The Syndicate

nutella wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 10:15 pm which somewhat buffs my spf paranoia tbh

i've had spf paranoia for a bit but i feel bad acting on it since i havent read jack shit and thats kinda unfair lol

idk how she can legit think i sound stilted im comfy af
it gave me bad vibes

i guess im somewhere like

Town!
chleb
nut
vul

Probably just town tbh!
c4
sunbae

townleans but i feel weird about putting them higher for whatever reason so they get their own tier until i read the entirety of the game and sort them properly. congrats!
amy
spf

idk!
arete - kinda wanna put up one tier for ??? reasons
visor
zack
dizzy
dya

marl!
marl

Arete wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:46 pm this made me laugh

which ?might? be a good look for you, in my experience villagers are funnier than wolves

i love you arete

chloe irl wolf

---
ok im caught up and im like
SUPER no thoughts head empty
feel like nothing stuck in my brain as i was reading
and i feel
like
incredibly lost when it comes to half the things being talked about because i wasnt here to experience them, and i have no memory of half these happenings

but im here to chat if anyone wants to
will read d1 later tonight too

i've been here for 5 minutes and i've already hit the crisis stage where i feel unsure about everything

i also dont want to be that dumbass who comes into the game and shakes stuff up when things are rather solid, and give wolves the leeway they need to drag down townreads

so i'll do my due diligence and read the entirety of d1 tonight

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:46 pm chloe's tone feels a little ....stilted to me? i just get a really distinct sense of discomfort from the way that she's speaking, and i don't know if that's typical for her towngame. this is a half-developed thought but i'm speaking it into existence in hopes that it'll go somewhere

huh
are you able to expand on this?
actually curious how you can feel my tone is stilted
i'm actually rather comfy
feelin good

Arete wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 7:17 pm I don't know how to ask this question in a way that doesn't sound like I'm complaining about not being townread so please just treat it as a totally neutral question about your process

given your familiarity with my and Vul's reads on each other why does Vul's read on me seem to not be influencing your thought process at all

ok i've been sitting on this question for like 5 minutes now and cant come up with a good way to organize my thoughts but
the last thing i saw from vulgard with regard to his read on you was basically saying that you're More Townie Than Not, yet still in scumrange
that didnt read as confident enough to put much stock in
i could very well have missed somewhere where he gave a legacy Arete Is Always Town !!! post, but just from memory i dont remember him being as sold on you as you are on him

this part is also super rude and idk how to word it and not be rude but aaaaaa
but like
vul
hasnt played fm in.. what 6 months?
and i.. dont know how much i trust his ability to read you after such a long hiatus? :wowee:
is this my lizard brain speaking and saying my read on you outweighs vul's? maybe
is that selfish and gross? yeah lol

i also dont want to treat yours and vul's reads on eachother like gospel because its gross and icky and im my own woman who is trying to become less reliant on meta
but yeah they do strengthen my reads on you guys - kinda like hally's v-read on nut

i will admit that your recent posts do have great aroot tone and feel like they're Written By A Villager TM
im like
super see-saw on you - but coming around
help

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 7:56 pm "c4 getting tilted at people agreeing with him completely but not acknowledging his existence"

Spoiler: show

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:44 pm it feels to me like KZA's attempts to get into the game involved them accidentally TMI'ing a bunch of people as villagers. they correctly called gavial a villager, they correctly called hally a villager, they correctly called me a villager, and i'm tempted to believe that the other townreads they dropped are ~more likely to be town than not. i don't know if kza, who knew that they would die before long, would bother popping into the thread to defend alison if alison was partnered w/them. i also think their treatment of nutella points even more to nutella being town.

Wowee
My entire towncore
Is actually town
Who'dda thought

Alison wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 7:30 pm The people who are most likely mafia here are the people who have been hammering the "Gavial always D1, and then Alison if he flips town for TMI" because that reeks of lining up misexes to me. Which means Amy and maybe dya.

Smh
My credit

outed wolf wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 7:52 pm amy/dya/x

thoughts?

FUCK YEAH I GOT THOUGHTS
I PUT THOSE THOUGHTS
RIGHT
UP
FUCKIN
THERE

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:09 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:04 pm can someone who scumreads amy break it down for me? what's her scummiest post? what's the most suspicious thing about her? it seems the consensus is shifting a little bit wrt to how she's being perceived, and i'm a little confused about where that's coming from

I
...
I had a whole fuckin
...
And then that other post where I
...
smh

these are villagery

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:11 pm c4's righteous indignation at not having his thoughts properly considered is villagery

yes

also c4 has been playing nothing like CoV
i dont get any of the same vibes i did from him in that game
think its a good look

Arete wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:19 pm I think Alison being like 'yes I'm OMGUSing but my OMGUSING is RIGHT so you should LISTEN to me' is more likely to come from a villager who's frustrated about not being listened to than from a wolf who's trying to look good

like I feel like a wolf in her position would be more focused on trying to not look like she's OMGUSing/defend the fact that she's doing it, since OMGUS is usually perceived as wolfy, rather than defending the reads she's making via OMGUS

+1

nutella wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:22 pm also @Chloe needs to post more. both so that she and you can give more reads on each other, and bc i'd liiiike to think i can read her decently too, and i have mixed feelings about her slot

aa sorry ive been busy am here now sorr

splitting post here its getting long gimme sec to keep catching up

oh i never voted

[VOTE: Marluxion] aubergine
p sure this is how i do this

sunbae your response is acknowledged and i'll read your iso in just a bit, thank you!

why is literally nobody engaging with me on my marl read

this is legit one of the things i said was weird about his slot
and its still happening!!!

am i crazy?

ive gotta go for a bit but like
whatze heck

okay so my lizard brain has been saying 'at least 1 wolf was under fire when the gavial wagon started up' but i distinctly remember amy *not* voting there for a while, and wanting to wait to see more from seth before plopping a vote
which i.. think is a better look than not?
her initial vote didnt feel very 'lets just go for the easy af LHF' but i got the feeling she believed what she was reppin' and also trying to give him a chance to step it up, rather than stomp on him

also i dont think amy complaining about overnight wallposts is AI at all tbh

nutella wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:15 pm itsthetellitsthetellitsthetell

chloe plsssss

i have literally no clue what this tell is ngl

also i subbed into a scummy af slot in my last game too lmao
cant catch a break

Arete wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:11 pm definitely did not skim to this part of Chloe's readlist and skip everything else

my focus on Vul is because he's the player I feel like I have the best grasp on this game? like, I'm in a game full of players who are mostly better than me, I think in most cases if I try to read SPF or Amy or Visor or whoever I'm just going to come out with a townread no matter what their alignment is, whereas Vul I can actually read him better than most people here, so I'm trying to mostly focus on doing that really well and commenting on other people when I happen to have thoughts.

w.r.t. Gavial I didn't try to shift reads elsewhere for a couple reasons

- I wasn't super confident in the read, I had him as probably villagery but he was playing a bit out of meta and I thought I might just be dumb and failing to see something that everyone else was seeing
- he's Seth so I didn't really care if he got misexe'd, this is a kind of sucky thing to think but it was in fact a consideration
- I was scared that if he was scum and I harddefended him people would think we were partnered

i wanna be clear that i dont think you're Wolfy As Shit
i just dont qutie understand the townreads on you atp so i'd appreciate some explainations - and i'd like to be able to find you myself as well

i think your hard focus on vul got to a point where it seemed almost obsessive and.. unnecessary, but it's slightly unfair of me to read you on this metric because i do the same thing with kat sometimes lol
i'd appreciate a lot more of your thoughts outside of vul if you dont mind. i think my boy is just straight up town so idc about your read anymore ily

i think seth was the proper d1 elim considering there was no real organization elsewhere except on KZA, but i wish i saw a bit more action alongside your words. these are fair points though so i'm lowerin in confidence on this aspect of my read.
(also the last part is villagery dont mind me)

thanks tree

nutella wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:01 pm ok i wrote this overnight basically assuming kza would die and flip red so

if this were spec chat my n1 guess would have been kza/tangchloe/bronana/alison glgl

tangy's placement of kza in her readlist was something i noted in my head at the time, and at eod when she was pushing back a little against the wolfreads there i felt an uneasiness. in general i wasn't totally sold by the angles at which she engaged/didn't engage the thread. hopefully arete and i should be able to get a decent read on chloe pretty quickly

zack just kinda feels like the blendy wolf and i shared the concerns dizzy had with him at eod -- while he was arguing for a wolfread of kza in that exchange, it was in a way i can see as w/w (especially when there was already basically a stated plan to vig kza)

alison.... yeah i rethought this a bit. i was starting to reconsider dya by eod, and i know their tunnels like this can often just be on the money. with gav flipping v, i think it is conceivable after all that alison had tmi on him, and my counterargument to that about her whiteknighting an easy mischop doesn't really hold up since she completely ghosted eod, and had softly waved her hand about how she could have been wrong about gav earlier -- basically she didn't push her view either way and instead sat back and let the elim happen.



@ results

sweet, nice job hally but sad to see you go

aaaaaaaaa

pretty sure tangchloe is town tbh - which is funny because i had this slot as a slight scumlean as i was following along, for sidelining
i dont even know how tang treated kza lolol

zack im no thoughts head empty but i've had a dumbass read of '1+ wolf in zack/visor' for no reason other than vibes which isnt a healthy mindset

alison i've seen legit nothing i'd consider AI from her so idk woohoo

bit busy today ao just a heads up
also i dont know how to post less than 150 times so this'll be a learning process. bear with me

@Vulgard u n me, boo
we're a 3-way masonry with nut
ily

also why the friiiiiiiiiiiiick are people townreading both arete and marl lollllllllllllll
wassup

ahahahah i totally didnt write something in my wall about how i thought kza was town for being too consensus of a vig shot thend elete it when i saw the flip nope nope

Hi frens!

50 extra posts is the best timeline ngl

I haven't had a ton of time to read through the game overNight because I've been feeling like shit from dose 2, but I was skimming along for a bit beforehand.

Little thought-dump:

- I liked the Sunbae interaction with spf, especially on the side of Sunbae. I actually found myself in agreement with their analysis of her. When she posted the 'how to find me as town' self-case it reads as premature and.. off? Sunbae imemdiately hopping into it and spotting inconsistencies was a big feelsgoodman. Could see the cogs turning and their backtrack didnt feel plastic

- Vulgard is almost certainly town. His thoughts have been incredibly transparent to the point where I don't quite see it as fakeable anymore - especially considering the fact that hes coming off of a huge break from FM (also I vibed with a lot of his thoughts. Poggers). Arete's read also strengthens mine. It's TMI as either town or mafia :wowee:

- Speaking of Aroot, they're weird. Like.. really weird. I cannot for the life of me figure them out, but they're nowhere outside of their wolfrange. I think their HARD focus on Vul is getting to the point where it feels like they're using it as an easy out from providing in-depth thoughts on other matters - and its something very easy for them to latch onto, and super unnecessary. Like.. Vul is pretty much consensus town you dont need to explain 50 times how you s o u l r e a d him. It's weird. Also they brought up quite a few times that Gavial is potentially town, but I didn't see a huge effort to shift votes elsewhere. I also disliked how they treated my slot (Tangrowth) after her opener - and I super vibed with nut's thought process there. I would not be surprised in the slightest if Arete is a wolf. Hope I can sort them today

- nut is villabro. I don't really feel like I need to explain this one and it would be a waste of my time but yeah shes v congrats nutto we're masons

- Hally is offputting but I want to say they're town? Earlier on when I was following the game I thought they were wolfy as fuck, but i began to turn around on them towards the end of the day. They feel incredibly low energy, but I don't really get the feeling that they care how they're percieved. I guess I should do an ISO and see how they match up to the alien shapreshifter thing but I'm not fully feeling it rn (now im remembering that they had a few 'fair enough'-esque posts and my brain is mrrring aaa)

- MARL. What the fuck is up with Marl??? I don't smell the spice. I'm going solely off of memory because I can't be assed to ISO the guy right now but I remember not seeing.. anything memorable from him. Which is nagl! Wheres the ego and confidence? Wheres the villa-marl FIRE? Want more. Need more. Gimme more. This can absolutely be a wolf. He's just sidelining and doing a whole lot of nothing. Why isn't he receiving more attention. Is he a wolf going UTR or are wolves just accepting that hes going to be v-read no matter what? I'm leaning the former because.. what the hell has he done to be v-read lol? He feels like a deflated balloon

- Idfk whats up with Dizzy lol. I wanna call them V just for their odd self-sacrifice, as well as the fact that they were actively hard-shielding Gavial when he was the eeeeeeeasiest ML in the history of MLs (ftr this isnt me saying i woulda shielded gav - i kinda scumread him as i was reading earlier so i probably woulda contributed to the dunk-fest too lololol)

- my brain is empty when it comes to the rest of the playerlist. maybe i'll remember shit later

- wait yeah amy is cool shes a v-lean just off of tone alone

- i think a wolf or 2 mighta been getting some flak during the time when the gavial wagon started up, but idr who started it or why so this is baseless - just vibes

- dont think dya/alison are w/w but its for absoltutely stuuupid reasons. i was following along in the Reflections from the Mountaintop mountainous game (i think thats the game?) and dya spent their time in thread hard-defending their partner, and their treatment of alison this game feels the opposite. this is dumb! i know! but brain is niarbing!!! (no thoughts on dya/alison outside of this, that i can remember)

- ok now im done. i swear i'll figure out how to format shit eventually