The Syndicate

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 1:55 am

Allcrab wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 1:53 am I have to check if they advocated for Orange being shot because if they didn't then I buy that narrative even less than I already do.

Nope lol

Mac defended OC on the basis of his "request" to be shot. Mac isn't one to gobble up wifom like that, and it's the most glaring red flag in his ISO for me.

You keep mentioning this. I didn't defend them. You asked me for a reason to town read them and it was all I could come up with. Please stop bringing it up like it was earnest.

Y'all can get there I believe in you.

If I started the game bussing Nutella on a day where 3 mafia were wagons to what end is there to not just ruthlessly bus the rest?

Allcrab wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 1:22 am [VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

no plz

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 12:20 am I think Martin has been fairly townie today.

I agree.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 12:04 am Sloonei's shot is confirmed.

Mechanically speaking I suppose Allcrab can be mafia, but I have other reasons to trust him.

You yourself have pointed out that Jay got cupid arrowed, why are you asking if Jay is mafia?

LoMo's role is confirmed by Allcrab, I guess it can in theory be mafia. I have other reasons to trust him (the way he handled his claim was townie, and nutella treated him like they were opposite alignment).

Just trying to feed the conversation.

I guess if there are two mafia left things open up a bit more. LoMo and AllCrab can be teammates.

Is there any room for Sloonei being not a back up turned desperado?

Can Allcrab be a mafia watcher?

Can Jay and Gnome be scum teammates?

Can LoMo's role be mafia? Is his role 100% confirmed?

I know I'll get my head bitten off for "widening the POE" bit they are important questions.

The only non mafia mech clear is TSP I think? Is anyone else truly mech cleared from the mafia?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:53 pm I’m not clear on why both Mac and Alison have dismissed me as a town read.

You were cupid shot by the mafia.

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:51 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:50 pm @MartinGG99 where do you go next when I flip town?

I'd like to posit the same question to you actually. Suppose you vote me out today and I flip town. What's your solve?

Re-evaluate everything off the flips. Find spew. I intend to do it before the end of this day at any rate.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:51 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:49 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:45 pm Mac trying to convince me Alison fake poisoned herself is a little hard to take seriously.

It's Alison. Remember her as Gambit Demon? She is a 5D player.

I don’t doubt she’s capable of the strategy. I doubt it’s a thing in the first place.

You must be unfamiliar with poison mechanics because being able to fake it is a common part of the role.

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:49 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:48 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:35 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:28 pm Nanook would not have been my choice of kill. He was one of a small few people who considered me town.

Esooa also considered you town yesterday and was much more active solving wise than nanook. If we accept that the mafia went after a mason, Esooa makes more sense as the kill. Unless you are the mafia and wanting to keep her alive so she defends you and sus me. Or it's a complete watcher dodge in which case we should give you no credit for the nightkill target (and in which case Allcrab is spewed town).

I believe Nanook was killed because he would have voted you or Martin over me.

Esooa was much more aggressive in scumreading me. She's also a mason - why not her?

Higher chance to be watched. More of a force in the thread.

@MartinGG99 where do you go next when I flip town?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:45 pm Mac trying to convince me Alison fake poisoned herself is a little hard to take seriously.

It's Alison. Remember her as Gambit Demon? She is a 5D player.

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:35 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:28 pm Nanook would not have been my choice of kill. He was one of a small few people who considered me town.

Esooa also considered you town yesterday and was much more active solving wise than nanook. If we accept that the mafia went after a mason, Esooa makes more sense as the kill. Unless you are the mafia and wanting to keep her alive so she defends you and sus me. Or it's a complete watcher dodge in which case we should give you no credit for the nightkill target (and in which case Allcrab is spewed town).

I believe Nanook was killed because he would have voted you or Martin over me.

And he also made no mention of me day 5 and pushed onto other people who aren't me. I have about 5 optimal kills ahead of Nanook to make. Including Esooa.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:44 pm I don’t see Nanook stating a read on Mac in at least the last two day phases. I can only scan on mobile.

He absolutely did. Guillo stated it.

Nanook would not have been my choice of kill. He was one of a small few people who considered me town.

@Sloonei make words gud

I am probably just going to sheep whatever Sloonei decides up to and including self voting lol.

I guess that makes Alison just the mafia then.

Ok that is pretty damning Allcrab probably slipped as poisoner.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 7:22 pm

Allcrab wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 4:19 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 4:17 pm What was the rationale for watching me, Allcrab?

considering me explaining my rational yesterday I thought they'd switch it up and go after a villager.

My rationale keeps being right but I keep picking the wrong target lol.

@MacDougall do you see what I see

hmmm yeh

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 7:14 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 7:03 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 7:00 pm Mac why are your posts today scummy

How are they? I am just stating the situation. I am also laying in bed phone posting so I am probably not as articulate as usual.

your read on Alison/Martin not being explained save trying to explain how it's possible, not likely (we're disrespecting Martin cause he could apparently wolf like this, no reasons as to why he is a wolf, etc) and having no thoughts on sloonei/jjj/lost monkey/allcrab. Seems you're more interested in putting someone below you in the PoE than anything else

Martin can be wolf i don't need to invent any reason for it. He's just the only candidate that's really left fmpov.

Jay and Sloonei are confirmed town imo. Allcrab is confirmed to be his role and so is LoMo imo.

I will worry about other worlds if need be. I think between Martin and Alison it makes more sense for Martin to be wolf and Alison to be poisoner.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 7:14 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 7:03 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 7:00 pm Mac why are your posts today scummy

How are they? I am just stating the situation. I am also laying in bed phone posting so I am probably not as articulate as usual.

your read on Alison/Martin not being explained save trying to explain how it's possible, not likely (we're disrespecting Martin cause he could apparently wolf like this, no reasons as to why he is a wolf, etc) and having no thoughts on sloonei/jjj/lost monkey/allcrab. Seems you're more interested in putting someone below you in the PoE than anything else

Don't turn on me nowwww God damn it

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 7:00 pm Mac why are your posts today scummy

How are they? I am just stating the situation. I am also laying in bed phone posting so I am probably not as articulate as usual.

Allcrab and LoMo can confirm my role in coordination I think.

For instance. Allcrab targets whomever. Force me to target them to. LoMo also watches them. If I target them they together will get a full watch result. If I don't target the player or one of those two dies then I am outed.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 4:46 pm I don't know that I would prioritize either mafia or poisoner today. Getting rid of one or the other removes a kill from the game, and it's conceivable they can both kill each other. For that reason my initial voting interest lies with Mac -- he's a good candidate to be either one. I am going to let the day develop a bit before I start spamming out calls for a wagon though or even placing my own vote. Level heads prevail.

How dare you

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 4:37 pm Martin’s town

I kinda hope he wins as mafia here now. Dude is getting disrespected.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 4:26 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 4:25 pm Mafia prospects: Mac, Martin, Alison, Allcrab

Poisoner prospects: Tony, Mac, Martin

Someone yell at me if I am missing a player. It's hard to keep the two sides straight. I'll try to order them...

Maf - Mac = Alison > Martin > Allcrab

Poison - Mac > Tony > Martin

big doubt on Martin being mafia

Based on?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 4:25 pm Mafia prospects: Mac, Martin, Alison, Allcrab

Poisoner prospects: Tony, Mac, Martin

Someone yell at me if I am missing a player. It's hard to keep the two sides straight. I'll try to order them...

Maf - Mac = Alison > Martin > Allcrab

Poison - Mac > Tony > Martin

Humour Alison as a poisoner prospect. You will thank me.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 4:21 pm

lost monkey wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 4:21 pm Leaning towards Alison being scum rather than Mac. I will vote Mac though if he doesn't claim.

Mac's lack of a claim has me leaning poisoner. Either way though I agree it's a problem.

Imagine a world in which Alison, Sloonei and Jay are alive with me being 3p poisoner... you can't.

lost monkey wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 4:21 pm Leaning towards Alison being scum rather than Mac. I will vote Mac though if he doesn't claim.

Any reason in particular?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 4:19 pm The fact that I am not poisoned speaks well for Allcrab. Being investigative doesn't preclude being mafia.

Maybe.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 4:06 pm Technically possible Gnome is mafia. I am going to wait for someone to tell me why she is alive before I dwell further on that.

How is it technically possible as opposed to just possible?

Garden Gnome wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 4:04 pm Nanook was the second mason!!!
All right.
I think that means that esooa is town.

There was an extended conversation where they openly claimed it btw.

Alison being 3p and having a godread on Martin can easily just be her actually realising he was mafia d1 and pocketing mafia intentionally to avoid nk also. That is entirely within her range.

Garden Gnome surviving is wifom at this point. I don't think Gnome is the sort of person who could fool Jay of their alignment in a night chat so I am just gonna sheep his read of her and ignore the mech.

For me the mafia is very likely just Martin. I think the poisoner is probably Alison and she has a fake poison.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 6:29 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 6:25 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 6:22 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 6:19 pm I am a muse. I target someone every night and it guarantees they get to use their ability (roleblock prevention).

N1 Idled.
N2 I targeted Tangrowth.
N3 Idled.
N4 I targeted Jay.
N5 I intentionally holstered.

Why does this "sound bad"?

Why idle?

I forgot to use my role twice.

I’ll come clean team. I have failed you.
I never expected to survive the night. I was very confused about the char flip and I was on my way to a very hot date. We stayed overnight to celebrate my girl bday and vday weekend. Last thing in my mind was the game... I never submitted an action last night.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 6:26 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 6:25 pm I forgot to use my role twice.

How does that happen to someone on their way to 1,000 posts?

Why did you think that role would make you look bad?

Phases are in shitty time zones for me. I intended to submit both times but time just got away from me.

It wasn't just the role it was the fact I idled. The role is quite whatever. I also was still thinking we might lose to anti claim up to a point.

Last night I intentionally holstered because I was hoping Allcrab would watch the killer and clear me for not being involved.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 6:22 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 6:19 pm I am a muse. I target someone every night and it guarantees they get to use their ability (roleblock prevention).

N1 Idled.
N2 I targeted Tangrowth.
N3 Idled.
N4 I targeted Jay.
N5 I intentionally holstered.

Why does this "sound bad"?

Why idle?

I forgot to use my role twice.

I am a muse. I target someone every night and it guarantees they get to use their ability (roleblock prevention).

N1 Idled.
N2 I targeted Tangrowth.
N3 Idled.
N4 I targeted Jay.
N5 I intentionally holstered.

Is it plausible we still have two mafia to catch here?

I think it's pretty obvious I am not mafia if you use your brains.

[VOTE: Martin] aubergine

I actually forgot LoMo was playing.

Allcrab wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:14 pm Nobody targeted mac last night.

Figured poisoner MO was to go after people on the fringe of the PoE which was kinda right they were a bit more direct than I expected and I guessed wrong, sorry.

And yeah I am trying to get poisoner identity over wolves cuz that's gonna be WAAAAAAAYYYYYYYY harder to get if we gotta do it the old fashioned way.

I wanna vote martin today but out of respect for Alison's read I'll try made first.

This actually reads like a poisoner claim tbh.

Allcrab wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 12:04 am Is Made usually a low poster?

It's a mixed bag. I think it is NAI for him.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 03, 2021 11:51 pm I did have a mild look-through of those interactions earlier with regards to Mac. My current stance is that one of Made/Mac is mafia. GTH, as said before, it would be both of them.

It would surprise me if both were green. If Made somehow flips green though I will be putting more consideration into my mafia-hunting thoughts than I would if he flips red.

Regardless, I will look at Mac more in the future. Just more-so on Mac and others if Made flips green because atp town's in a problematic situation most likely.

I really struggle to understand how suddenly after going to sleep yesterday feeling sleepwalking as a member of the towncore suddenly almost everyone in the game has me in the POE with the exception of Made (which I find very strange for him in particular) and Esooa and TSP who both just subbed into the game and neither of whom can actually be mafia outside of crazy worlds (in Esooa's case). It 100% feels to me like opportunism based on the fact that Papa Jay decided Mac was a suspect. I must ask myself the question that if he did not do that, would you actually be pushing me as your primary POE suspect and the answer is exceedingly obviously no you would not be, because you had not been. I feel the exact same way about Alison. So I actually probably have my answer about who the mafia are.