The Syndicate

we CFDed sloonei for some reason and I was trying to get you guys to stop doing it because flash wagons are anti town but my internet connection kept dropping so the post wouldn't send, and EOD hit and he flipped 3P poisoner backup

I had a dream about this game

I just read Martin's posts and feel like he's town

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 2:56 am @Alison what does a mafia-aligned Martin look like, and how does this version of Martin differ from that?

no clue tbh

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 1:58 am @Alison where do you think you look first for mafia members if both aren't covered by Made and Mac?

Allcrab. Martin if things get really dire. Everyone else is mech cleared: the POE is really small.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 2:00 am Also Alison it'd be cool to know how you feel about the prospects of a poisoner Martin. You may have said something already.

I've been marinating it in my mind. A poisoner Martin would certainly be able to get a townread from me easier than a scum Martin would. I'm not sure why he would claim poison healer really early and then not poison the claimant. Martin is a poisoner candidate, but not my top one.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 1:48 am Eh I guess I see what you mean, they were watching for the poisoner and not the mafia carrying the nightkill

I actually think this points to poisoner more than mafia though. Allcrab in general is a potential poisoner candidate and the allcaps emphasis on how important it is to catch the poisoner seems like a big "look, I hate the poisoner, it's not me" performance more than anything.

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 1:48 am why do you think Made is mafia

His posting has been bad and everyone else is townie.

Eh I guess I see what you mean, they were watching for the poisoner and not the mafia carrying the nightkill

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 1:42 am

Allcrab wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:14 pm Nobody targeted mac last night.

Figured poisoner MO was to go after people on the fringe of the PoE which was kinda right they were a bit more direct than I expected and I guessed wrong, sorry.

And yeah I am trying to get poisoner identity over wolves cuz that's gonna be WAAAAAAAYYYYYYYY harder to get if we gotta do it the old fashioned way.

I wanna vote martin today but out of respect for Alison's read I'll try made first.

@Alison this is a mafia post. What do you think

I don't see it. I think Made has very very high scum equity at this point so consciously abandoning a Martin push and going on Made is a good look, since I think Martin is town.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 1:42 am

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 1:35 am N1 Mac
N2 Sloonei
N3 Holster
N4 Jay

I think scumreading me for townreading Sonny and nutella is ridiculous since that very day I buried nutella and then pushed incredibly hard for the Sonny slot to be shot a few days later. I have in fact buried every single one of the mafia members that have died. I think my Dana read was pretty well justified for an early read and it was correct so just because you can't get there on her being town based on 4 posts doesn't mean I have the same limitation.

Why did you holster?

Because I overslept the deadline.

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 1:38 am it wouldn't be that hard lol

It would be pretty hard.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 1:37 am Alison do you feel any particular way about Mac's posts since you last declared he and Made essentially outed?

It seems to be the usual Mac stuff he does every game. It has not altered my read on him significantly.

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 1:36 am

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 1:35 am N1 Mac
N2 Sloonei
N3 Holster
N4 Jay

I think scumreading me for townreading Sonny and nutella is ridiculous since that very day I buried nutella and then pushed incredibly hard for the Sonny slot to be shot a few days later. I have in fact buried every single one of the mafia members that have died. I think my Dana read was pretty well justified for an early read and it was correct so just because you can't get there on her being town based on 4 posts doesn't mean I have the same limitation.

tbh I don't care about anyone bussing or voting any mafia at all and also I'm not gonna read more so dab.

Okay good luck getting the thread to exe me then.

N1 Mac
N2 Sloonei
N3 Holster
N4 Jay

I think scumreading me for townreading Sonny and nutella is ridiculous since that very day I buried nutella and then pushed incredibly hard for the Sonny slot to be shot a few days later. I have in fact buried every single one of the mafia members that have died. I think my Dana read was pretty well justified for an early read and it was correct so just because you can't get there on her being town based on 4 posts doesn't mean I have the same limitation.

I am handling laundry and supper so I'll be around sporadically if people need answers for things

sup

Well we're gonna lose to anti claim i guess.

My honest opinion is that Guillo is really unpleasant to play with.

I think Mac/Made is pretty much outed at this point.

The poisoner is probably Allcrab or something.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:38 pm I have another pair.

Jay and Sloonei.

Refresh me on how nanook has good interactions with nutella beyond bussing her.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:28 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:28 pm Guillo has claimed those 4 names are not his mason buddy.

If they aren't, then the only person left who can be his mason buddy is nanook. Nanook's ISO is strongly, strongly suggestive that he is masons with guillo - go look at it yourself, search guillo in his iso and see how obvious it is.

I don't think nook is mafia so I don't think they're mafia buddies faking masons with each other. It feels legit.

then who the fuck is the poisoner if it's not nanook lol

Who is the mafia team if you're town?

Guillo has claimed those 4 names are not his mason buddy.

If they aren't, then the only person left who can be his mason buddy is nanook. Nanook's ISO is strongly, strongly suggestive that he is masons with guillo - go look at it yourself, search guillo in his iso and see how obvious it is.

I don't think nook is mafia so I don't think they're mafia buddies faking masons with each other. It feels legit.

Allcrab wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:21 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:08 pm @Allcrab remind me what your targets are?

n1 was jay
n2 was tangrowth
n3 was you
n4 was mac

I know your result on Jay and you whiffed on Mac, what was the result on Tang and me?

Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:06 pm @JaggedJimmyJay If nutella and Owner are both mafia then Made is a save.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 10:36 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:06 pm @JaggedJimmyJay If nutella and Owner are both mafia then Made is a save.

are you saying that the mafia saved made by pushing both nutella and owner?

that would probably require a lot of mafia lol

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 10:44 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:11 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:09 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:06 pm @JaggedJimmyJay If nutella and Owner are both mafia then Made is a save.

What is a "save" in this sense?

I believe Made is a villager who was run up in order to protect nutella and Owner.

oh that makes more sense

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:17 pm Made is the most likely to be eliminated today, so it's not something I am inclined to talk about much on its own yet. I'm looking for relationships and other suspects tangential to him.

I remember that I said something like, I think Made is a save, and Mac came in and said I agree.

I don't remember many other interactions they've had but the one I remember seems teammate compatible. I trust you'll do your due diligence on all their interactions anyway.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:14 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:04 pm On the third hand there is something very strange going on with the poison this game because it has weird targeting this game and I don't know what to make of that. Which increases the chances that two poison healer makes sense somehow.

I'm not sure I follow as to how that in particular increases the chance of two poisoner healers.

I mean, even so, if I were mafia those poisons are likely NK targets for me. The same applies if I were the actual poisoner. It's what I nervously attach myself to doing when there are players who I feel can out-town me and I think they will survive to F-X; I just target the more deletable targets in the hopes that town paranoia rips itself apart.

Neither NK nor poison targeting the two desperado confirmed towns is extremely weird.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:14 pm I am a town mason and my partner can clear me at any time and i can clear my partner.
So i suggest to focus in other theories.

Is your partner in the following group: [Mac, Made, Allcrab, Martin]?

If the answer is yes say so now.

Let's just vote Made to be honest.

Like what even is the mafia team if Made is town? Is it Mac + Guillo? Is it [Mac/Guillo] + Allcrab who ripped off LoMo's watcher result and TMI'd bunny and has been skating by ever since? It is one of those + Martin who has fooled me?

I am not inspired by any of these possibilities. A mafia team with Made in it makes the most sense regardless of anyone else's alignment.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:11 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:07 pm If Mac is scum I think his partner is >90% to be Made. His bickering with Guillo doesn't seem like they're teammates, and everyone else seems varying degrees of townie. Therefore I will be examining Mac/Made interactions to see if there's anything that would point away from a team of those two, and (speculatively) Guillo as the poisoner.

I am not mafia and I am not the poisoner. I am however a fantastic dancer.

Full claim?

Made's ISO contains no meaningful interactions with either Mac or Guillo.

Apparently Made is too common a word in Mac's iso for me to search and I don't feel up to manually ctrl + fing through 16 pages of iso so I'll let someone harder working than me handle that.

@Allcrab remind me what your targets are?

I guess it could be Guillo/Made and Mac as the poisoner.

If Mac is scum I think his partner is >90% to be Made. His bickering with Guillo doesn't seem like they're teammates, and everyone else seems varying degrees of townie. Therefore I will be examining Mac/Made interactions to see if there's anything that would point away from a team of those two, and (speculatively) Guillo as the poisoner.

I am of two minds regarding Martin.

I strongly townread his play and the way he handled his claim was extremely townie. He claimed first without any pressure to do so, and if he is the mafia poison healer he would know that the town poison healer would CC him and make him look bad.

On the other hand it seems silly to have two poison healers since they'd both just heal the D2 poisoned person.

On the third hand there is something very strange going on with the poison this game because it has weird targeting this game and I don't know what to make of that. Which increases the chances that two poison healer makes sense somehow.

LoMo is now hyper clear because he is confirmed to be JOAT with a watcher shot (corroborated by Allcrab) and a roleblocker shot (corroborated by Sloonei being blocked). A mafia JOAT with 1x watcher and 1x roleblocker on a team with a mafia roleblocker is implausible and beggars belief. This increases Mac's scum equity since Mac wanted to get us to suspect LoMo.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:00 pm @Allcrab @lost monkey to be absolutely clear, neither of you targeted Gnome on Night 4. Correct?

Allcrab has claimed to target Mac. LoMo is JOAT and has used up his watcher.

Made wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:59 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:56 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:56 pm Made's posting this day has been incredibly bad.

Yeah he can be chopped.

#cantchopwontchop

keep up friends, this play is bout to be legendary. bout to come off the bench for the game winning shot

If you're going to claim or reveal as innocent child or something just do it.

I smell a socky nom.

Made's posting this day has been incredibly bad.

Why did you block Sloonei, LoMo?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:53 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:52 pm I vote manipulated Jay.

Why?

Every night I can give someone an extra vote.

I gave Jay an extra vote last night.

I vote manipulated Jay.

To be honest Made seems to be mafia in all worlds anyway and his posting has been really bad so I might just vote him as the highest % exe.

What if Guillo/Mac is 3P and Mafia and they each realized they are fucked but the other is evil so they are trying to rack up towncred by leading a crusade against the other person?

I think a combination of the POE size and the dynamics of it suggests that there is one mafia between Guillo and Mac.

I am marinating the case against Mac in my mind. I will probably share my thoughts on it after he responds to the case.