito wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:37 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:29 pm You know in England they’re called red cheques.
@hawkataine we're under attack even on another site smh
you're right this is even more egregious than being a leading wagon
Sounds terrible.
Oh, and can you tell me how you're reading Owner right now?
And why do you think that you're a leading wagon?
Who are you reading as scum right now.
Please forgive me if these questions have already been asked and answered. I've been reading and catching up.
My thoughts on owner haven't evolved from like 20 pages ago primarily because I haven't read most of them yet
I think she looks bad from nutella interactions and specifically how nutella didn't seem interested in encouraging a wagon there when it was the most popular alternative to herself (nanook admittedly disagrees with my take on this which I am considering), also she's reminding me of when she subbed into tripped on adventure as scum
I've probably talked enough about myself at this point, promise the answers already are posted
I haven't really had time to consolidate my reads yet but at the very least the people I'm gonna reread for suspicion reasons today include owner, sonny, act... probably I should find some TS people as well hrm

Also, can you elaborate on why Sonny?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:52 pm The only positive I can offer for bad bunny is "PerC people told me she's town", which doesn't seem to apply to Owner.

Both are hard POE for me.

Which PerC people are saying she’s town?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:50 pm
Actvscenei wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 3:34 pm
Tangrowth wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 3:31 pm
Actvscenei wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 3:30 pm
Tangrowth wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 3:27 pm Hey @Actvscenei you may want to move your vote ASAP.
Why and to whom?
Too late now, just... your vote was sitting on a person and you're the only vote. It isn't accomplishing anything active, that's all.
I tried the whole voting with consensus thing a couple times and it did me dirty lol. If the person I suspect the most happens to be the consensus vote, then so be it. But I won’t vote just because it’s the wagon. Dana is my top suspect with Belzy following close behind. That’s my vote.
Okay this doesn't nothing for me. Voting Dana was pointless.

I wasn’t voting Dana for you, so

Lol. I suspected Dana, that’s where my vote was.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:49 pm
Actvscenei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:47 pm I explained that to Tangy at the end of the day when she questioned me for it then. Considering you know how many posts of mine have Dana in it and considering you did an interactive of me, and considering you’re questioning me on my vote at EoD, I imagine you’ve read pretty much all my posts including my end of day posts and already saw my explanation. You can go back and read what I wrote there if you want, and then if you still have questions afterwards, I’ll answer them.
I 100% guarantee you that I have not read every single post in this game. I'll go look at what you said.

I didn’t say every single post in this game, so that’s definitely hyperbole lol. I just said you must have read all of my posts since you appear intimately knowledgeable of how many times I’ve talked about Dana (down to the number) and went through my interactions with Nutella. This is now the second time you are asking me to explain my vote at EoD and Tangy responded to you that she had a convo with me at EoD about it. At that point, if you were really wanting to know, I suspect you would have gone back to read it then if you hadn’t already.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:43 pm
Actvscenei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:17 pm Jay insists I’m doing nothing but suspecting Dana and that my interaction with Nutella firms me up as scum. From the looks of it, I suspect Jay is able to read quite well between the lines, and so I’d imagine then that could see what I was doing aside from just voting for Dana. ISOs, and whatever this interactives thing is don’t impress me. Anyone can sit there and collect quotes and analyze them and arrive at varying interpretations. This is literally what I do with my students on a daily basis, and I know very well how easy it is for scum to put in the effort to collect all this data and present findings that appear like town musings. What this does though is more scum motivated than town motivate (I KNOW very few agree with that). But scum can be very influential in this way and manipulate town. Town sees the work, reads the work as being town motivated (because look at all that work!) and then takes those words at higher value. Now scum can convince the players to vote in the direction they choose. I’m not at a point to say Jay is scum for it, but he’s definitely not town for it.
Nobody has to read me as town for analyzing things. I doubt anyone is.

My holistic impression of your play is foggy apart from "suspects Dana". Her name appears in 10 of the 12 posts you made immediately preceding this treatise. I am sure there are other things in your posts, but it's clear to me which thing is pronounced and most consistent. If you're town then just keep solving and do what you do.

If you haven't already, you should still explain at length why you declined to contribute to any prevailing wagon at the end of Day 1.

I explained that to Tangy at the end of the day when she questioned me for it then. Considering you know how many posts of mine have Dana in it and considering you did an interactive of me, and considering you’re questioning me on my vote at EoD, I imagine you’ve read pretty much all my posts including my end of day posts and already saw my explanation. You can go back and read what I wrote there if you want, and then if you still have questions afterwards, I’ll answer them.

hawkataine wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:32 pm wow I apologise for interrupting the memeing with an essay lol

I have a longer essay than you I think on the other page, and I don’t apologize for it

Nothing irritates me more than people who won’t read between the lines and assume all I’m doing is putting a vote down. Yup. I suspect Dana. My vote is still there I don’t suspect anymore right now more than I suspect Dana. No one else other than Guillotine has questioned Dana (I think? Correct me if I’m wrong), and so that tells me I may need to step back from this a bit and reassess. But until anything else strikes more me, my vote stays there.

People like to read me for meta because I’m a bit of a crazy person in mafia, but my meta is all over the place especially since returning, and I invite anyone to read through my past games on MafC to get a more informed idea of my play style. I wary of claims like Seanzie’s in which he declared my meta as the main reason for suspecting me and then cited playing in current games with me. If he was paying attention to my game play as much as he’s suggesting he has (so far as to read me for it), then he’d know better than to think I have any consistent meta. Lost Monkey and Owner have also contributed to reads on me based on Meta. LoMo is mostly sheeping those reads from Seanzie though (maybe a couple sprinkles are his own). Owner is reading me on meta saying this isn’t my scum meta. I imagine they aren’t all scum, but they all know better. Is Owner trying to pacify me? While Seanzie and LoMo are shading me? Idk, but I know they know my meta is NOT a reliable source of reading me. However, it is the easiest way to shade me because half the players here (maybe a little more than half?) don’t know me and may not have the energy to check out if it’s reliable information. I get it, some people naturally play with meta in mind, but I think it’s the easiest crutch for scum, especially in a game where many people can’t verify.

Anyway, that’s my meta gripe. Other than that, those touting I’ve done nothing but suspect Dana are simply not reading my posts. I question people, and those questions are motivated to move the game in a way that helps me figure stuff out. Belzy’s flip does change some ideas of mine, and it does relieve some of my suspicion on Dana. That said, Owner’s responses to my questions did not satisfy me, and her meta read on me has me like

. I’m looking at this push on Owner though, and I’m not sure I like Seanzie here. His meta read on me and refusal to back up his statements sat uncomfortably with me. That’s sort of informing my opinion on this yeet push right now.

Jay insists I’m doing nothing but suspecting Dana and that my interaction with Nutella firms me up as scum. From the looks of it, I suspect Jay is able to read quite well between the lines, and so I’d imagine then that could see what I was doing aside from just voting for Dana. ISOs, and whatever this interactives thing is don’t impress me. Anyone can sit there and collect quotes and analyze them and arrive at varying interpretations. This is literally what I do with my students on a daily basis, and I know very well how easy it is for scum to put in the effort to collect all this data and present findings that appear like town musings. What this does though is more scum motivated than town motivate (I KNOW very few agree with that). But scum can be very influential in this way and manipulate town. Town sees the work, reads the work as being town motivated (because look at all that work!) and then takes those words at higher value. Now scum can convince the players to vote in the direction they choose. I’m not at a point to say Jay is scum for it, but he’s definitely not town for it.

Dana’s expanded reads list paired with the other posts she’s had have me leaning scum on her. Which I’ve explained. Don’t want me talking about Dana, don’t question me on why my vote is still there. Maybe Dana is town and I’ve got it wrong. I’m not out here yelling at you all to vote Dana. What is my motive as scum to keep my vote there? At EoD1, people asked me to move my vote off Dana and onto one of the wagons. Idk which tbh. And I didn’t. I was under a microscope at some point last day phase for suspecting Dana...what is my scum motive for throwing that spotlight back on myself?

Sonny knows my play and has been a voice of reason for me in the past as town. He’s not doing that this game. So if we’re playing with meta, there’s that. I don’t feel great about Sonny, but it’s not a read I’m confident with.

That’s where I’m at currently.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 8:18 pm
Actvscenei wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 8:03 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:57 pm
Actvscenei wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:52 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:38 pm
Actvscenei wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:24 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 6:27 pm Okay, I lied, I kept reading. People from MafC still seem to keep saying "oh, that is just Actv". As of Page 18, the only posts by Actv that look like town!Actv are with regards to Dana. Her interactions with everyone else do NOT look like town!Actv. Actv knows her meta, and I think she came in deliberatly trying to fake her paranoia/weird questions thing with Dana, but hasn't kept up with it with anyone else. I don't know anything that has happened after Page 18, but a lot of MafC players are saying "that's just act" early on, and I disagree.
Do you have a more concrete reason for scum reading me (to then vote me) other than meta? I don’t buy this as a real read considering you hardly know my meta lol.

Please quote where I’ve been paranoid with Dana.

What are my weird questions? Can you quote those as well?

What specifically am I doing that you believe is scum motivated?

Our first game together, you came at me with paranoia and weird questions, and I just responded with "I like you" or something like that, because you were obv town to me. I haven't always successfully read you since, but I feel I have at least as good a grasp on your meta as the average grasp of the people who have said "oh, this is just typical Actv". Also, unless you're playing on sites other than MafC (quite possible, but somehow I'd guess you aren't), I've probably been in all, or maybe all but one of your games since you've been back from your long hiatus, so aside from pre-hiatus friends, I know your meta as good as anyone.

Dana came in with an in-flavor fluff post that you made a big stirr about early on. That looked a little like town!Actv, but imo it rang hollow (meta-replication rather than actual Actv paranoia/suspicion). I'm not going to go quote stuff right now because I still have something like 25 pages to read, which takes precedence right meow.

Not sure, I'm not fully caught up. The fact that you seem to still be pushing Dana seems pretty bad since she looks pretty towny in the first 24 pages, but maybe Dana goes way downhill in the second half of D1? Who knows? (everyone except me:P) Either way, my scumread on you isn't based on seeing an agenda, my scumread on you is based on the fact that you don't look like town!Actv, and that your interactions with Nutella look w/w. You have ZERO of your patent Actv paranoia with regard to her, and while I was reading at the beginning (like pages 3-10 or something), her early push on you just screamed w/w (I mean, I had TMI on Nutella so it was probably easier for me to see than others who read it D1), and it was like a bad movie where you can guess the ending when she backed off of you for bad reasons. It reeks of distancing.
Okay, but I asked you where I was paranoid with Dana. You said I was, I disagree, so I’d like to know where you see that paranoia.

I don’t think I’ve made a “big stir” about anything. I questioned Dana on an early entrance post, people questioned me, I answered the questions. Can you explain how it was a “big stir?”

What is the logic on scum continuing to push a generally town read player? You bring it up as being scummy, but I’m not sure how.
You can go read the first 10 pages if you want to see what I'm talking about. I don't have time to fight about it since I am way behind. Fight me later, k?
I know my posts lol, and I disagree with what you’re saying. Your read on me doesn’t feel real, and I’m asking you to defend it. So far, you haven’t been able to.
Nah, you're not asking me to defend myself, you're asking for something to defend against. Good try though.

MafC folk who have said Actv is just being Actv, go find my first post (it is easy to find since my ISO is so short [to find my ISO click the "posts in topic: #" number thingy if you haven't figure this out yet]), and then read the posts by Actv right beforehand. Tell me that is paranoid town!Actv interacting with people she doesn't really know.

But I am asking you to defend yourself. Lol. You made a handful of statements and I’m asking you to back those statements up with proof. You’ve either told me you can’t or you won’t because you’re still catching up. So what we’ve got is you making a read and a vote on me based on meta alone and unsubstantiated statements. Now, you’ve put an all call out to the PerC people refusing, yet again, to point out what I’m asking you to point out. I don’t care that you suspect me, I care that you’re suspecting me on no basis which to me looks like shade or at best, a read that is unfounded. You have not interacted with me once, you haven’t questioned me once, and after voting me, when I question you, you answer with vague gestures and tell me not right now because you’re busy. You aren’t trying to figure me out, you’re trying to shade me which obviously has me wondering why.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:57 pm
Actvscenei wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:52 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:38 pm
Actvscenei wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:24 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 6:27 pm Okay, I lied, I kept reading. People from MafC still seem to keep saying "oh, that is just Actv". As of Page 18, the only posts by Actv that look like town!Actv are with regards to Dana. Her interactions with everyone else do NOT look like town!Actv. Actv knows her meta, and I think she came in deliberatly trying to fake her paranoia/weird questions thing with Dana, but hasn't kept up with it with anyone else. I don't know anything that has happened after Page 18, but a lot of MafC players are saying "that's just act" early on, and I disagree.
Do you have a more concrete reason for scum reading me (to then vote me) other than meta? I don’t buy this as a real read considering you hardly know my meta lol.

Please quote where I’ve been paranoid with Dana.

What are my weird questions? Can you quote those as well?

What specifically am I doing that you believe is scum motivated?

Our first game together, you came at me with paranoia and weird questions, and I just responded with "I like you" or something like that, because you were obv town to me. I haven't always successfully read you since, but I feel I have at least as good a grasp on your meta as the average grasp of the people who have said "oh, this is just typical Actv". Also, unless you're playing on sites other than MafC (quite possible, but somehow I'd guess you aren't), I've probably been in all, or maybe all but one of your games since you've been back from your long hiatus, so aside from pre-hiatus friends, I know your meta as good as anyone.

Dana came in with an in-flavor fluff post that you made a big stirr about early on. That looked a little like town!Actv, but imo it rang hollow (meta-replication rather than actual Actv paranoia/suspicion). I'm not going to go quote stuff right now because I still have something like 25 pages to read, which takes precedence right meow.

Not sure, I'm not fully caught up. The fact that you seem to still be pushing Dana seems pretty bad since she looks pretty towny in the first 24 pages, but maybe Dana goes way downhill in the second half of D1? Who knows? (everyone except me:P) Either way, my scumread on you isn't based on seeing an agenda, my scumread on you is based on the fact that you don't look like town!Actv, and that your interactions with Nutella look w/w. You have ZERO of your patent Actv paranoia with regard to her, and while I was reading at the beginning (like pages 3-10 or something), her early push on you just screamed w/w (I mean, I had TMI on Nutella so it was probably easier for me to see than others who read it D1), and it was like a bad movie where you can guess the ending when she backed off of you for bad reasons. It reeks of distancing.
Okay, but I asked you where I was paranoid with Dana. You said I was, I disagree, so I’d like to know where you see that paranoia.

I don’t think I’ve made a “big stir” about anything. I questioned Dana on an early entrance post, people questioned me, I answered the questions. Can you explain how it was a “big stir?”

What is the logic on scum continuing to push a generally town read player? You bring it up as being scummy, but I’m not sure how.
You can go read the first 10 pages if you want to see what I'm talking about. I don't have time to fight about it since I am way behind. Fight me later, k?

I know my posts lol, and I disagree with what you’re saying. Your read on me doesn’t feel real, and I’m asking you to defend it. So far, you haven’t been able to.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:38 pm
Actvscenei wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:24 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 6:27 pm Okay, I lied, I kept reading. People from MafC still seem to keep saying "oh, that is just Actv". As of Page 18, the only posts by Actv that look like town!Actv are with regards to Dana. Her interactions with everyone else do NOT look like town!Actv. Actv knows her meta, and I think she came in deliberatly trying to fake her paranoia/weird questions thing with Dana, but hasn't kept up with it with anyone else. I don't know anything that has happened after Page 18, but a lot of MafC players are saying "that's just act" early on, and I disagree.
Do you have a more concrete reason for scum reading me (to then vote me) other than meta? I don’t buy this as a real read considering you hardly know my meta lol.

Please quote where I’ve been paranoid with Dana.

What are my weird questions? Can you quote those as well?

What specifically am I doing that you believe is scum motivated?

Our first game together, you came at me with paranoia and weird questions, and I just responded with "I like you" or something like that, because you were obv town to me. I haven't always successfully read you since, but I feel I have at least as good a grasp on your meta as the average grasp of the people who have said "oh, this is just typical Actv". Also, unless you're playing on sites other than MafC (quite possible, but somehow I'd guess you aren't), I've probably been in all, or maybe all but one of your games since you've been back from your long hiatus, so aside from pre-hiatus friends, I know your meta as good as anyone.

Dana came in with an in-flavor fluff post that you made a big stirr about early on. That looked a little like town!Actv, but imo it rang hollow (meta-replication rather than actual Actv paranoia/suspicion). I'm not going to go quote stuff right now because I still have something like 25 pages to read, which takes precedence right meow.

Not sure, I'm not fully caught up. The fact that you seem to still be pushing Dana seems pretty bad since she looks pretty towny in the first 24 pages, but maybe Dana goes way downhill in the second half of D1? Who knows? (everyone except me:P) Either way, my scumread on you isn't based on seeing an agenda, my scumread on you is based on the fact that you don't look like town!Actv, and that your interactions with Nutella look w/w. You have ZERO of your patent Actv paranoia with regard to her, and while I was reading at the beginning (like pages 3-10 or something), her early push on you just screamed w/w (I mean, I had TMI on Nutella so it was probably easier for me to see than others who read it D1), and it was like a bad movie where you can guess the ending when she backed off of you for bad reasons. It reeks of distancing.

Okay, but I asked you where I was paranoid with Dana. You said I was, I disagree, so I’d like to know where you see that paranoia.

I don’t think I’ve made a “big stir” about anything. I questioned Dana on an early entrance post, people questioned me, I answered the questions. Can you explain how it was a “big stir?”

What is the logic on scum continuing to push a generally town read player? You bring it up as being scummy, but I’m not sure how.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:40 pm
Actvscenei wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 6:19 pm So that couldn’t have been the motive. General curiosity? Probably, but you had the entire night phase to ask questions of the game mods. Coming into the game thread and asking that question as one of your first posts into D2 has me thinking you know what that role is, consider it pretty unique, and asked the game thread as a sort of fake derp. All that aside, the general tone and timing of it don’t sit right with me. Call it vibes. To help quell my suspicion on you, can you explain your purpose for asking that question?
Act, why anyone would the host about other people's roles. We all know those kind of questions get ignored. Dana asking in the thread for info about such role is fair in my opinion.

It’s not really about whether the answer would be given, but more about the necessity to ask it. Honestly, the vibes of the question get me the most. It just doesn’t feel genuine. Idk, maybe I’m stuck in this tunnel, but I do think Dana is scum here.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 6:27 pm Okay, I lied, I kept reading. People from MafC still seem to keep saying "oh, that is just Actv". As of Page 18, the only posts by Actv that look like town!Actv are with regards to Dana. Her interactions with everyone else do NOT look like town!Actv. Actv knows her meta, and I think she came in deliberatly trying to fake her paranoia/weird questions thing with Dana, but hasn't kept up with it with anyone else. I don't know anything that has happened after Page 18, but a lot of MafC players are saying "that's just act" early on, and I disagree.

Do you have a more concrete reason for scum reading me (to then vote me) other than meta? I don’t buy this as a real read considering you hardly know my meta lol.

Please quote where I’ve been paranoid with Dana.

What are my weird questions? Can you quote those as well?

What specifically am I doing that you believe is scum motivated?

Dana wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 6:47 pm
Actvscenei wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 6:33 pm I don’t know how to chunk things up neatly, so I’m going to broadly speak about this post here:

You explain your read on me and it indicates you’ve read my posts in concentration (you’re familiar with my ISO) but conclude by saying you’ll read my posts over again. This language is notoriously scum in my experience. It’s pretends to be productive. Why would you spend all that time going back through my ISO after coming off a night phase when you would have had the time to do so? Up until just now, I hadn’t posted anything new. Nothing new happened. Unless you just have a fancy for reading my posts many times over, I don’t see anyone actually doing that. So in this case, that assertion reads like fake productivity to me.

Your answer about Alison is uninformative and dismissive. You may as well have not said anything there.

Your read about Guilltine is not unique and Guilltine has SO much content this game, that this response feels uninspired.

The rest are non-committal. It’s “I like them, but I don’t, but I guess they’re okay” which has been something I’ve noticed in almost all of your posts.

I don’t believe you’re scum hunting. You’re being quite productively unproductive, from what I’m seeing in your posts.
yeah thats fair I guess, im not really that great at scum-hunting so im just trying my best to figure things out and be as helpful as I can be to those that are. I wrote the part about you yesterday before you had made some more posts that I haven't gotten caught up with yet (still need to read pages like 35-45 or so). I do like to read things many times over too though, I feel like its helpful especially after flips when new info come to light and now we have a little more context for posts than we did before. I think you have valid concerns but I dont really know how to make you feel better about them other than just saying thats normal for me, but you have no reason to believe that ig. commitment is a struggle

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 6:37 pm I mean, I guess if you didn’t really care about the answer you’d feel less inclined to ask the mods, which tells me it was a question meant for the public. It appears to me as though you wanted us to see you ask that question. That’s the point I’m making here and I’m not convinced by your response.
I did care about the answer, I was just satisfied with the answers I got so I didn't keep asking about it. I had assumed that term itself was the name of the role and not a descriptive type thing, so people clarifying that it was probably referring to a role that is usually named something else more detailed made sense to me and so I left it at that.

If you understand your reads were vague, and said again that you warned they’d be vague, then what do you make of Belzy’s response that your explanations were (paraphrasing here) good and satisfactory. Essentially she commended your reads list for the detail. You speak positively of Belzy, but I don’t understand how this matches up. Wouldn’t it have pinged you, knowing your reads were vague, that Belzy thought otherwise?

Dana wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 6:26 pm
Actvscenei wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 6:19 pm
Dana wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 6:07 pm
Actvscenei wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 6:04 pm I don’t mean to drive down this tunnel...but I really think Dana is scum, y’all. I do not like the question about Nutella’s flip (feels like a forced derp), and I do not like this reiteration of the reads list. I think I’m going to trust my D1 initial instinct right now because D2 hasn’t changed my mind yet. Her reads are trying too hard. She isn’t really scum hunting, I really believe she is spending more time on her appearance than finding scum. Call me crazy, but like...my vote is going back there haha.
I was asked to answer these questions...?
Are you looking for an answer to this question or...? Lol. I didn’t say I didn’t like that you reiterated them. I said I didn’t like your reiteration.

I wonder why you came to the game thread with the role question. Why didn’t you ask in your discord channel? I figured a motive could have been to see if anyone outed themselves by knowing the answer, but you didn’t follow through with that. You didn’t persist or dig deeper for an answer. So that couldn’t have been the motive. General curiosity? Probably, but you had the entire night phase to ask questions of the game mods. Coming into the game thread and asking that question as one of your first posts into D2 has me thinking you know what that role is, consider it pretty unique, and asked the game thread as a sort of fake derp. All that aside, the general tone and timing of it don’t sit right with me. Call it vibes. To help quell my suspicion on you, can you explain your purpose for asking that question?
sure, I mean I had the question as soon as the flip happened, and tried to research the term on my own but wasn't able to find anything. I assumed the hosts posted what they wanted to post so I didn't want to bother them with asking what it meant, especially if it was a common term that others would have known so I thought it would be better to ask in the thread once morning came, in case I was the only one out of the loop. or if there were others that didn't know and some that did, then we could share our info all together which I feel like is better for town

I mean, I guess if you didn’t really care about the answer you’d feel less inclined to ask the mods, which tells me it was a question meant for the public. It appears to me as though you wanted us to see you ask that question. That’s the point I’m making here and I’m not convinced by your response.

Dana wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:56 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 10:06 am @Dana

Actvscenei - suspected me which makes me instinctively want to suspect her but reading her ISO I'm not sure I can rly bring myself to do it. very slight townlean
What posts did you read to not want to suspect her and townlean her?
it feels to me like she was trying to be productive by asking questions and getting clarification for things. if you look at her ISO most of her middle day posts are lots and lots of questions, and I also like getting answers for things so I felt like that wasn’t bad. unsure if I still feel the same though, I’m gonna read her again

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 10:06 am
Alison - pushing actv so confidently as an "outed wolf" was a lil sus, but she backed off that after the fake claim (also maybe a little sis but a good explanation?). I feel like I just want to sheep her analytical brain reads but that worries me too in case I am putting too much trust. but still generally a minor townlean
If you are unsure about Alison why did you end up townleaning her anyway?

Also, do you have a habit of scum reading confident players?
because I trust her a little bit? idk if I have a habit of scum reading them, mostly of just wanting to trust them and then second guessing myself. once, I used a strategy of voting for my top town read bc I know I can get my reads all backwards and it worked so.. I try to keep that in the back of my mind

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 10:06 am
Belzy - I liked her couple posts earlier, they felt very substantial. it seemed to me like she was questioning things, bringing up concerns, and trying to move things along. generally helpful vibes
Sorry but this is also too vague, what couples of posts were substantial to you? What is in your opinion a substantial post and how does that help you?
What about her later posts?
I warned that the whole list would be pretty vague.. Her back and forth with JJJ and with you towards the beginning of her ISO gave me the sense that she was really trying to get context and figure things out. substantial to me is actually saying things, even if its just vibes and feelings, or at least trying to work things along and make any type of progress with solving

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 10:06 am
Guillotine - very unsure how I feel about him. im not sure how well I can articulate it but I am getting some vibes and im not sure how townie they are. I sensed some frustration earlier (but wasn't following super closely) which isn't really AI, i guess. but I was also confused about him asking not to be townread, unsure if that was a joke or not? idk..
Hmmmm? So you recognize i'm a townie but you are unsure of how much? What is the logic here, that im scum for asking to not be widely townread? Do you think mafia would do that?
Do you think mafia would not rejoice on getting townread and keep it like their most treasured belonging and influence town to sheep their reads, leading them to their doom?

Obvious townies get nightkilled by scum first so, i was asking to not be obvious town read. You get it now? (It was part a joke part a reaction test).
sure, mafia could ask to not be widely townread if that's something town would do and they are trying to act like they are town, but wifom I guess. I get it but it still feels strange to me, idk. maybe we just have different styles because when I am townread I am just kinda like.. "yeah. you're right. cool, good stuff"

I think mostly what threw me off about it was that you asked to not be widely townread but then seemed to get a little frustrated when you weren’t being townread later. Ive been feeling a tiny bit better about you recently, though

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 10:06 am
hawkataine - I like her posts a good amount. im here for the tone and the casualness yet still trying to clear things up, ask questions, etc. good vibes all around, so gonna give her town

Kito - first impression is pretty good vibe and tone in posts. v slight town read
Again very vague, i need to see you are not manufacturing your reads here. What posts you identified as town indicative from them?
hawk posts I initially liked: #930 | #932 | #989
though upon review im not sure there’s quite as much there as i previously thought. I feel like maybe we have similar writing styles too which might be making me a lil bit biased.. hmm. i do also like some of her later posts too though from after my reads list, like her ISO of Nutella here which I think looks kinda good for her given nutellas flip

kito posts I initially liked: #1254 | #1268 | #1274
I feel like he’s just generally kinda chill but still portrays a lil bit of confidence in his reads. I dont feel super strongly abt him or anything but enough to think he’s alright

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 10:06 am
MacDougall - I am also getting slightly different vibes from him vs the last games I've played where he was town. but idk if that means much bc I get the sense that he really just does his own thing and doesn't seem to care very much how it makes him come across. which is fine but def makes it very hard to really do anything with being able to read him.
So in your opinion, the town!Mac from other games is not present here correct? And somehow you end up null reading him anyway, what?
i mean I would say less of a null and more of a confused. like to me null feels like there’s nothing there to work with, and in this case I feel like there is something there but I just don’t know what to do with it. I do feel a different vibe from him but what im saying is im not sure how much weight that holds in regards to reading him. the last game I played with him before these past two where he was town, was a few years back and he outed his whole entire mafia team and still won anyway. so I kinda just feel like I need to leave the Mac-reading to those more experienced with him

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 10:06 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - I feel like he is doing some pretty alright hunting in his own way. I kind of put in him the same boat as mac in my mind where he kinda just does his own thing and everyone else is just kinda like... but im gonna say he's mostly okay for now
How do you null read mac but not this guy? Mac and Nook are players that are in their own world. Different worlds though. It takes several games to understand them.
i put him in the same "confused about" pile as Mac

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 10:06 am
nutella - im very tempted to sheep the ppl who know her better but I feel like there isn't really a consensus on her there so... v confused. Mac seemed to go back and forth a lil bit on her but is currently voting her so maybe the consensus is wolf. idk I am very tired and this is taking too many brain cells
Last time i checked Nutella had 6 votes on her out of 24 people, at what point do you determine there is a consensus on someone on day 1?
Do you scum read players who play with their votes?
I didnt mean thread consensus, I meant consensus from the people that could read her well. ppl can play with their votes, thats fine I guess especially on D1, but I appreciate it when they explain their moves too

I don’t know how to chunk things up neatly, so I’m going to broadly speak about this post here:

You explain your read on me and it indicates you’ve read my posts in concentration (you’re familiar with my ISO) but conclude by saying you’ll read my posts over again. This language is notoriously scum in my experience. It’s pretends to be productive. Why would you spend all that time going back through my ISO after coming off a night phase when you would have had the time to do so? Up until just now, I hadn’t posted anything new. Nothing new happened. Unless you just have a fancy for reading my posts many times over, I don’t see anyone actually doing that. So in this case, that assertion reads like fake productivity to me.

Your answer about Alison is uninformative and dismissive. You may as well have not said anything there.

Your read about Guilltine is not unique and Guilltine has SO much content this game, that this response feels uninspired.

The rest are non-committal. It’s “I like them, but I don’t, but I guess they’re okay” which has been something I’ve noticed in almost all of your posts.

I don’t believe you’re scum hunting. You’re being quite productively unproductive, from what I’m seeing in your posts.

Dana wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 6:07 pm
Actvscenei wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 6:04 pm I don’t mean to drive down this tunnel...but I really think Dana is scum, y’all. I do not like the question about Nutella’s flip (feels like a forced derp), and I do not like this reiteration of the reads list. I think I’m going to trust my D1 initial instinct right now because D2 hasn’t changed my mind yet. Her reads are trying too hard. She isn’t really scum hunting, I really believe she is spending more time on her appearance than finding scum. Call me crazy, but like...my vote is going back there haha.
I was asked to answer these questions...?

Are you looking for an answer to this question or...? Lol. I didn’t say I didn’t like that you reiterated them. I said I didn’t like your reiteration.

I wonder why you came to the game thread with the role question. Why didn’t you ask in your discord channel? I figured a motive could have been to see if anyone outed themselves by knowing the answer, but you didn’t follow through with that. You didn’t persist or dig deeper for an answer. So that couldn’t have been the motive. General curiosity? Probably, but you had the entire night phase to ask questions of the game mods. Coming into the game thread and asking that question as one of your first posts into D2 has me thinking you know what that role is, consider it pretty unique, and asked the game thread as a sort of fake derp. All that aside, the general tone and timing of it don’t sit right with me. Call it vibes. To help quell my suspicion on you, can you explain your purpose for asking that question?

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 6:06 pm
Actvscenei wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 6:04 pm I don’t mean to drive down this tunnel...but I really think Dana is scum, y’all. I do not like the question about Nutella’s flip (feels like a forced derp), and I do not like this reiteration of the reads list. I think I’m going to trust my D1 initial instinct right now because D2 hasn’t changed my mind yet. Her reads are trying too hard. She isn’t really scum hunting, I really believe she is spending more time on her appearance than finding scum. Call me crazy, but like...my vote is going back there haha.
What’s your read on Hawk

I have no confident read on Hawk. Didn’t mind her reaction to your red check post, but I know Hawk is really level-headed so I’m not surprised. I wouldn’t be surprised if she is fully lying to you either lol. I guess that’s where I’m at. The only read I’m feeling confident on atm is Dana.

[VOTE: Dana] aubergine

I don’t mean to drive down this tunnel...but I really think Dana is scum, y’all. I do not like the question about Nutella’s flip (feels like a forced derp), and I do not like this reiteration of the reads list.

I think I’m going to trust my D1 initial instinct right now because D2 hasn’t changed my mind yet. Her reads are trying too hard. She isn’t really scum hunting, I really believe she is spending more time on her appearance than finding scum. Call me crazy, but like...my vote is going back there haha.

hawkataine wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 3:38 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 3:36 pm
Actvscenei wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 3:34 pm
Tangrowth wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 3:31 pm
Actvscenei wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 3:30 pm
Tangrowth wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 3:27 pm Hey @Actvscenei you may want to move your vote ASAP.
Why and to whom?
Too late now, just... your vote was sitting on a person and you're the only vote. It isn't accomplishing anything active, that's all.
I tried the whole voting with consensus thing a couple times and it did me dirty lol. If the person I suspect the most happens to be the consensus vote, then so be it. But I won’t vote just because it’s the wagon. Dana is my top suspect with Belzy following close behind. That’s my vote.
If me/made is v/v this is wolf who didnt care
I can vouch for this opinion being true, but admittedly doesn't mean she's not a wolf xD

It doesn’t hahah. And I would never use it as an excuse for anyone to town read me. It’s basically super NAI. I just am who I am.

Tangrowth wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 3:35 pm
Actvscenei wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 3:34 pm
Tangrowth wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 3:31 pm
Actvscenei wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 3:30 pm
Tangrowth wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 3:27 pm Hey @Actvscenei you may want to move your vote ASAP.
Why and to whom?
Too late now, just... your vote was sitting on a person and you're the only vote. It isn't accomplishing anything active, that's all.
I tried the whole voting with consensus thing a couple times and it did me dirty lol. If the person I suspect the most happens to be the consensus vote, then so be it. But I won’t vote just because it’s the wagon. Dana is my top suspect with Belzy following close behind. That’s my vote.
That's totally fair, thanks for explaining!

Just... the town's best weapon to win the game is the yeet, so if you're town and not influencing the active wagons, it means they could be more easily influenced by scum with TMI.

I understand that, which was the motivation for me to experiment and change up my play style upon my return out of my recent hiatus. But like I said, it did me dirty. I make my posts, my arguments, and people can make of it what they will. I vote the people I most suspect. That’s been my play for years.

Tangrowth wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 3:31 pm
Actvscenei wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 3:30 pm
Tangrowth wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 3:27 pm Hey @Actvscenei you may want to move your vote ASAP.
Why and to whom?
Too late now, just... your vote was sitting on a person and you're the only vote. It isn't accomplishing anything active, that's all.

I tried the whole voting with consensus thing a couple times and it did me dirty lol. If the person I suspect the most happens to be the consensus vote, then so be it. But I won’t vote just because it’s the wagon. Dana is my top suspect with Belzy following close behind. That’s my vote.

Tangrowth wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 3:27 pm Hey @Actvscenei you may want to move your vote ASAP.

Why and to whom?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 3:17 pm The day phase ends in 13 minutes, so this probably isn't the best time for catching up. Decisions must be made now.

I’m not trying to catch up, if that’s what you’re referring to.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 3:16 pm
Actvscenei wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 3:15 pm
Tangrowth wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 3:08 pm Looking quickly/holistically, Belzy seems okay. I'm not inspired but I think there's gear turning in there that seems genuine enough.
I didn’t like Belzy’s quick approval of Dana’s reads list and her responses to my questioning it. Something felt off there, so vibe reads lead me toward thinking Belzy is scum.

Also, how tf do I ISO someone?? Lol I’ve been sitting here trying to figure it out like a damn idiot
The hosts have provided links next to each players' name in the thread's first post.

Ah!! I thought I had remembered something about the mods making it easy for us, and then I couldn’t remember or search to find it

Thank you!

Tangrowth wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 3:08 pm Looking quickly/holistically, Belzy seems okay. I'm not inspired but I think there's gear turning in there that seems genuine enough.

I didn’t like Belzy’s quick approval of Dana’s reads list and her responses to my questioning it. Something felt off there, so vibe reads lead me toward thinking Belzy is scum.

Also, how tf do I ISO someone?? Lol I’ve been sitting here trying to figure it out like a damn idiot

Tangrowth wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 2:21 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 1:07 am

Reasonably sure this is why it feels like mostly perc people with suspicion around them btw

Its not "OH NO NEW PEOPLE," its just a volume issue. The two highest posting perc people are guillo and sonny and afaik they're both fairly widely townread
Also yeah, this probably could use reiterating. I can't speak for anyone, but I don't think any of the TS people want anything but a very welcoming environment for the PerC/MafC folks, to the extent a mafia game can feel that way.

I have loved playing here so far! Everyone has been super welcoming. It honestly has felt like I’ve known everyone here forever despite obviously not haha.

Tangrowth wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 2:15 pm
Actvscenei wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 2:13 pm
Tangrowth wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 2:07 pm I'm like shoving Owner with my vines right now, but she could actually be town. I am increasingly getting the feeling she believes what she's saying. I need to hear more from her though before feeling comfortable with that.
I agree with you that Owner likely believes what she’s saying, but I’m not so sure that means she’s town. What do you make of the wagon building on her?
I'm not really sure, I think there's just some innate desire to want a counterwagon, and Owner is a pretty easy person to suspect for the things she's said in this game.

Do you happen to remember who started the Owner wagon and why?

Tangrowth wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 2:07 pm I'm like shoving Owner with my vines right now, but she could actually be town. I am increasingly getting the feeling she believes what she's saying. I need to hear more from her though before feeling comfortable with that.

I agree with you that Owner likely believes what she’s saying, but I’m not so sure that means she’s town. What do you make of the wagon building on her?

Tangrowth wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 1:56 pm
Actvscenei wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 1:56 pm
Actvscenei wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 1:48 pm
Tangrowth wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 1:36 pm Woah, okay, the poll is... different. I felt better about nutella than Owner when I last left, so I'll place my vote appropriately, but I'll do some digging.

[VOTE: owner] aubergine
Why Owner? I’m not sure I love this vote change, so an explanation would help.
By vote change, I mean moving your vote to Owner at this time.
I think I answered this? Let me know if you have further questions though.

You did, thank you. I was clarifying my post before I say your answer and a bunch of posts ninja’ed this including your answer haha.

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 1:50 pm
Actvscenei wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 1:46 pm
Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 1:33 pm
Actvscenei wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 6:57 am
Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 12:56 am
Dana wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 4:45 pm
the wolves are so good at gaining everyones trust and then they just turn around and kill us all
hmm, do I trust the person with the cat avi? Sweet, innocent, cute looking kitty...hmm...they are probably...or maybe they will scratch me later...hmm...I think I should ignore my inclinations towards reading someone's avi. It's probably NAI.
Owner, what are your thoughts on Dana?

And what was your purpose for posting this/saying this out loud?
She hasn't said anything that pings me. She feels fine. She's in the slight town boat. I don't really know her range or how capable she is.

So far my the people who have pinged me are yourself, Tangy, nutella, and Sloonei

Alison's personality is strong, but I don't necessarily feel that that makes her mafia. If her reads were to clash really heavily with mine after days had gone by, I would maybe revisit her. But right now, her opinions are her own. I don't always have a purpose when responding to something. I just feel like that's something I would comment about and then I usually do so. As for saying things that help other players relate to or read me better, that probably still isn't my best suit, especially when playing with new people.
Why did you ignore my second question?
I answered it, already. I don't always have a purpose. I sometimes just comment. Are you not fully reading my post then? Spelled out in plain lettering I don't recall having a purpose, I just saw her avi and that's what I was thinking about.

I had no idea that was your answer to my question...I thought you were just giving a random read on Alison lol. So you saying “I just feel like that's something I would comment about and then I usually do so” doesn’t help me feel any better about it all since I’m getting the sense that you’re trying to emulate your town play.

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 1:48 pm
Tangrowth wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 1:36 pm Woah, okay, the poll is... different. I felt better about nutella than Owner when I last left, so I'll place my vote appropriately, but I'll do some digging.

[VOTE: owner] aubergine
Why Owner? I’m not sure I love this vote change, so an explanation would help.

By vote change, I mean moving your vote to Owner at this time.

Tangrowth wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 1:36 pm Woah, okay, the poll is... different. I felt better about nutella than Owner when I last left, so I'll place my vote appropriately, but I'll do some digging.

[VOTE: owner] aubergine

Why Owner? I’m not sure I love this vote change, so an explanation would help.

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 1:33 pm
Actvscenei wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 6:57 am
Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 12:56 am
Dana wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 4:45 pm
the wolves are so good at gaining everyones trust and then they just turn around and kill us all
hmm, do I trust the person with the cat avi? Sweet, innocent, cute looking kitty...hmm...they are probably...or maybe they will scratch me later...hmm...I think I should ignore my inclinations towards reading someone's avi. It's probably NAI.
Owner, what are your thoughts on Dana?

And what was your purpose for posting this/saying this out loud?
She hasn't said anything that pings me. She feels fine. She's in the slight town boat. I don't really know her range or how capable she is.

So far my the people who have pinged me are yourself, Tangy, nutella, and Sloonei

Alison's personality is strong, but I don't necessarily feel that that makes her mafia. If her reads were to clash really heavily with mine after days had gone by, I would maybe revisit her. But right now, her opinions are her own. I don't always have a purpose when responding to something. I just feel like that's something I would comment about and then I usually do so. As for saying things that help other players relate to or read me better, that probably still isn't my best suit, especially when playing with new people.

Why did you ignore my second question?

Belzy wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 8:16 am
Actvscenei wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 8:12 am
Belzy wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 8:07 am
Actvscenei wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 7:58 am
Belzy wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 6:43 am
Dana wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 5:16 am here's some preliminary day 1 "reads" (not sure how read-y they will be bc I feel like I never have super strong feelings.. im sure some of you might not particularly appreciate that but its just how it be sometimes early on, im sorry)

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Actvscenei - suspected me which makes me instinctively want to suspect her but reading her ISO I'm not sure I can rly bring myself to do it. very slight townlean

Alison - pushing actv so confidently as an "outed wolf" was a lil sus, but she backed off that after the fake claim (also maybe a little sis but a good explanation?). I feel like I just want to sheep her analytical brain reads but that worries me too in case I am putting too much trust. but still generally a minor townlean

Allcrab - null (where are you? )

bad bunny - also quite null, would like to see more

Belzy - I liked her couple posts earlier, they felt very substantial. it seemed to me like she was questioning things, bringing up concerns, and trying to move things along. generally helpful vibes

Dana - pls help

Garden Gnome - I like gnome. very cozy garden pocket she's got there

Gavial - I try so hard to follow his reads and I feel like I am always left scratching my head. he said he was gonna make more sense this game but uh.. I am still having some trouble. sorry bud

Guillotine - very unsure how I feel about him. im not sure how well I can articulate it but I am getting some vibes and im not sure how townie they are. I sensed some frustration earlier (but wasn't following super closely) which isn't really AI, i guess. but I was also confused about him asking not to be townread, unsure if that was a joke or not? idk...

hawkataine - I like her posts a good amount. im here for the tone and the casualness yet still trying to clear things up, ask questions, etc. good vibes all around, so gonna give her town

JaggedJimmyJay - I feel like in the last (read: only) game I've played with him, he was very very very town solve-y and really on the extreme hunt. im not sure if im getting quiiiite the same vibes here. definitely a little bit but idk if its on the same level, you know? maybe its just because its a bigger game or because he wants to leave space for all our new pals but I am a lil sus. just a tiny lil bit though

Kito - first impression is pretty good vibe and tone in posts. v slight town read

Long Con - gonna give him some more time to really get on in here, so null for the time being

lost monkey - I dont really have an issue with him as much as some other people seem to? he seems generally fine to me, maybe just taking a little bit to get into the game but I dont think that means he's a wolf. I feel like mostly JJJ's been on his tail a bit which makes me go hmm. will need to see where this goes

MacDougall - I am also getting slightly different vibes from him vs the last games I've played where he was town. but idk if that means much bc I get the sense that he really just does his own thing and doesn't seem to care very much how it makes him come across. which is fine but def makes it very hard to really do anything with being able to read him.

Made - we know each other pretty well outside of mafia but im not sure how great I am at reading him in-game. I think the bit is NAI for him though, he is pretty goofy generally and just likes to have a good time, but I think I might need some more posts to go off of to attempt a real read on him. null for now

MartinGG99 - his posts have the sense of being helpful but also seeming a little disconnected from the thread/game in general, with a couple disclaimers about his playstyle and such. this could possibly be performative but I'm gonna lean a little more on the genuine side for now bc I kinda do the same thing

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - I feel like he is doing some pretty alright hunting in his own way. I kind of put in him the same boat as mac in my mind where he kinda just does his own thing and everyone else is just kinda like... but im gonna say he's mostly okay for now

nutella - im very tempted to sheep the ppl who know her better but I feel like there isn't really a consensus on her there so... v confused. Mac seemed to go back and forth a lil bit on her but is currently voting her so maybe the consensus is wolf. idk I am very tired and this is taking too many brain cells

Owner of a Lonely Heart - very very confused about the whole upgaymers/spicy thing. also felt like she might have been trying to pocket me a lil bit which makes me sus. potentially an okay day 1 sheep vote? aaaaaaaaaaaaa

Sloonei - he seems to have very good responses when asked about things, and also seems to have some good/confident takes which is cool, so im gonna say he's town

Seanzie - idr who it was but someone said he is likely to be more active as a wolf and im willing to sheep that read for now, so town-ish

Sonny - I also like his tone/vibe in his posts a lot, a good balance of chatting and also questioning, and I feel like he is being helpful on the hunt as much as he can be this early on, gonna say town

Tangrowth - I liked her posts and her vibe early on, and she also does have a very nice cozy pocket, but im wondering if maybe I trust her too much and there might be a hole in the bottom. im not really sure why, but I feel like I have to be kind of cautious

ok I kinda lost some steam towards the end there bc this took way longer than I thought it would and now it's 5am here so I am gonna go pass out and plan to hopefully be around for EoD

ps. for those of you that dont want to read all that here it is in plain name list form
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Town…:
Sonny
Tangrowth
hawkataine
Sloonei
Belzy

Slight town:
Actvscenei
Garden Gnome
Seanzie
Alison
MartinGG99
Kito

Confused about:
MacDougall
JaggedJimmyJay
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
nutella 

Maybe slight wolf(??):
Gavial
Owner of a Lonely Heart
Guillotine

Null:
bad bunny
Long Con
lost monkey
Made
Allcrab

I really like your read list. It isn't empty, not even half empty. You give actual reads, and I have a suspicion on all of Gavial, Guillo and Tang, so I appreciate reading you have also on the first two, and show some second guessing on Tang as well. Owner and nutella you got as supisicious and confusing respectively, and I am still listening and reading about what people have to say about them. And of course, the are still a lot of people who need to post more, who are in your null list. I would rather place Seanzie in that list, who you got as slight town, while as far as I know he simply entered the thread, but has pretty much not done anything [AI] yet.
I couldn’t disagree more. This reads lists looks exactly like someone trying to appear productive in a non-productive way.
What do you find non-productive about it?
They are very non-committal, this-or-that, and at the end I don’t feel like anything is really learned.
You are not giving a concrete example. Maybe if you do, I can understand better. She made a long post with many reads ans thoughts, and you just say in one sentence: nah, scummy. Okay, two sentences. You are on my POE pile, Actv. Your early push on her was question mark to me, but your continious is not a good look at all.

Is there a time limit for how long I’m allowed to suspect someone? Dana has not done anything to change my read, and that reads list stood out to me. What concrete examples are you looking for? Just read the list. It’s full of back and forths, nulls, and uncertainties. Why post a list like that if it can’t commit? What prompted Dana to post it? No one asked for a list.

If you want me to go into each read and point out how they are weak reads, I will.

Belzy wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 8:08 am
Actvscenei wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 8:07 am
Belzy wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 7:30 am
nutella wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 11:34 pm
Tangrowth wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 11:32 pm Right now if I did GTH:

Actvscenei - scum
Alison - scum
Allcrab - N/A due to lack of posts
bad bunny - scum
Belzy - town
Dana - town
Garden Gnome - town
Gavial - town
Guillotine - town
hawkataine - town
JaggedJimmyJay - town
Kito - town
Long Con - town
lost monkey - scum
MacDougall - town
Made - town
MartinGG99 - scum
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - town
nutella - town
Owner of a Lonely Heart - town
Sloonei - town
Seanzie - scum
Sonny - town
Tangrowth - the best

Well, that was interesting.
I think other than alison these pretty much all line up with where I'd land as well though some of them are very barely
Is it common on Syndicate to just agree with a read list, without any explanations or further thoughts (in the read list, and as well for the most part in the response)? To clarify: I tend to give more thoughts or ask questions, because anyone could just place the words town and scum next to a name, and just blend in, without having to show your actual thought process behind them (which are the most AI thing, in general).

nutella wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 3:16 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 3:11 am Feedback requested:

Is lost monkey's read on Owner TMI
maybe
Maybe? Why maybe?
And scum can as easily throw down hallow explanations to appear productively scum hunting.
You can say that, but it also doesn't say anything really what you are saying here.

I’m not sure I understand what you’re saying

Belzy wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 8:07 am
Actvscenei wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 7:58 am
Belzy wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 6:43 am
Dana wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 5:16 am here's some preliminary day 1 "reads" (not sure how read-y they will be bc I feel like I never have super strong feelings.. im sure some of you might not particularly appreciate that but its just how it be sometimes early on, im sorry)

Spoiler: show
Actvscenei - suspected me which makes me instinctively want to suspect her but reading her ISO I'm not sure I can rly bring myself to do it. very slight townlean

Alison - pushing actv so confidently as an "outed wolf" was a lil sus, but she backed off that after the fake claim (also maybe a little sis but a good explanation?). I feel like I just want to sheep her analytical brain reads but that worries me too in case I am putting too much trust. but still generally a minor townlean

Allcrab - null (where are you? )

bad bunny - also quite null, would like to see more

Belzy - I liked her couple posts earlier, they felt very substantial. it seemed to me like she was questioning things, bringing up concerns, and trying to move things along. generally helpful vibes

Dana - pls help

Garden Gnome - I like gnome. very cozy garden pocket she's got there

Gavial - I try so hard to follow his reads and I feel like I am always left scratching my head. he said he was gonna make more sense this game but uh.. I am still having some trouble. sorry bud

Guillotine - very unsure how I feel about him. im not sure how well I can articulate it but I am getting some vibes and im not sure how townie they are. I sensed some frustration earlier (but wasn't following super closely) which isn't really AI, i guess. but I was also confused about him asking not to be townread, unsure if that was a joke or not? idk...

hawkataine - I like her posts a good amount. im here for the tone and the casualness yet still trying to clear things up, ask questions, etc. good vibes all around, so gonna give her town

JaggedJimmyJay - I feel like in the last (read: only) game I've played with him, he was very very very town solve-y and really on the extreme hunt. im not sure if im getting quiiiite the same vibes here. definitely a little bit but idk if its on the same level, you know? maybe its just because its a bigger game or because he wants to leave space for all our new pals but I am a lil sus. just a tiny lil bit though

Kito - first impression is pretty good vibe and tone in posts. v slight town read

Long Con - gonna give him some more time to really get on in here, so null for the time being

lost monkey - I dont really have an issue with him as much as some other people seem to? he seems generally fine to me, maybe just taking a little bit to get into the game but I dont think that means he's a wolf. I feel like mostly JJJ's been on his tail a bit which makes me go hmm. will need to see where this goes

MacDougall - I am also getting slightly different vibes from him vs the last games I've played where he was town. but idk if that means much bc I get the sense that he really just does his own thing and doesn't seem to care very much how it makes him come across. which is fine but def makes it very hard to really do anything with being able to read him.

Made - we know each other pretty well outside of mafia but im not sure how great I am at reading him in-game. I think the bit is NAI for him though, he is pretty goofy generally and just likes to have a good time, but I think I might need some more posts to go off of to attempt a real read on him. null for now

MartinGG99 - his posts have the sense of being helpful but also seeming a little disconnected from the thread/game in general, with a couple disclaimers about his playstyle and such. this could possibly be performative but I'm gonna lean a little more on the genuine side for now bc I kinda do the same thing

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - I feel like he is doing some pretty alright hunting in his own way. I kind of put in him the same boat as mac in my mind where he kinda just does his own thing and everyone else is just kinda like... but im gonna say he's mostly okay for now

nutella - im very tempted to sheep the ppl who know her better but I feel like there isn't really a consensus on her there so... v confused. Mac seemed to go back and forth a lil bit on her but is currently voting her so maybe the consensus is wolf. idk I am very tired and this is taking too many brain cells

Owner of a Lonely Heart - very very confused about the whole upgaymers/spicy thing. also felt like she might have been trying to pocket me a lil bit which makes me sus. potentially an okay day 1 sheep vote? aaaaaaaaaaaaa

Sloonei - he seems to have very good responses when asked about things, and also seems to have some good/confident takes which is cool, so im gonna say he's town

Seanzie - idr who it was but someone said he is likely to be more active as a wolf and im willing to sheep that read for now, so town-ish

Sonny - I also like his tone/vibe in his posts a lot, a good balance of chatting and also questioning, and I feel like he is being helpful on the hunt as much as he can be this early on, gonna say town

Tangrowth - I liked her posts and her vibe early on, and she also does have a very nice cozy pocket, but im wondering if maybe I trust her too much and there might be a hole in the bottom. im not really sure why, but I feel like I have to be kind of cautious

ok I kinda lost some steam towards the end there bc this took way longer than I thought it would and now it's 5am here so I am gonna go pass out and plan to hopefully be around for EoD

ps. for those of you that dont want to read all that here it is in plain name list form
Spoiler: show
Town…:
Sonny
Tangrowth
hawkataine
Sloonei
Belzy

Slight town:
Actvscenei
Garden Gnome
Seanzie
Alison
MartinGG99
Kito

Confused about:
MacDougall
JaggedJimmyJay
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
nutella 

Maybe slight wolf(??):
Gavial
Owner of a Lonely Heart
Guillotine

Null:
bad bunny
Long Con
lost monkey
Made
Allcrab

I really like your read list. It isn't empty, not even half empty. You give actual reads, and I have a suspicion on all of Gavial, Guillo and Tang, so I appreciate reading you have also on the first two, and show some second guessing on Tang as well. Owner and nutella you got as supisicious and confusing respectively, and I am still listening and reading about what people have to say about them. And of course, the are still a lot of people who need to post more, who are in your null list. I would rather place Seanzie in that list, who you got as slight town, while as far as I know he simply entered the thread, but has pretty much not done anything [AI] yet.
I couldn’t disagree more. This reads lists looks exactly like someone trying to appear productive in a non-productive way.
What do you find non-productive about it?

They are very non-committal, this-or-that, and at the end I don’t feel like anything is really learned.

Belzy wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 7:30 am
nutella wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 11:34 pm
Tangrowth wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 11:32 pm Right now if I did GTH:

Actvscenei - scum
Alison - scum
Allcrab - N/A due to lack of posts
bad bunny - scum
Belzy - town
Dana - town
Garden Gnome - town
Gavial - town
Guillotine - town
hawkataine - town
JaggedJimmyJay - town
Kito - town
Long Con - town
lost monkey - scum
MacDougall - town
Made - town
MartinGG99 - scum
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - town
nutella - town
Owner of a Lonely Heart - town
Sloonei - town
Seanzie - scum
Sonny - town
Tangrowth - the best

Well, that was interesting.
I think other than alison these pretty much all line up with where I'd land as well though some of them are very barely
Is it common on Syndicate to just agree with a read list, without any explanations or further thoughts (in the read list, and as well for the most part in the response)? To clarify: I tend to give more thoughts or ask questions, because anyone could just place the words town and scum next to a name, and just blend in, without having to show your actual thought process behind them (which are the most AI thing, in general).

nutella wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 3:16 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 3:11 am Feedback requested:

Is lost monkey's read on Owner TMI
maybe
Maybe? Why maybe?

And scum can as easily throw down hallow explanations to appear productively scum hunting.

Belzy wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 6:43 am
Dana wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 5:16 am here's some preliminary day 1 "reads" (not sure how read-y they will be bc I feel like I never have super strong feelings.. im sure some of you might not particularly appreciate that but its just how it be sometimes early on, im sorry)

Spoiler: show
Actvscenei - suspected me which makes me instinctively want to suspect her but reading her ISO I'm not sure I can rly bring myself to do it. very slight townlean

Alison - pushing actv so confidently as an "outed wolf" was a lil sus, but she backed off that after the fake claim (also maybe a little sis but a good explanation?). I feel like I just want to sheep her analytical brain reads but that worries me too in case I am putting too much trust. but still generally a minor townlean

Allcrab - null (where are you? )

bad bunny - also quite null, would like to see more

Belzy - I liked her couple posts earlier, they felt very substantial. it seemed to me like she was questioning things, bringing up concerns, and trying to move things along. generally helpful vibes

Dana - pls help

Garden Gnome - I like gnome. very cozy garden pocket she's got there

Gavial - I try so hard to follow his reads and I feel like I am always left scratching my head. he said he was gonna make more sense this game but uh.. I am still having some trouble. sorry bud

Guillotine - very unsure how I feel about him. im not sure how well I can articulate it but I am getting some vibes and im not sure how townie they are. I sensed some frustration earlier (but wasn't following super closely) which isn't really AI, i guess. but I was also confused about him asking not to be townread, unsure if that was a joke or not? idk...

hawkataine - I like her posts a good amount. im here for the tone and the casualness yet still trying to clear things up, ask questions, etc. good vibes all around, so gonna give her town

JaggedJimmyJay - I feel like in the last (read: only) game I've played with him, he was very very very town solve-y and really on the extreme hunt. im not sure if im getting quiiiite the same vibes here. definitely a little bit but idk if its on the same level, you know? maybe its just because its a bigger game or because he wants to leave space for all our new pals but I am a lil sus. just a tiny lil bit though

Kito - first impression is pretty good vibe and tone in posts. v slight town read

Long Con - gonna give him some more time to really get on in here, so null for the time being

lost monkey - I dont really have an issue with him as much as some other people seem to? he seems generally fine to me, maybe just taking a little bit to get into the game but I dont think that means he's a wolf. I feel like mostly JJJ's been on his tail a bit which makes me go hmm. will need to see where this goes

MacDougall - I am also getting slightly different vibes from him vs the last games I've played where he was town. but idk if that means much bc I get the sense that he really just does his own thing and doesn't seem to care very much how it makes him come across. which is fine but def makes it very hard to really do anything with being able to read him.

Made - we know each other pretty well outside of mafia but im not sure how great I am at reading him in-game. I think the bit is NAI for him though, he is pretty goofy generally and just likes to have a good time, but I think I might need some more posts to go off of to attempt a real read on him. null for now

MartinGG99 - his posts have the sense of being helpful but also seeming a little disconnected from the thread/game in general, with a couple disclaimers about his playstyle and such. this could possibly be performative but I'm gonna lean a little more on the genuine side for now bc I kinda do the same thing

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - I feel like he is doing some pretty alright hunting in his own way. I kind of put in him the same boat as mac in my mind where he kinda just does his own thing and everyone else is just kinda like... but im gonna say he's mostly okay for now

nutella - im very tempted to sheep the ppl who know her better but I feel like there isn't really a consensus on her there so... v confused. Mac seemed to go back and forth a lil bit on her but is currently voting her so maybe the consensus is wolf. idk I am very tired and this is taking too many brain cells

Owner of a Lonely Heart - very very confused about the whole upgaymers/spicy thing. also felt like she might have been trying to pocket me a lil bit which makes me sus. potentially an okay day 1 sheep vote? aaaaaaaaaaaaa

Sloonei - he seems to have very good responses when asked about things, and also seems to have some good/confident takes which is cool, so im gonna say he's town

Seanzie - idr who it was but someone said he is likely to be more active as a wolf and im willing to sheep that read for now, so town-ish

Sonny - I also like his tone/vibe in his posts a lot, a good balance of chatting and also questioning, and I feel like he is being helpful on the hunt as much as he can be this early on, gonna say town

Tangrowth - I liked her posts and her vibe early on, and she also does have a very nice cozy pocket, but im wondering if maybe I trust her too much and there might be a hole in the bottom. im not really sure why, but I feel like I have to be kind of cautious

ok I kinda lost some steam towards the end there bc this took way longer than I thought it would and now it's 5am here so I am gonna go pass out and plan to hopefully be around for EoD

ps. for those of you that dont want to read all that here it is in plain name list form
Spoiler: show
Town…:
Sonny
Tangrowth
hawkataine
Sloonei
Belzy

Slight town:
Actvscenei
Garden Gnome
Seanzie
Alison
MartinGG99
Kito

Confused about:
MacDougall
JaggedJimmyJay
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
nutella 

Maybe slight wolf(??):
Gavial
Owner of a Lonely Heart
Guillotine

Null:
bad bunny
Long Con
lost monkey
Made
Allcrab

I really like your read list. It isn't empty, not even half empty. You give actual reads, and I have a suspicion on all of Gavial, Guillo and Tang, so I appreciate reading you have also on the first two, and show some second guessing on Tang as well. Owner and nutella you got as supisicious and confusing respectively, and I am still listening and reading about what people have to say about them. And of course, the are still a lot of people who need to post more, who are in your null list. I would rather place Seanzie in that list, who you got as slight town, while as far as I know he simply entered the thread, but has pretty much not done anything [AI] yet.

I couldn’t disagree more. This reads lists looks exactly like someone trying to appear productive in a non-productive way.

Dana wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 5:16 am here's some preliminary day 1 "reads" (not sure how read-y they will be bc I feel like I never have super strong feelings.. im sure some of you might not particularly appreciate that but its just how it be sometimes early on, im sorry)

Spoiler: show
Actvscenei - suspected me which makes me instinctively want to suspect her but reading her ISO I'm not sure I can rly bring myself to do it. very slight townlean

Alison - pushing actv so confidently as an "outed wolf" was a lil sus, but she backed off that after the fake claim (also maybe a little sis but a good explanation?). I feel like I just want to sheep her analytical brain reads but that worries me too in case I am putting too much trust. but still generally a minor townlean

Allcrab - null (where are you? )

bad bunny - also quite null, would like to see more

Belzy - I liked her couple posts earlier, they felt very substantial. it seemed to me like she was questioning things, bringing up concerns, and trying to move things along. generally helpful vibes

Dana - pls help

Garden Gnome - I like gnome. very cozy garden pocket she's got there

Gavial - I try so hard to follow his reads and I feel like I am always left scratching my head. he said he was gonna make more sense this game but uh.. I am still having some trouble. sorry bud

Guillotine - very unsure how I feel about him. im not sure how well I can articulate it but I am getting some vibes and im not sure how townie they are. I sensed some frustration earlier (but wasn't following super closely) which isn't really AI, i guess. but I was also confused about him asking not to be townread, unsure if that was a joke or not? idk...

hawkataine - I like her posts a good amount. im here for the tone and the casualness yet still trying to clear things up, ask questions, etc. good vibes all around, so gonna give her town

JaggedJimmyJay - I feel like in the last (read: only) game I've played with him, he was very very very town solve-y and really on the extreme hunt. im not sure if im getting quiiiite the same vibes here. definitely a little bit but idk if its on the same level, you know? maybe its just because its a bigger game or because he wants to leave space for all our new pals but I am a lil sus. just a tiny lil bit though

Kito - first impression is pretty good vibe and tone in posts. v slight town read

Long Con - gonna give him some more time to really get on in here, so null for the time being

lost monkey - I dont really have an issue with him as much as some other people seem to? he seems generally fine to me, maybe just taking a little bit to get into the game but I dont think that means he's a wolf. I feel like mostly JJJ's been on his tail a bit which makes me go hmm. will need to see where this goes

MacDougall - I am also getting slightly different vibes from him vs the last games I've played where he was town. but idk if that means much bc I get the sense that he really just does his own thing and doesn't seem to care very much how it makes him come across. which is fine but def makes it very hard to really do anything with being able to read him.

Made - we know each other pretty well outside of mafia but im not sure how great I am at reading him in-game. I think the bit is NAI for him though, he is pretty goofy generally and just likes to have a good time, but I think I might need some more posts to go off of to attempt a real read on him. null for now

MartinGG99 - his posts have the sense of being helpful but also seeming a little disconnected from the thread/game in general, with a couple disclaimers about his playstyle and such. this could possibly be performative but I'm gonna lean a little more on the genuine side for now bc I kinda do the same thing

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - I feel like he is doing some pretty alright hunting in his own way. I kind of put in him the same boat as mac in my mind where he kinda just does his own thing and everyone else is just kinda like... but im gonna say he's mostly okay for now

nutella - im very tempted to sheep the ppl who know her better but I feel like there isn't really a consensus on her there so... v confused. Mac seemed to go back and forth a lil bit on her but is currently voting her so maybe the consensus is wolf. idk I am very tired and this is taking too many brain cells

Owner of a Lonely Heart - very very confused about the whole upgaymers/spicy thing. also felt like she might have been trying to pocket me a lil bit which makes me sus. potentially an okay day 1 sheep vote? aaaaaaaaaaaaa

Sloonei - he seems to have very good responses when asked about things, and also seems to have some good/confident takes which is cool, so im gonna say he's town

Seanzie - idr who it was but someone said he is likely to be more active as a wolf and im willing to sheep that read for now, so town-ish

Sonny - I also like his tone/vibe in his posts a lot, a good balance of chatting and also questioning, and I feel like he is being helpful on the hunt as much as he can be this early on, gonna say town

Tangrowth - I liked her posts and her vibe early on, and she also does have a very nice cozy pocket, but im wondering if maybe I trust her too much and there might be a hole in the bottom. im not really sure why, but I feel like I have to be kind of cautious

ok I kinda lost some steam towards the end there bc this took way longer than I thought it would and now it's 5am here so I am gonna go pass out and plan to hopefully be around for EoD

ps. for those of you that dont want to read all that here it is in plain name list form
Spoiler: show
Town…:
Sonny
Tangrowth
hawkataine
Sloonei
Belzy

Slight town:
Actvscenei
Garden Gnome
Seanzie
Alison
MartinGG99
Kito

Confused about:
MacDougall
JaggedJimmyJay
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
nutella 

Maybe slight wolf(??):
Gavial
Owner of a Lonely Heart
Guillotine

Null:
bad bunny
Long Con
lost monkey
Made
Allcrab

This list though....

What prompted you to do this?

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 2:28 am
nutella wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 2:25 am
Like it's not banter she's pretending stuff is alignment indicative that is very not and it's jarring
What do you mean it's not alignment indicative? The coffee tell on Dizzy was a pattern. Something very small could easily be another pattern. Do you not analyze patterns? A lot of stuff can be alignment indicative. It depends the players and certain variables, but they can be there.

I agree that small things can be part of a bigger pattern; however, until you start seeing that pattern with confirmed results, how can you call it alignment indicative? Have you seen Nutella play mafia games in which “spicy” was a word she only used as scum?

nutella wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 1:54 am Like this is easy, mac does this every game, if he's town he's just gauging reactions and will rescind soon enough but do it again on and off, if he's mafia he'll decide it's not worth it and lock me town to try to get in my pocket

What’s the purpose of this post? Are you trying to calm yourself or others here?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 1:48 am Nutella frozen again

I think I asked this a while back and I don’t think I’ve seen an answer (maybe I missed it)...what does this mean? Lol

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 7:15 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 1:38 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 1:31 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 1:30 am I wanna kill nutella
why
she keeps pinging me, that spicy comment in particular was weird
Owner does that. She picks up on the smallest, seemingly strangest reasons to read people. With that said, it doesn’t usually seem this prominent...meaning, I feel like she’s laying it on thick right now. It feels manufactured in a “I know people know me for this type of game play so I should be doing that!”

For example: in the past, Owner used the word “interesting” as a scum tell for people. In another game, she used an avatar change as a scum tell. Now, I’m seeing her pick up on an odd word AND call out an avatar nearly back to back.

Realized you were talking about Nutella and not Owner here lol.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 1:44 am I've been calling things I agree with spicy for literal years now what is wrong with you people

Is anyone other than Owner suspecting you for the word “spicy?”

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 1:38 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 1:31 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 1:30 am I wanna kill nutella
why
she keeps pinging me, that spicy comment in particular was weird

Owner does that. She picks up on the smallest, seemingly strangest reasons to read people. With that said, it doesn’t usually seem this prominent...meaning, I feel like she’s laying it on thick right now. It feels manufactured in a “I know people know me for this type of game play so I should be doing that!”

For example: in the past, Owner used the word “interesting” as a scum tell for people. In another game, she used an avatar change as a scum tell. Now, I’m seeing her pick up on an odd word AND call out an avatar nearly back to back.

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 1:16 am
Alison wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 1:12 am
Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 12:45 am not sure, how I feel about all the lomo votes...hmm...I'm not caught up. But it seems like I keep seeing PerC wagons as if we are unwelcomed on someone's home turf...adk
I really hate this AtE.

[VOTE: Owner] aubergine
It's not AtE. It's I see 4 votes on lomo that look steady or have been there for a period of time. Generally like 4 or 5 votes on someone is like there is probably scum in that wagon. Or it could mean like a cop check or something, but generally day 1 a wagon that size and potentially unmoving is kind of meh for me.

So from that point of view, I think he might be town, but I have yet to read his posts, so I don't know yet.

I don’t think his wagon has been there that long tbh though. I went to bed yesterday and his wagon wasn’t this big. Woke up and see a larger wagon. Maybe my perception is off?

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 12:56 am
Dana wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 4:45 pm
the wolves are so good at gaining everyones trust and then they just turn around and kill us all
hmm, do I trust the person with the cat avi? Sweet, innocent, cute looking kitty...hmm...they are probably...or maybe they will scratch me later...hmm...I think I should ignore my inclinations towards reading someone's avi. It's probably NAI.

Owner, what are your thoughts on Dana?

And what was your purpose for posting this/saying this out loud?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 2:13 pm
Actvscenei wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 9:26 am
Alison wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 9:10 am If you don't believe in readslists for some reason, feel free to leave whatever other legacy you want. I'm just trying to make sure we aren't left with nothing but your suspicion on Dana if you flip green.
You aren’t left with nothing lol. I encourage you to read all my posts and interactions and not just the ones that fit your narrative that I’m scum because I suspect Dana.
I've just done this, and I am left uncertain about most of your views of the game.

You suspected Dana and you liked Tangrowth. Each has been discussed plenty already. Otherwise, I don't know? You have a non-read on Garden Gnome and haven't said much about anyone else in particular -- you've asked questions about nutella without a clear conclusion that I've seen. You made an essentially alignment-neutral assertion about Guillotine.

Whaddya think? I don't need a "reads list" if you don't want, but I've done here what you asked of Alison and still don't know much.

Well then, I guess that’s your answer about my reads.

Gavial wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 2:10 pm
Gavial wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 4:58 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 4:57 pm
Actvscenei wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 4:54 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 4:14 pm First date icebreaker question for everyone: what’s your favorite trip you’ve ever been on?
Disney World/Disney Cruises. And you?

Follow up, why did you choose to ask this particular question?
wolfy first post
Agreed let’s pressure them!
WOAH here’s the fuckin reason!
Might wanna get those eyes of yours checked!

Thanks! I appreciate you pointing this out to me. My eyes are pretty awful and my contacts have expired so...makes sense

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