The Syndicate

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 12:12 am It's a feeling, Jay. But also 3p post a lot and get concerned when you call them out on it. One of my old posts explained it better.

3p post a lot? is that like.. a thing

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:15 pm So like... how we all feelin' about Sloonei?

sloonei has felt fine to me, how do you feel about him?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 8:43 pm

Dana wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 8:36 pm also I've seen atp mentioned twice and its not on the mu acronym wiki, what does it mean?

"at the present" I believe. It isn't really a mafia acronym, just an interwebz one.

ah okay, thank u. I think the corner of the internet I come from always used atm instead for "at the moment"

also I've seen atp mentioned twice and its not on the mu acronym wiki, what does it mean?

Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 8:33 pm

Dana wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 8:31 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 8:29 pm I have done something unambiguously pro town with my night action but you probably won't find out what it is until later.

or we could find out now if you tell us

No it's much funnier if I leave it mysterious and the mafia has to drive themselves crazy figuring out whether or not they should shoot me.

Also I want to at least kind of respect JJJ's point that claiming should be only done when there is a specific mechanical need as claim spamming can lead to bad results. I promise if it ever comes up as important I'll claim it.

well if someone doesn't heal you soon the mafia won't have to make that decision it seems. but yes that makes sense

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 8:30 pm

Dana wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 8:29 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:43 pm Quick question. What is your favorite choice of sweets to give to a date between these options?

* Cheesecake
* Dick shape lollipops
* CHOCOLATES
* Cotton Candy

where did these options come from, are you a gift giver also?

No, Kito gave him dick shaped lollipops I think.

so how did he know the rest of the options? or was it more of a like "what doesn't fit on this list" type of thing

Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 8:29 pm I have done something unambiguously pro town with my night action but you probably won't find out what it is until later.

or we could find out now if you tell us

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:43 pm Quick question. What is your favorite choice of sweets to give to a date between these options?

* Cheesecake
* Dick shape lollipops
* CHOCOLATES
* Cotton Candy

where did these options come from, are you a gift giver also?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:50 pm

Garden Gnome wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:35 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:24 pm I’m developing a new theory, would like some feedback on it:

Owner is town.

Interesting theory. What do you think of the fruit vender thing and of Owner's disappearance in the thread? Could you give some details that would back up the theory?

"Fruit vendor" is an atypical claim to make and the kind of thing that would almost certainly have to be at least somewhat tied to a real role, because it's too bizarre for someone, when pressed for a roleclaim, to blurt out "I gave someone fruit!" when there is an entire world of more common abilities available to players in mafia games.
Owner's "disappearance" can be attributed to anything. I will not provide an answer for her on that question.

I could be wrong but I thought someone mentioned she claimed some type of vendor in a past game? I will go look to verify but if thats the case I definitely think it could be a fake claim from something that she already knew existed in a game and had previous experience with

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:41 pm

Dana wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:34 pm

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:32 pm

Dana wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:25 pm

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:22 pm

Dana wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:21 pm

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:10 pm

What specifically makes you suspicious of Jay for that response? And why don’t you want to believe it?

it wasn't the response itself that made me suspicious, but I think the context gave me some paranoia about his posts this game in general. I got very very minorly pinged by something he said last twilight but idk how to articulate why it bothered me so ive been trying to ignore it and hope it goes away. I dont want to believe it bc I feel like JJJ is such a strong town player that it would kinda suck if he wasn't town

Can you explain further what you mean by the context then?

the context of knowing that he goes hard for town as mafia also, kind of similar to what you said in your wall post. that a ton of effort makes you naturally want to read that as town, but that isn't always necessarily the case

What’s your read on me?

I think you're town-ish

Why?

I attempted to explain to guillo as best as I could earlier, but basically I like your questioning of things going on. I had a moment of doubt about you earlier with the whole belzy thing after she flipped I was like... wait didn't act kinda try to get me to question my belzy read? but idk I think that could have been town analysis too which is never perfect since you're wrong about me also and im sure im wrong about a lot of others

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:32 pm

Dana wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:25 pm

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:22 pm

Dana wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:21 pm

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:10 pm

Dana wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:05 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 10:52 am I don’t think anyone answered @Dana’s question (or @Made), so I’ll just do it.

Yes I am still a leader as mafia and yes I still do mass analysis. Instead of reading me on effort, I suggest reading me on content. My view of the game says a lot more about my alignment than raw notions of what my posts look like.

thanks for your answer! it does make me a lil sus of you but im gonna try to push that to the back of my mind for now bc I dont want to believe it

What specifically makes you suspicious of Jay for that response? And why don’t you want to believe it?

it wasn't the response itself that made me suspicious, but I think the context gave me some paranoia about his posts this game in general. I got very very minorly pinged by something he said last twilight but idk how to articulate why it bothered me so ive been trying to ignore it and hope it goes away. I dont want to believe it bc I feel like JJJ is such a strong town player that it would kinda suck if he wasn't town

Can you explain further what you mean by the context then?

the context of knowing that he goes hard for town as mafia also, kind of similar to what you said in your wall post. that a ton of effort makes you naturally want to read that as town, but that isn't always necessarily the case

What’s your read on me?

I think you're town-ish

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:24 pm

Dana wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:21 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:14 pm

Dana wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:06 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 1:44 pm Kinda wish the shot hadn't been wasted on the second most obvious town in the game but

Mafc gonna mafc

can I ask who is the #1 most obvious town is in your opinion?

You can probably guess the answer

is it you?

Thats a bingo

who do you think the mafia are?

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:22 pm

Dana wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:21 pm

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:10 pm

Dana wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:05 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 10:52 am I don’t think anyone answered @Dana’s question (or @Made), so I’ll just do it.

Yes I am still a leader as mafia and yes I still do mass analysis. Instead of reading me on effort, I suggest reading me on content. My view of the game says a lot more about my alignment than raw notions of what my posts look like.

thanks for your answer! it does make me a lil sus of you but im gonna try to push that to the back of my mind for now bc I dont want to believe it

What specifically makes you suspicious of Jay for that response? And why don’t you want to believe it?

it wasn't the response itself that made me suspicious, but I think the context gave me some paranoia about his posts this game in general. I got very very minorly pinged by something he said last twilight but idk how to articulate why it bothered me so ive been trying to ignore it and hope it goes away. I dont want to believe it bc I feel like JJJ is such a strong town player that it would kinda suck if he wasn't town

Can you explain further what you mean by the context then?

the context of knowing that he goes hard for town as mafia also, kind of similar to what you said in your wall post. that a ton of effort makes you naturally want to read that as town, but that isn't always necessarily the case

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:18 pm

Dana wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:06 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 1:44 pm Kinda wish the shot hadn't been wasted on the second most obvious town in the game but

Mafc gonna mafc

can I ask who is the #1 most obvious town is in your opinion?

Can you answer the same question?

good question. im not sure I would say anyone is super obvious town other than tangy rn, but looking at the list I would be ok with giving current townleans to you, Kito, hawk, and seanzie

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:14 pm

Dana wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:06 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 1:44 pm Kinda wish the shot hadn't been wasted on the second most obvious town in the game but

Mafc gonna mafc

can I ask who is the #1 most obvious town is in your opinion?

You can probably guess the answer

is it you?

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:10 pm

Dana wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:05 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 10:52 am I don’t think anyone answered @Dana’s question (or @Made), so I’ll just do it.

Yes I am still a leader as mafia and yes I still do mass analysis. Instead of reading me on effort, I suggest reading me on content. My view of the game says a lot more about my alignment than raw notions of what my posts look like.

thanks for your answer! it does make me a lil sus of you but im gonna try to push that to the back of my mind for now bc I dont want to believe it

What specifically makes you suspicious of Jay for that response? And why don’t you want to believe it?

it wasn't the response itself that made me suspicious, but I think the context gave me some paranoia about his posts this game in general. I got very very minorly pinged by something he said last twilight but idk how to articulate why it bothered me so ive been trying to ignore it and hope it goes away. I dont want to believe it bc I feel like JJJ is such a strong town player that it would kinda suck if he wasn't town

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 1:44 pm Kinda wish the shot hadn't been wasted on the second most obvious town in the game but

Mafc gonna mafc

can I ask who is the #1 most obvious town is in your opinion?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 10:52 am I don’t think anyone answered @Dana’s question (or @Made), so I’ll just do it.

Yes I am still a leader as mafia and yes I still do mass analysis. Instead of reading me on effort, I suggest reading me on content. My view of the game says a lot more about my alignment than raw notions of what my posts look like.

thanks for your answer! it does make me a lil sus of you but im gonna try to push that to the back of my mind for now bc I dont want to believe it

what does mafia JJJ look like? if he has a reputation for being town leader type, how well does he replicate that as non-town?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:38 am

Dana wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:33 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:29 am

Sonny wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:25 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:19 am

Dana wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:13 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:10 am OoO! Fun! Sonny, you also tried to distract me with Kito. I like this!

what is it that he's trying to distract you from?

Minimally owner. I could have possibly been onto more, but the only two people I will express any sort of confident read out of are Owner (very strong read), and Sonny (much much weaker but still worth something read).

Oh? What is your read on me?

I mean if you have already shared, I'll get there, but we're both here right now.

Up until recently? Town, but recently? well, all I'll say is that everyone should bookmark Sonny's reactions to me tonight for when Owner flips scum. No one will do it, and I will die tonight, but y'all SHOULD do it.

im a little confused, is sonny fighting your read on owner? what are these reactions that you mention that make sonny look bad if owner is a wolf?

He wasn't fighting me, but he tried to distract the thread. Owner is outed, and scum is super more aware of that than town (and distracted town might not be aware), and so as I talked more about Owner, if you look at Sonny's post towards me, he wanted to talk about anyone but owner.

I know right now it seems insignificant, and I don't need you to believe me today, but just remember that it happened when we flip owner and I flip in the night.

interesting.. I guess that makes sense. you seem pretty confident in these things happening so I will def keep them in mind

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:34 am

Dana wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:25 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:19 am

Dana wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:13 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:10 am OoO! Fun! Sonny, you also tried to distract me with Kito. I like this!

what is it that he's trying to distract you from?

Minimally owner. I could have possibly been onto more, but the only two people I will express any sort of confident read out of are Owner (very strong read), and Sonny (much much weaker but still worth something read).

what else do you not like about owner other than her fruit claim? and vote on made (I think?)

I promise you her fruit claim is enough.

ok valid

[VOTE: owner] aubergine

also why do you think you're going to die tonight?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:29 am

Sonny wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:25 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:19 am

Dana wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:13 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:10 am OoO! Fun! Sonny, you also tried to distract me with Kito. I like this!

what is it that he's trying to distract you from?

Minimally owner. I could have possibly been onto more, but the only two people I will express any sort of confident read out of are Owner (very strong read), and Sonny (much much weaker but still worth something read).

Oh? What is your read on me?

I mean if you have already shared, I'll get there, but we're both here right now.

Up until recently? Town, but recently? well, all I'll say is that everyone should bookmark Sonny's reactions to me tonight for when Owner flips scum. No one will do it, and I will die tonight, but y'all SHOULD do it.

im a little confused, is sonny fighting your read on owner? what are these reactions that you mention that make sonny look bad if owner is a wolf?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:19 am

Dana wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:13 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:10 am OoO! Fun! Sonny, you also tried to distract me with Kito. I like this!

what is it that he's trying to distract you from?

Minimally owner. I could have possibly been onto more, but the only two people I will express any sort of confident read out of are Owner (very strong read), and Sonny (much much weaker but still worth something read).

what else do you not like about owner other than her fruit claim? and vote on made (I think?)

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:10 am OoO! Fun! Sonny, you also tried to distract me with Kito. I like this!

what is it that he's trying to distract you from?

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 1:58 am Why does it keep doing that, replying inside the quotes? I made sure I was outside the quote!!!!

one too few quote close tags im assuming. you can press preview on the bottom to take a look at your post before you post it!

Dana wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 1:28 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 1:27 am How do you unvote here again?

I think people just vote:unvote? like write unvote in the quote tags

not quote.. vote tags

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 1:27 am How do you unvote here again?

I think people just vote:unvote? like write unvote in the quote tags

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 1:25 am Might as well claim it before I go to bed

ME TARGETING HAWK IS THE REASON THERE WAS NO NIGHT KILL LAST NIGHT!

Alright good night everybody!

do you know this or are you just assuming this bc there wasn't a kill so you think it must have been her?

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 1:21 am “Oooooooo” “look at me I pointed something out and that’s likes totally AI”
Yet you can’t even come with the conclusion that Made is obvious town as that was clearly a scum motivated CFD.

why didn't nutella get saved then? do you think all the rest of the wolves were already voting made?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 1:11 am

Dana wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 1:10 am is there such a role where you get feedback by doing nothing?

what do you mean? like a compulsive blind cop or something?

I mean hawk claimed she didn't target anyone and gavial is insisting on finding out if she received feedback for that. I feel like there are a lot of types of roles I'm unfamiliar with so i'm just wondering if there's something that could make that situation possible at all

gavial pls I try so hard to follow your logic.. pls just spell it out for us I would love to know where you're going with this

is there such a role where you get feedback by doing nothing?

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 1:09 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 1:05 am

Dana wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 1:04 am how would she receive a result if she didn't target anyone?

Did i miss something? How you know?

Actually hmm I think this may indicate a Guillo/Hawk scum team.
@Guillotine
Why are you surprised they didn’t visit?

guillo/hawk scum team bc guillo missed reading a post...?

Dana wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 1:06 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 1:05 am

Dana wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 1:04 am how would she receive a result if she didn't target anyone?

Did i miss something? How you know?

she said so earlier

hawkataine wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:41 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:39 pm At least answer me this.
Did you visit anyone at all last night?

I did not.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 1:05 am

Dana wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 1:04 am how would she receive a result if she didn't target anyone?

Did i miss something? How you know?

she said so earlier

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 1:03 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:29 pm We chop between Belzy and Owner if they dont show up. Also Garden Gnome if they dont begin to contribute more, this will not be the game i lose to lurkers. No chance in hell.

No we vote Hawk.
@hawkataine
Tell me.
Did you receive any night result?

how would she receive a result if she didn't target anyone?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:35 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:32 pm @JaggedJimmyJay I think Sonny was the 4th vote on Nutella. I believe it was myself, Alison/Nanook in some order and then I asked him to vote.

Cool deal. That'd be a decent placement. Not necessarily spectacular. I don't think any other wagons had gotten much higher than 3 to that point if any (perhaps lost monkey hit 4?).

here's a copy of the poll I saved from sometime yesterday if it helps anything, i forgot to note down the time but it was probably ~12hrs before EoD

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:07 pm

it feels to me like she was trying to be productive by asking questions and getting clarification for things. if you look at her ISO most of her middle day posts are lots and lots of questions, and I also like getting answers for things so I felt like that wasn’t bad. unsure if I still feel the same though, I’m gonna read her again

I didnt ask you how you felt, i asked you what posts did you read to not want to suspect Act and townlean her. You've been vague even after giving you a second chance to out proper reads. @Dana

here are some back and forths full of lots of questions from act. like I said, at the time I liked that she asked questions to seek clarification what I feel like was a good amount early on
#403 | #430 | #494

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:12 pm

Dana wrote: I warned that the whole list would be pretty vague.. Her back and forth with JJJ and with you towards the beginning of her ISO gave me the sense that she was really trying to get context and figure things out. substantial to me is actually saying things, even if its just vibes and feelings, or at least trying to work things along and make any type of progress with solving

Are you purposely evading my questions? I asked what couples of posts were substantial to you? Point them out.

im not evading your questions on purpose there were just a lot of them and I was jumping around answering them over time, some moments I have more motivation than in others. here are some belzy posts i liked initially, asking questions and gathering info abt ppl she's unfamiliar with and bringing up/trying to learn more about the site differences
#924 | #933 | #954

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:14 pm

Dana wrote: sure, mafia could ask to not be widely townread if that's something town would do and they are trying to act like they are town, but wifom I guess. I get it but it still feels strange to me, idk. maybe we just have different styles because when I am townread I am just kinda like.. "yeah. you're right. cool, good stuff"

So you acknowledge that what i did is something town would do and yet you scum read me for doing something a townie would do? What?! Lol

you missed the second part of this where I said most of the issue I had with it was your reaction to not being townread after asking not to be townread

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 6:54 pm If you understand your reads were vague, and said again that you warned they’d be vague, then what do you make of Belzy’s response that your explanations were (paraphrasing here) good and satisfactory. Essentially she commended your reads list for the detail. You speak positively of Belzy, but I don’t understand how this matches up. Wouldn’t it have pinged you, knowing your reads were vague, that Belzy thought otherwise?

yeah I guess it was a little strange, I wasn't reading that part of the thread super closely and idk how Belzy's thought process is so it didn't ping me super hard at the time. I wouldn't say my reads were detailed, and im not sure she said that either, but I think I assumed that maybe she thinks similarly to me and was just like "ok cool some feely reads" and expressed that

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 6:33 pm I don’t know how to chunk things up neatly, so I’m going to broadly speak about this post here:

You explain your read on me and it indicates you’ve read my posts in concentration (you’re familiar with my ISO) but conclude by saying you’ll read my posts over again. This language is notoriously scum in my experience. It’s pretends to be productive. Why would you spend all that time going back through my ISO after coming off a night phase when you would have had the time to do so? Up until just now, I hadn’t posted anything new. Nothing new happened. Unless you just have a fancy for reading my posts many times over, I don’t see anyone actually doing that. So in this case, that assertion reads like fake productivity to me.

Your answer about Alison is uninformative and dismissive. You may as well have not said anything there.

Your read about Guilltine is not unique and Guilltine has SO much content this game, that this response feels uninspired.

The rest are non-committal. It’s “I like them, but I don’t, but I guess they’re okay” which has been something I’ve noticed in almost all of your posts.

I don’t believe you’re scum hunting. You’re being quite productively unproductive, from what I’m seeing in your posts.

yeah thats fair I guess, im not really that great at scum-hunting so im just trying my best to figure things out and be as helpful as I can be to those that are. I wrote the part about you yesterday before you had made some more posts that I haven't gotten caught up with yet (still need to read pages like 35-45 or so). I do like to read things many times over too though, I feel like its helpful especially after flips when new info come to light and now we have a little more context for posts than we did before. I think you have valid concerns but I dont really know how to make you feel better about them other than just saying thats normal for me, but you have no reason to believe that ig. commitment is a struggle

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 6:37 pm I mean, I guess if you didn’t really care about the answer you’d feel less inclined to ask the mods, which tells me it was a question meant for the public. It appears to me as though you wanted us to see you ask that question. That’s the point I’m making here and I’m not convinced by your response.

I did care about the answer, I was just satisfied with the answers I got so I didn't keep asking about it. I had assumed that term itself was the name of the role and not a descriptive type thing, so people clarifying that it was probably referring to a role that is usually named something else more detailed made sense to me and so I left it at that.

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 6:19 pm

Dana wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 6:07 pm

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 6:04 pm I don’t mean to drive down this tunnel...but I really think Dana is scum, y’all. I do not like the question about Nutella’s flip (feels like a forced derp), and I do not like this reiteration of the reads list. I think I’m going to trust my D1 initial instinct right now because D2 hasn’t changed my mind yet. Her reads are trying too hard. She isn’t really scum hunting, I really believe she is spending more time on her appearance than finding scum. Call me crazy, but like...my vote is going back there haha.

I was asked to answer these questions...?

Are you looking for an answer to this question or...? Lol. I didn’t say I didn’t like that you reiterated them. I said I didn’t like your reiteration.

I wonder why you came to the game thread with the role question. Why didn’t you ask in your discord channel? I figured a motive could have been to see if anyone outed themselves by knowing the answer, but you didn’t follow through with that. You didn’t persist or dig deeper for an answer. So that couldn’t have been the motive. General curiosity? Probably, but you had the entire night phase to ask questions of the game mods. Coming into the game thread and asking that question as one of your first posts into D2 has me thinking you know what that role is, consider it pretty unique, and asked the game thread as a sort of fake derp. All that aside, the general tone and timing of it don’t sit right with me. Call it vibes. To help quell my suspicion on you, can you explain your purpose for asking that question?

sure, I mean I had the question as soon as the flip happened, and tried to research the term on my own but wasn't able to find anything. I assumed the hosts posted what they wanted to post so I didn't want to bother them with asking what it meant, especially if it was a common term that others would have known so I thought it would be better to ask in the thread once morning came, in case I was the only one out of the loop. or if there were others that didn't know and some that did, then we could share our info all together which I feel like is better for town

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 6:04 pm I don’t mean to drive down this tunnel...but I really think Dana is scum, y’all. I do not like the question about Nutella’s flip (feels like a forced derp), and I do not like this reiteration of the reads list. I think I’m going to trust my D1 initial instinct right now because D2 hasn’t changed my mind yet. Her reads are trying too hard. She isn’t really scum hunting, I really believe she is spending more time on her appearance than finding scum. Call me crazy, but like...my vote is going back there haha.

I was asked to answer these questions...?

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 10:06 am @Dana

Actvscenei - suspected me which makes me instinctively want to suspect her but reading her ISO I'm not sure I can rly bring myself to do it. very slight townlean

What posts did you read to not want to suspect her and townlean her?

it feels to me like she was trying to be productive by asking questions and getting clarification for things. if you look at her ISO most of her middle day posts are lots and lots of questions, and I also like getting answers for things so I felt like that wasn’t bad. unsure if I still feel the same though, I’m gonna read her again

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 10:06 am

Alison - pushing actv so confidently as an "outed wolf" was a lil sus, but she backed off that after the fake claim (also maybe a little sis but a good explanation?). I feel like I just want to sheep her analytical brain reads but that worries me too in case I am putting too much trust. but still generally a minor townlean

If you are unsure about Alison why did you end up townleaning her anyway?

Also, do you have a habit of scum reading confident players?

because I trust her a little bit? idk if I have a habit of scum reading them, mostly of just wanting to trust them and then second guessing myself. once, I used a strategy of voting for my top town read bc I know I can get my reads all backwards and it worked so.. I try to keep that in the back of my mind

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 10:06 am

Belzy - I liked her couple posts earlier, they felt very substantial. it seemed to me like she was questioning things, bringing up concerns, and trying to move things along. generally helpful vibes

Sorry but this is also too vague, what couples of posts were substantial to you? What is in your opinion a substantial post and how does that help you?
What about her later posts?

I warned that the whole list would be pretty vague.. Her back and forth with JJJ and with you towards the beginning of her ISO gave me the sense that she was really trying to get context and figure things out. substantial to me is actually saying things, even if its just vibes and feelings, or at least trying to work things along and make any type of progress with solving

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 10:06 am

Guillotine - very unsure how I feel about him. im not sure how well I can articulate it but I am getting some vibes and im not sure how townie they are. I sensed some frustration earlier (but wasn't following super closely) which isn't really AI, i guess. but I was also confused about him asking not to be townread, unsure if that was a joke or not? idk..

Hmmmm? So you recognize i'm a townie but you are unsure of how much? What is the logic here, that im scum for asking to not be widely townread? Do you think mafia would do that?
Do you think mafia would not rejoice on getting townread and keep it like their most treasured belonging and influence town to sheep their reads, leading them to their doom?

Obvious townies get nightkilled by scum first so, i was asking to not be obvious town read. You get it now? (It was part a joke part a reaction test).

sure, mafia could ask to not be widely townread if that's something town would do and they are trying to act like they are town, but wifom I guess. I get it but it still feels strange to me, idk. maybe we just have different styles because when I am townread I am just kinda like.. "yeah. you're right. cool, good stuff"

I think mostly what threw me off about it was that you asked to not be widely townread but then seemed to get a little frustrated when you weren’t being townread later. Ive been feeling a tiny bit better about you recently, though

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 10:06 am

hawkataine - I like her posts a good amount. im here for the tone and the casualness yet still trying to clear things up, ask questions, etc. good vibes all around, so gonna give her town

Kito - first impression is pretty good vibe and tone in posts. v slight town read

Again very vague, i need to see you are not manufacturing your reads here. What posts you identified as town indicative from them?

hawk posts I initially liked: #930 | #932 | #989
though upon review im not sure there’s quite as much there as i previously thought. I feel like maybe we have similar writing styles too which might be making me a lil bit biased.. hmm. i do also like some of her later posts too though from after my reads list, like her ISO of Nutella here which I think looks kinda good for her given nutellas flip

kito posts I initially liked: #1254 | #1268 | #1274
I feel like he’s just generally kinda chill but still portrays a lil bit of confidence in his reads. I dont feel super strongly abt him or anything but enough to think he’s alright

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 10:06 am

MacDougall - I am also getting slightly different vibes from him vs the last games I've played where he was town. but idk if that means much bc I get the sense that he really just does his own thing and doesn't seem to care very much how it makes him come across. which is fine but def makes it very hard to really do anything with being able to read him.

So in your opinion, the town!Mac from other games is not present here correct? And somehow you end up null reading him anyway, what?

i mean I would say less of a null and more of a confused. like to me null feels like there’s nothing there to work with, and in this case I feel like there is something there but I just don’t know what to do with it. I do feel a different vibe from him but what im saying is im not sure how much weight that holds in regards to reading him. the last game I played with him before these past two where he was town, was a few years back and he outed his whole entire mafia team and still won anyway. so I kinda just feel like I need to leave the Mac-reading to those more experienced with him

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 10:06 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - I feel like he is doing some pretty alright hunting in his own way. I kind of put in him the same boat as mac in my mind where he kinda just does his own thing and everyone else is just kinda like... but im gonna say he's mostly okay for now

How do you null read mac but not this guy? Mac and Nook are players that are in their own world. Different worlds though. It takes several games to understand them.

i put him in the same "confused about" pile as Mac

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 10:06 am

nutella - im very tempted to sheep the ppl who know her better but I feel like there isn't really a consensus on her there so... v confused. Mac seemed to go back and forth a lil bit on her but is currently voting her so maybe the consensus is wolf. idk I am very tired and this is taking too many brain cells

Last time i checked Nutella had 6 votes on her out of 24 people, at what point do you determine there is a consensus on someone on day 1?
Do you scum read players who play with their votes?

I didnt mean thread consensus, I meant consensus from the people that could read her well. ppl can play with their votes, thats fine I guess especially on D1, but I appreciate it when they explain their moves too

Kito wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:46 pm are we supposed to know what the date mechanic is or nah

yeah im also confused by this

hawkataine wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:13 pm guess I'll go make this chart better in a quest for stars from Mac
given that nobody seems to actually want to ask me anything lol

does green mean compatible or cleared as partners?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:21 pm Assessing the Made wagon requires answering one core question first: what is Made's alignment? At face value I think his nutella vote is bussing-compatible. The only reason to doubt that is that his wagon swelled all the way to 7 votes. That might be the more important factor.

It actually reached 8 votes and a tie for like a millisecond, unless my eyes deceived me or there was a poll glitch. I didn't have the presence of mind to screen cap it before it returned to 8-7. This was within seconds of the poll closing. Someone needs to own up to that.

I didn't see the tie but I definitely agree it would be interesting to know who that was. on the one hand I feel like if made was town and Nutella's partners were bussing her, would they not want to switch to him to save her? or would that have been too obvious? the last in-thread vote for made I can see is hawk's, but I have a copy of the poll from a lil before eod where hawk is already voting made but he only has 6 votes on him

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:25 pm

Dana wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:17 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:16 pm Dana is spewed wolf by Nutella here.

https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 96#p792596

how so?

Because she came to your defense after Act and I casting suspicion on you for your nervous comment.
Seems like we actually picked up something, it was magical!

Also your readlist is very hedgy, which I need you to answer to my questions about that readlist by the way.
ISO me to find them.

yes I was working on them a little overnight, I will get them done soon but tbh I feel like you might not like my answers a whole lot lol, I think maybe I am just a hedgy person in general

I still need to catch a few pages up before eod1 but I want to look more into Alison's belief yesterday that Nutella and owner were wolf partners

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:16 pm

Dana wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:14 pm good morning! anyone know what a factional kill modifier does? I couldn't seem to find any information from searching that term

I don't figure we're meant to know. Could be someone that can make a kill untraceable or unblockable or something. Not a bad role to destroy first if so.

ah okay that makes sense. I just didn't know if that was a term that was often used just by itself like that