The Syndicate

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 1:40 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 1:37 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 1:32 am I’m fairly sure Tangy tried to kill mafia and just kept missing. Tragic.
haha and then tsp subs in and goes immediately after cleared town?
i'm just trying to save your life

Fitting in a game of love.

I’m fairly sure Tangy tried to kill mafia and just kept missing. Tragic.

I see. I think it’s fun. I appreciate a little fun in this exhausting effort.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 1:20 am This is bizarre.

It’s an outed poisoner. Why bizarre?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 1:14 am i was also semi serious with my jay going for post count record read but yeah it's an act of suicide to use that ability on a mafioso and /gavial/

I’ll probably never have the mafia-aligned record. Half of my strategy as mafia is subtle suppression of thread energy, so games don’t engage enough for it. I did drop 950 in the multiball 2019 GOC. I’m satisfied.

Gavial and/or I die on Night 2 depending on whether we cooperate in BTSC.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 1:04 am I have better antispew than that. Way better.

Who cares what’s better. Just interpret the exchange.

Let’s activate @Garden Gnome. I don’t even care who knows!

Sonny wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:32 am
Allcrab wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:25 am
Sonny wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:19 am
Allcrab wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:13 am
Sonny wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:54 am
Allcrab wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:07 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:06 pm bad bunny has extremely high wolf equity in light of nutella's flip.
I am very confidant bunny is a villager if she's a wolf she votes made 100% I'm sure of it.
Err, is this TMI?
I'll take dumbest posts I've ever read for 100 alex.
It implied you knew Made's alignment.

And yes, I've seen you addressed this now.
I've seen people say this twice now and not for nothing even if wagons were w/w I still think bunny's vote makes them village because I would assume wolves would have a preference of who goes down between made/nutella.
That's probably fair.

Best reason I’ve got to call Allcrab town. ^

I do have other reasons too. This one speaks to me.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 12:58 am I think LoMo and Allcrab are actually mafia together tbh. But I probably get yelled at for having this opinion.

I won’t yell at you even if I have many reasons to disagree.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 12:57 am which I'm not

I had to post like this as a serial killer in an illegal claiming game once to get the kingmaker town to let me win.

Good times.

lol

TangySimpsonPrime

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 12:54 am [/img]

Tragic code

@MacDougall you might be town how about a Tony chop

I’ve had a growing suspicion since the mason claims really.

Just from a design perspective I think confirmed masons increase the probability of cross-alignment lovers.

To be clear I am not super 100% on Gnome. I just think she’s POE at least on Mac’s level.

Chop Tony.

Btw Tone Zone I recognize you replaced into this spot so you good m8

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 12:43 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 12:41 am I actually think Tony is the poisoner and does have evidence against Gnome (that is, why the hell did my poison fail?).
I mean ok, let's exe Tony and then look at his ISO for possible spew on Gnome if he's poisoner (very likely).

Agreed.

Every Gnome town read in this thread is bad.

I actually think Tony is the poisoner and does have evidence against Gnome (that is, why the hell did my poison fail?).

I think Tony should be today's chop.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 12:37 am as a hypothetical, if you were to think I were the poisoner I think there would be decent reason to think that I have mechanical information which might incriminate GG but that's on you

Gnome is one of my top suspects.

I would appreciate if folks could please provide their reactions to Tony's role claim.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 6:33 pm Garden Gnome surviving is wifom at this point. I don't think Gnome is the sort of person who could fool Jay of their alignment in a night chat so I am just gonna sheep his read of her and ignore the mech.

For me the mafia is very likely just Martin. I think the poisoner is probably Alison and she has a fake poison.

Mac this is the only thing you've said about Gnome on Day 6 other than wondering aloud if she and I could be mafia teammates or asking blank questions about her.

It isn't clear precisely why you voted her or where your head is at.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 12:28 am btw i still think it's gnome

To be clear you think Gnome is the poisoner?

Ironically I could see the mafia shooting Tony because they think he's the poisoner.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 12:31 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 12:30 am Tony is the poisoner. The kill immunity portion of that claim can even be true. That's very typical of 3rd parties.

Also seems dubious that this is the role that needs to be hidden forever.
shrug i thought I could draw a kill

by being the only person in the game without a claim in a replacement slot surrounded by thousand posters, confirmed town, and various other goodies

Tony is the poisoner. The kill immunity portion of that claim can even be true. That's very typical of 3rd parties.

Also seems dubious that this is the role that needs to be hidden forever.

Owner on lost monkey

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Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 12:47 am
Sonny wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 12:43 am
Omg! It's been so long Owner!! Hai.
It's a Sonny!!!! I was totes excited to see that you were signed up to play. Is lomo here yet? Also, Kito too...would be great to see his thoughts

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 12:45 am not sure, how I feel about all the lomo votes...hmm...I'm not caught up. But it seems like I keep seeing PerC wagons as if we are unwelcomed on someone's home turf...adk

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 1:16 am
Alison wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 1:12 am
Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 12:45 am not sure, how I feel about all the lomo votes...hmm...I'm not caught up. But it seems like I keep seeing PerC wagons as if we are unwelcomed on someone's home turf...adk
I really hate this AtE.

[VOTE: Owner] aubergine
It's not AtE. It's I see 4 votes on lomo that look steady or have been there for a period of time. Generally like 4 or 5 votes on someone is like there is probably scum in that wagon. Or it could mean like a cop check or something, but generally day 1 a wagon that size and potentially unmoving is kind of meh for me.

So from that point of view, I think he might be town, but I have yet to read his posts, so I don't know yet.

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 1:52 am
Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 1:30 am
What do you think about LoMo? He's got a rep of being LHF at mafia cafe, do you think that is being carried over to this site? Or do you still think it is a biased syndicate reason?
Cause... i dont think the syndicate would be hosting a cross over mafia game event with PerC if they didnt welcome foreigners. Dont you think?
Back in the day, lomo was who I would sometimes aspire to be in terms of town players. He had these incredible reads and scum fear killed him regularly at some point. But his play nowadays isn't quite what I remember of it. I'll have to read his posts. I don't know. Just coming into this site, I see the vote count more frequently than I usually see a vote count on PerC/MafiaCafe. So I'm calling it out. I'm like hey I don't know how long wagons have been there, but anything above 3 votes generally makes me suspicious of the wagon itself.

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 1:43 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 5:49 am The way nutella pushes Owner is very bad. nutella has a stubbornness and conviction when she is town that is not present in her push of Owner. I believe she wants the thread to see her pushing Owner but without actually lending bite to the push. Furthermore when she came under heavy fire she immediately amplified the theatricality of her Owner push ("say something game related or die"). But when an alternative push that isn't Owner comes up (Lost Monkey) she jumps straight onto it, while also winking and nodding at the suggestion that LoMo has TMI'd Owner to be town.

I think they are very compatible as buddies. You can call this preflip association if you want, but both of them have been individually scummy and nutella's progression on Owner doesn't make sense.
I think some people push on me because a lot of our thoughts don't line up or they have a hard time seeing what I'm saying. I must have missed the part about that to lomo.

LoMo talking about my play I feel he would do as either alignment. Or I feel like a lot of us from PerC will talk about each other it isn't something that one would necessarily use for just one alignment. I don't know. I feel LoMo talking about it either NAI or more potentially a town lean. I'm still really behind. I have read the first 6 pages out of 38. And I have read some of the conversations around when I have been posting in the thread, everything else I have not really read or had time to read.

Not a lot here, and most of it is meh. The most interesting material comes from Owner's response to Alison's accusation of appealing to emotion. That Owner pooh-poohed the lost monkey wagon of Day 1 before she even knew anything about monkey's posts might be a sign of TMI (in monkey's favor).

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 12:22 am I guess one moustache the question, at this stage of the game when all signs point somewhere doesn't that indicate that there is a reason for that? I believe that if I was on this mafia team I would have made a different choice about 12 times.

Usually the reason is that it's correct.

Most of my recent analysis hasn't even featured Mac posts or Mac decisions. Perhaps you're a victim of circumstance, but sometimes mafia just are.

I keep asking you to talk about Gnome and you flip me the bird, so you're going to die.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 12:21 am I think she's a lovely person.

I accept your concession.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 12:16 am Look out shes arson!

I am seriously running out of mafia here. Every analysis I do points to you or Gnome. What do you think of Gnome?

Garden Gnome wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 12:12 am In order from towniest to scummiest:
Allcrab
lost monkey
Alison
Mac

Thanks beardyboo. Could you explain what gets you to this order just briefly? Maybe a few words or a sentence for each name?

Sonnycrush on Martin

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Sonny wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 12:55 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 12:48 am
Sonny wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 12:46 am
Alison wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 10:20 pm Martin is lock town never rescind.
Why?
Alison reps a godread on Martin so just sheep it.
Err, I mean good to know, would still like to see if for myself if it's something she can articulate.

Sonny wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 9:17 pm Scha-weet!

Read Nutella's interactions overnight and this is what I take from it (well all but the last page where she was just open wolfing imo). Haven't caught up on today yet so it's unevolved.

[SNIP]

MartinGG99: Calls Martin town because "I guess sheeping Alison", says the same thing again later, low effort here - dunno

Sonny wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:58 am I'd answer but I have no idea, apparently @Alison is the Martin-whisperer and the one to ask.

orangecrush wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:07 pm
Actvscenei wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 7:58 pm
orangecrush wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 7:51 pm I'm kind of flipping back and forth between current day and reading back

My thoughts on the healer thing is that I don't see any reason we can't have multiple healers when we now know that there have been multiple poisons, that obviously doesn't mean anything for the alignment of each one so that's an important thing to remember

The one thing that sticks out is 1-shot and 2-shot claims. I have no real reason for thinking this but I think they would both be 1 or both be 2 OR are different Alignments if both real. It just seems kinda random to give town a 1 shot and a 2 shot of the same role instead of just two 1 shots or a 3 shot. Maybe it's my ocd lol

Anyway I'm more concern with Gnome and Mac at the current times
Did you see my post to Hawk? I asked her some questions and brought up some things that don’t make sense to me. Can you make sense of my concerns?
I think they think they wasted a shot because Alison was already healed by Martin so they both healed the same person which would mean one shot was wasted.

But then instead of saying that it kind of looks like they think they wasted a shot because they were roleblocked but I don't think that would affect a day action lol

So it's all a bit confusiong and doesn't really make sense as an entire post

I do agree a shot was wasted though if both targeted Alison

orangecrush wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 5:25 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 5:02 pm @orangecrush since you're here, would you mind listing out some townreads/scumreads you have as of where you're at right now? Explanations are welcome but not necessary. It will just help give us some content to read you off of.
im town reading Act, Dana, Guil, Tangrowth

town lean for Jay and Martin and Sloonei

scum reading Gnome and Mac

scum lean on Hawk

can elaborate on any you wish just ask

orangecrush wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 11:33 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 10:45 pm @orangecrush I am currently leaning towards using my shot on you. You are not allowed to say that you want me to do this. If you are town, shooting you ensures a town death. Please give me a better name to pick than yours.
Sorry, I just think there is good sense to it, especially as I don't want people to waste time on me, also I understand many people here haven't played with me and will find me hard to clear as town on play

If you need a better name I'd just point you toward my reads so far

Gnome or Mac or maybe Martin as if Martin can be confirmed town healer it would help us with Alisom also

Sonny's treatment of Martin mirrors nutella's. Martin only exists in conjunction with Alison. The same goes for orangecrush with the exception of a single independent town read on Martin. That one post could be called the most questionable for Martin, since he's the only viable option among OC's town reads that I think can still be mafia. If Martin is town then OC's town list of seven had zero teammates in it. Could be, but would be unsusual.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 12:07 am its just funny to me

The price one pays for already having dropped 1k as mafia once.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 12:04 am lol at me thousand posting and being top of the POE.

Is this supposed to be dubious or surprising?

This is now the most posts I have ever made in a Mafia game after 10 years of play. I surpass my previous personal record in... The Syndicate / RYM crossover game.

I like these.

Owner never mentioned Martin at all.

nutella on Martin

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That's it. I have no evidence that nutella is aware of Martin's existence if not for Alison requesting sheeping.

Mafia remains among [Mac, Gnome, Alison]

Unless someone wants to show me a good case against lost monkey, and I would listen to that -- there's nowhere else for mafia to be.*

*As I type this I remember Martin exists, so I will check him out too.

Sonnycrush on Allcrab

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Nothing from orangecrush. The first exchange in there looks like an interaction of opposed players.

Allcrab is town. He doesn't fit well as mafia and is near-cleared from poisoner.

Owner on Allcrab

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Not much here either. If the mafia team forgot Allcrab exists that should be a positive for him. The last post in the spoiler is one of the most overtly suspicious that Owner produced in this game, so it's another decent thing that Allcrab brought it into the world with his question.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 4:58 pm why allcrab tho

This is literally the only time nutella mentioned Allcrab in her posts until after her elimination was locked.

Who thinks TangyStarkPrime is NOT the poisoner?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 2:02 am
Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 2:01 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 1:56 am
Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 1:54 am
Sonny wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 1:41 am Oooh, Nook isn't self voting anymore.

Owner, please just catch up. All this talk about not being caught up is shady.

I'm like not caught up most games. I don't get why people keep calling it that way when it happens like every game. It's like no one remembers this...though we haven't really played together lately so I guess that's it.

smh
got anything to say about nutellagate?
What's a nutellagate? Is is a gate made of nutella? I feel that's too on the nose to be it. They are there. I don't recall their playstyle. I feel like I should know more about their music tastes from all the walrus' we've been in together.

They are an elephant in this room, but I don't feel like they are the loudest or most memorable one here.

This is the interaction I said I'd discuss separately.

There was a brief exchange between mafia Sonny and mafia Owner in which neither of them said anything of note. Mac butted in to poke Owner about mafia nutella"gate". Owner's response is both a joke and a non-answer. This was during Day 1, so nutella was still alive.

nutella didn't give a single crap about Mac's accusations. This suggests Owner didn't either. Why do they gotta be so bizarre and confuse JJJ 5 cycles later? Someone please interpret.

[VOTE: TonyStarkPrime] aubergine

Owner on Mac

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Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 12:53 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 12:48 am
Hi. How's wolf chat?
That's a good question. Can you ask the wolves for me? I need to take more notes. I miss QTs; they were a lot simpler. I get too distracted in Discord with all the emoji options. Plus, Idk if Cindy Kate will like my gif game. But they are still probably going to get some of it.

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 1:29 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 1:16 am
Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 1:14 am It was years ago, but some people know of it. I just assumed I must have told you about it or brought it up in another game.
Nope. On the rare occasion I encounter that (that is, Glorfindel) I prefer to respect a player's wishes anyway.

How about this instead: any initial impressions?
Tangy is talkative. That's normal for her from what I remember.

Nutella's first post pinged me a little...not sure if I have really heard upgaymers? in a sentence before..it could be nai, it's just a bit out there for me which...on this first date I expect there is more not less of it to come (almost spelled that wrong) I think I need to get out more

Mac could be town if I remember his meta right. If memory serves, he's like more gunho as town...idk, I think that's right

You (JJJ) could be anything..light town for now

I need to read more posts though from the others.

I need to see more of Sonny's posts.

My vote on Sloonei is an old PerC tell where when scum don't know what to say on day 1 they make a questionnaire. I think the context of it was how it was determined whether it was scummy or nai, but it has been awhile.

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 2:01 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 1:56 am
Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 1:54 am
Sonny wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 1:41 am Oooh, Nook isn't self voting anymore.

Owner, please just catch up. All this talk about not being caught up is shady.

I'm like not caught up most games. I don't get why people keep calling it that way when it happens like every game. It's like no one remembers this...though we haven't really played together lately so I guess that's it.

smh
got anything to say about nutellagate?
What's a nutellagate? Is is a gate made of nutella? I feel that's too on the nose to be it. They are there. I don't recall their playstyle. I feel like I should know more about their music tastes from all the walrus' we've been in together.

They are an elephant in this room, but I don't feel like they are the loudest or most memorable one here.

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 12:18 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 12:12 am let me be the first to say that I believe owner lol

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 12:30 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 12:20 am @Owner of a Lonely Heart so you described yourself as a fruit vendor before, are you described as a fruit vendor or something else?
I'm not sure if I like this fishing. Someone was talking about it looked like the opening implied that role claiming was a bad thing. In case by chance I survive, I would like to not outright claim it all to prevent something like soup kill.

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 11:57 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 4:11 am
Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:02 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:29 am @Owner of a Lonely Heart you're here!

Did you target JJJ?
I sent a fruit. It doesn't do much. The person I sent it to hasn't brought it up yet.

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:05 am I guess if it was a more important role I would be worried if it didn't go through, but if they didn't get it, it wasn't super important. It would just make the claim more believable.

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 12:00 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:23 am @Owner of a Lonely Heart whom did you target with your fruit of love?
I gave JJJ and Gavial a passion fruit. I can target 2 people each night. I have 3 different 1 shot fruits: passion fruit, banana and pomegranate. I don't know what any of them do, aside from a little description. The passion fruit was lucky. I thought to myself if anyone was to get lucky it had to be JJJ, but then I wasn't incredibly sure who I wanted him to be lucky with. I figured I needed to probably pick someone from Cindy Kate. Yes, this is suppose to be a date between the 2 sites, but I guess I was thinking if this is more like a chat of sorts I want there to be lots of progress made, not to say there hasn't been. I wanted someone who could maybe keep up if it was that sort of thing.

The banana is squishy, and the pomegranate is problematic.

I really assumed that the fruit would have been mentioned. Maybe that's not how it works? I should maybe ask more questions.
Is this not just outing
It felt like seanzie was trying to trap me. I don't like being boxed into what someone wants me to do. I would rather give myself time to think things through.

Alison wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 5:04 am
Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 12:00 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:23 am @Owner of a Lonely Heart whom did you target with your fruit of love?
I gave JJJ and Gavial a passion fruit. I can target 2 people each night. I have 3 different 1 shot fruits: passion fruit, banana and pomegranate. I don't know what any of them do, aside from a little description. The passion fruit was lucky. I thought to myself if anyone was to get lucky it had to be JJJ, but then I wasn't incredibly sure who I wanted him to be lucky with. I figured I needed to probably pick someone from Cindy Kate. Yes, this is suppose to be a date between the 2 sites, but I guess I was thinking if this is more like a chat of sorts I want there to be lots of progress made, not to say there hasn't been. I wanted someone who could maybe keep up if it was that sort of thing.

The banana is squishy, and the pomegranate is problematic.

I really assumed that the fruit would have been mentioned. Maybe that's not how it works? I should maybe ask more questions.
Refer to the description in pink. Does it make sense to have that thought process, and arrive at Gavial as your final conclusion?

Alison wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 5:06 am Like JJJ and Gavial have already shown on D1 that their thought processes don't necessarily mesh. If your goal was to maximize progress made with someone who can keep up with him, wouldn't Sloonei be the obvious choice? Or Mac, or myself?

Also, what does "I guess I was thinking if this is more like a chat of sorts" mean?? All Owner knew at the time they made the call to send the fruits was that the passion fruit was "lucky". They would have no information that it would give those two a chat, that's something that we only inferred once we realized the passion fruit sent them on a date together.

The more I look at that claim post the more I feel like it's actually a scumslip.

Because of our clashing, I wasn't going to give it to you. Mac and Sloonei, I debated about, but I went with Gavial as I wanted someone who was likely to be alive the next day.

Ah, I guess I do have to say it then. My role is called Cupid. So seeing Cupid + passion fruit = I thought sex, but then I thought in terms of mafia roles, I thought like a mason or neighborizer chat that's protected or something, 'cause lucky. I assume pomegranate is like lovers chat, so I'm not entirely sure if I really want to use that one. Banana sounds like a lesser of passion fruit. Or maybe it is unprotected, but I don't know. If there is a soup kill in the game, I would be fine with going out that way. I mean I don't want to go, but at the same time, I don't have all the time needed to really be full on active this game. I pose as a distraction, but if we could prevent a mislynch that would be kind of cool.

But I don't necessarily expect everyone see it that way.

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 12:26 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 2:26 am @Owner of a Lonely Heart what made you make made when you could have made nutella?
At that point, I was treating the upgaymers as similar to Sloonei saying the word spicy, as it being a cultural thing. I didn't have any reason to push them. Nutella had talked more than made I think. Nutella had presence and Made didn't, so made was also kind of just in POE.

Almost none of this makes me feel anything at all. I will talk about one post separately.

What is accomplished by "clearing" Mac? Perhaps it eliminates him as poisoner. Does it have any bearing on mafia/town?

If Tony doesn't claim before I go to sleep I might endorse chopping him today and leaving a cycle to sort Mac, Alison, and the rest.

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