The Syndicate

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 7:09 pm Besides, if we're gonna say "I still don't understand why you have completely ignored the reasons for", may I direct you again to spf

i haven't ignored your reasons on spf from earlier, and they resonated with me at the time, but it's not enough at this stage of the game. youve been statically stuck to that self meta thing from her from d1 and have kind of dismissed her for the rest of the game while i dont feel shes held up as townie since then, and her tone/vibe/general response to pressure has reminded me more of how she did in grasslands and vienna than in town games

outed wolf wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 7:08 pm i dont think reading dyas iso for spew is a good idea, they have known they are going down early since mid d1 when sunbae and i said we thought they were like the org game

i would look at how others treated dya more than how dya treated other people

sure, dizzy pointed those out but i was mainly looking in yours and spfs isos directly

dizzy and i both just *feel* it's not arete, idk maybe i'm being dumb and zack is right but their disappointment seemed real and their solving yesterday was p good i thought, and seemed like they genuinely hoped/expected syn to end it

meh we can still go there maybe im dumb

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 7:07 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 7:05 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 7:02 pm I don't see where to go other than [VOTE: Dyslexicon] aubergine
This will probably start another messy argument that I really shouldn't be starting rn
i still dont understand why you have completely ignored the reasons for dizzy being town

ive explained why this is just his villa game a few times and i dont know why you think he'd have pointed out that vulgard/dya nitpick if wolf
Every time you say "Dizzy doesn't bus", and every time I say "but that's not bussing", we explore no new ground. Is there some nuance here I'm not picking up? Like I said, my hand is yours to hold.

yeah theres nuance, i feel like i put it into words but maybe not well enough

can you just trust me enough to not go there today at least

i think spf/visor and even arete are far more likely

outed wolf wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 7:02 pm dya ignored me cause i spent all game pushing them

they did their typical call me light v stuff (i can literally go find you games where theyve done this as a wolf with me pushing them, its their attempt to get me off their back)

eh, you saying it's a typical dynamic between you and them doesnt preclude the possibility you deliberately planned in wolfchat to replicate/emulate it

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 7:02 pm I don't see where to go other than [VOTE: Dyslexicon] aubergine
This will probably start another messy argument that I really shouldn't be starting rn

i still dont understand why you have completely ignored the reasons for dizzy being town

ive explained why this is just his villa game a few times and i dont know why you think he'd have pointed out that vulgard/dya nitpick if wolf

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 7:00 pm -but you don't know whether or not i meant to put vulgard on my townleans or my townreads, do you? it should be obvious that i was debating which tier to put him on and accidentally left him on both - the exact same mistake that i made with amy. the fact that i did NOT move vulgard down to my townleans (to my memory, actually) pokes a giant hole in your entire argument

no, because in literally all of your other posts hes one of your highest townreads. theres no reason he would be in the second tier rather than the first, it's inconsistent with everything else you say about him

dyachei wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 9:00 am
outed wolf wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 8:58 am wheres your head at dya,

some sort of tier/reads list would be nice?
my head is at annoyed that I can't play a game with friends without being told that my way of playing is shitty, anti-town, or wolfy

Villa
Tangy

Villa Lean
Amy
c4

Don't know where to place
nutella
visor

W lean
Gavial
alison

W

here -- might be a good look for spf bc not including *any* teammates would be ???? but kinda wifom

meh for c4 (townlean) and visor (why is he included if they dont know where to place him)

then again there was that thing that they posted that might have just been literally TMIing both zack and visor town / being annoyed that neither were townreading them, but could also be pairing a teammate with a villager

dyachei wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 5:37 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 5:35 pm spf sunbae Vulgard 3/3 core
nut prolly threadspewed
Couldn't give fewer shits about dya unless Seth flips green
Couldn't give fewer shits about Hally and Zack unless KZA flips green

Alison
Amy
Arete
Dyslexicon
Marluxion
outed wolf
Tangrowth

Someone gimme their most urgent legacy top townie in that bunch
amy

and with that, I'm done posting so here's a reads list

V
Amy
Tangy

V lean
c4
sunbae
vulgard

dunno what to do with
nutella
hally
zack
visor
dizzy
arete
spf

w lean
gav
kza

w
alison

later reads list, has visor and spf (and arete and dizzy) in null tier, has vulgard and kza split across town/wolf lean tiers
c4 being in same tier as vul probably good look for him

dya put visor in a "dunno what to do with" tier in a couple diff readslists, including one that didnt have either kza or vulgard at all

Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 7:56 am Visor is a wolf.

I do not have an argument to back this up.

Discuss.

lol

alright i'll talk about visor for a bit while waiting for spf's other stuff

outed wolf wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 1:58 pm er, vulgard and i can both be villas

(also id never not rb amy lol cmon)

this post kinda bad feels -- tbf this whole section of the thread we were considering vulgard v worlds, and this was arguing against the specific theory that he could have been rber, but mrrr

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:52 pm remember that time in bread mafia when nutella (a villager) pushed on SPF (a villager) by quoting posts from grasslands (where SPF was a wolf) and saying how similar the language is?

cause i do :P

lol

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:49 pm @nutella - just a few things:

-you're objectively wrong about "this list has one wolf maximum" being a tell for me in either direction - this is a phrase/strategy that i've used consistently in my last couple of village games, and i can link you to the games where i've used them if that would really help you

-i accidentally included amy on two tiers on one of my readslist on d2. does that mean that i'm partnered with amy? what is my wolf motivation for putting vulgard twice on the same list by accident? that doesn't even make sense lol

-yeah i mean, i didn't aggressively hardtunnel on dya while going "YOURE MAFIA!!!!!!", but my suspicion of them was consistent and constant. when i said that their alignment would become more obvious as the game went on, i was right, and that was reflected in the fact that i became more and more certain that dya was a wolf as the game went on. if you're looking for a moment where i absolutely buried dyachei then you're looking at me with the entirely wrong approach - i don't usually hardtunnel people in games, and especially not players like dyachei who i am consistently worried about misreading

your post against me reeks of someone confirmation biasing themselves into the same paranoid tinfoil read that they've been entertaining for several dayphases, and i doubt that i can talk you out of it at this point tbh

- okay, your phrasing here about it being objectively not a tell in either direction sounds kinda like wolf pov but w/e
- i don't care. this specific instance is bad because you specifically said there was a wolf in the townleans and i think thats the only reason you would have moved vulgard down into townleans bc you had tmi
- ok. you said you'd pull some posts that you think make it clear you're not w/w with dya, lets see those pls

spf here:

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 5:36 pm
bronana wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 5:28 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 3:26 pm i dont really believe in my heart that syn is a wolf even though i think it's entirely possible

so im in that awkward inbetween state where i dont quite have the time to figure out who i would wanna chop in a world where syn doesnt get killed, but where syn being killed doesn't feel exactly right to me

hopefully it's just syn and im just being silly
weren't you coming in hard saying the neighbor chat was wolfy and he was lying about it? why do you think he's town and why did you only bring this up after 46 hours?
yeah i mean, i do think that his reads have been wolfy and haven't made any sense, but he hasn't been posting like a final wolf that's guaranteed to die. i just don't fully feel it but i hope im just getting meme'd on

spf in grasslands (wolf):

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:00 pm i dont want to be that clown that defends a mafia when theyre about to be chopped but i just realized that i dont ~really~ have a concrete reason to be suspicious of thunal today. i want to talk this through with someone (i wish hally was still here lol)

spf here:

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:30 pm hello

i will do my best to avoid responding to suspicion toward me today, because it tends to irk me a bit and distracts me from doing the solving that would be beneficial for the entire game. (although i will towncase myself if it would be beneficial overall - i think the frustration i had yesterday stemmed from the feeling that nobody had closely read my progression on dya, which is the thing in this game that i feel should clear me as a villager in just about every world.)

i have a limited amount of free time this week especially, and that really cripples my ability to do my ~process~ in the same way that i like to do when i have a lot of time on my hands. even so, here's my plan for today:

we have three chops left. if i can narrow down the wolves in this game to two possible names, then i can allow myself to be chopped and force everyone else to follow my legacy once i flip. the goal for today, then, is to narrow down my POE to exactly two names. i'll try to provide an answer for this at the end of these 48 hours

spf in grasslands (wolf):

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 9:06 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 8:58 pm kinda funny that i completely flipped my poe on its head from yesterday. it was gonna be between tutuu and nanook and now im more or less locking them both town and it's between thunal and spf lolololol hi dead ppl reading the thread am i dumb
is there anything specific that makes you think i could be mafia, or is it more of your POE narrowing it down to me and thunal? i can make a case for why im 100% town in this game if you really want me to, but i don't find it to be necessary

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:30 pm i will do my best to avoid responding to suspicion toward me today, because it tends to irk me a bit and distracts me from doing the solving that would be beneficial for the entire game. (although i will towncase myself if it would be beneficial overall - i think the frustration i had yesterday stemmed from the feeling that nobody had closely read my progression on dya, which is the thing in this game that i feel should clear me as a villager in just about every world.)

hmm nope

[VOTE: spf] aubergine

some spf stuff

Spoiler: show

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 4:05 pm
Vulgard wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:55 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:03 pm @Vulgard - regarding https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 00#p797367, you need to re-read the beginning of the thread again. a lot of the stuff you said was factually inaccurate and i suspect that it's because you were rushing through the thread in your catch-up. i did not townread hally - i actually threw shade on hally early on, and i'm confused at how you missed that early exchange between us. i think that you're town though, and it's primarily because of your progression on me. if you were a wolf and you wanted to make up a reason to justify your suspicion toward me, there would be a lot of easier avenues to that destination than to pontificate about my meta for a page or two and then conclude that you were incorrect all along. if you wanted to pocket me or get in my good graces, there are also easier ways to do that than the paranoid, uncertain attitude you've shown toward me within the last couple of pages. it comes off like you are genuinely trying to consider my alignment, and that's a feeling that is reflected in most of the posts i've seen from you (ie: your read on hally)
I'll admit one thing here. I thought you townread Hally, because: At first you did question Hally, yes, but then they explained themselves. At that point you went like "fair enough" which I took as a townread. I didn't consider that townread warranted.

Aside from that. Despite you explaining it extensively in this post, I still don't understand how you townread me from your perspective. I made a factually incorrect push on you (from your presented perspective). Your response is to call me town for it because it looks genuine. What separates my push from agenda, especially if I got facts wrong? Don't wolves try to misconstrue the facts as part of their agenda? How can you tell whether I did it on purpose or not?

Basically, this post looks like a pocket/placating attempt to me. And yes, I've just called my push agenda because I'm not sure how SPF concluded I'm V. I'd expect most villagers I push for factually incorrect reasons to think I'm a wolf. Either that, or berate me for flimsy reasoning. I'm used to that as well. I'd expect SPF to wolfread me back or get suspicious of me if she's town.

This treatment feels... off.

SPF don't read:
Spoiler: show
Or maybe I'm not accustomed to being understood and I wolfread it on instinct.

I totally don't want SPF to just be town.

your read on me being predicted on factually incorrect information is not alignment indicative. most wolves don't outright lie about their reasoning, and the way that you carried this internal attitude of: "SPF townread hally" throughout your posts implied to me that you genuinely thought that i townread them regardless of your alignment

i think that your push on me is genuine because it isn't really a push - you came into the game w/concerns about me and then spent several lengthy posts desperately trying to dig up previous meta to verify if your read on me was correct, only to then conclude that your entire pursuit was fruitless. wolves that try to push on me usually treat me in a static way - i am either Good or i'm Bad, whereas your read on me exists in this continuum of: "SPF might be a wolf but she also might be a villager, i don't know", and i find the consideration and the self-doubt believable. i also think that your approach to reading me, in general, has an extremely high level of effort for comparatively low payoff in a world where you are a wolf. why even bother going through the meta stuff as a wolf instead of just saying: "SPF is kind of scummy" and leaving it at that?

i am pocketing you, though

this early interaction with vulgard still feels wrong to me, also i didn't quote vulgard's first post but it has a looottt of shade toward spf and then after it he goes into her meta almost as if he's hunting for a reason to call her town and back off

(also note that dya basically glossed over that whole thing's existence)

i feel like his early pressure on spf was cooked up distancing and in this response spf is driving home the point that it doesn't make sense as evaluation of her from wolf!vul. also the last line lfjka;dkjfasd;lfja;sdfj

spf has SEVERAL posts repeating a list of names including vulgard that she specifically keeps saying "hopefully only one wolf in this list" "one wolf max" like over and over, she says this at least 3 or 4 times, i think this can legitimately be tmi including vulgard and knowing it does in fact include exactly one wolf

similarly, this post set off MAJOR alarm bells in my head

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 12:20 am so, going off of the readslist that i just outed, that means:

my townreads are arete, c4, nutella, vulgard

my townleans are dyslexicon, marluxion, sunbae, chloe, vulgard, outed wolf

my poe is alison, dyachei, amy, bronana

weird. i'm doubtful that the bottom POE contains all three wolves

if i had to wager a guess, the bottom POE contains two wolves (one if i'm really off), and the third wolf is contained within my townleans

she accidentally includes vulgard on two tiers, one of those being the "townleans" tier that she thinks contains a wolf

this just makes every piece of me scream

i also think she has kind of exaggerated her cred on dya, like yes she pressured dya for a lot of the first couple phases but it's very much not outside what i can see as a bus, and i particularly didn't like this post early on
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 03#p798603
it's like some shade on dya but "the rest of their posts are fine" and "dya's alignment will become more obvious as the game goes on" which is kinda oooof

she does ramp up on pushing dya after that, though even on d2 she starts to try to tie alison and dya together which in retrospect feels agendaed to me; generally i think a lot of her takes on dya can come from a teammate who wants to/can appear insightful about why dya's wolfy bc she already knows they're a wolf and wants to bus/ be on the right side of history

have some stuff on visor to post as well (would be a different style of bus/tmi on dya) but i think spf looks worse from my reread, not better as she promised me

have some spf quotes to pull but will wait a bit

weh

think it's most likely spf, side of visor

i had neighbor chat with dizzy overnight, we both did a bit of isoing and agree on those/agree that arete/c4 more likely town

good byyyyyyyyye

(no sexual)

toasted marlmallow with nutella on a bronana

damn that sounds good

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 5:55 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 5:51 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 5:50 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 5:48 pm another thing about spf, she talked about how hard she went after dya but... i dont remember that really, obv i'm a bit biased but i feel like visor and i were the main pushers of dya throughout the game
oh come on now, dya was my top scumread for 3 entire days and i made a point of bringing up my concerns about them constantly. i've accepted that i'm not getting "cleared" for my push (even though i honestly should), but to say that i wasn't a primary pusher of them is just factually untrue
why should you get cleared for the push when youre a hard busser by meta
"SPF busses as a wolf" doesn't mean that i'm not allowed to get towncred when i spend the entirety of the game pushing for a wolf to get killed - my trajectory on dya (and the way that dya played around me) should make it very obvious that we aren't W/W. i constantly interrogated dya and kept pressure on them while still never being fully confident about their alignment (because i dont have TMI)

if im gonna hardbus my partner for an ENTIRE game, then you can be sure that you're going to remember my push when all things are said and done. the fact that you presumably don't even remember me pushing on dya should indicate to you that my push wasnt an attempt at theatre or an attempt to townclear myself

alright

well i hope the game ends in five minutes then

im still also set off by vulgard's early focus on spf in his first post (that dya conveniently ignored?!?) that was then pulled back from

including that he pointed out she hadnt done her trademark wolfclaim lol

and her reaction to my pressure at various points has pinged me too

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 5:50 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 5:48 pm another thing about spf, she talked about how hard she went after dya but... i dont remember that really, obv i'm a bit biased but i feel like visor and i were the main pushers of dya throughout the game
oh come on now, dya was my top scumread for 3 entire days and i made a point of bringing up my concerns about them constantly. i've accepted that i'm not getting "cleared" for my push (even though i honestly should), but to say that i wasn't a primary pusher of them is just factually untrue

why should you get cleared for the push when youre a hard busser by meta

yeah if this is wrong my legacy is it's just spf glgl

another thing about spf, she talked about how hard she went after dya but... i dont remember that really, obv i'm a bit biased but i feel like visor and i were the main pushers of dya throughout the game

Marluxion wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 5:45 pm Nutella, if you are town, just know vulgard talked about you and arete in much the same way
all he said is you are both villagers
he gave no reasons for you, and the only reason for arete was "Soulread"
so idk

yeah, tbf his dynamic with arete is different, but i think arete is more likely v here and would go spf before them atm

Marluxion wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 5:38 pm "If he's W then he's been metashielded for no reason and in that case SPF's wolf equity skyrockets."

tying c4 to spf fsdklf;asdjf;asldkjf

Marluxion wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 5:42 pm i posted this earlier but like

"SPF/c4 might be w/v in c4's favor. I could see the hard shield being a pocket. Remember their day 1 interaction? C4 came in dancing around an early wolfread on SPF and SPF ended up townreading him for it. I could see a world where she's trying to pocket someone who wolfread her opener. She herself admitted that he's good at reading her, so she might be trying to fool him specifically."

(once again altered so as not to be a direct copy/paste)

this kinda feels like TMI in the case of spf actually flipping wolf so he looks towny

mmmmmmmmmmmmm

weh

Marluxion wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 5:33 pm Vulgard mentions multiple times and makes notes of things he wants to ask TO SPF when day starts, not out of theater range but doesn't really feel w/w

any more detail on this?

Spoiler: show

this game not having hammer enabled is *extremely* dumb

yeah i'm still arriving at everyone is simply a villager except syn

still thought visors stuff about dya yesterday was more likely real than not

but i have had a few reservations on him throughout the game

shrug, still want to go syn today

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 5:17 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 5:12 pm reminder that this post is fairly strong evidence for c4 not being the last wolf unless you want to ultra mega wifom read it lmao

Vulgard wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 4:38 am c4, dya and KZA are in the "no impressions made" club and I would like them to play the game. I do not townread c4 for a carefully voiced scumread (?) on SPF. That's in any average wolf's wolfrange and I think SPF is too quick to clear them regardless of alignment.

dya and KZA just haven't talked about the game much yet. Dya got offended based on a single accusation if I read that correctly, and KZA 5-posted and dipped.

I mean. Devil's advocate.

1. He already did put 2 of his three teammates there.
2. Dya brought it up as evidence themselves.
3. Earlier, Vulgard made a reference to a past scum game of his where he purposefully treated teammate Alison in a way that made her go deep. So I don't think it's out of his range to plot in exactly that way.

But otherwise sure.

mmmm i guess

it would be pretty wild considering that before the jk he was pretty set to be the deepest wolf so idk if he'd 4d chess his spew like that but. maybe

dizzy i just don't really agree that that's not vulgard talking about a teammate re: tangy there, imo it seems like he goes in and finds reasons to call her town like "a wolf wouldn't put in the effort of that readslist" etc that's actually fairly weak. he had previously kinda shaded her for not making an impression and when prodded goes in and "finds" reason to call her town

idk, i can see it either way but i think there's a lot that looks bad collectively for the slot over the course of the game more than anyone else atp

reminder that this post is fairly strong evidence for c4 not being the last wolf unless you want to ultra mega wifom read it lmao

Vulgard wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 4:38 am c4, dya and KZA are in the "no impressions made" club and I would like them to play the game. I do not townread c4 for a carefully voiced scumread (?) on SPF. That's in any average wolf's wolfrange and I think SPF is too quick to clear them regardless of alignment.

dya and KZA just haven't talked about the game much yet. Dya got offended based on a single accusation if I read that correctly, and KZA 5-posted and dipped.

Syn wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 1:11 pm absolutely tanking my win-con, because, uh... I'm expecting you guys to eventually settle on the right layer of WIFOM to derpclear me? Or something?

what is the game plan here

yeah it's probably p much exactly that

outed wolf wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 3:35 am can you read dyas iso at some point and gimme some takes?

yeah, i mean you more or less know how ive felt about most of dya's posts throughout the game but i'll go back in now that theyve flipped for sure and will prob mainly focus on their mentions of tang/chloe/syn and arete

outed wolf wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 3:30 am so talk to me about the recent town games then

whats the diff to you

as town she posts and interacts more and more free-flowingly, kinda like me in a sense, establishing a lot of interaction with the player base and generally displaying more comfort in thread. it's possible the postcap affected this on d1 as it did for me but my impression wasnt really that she was straining against the postcap at any point or having to resist posting more, it felt like the opposite in that she felt pressured to post and her two main readlist posts were more out of obligation

i feel like i'm repeating the same vague things and not being specific lol sorry

dya also hard shielded both tangy and chloe until post-vulgardgate at which point they shifted into pushing the slot which isnt a good look imo

i will say that i went into sod2 with a fairly strong wolfread on her slot and then felt like chloe villaged it up so i felt better, and then chloe dropped off again later and the slot's been back to main poe since

like, i dont have a ton of cross-alignment data to back this up, im just saying my gut is that her tone feels more >rand wolf and anecdotally dissimilar to the couple recent town games ive seen

outed wolf wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 3:23 am does she normally get taken aback as a wolf?

would you expect her to take it in her stride as both alignments?

again i do not feel equipped to make generalizations such as this as ive hardly played much with her recently

here are some of the relevant posts to that (again i feel kinda dirty with this lol, sorry tangy your emotional reactions were and are valid regardless of your alignment) - and this also includes her defending kza/questioning the push there

Spoiler: show

Tangrowth wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:35 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:33 pm
Tangrowth wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:26 pm I'm perhaps not going to come close to matching a fair portion of this playlist through sheer reads and/or solving methods. That's not really my strength, especially this early on, and even more so with people I don't know and entering a tense environment with an intimidating playerlist that I felt and feel more so on the outer edges of for the most part. I understand why people are explaining pleasantries as things I do, and I appreciate the kind thoughts that underlie such an association, so thanks, really. It is very important to me that people are having fun, particularly with such an enamored group of players, but I do think I may have been less concerned about the discordance in such a way that it would be easier to find my footing if I had TMI right now, even if I'd still try to put everyone at more ease publicly. As it stands... I just sort of feel like I'm dipping my toes in the pool, trying to get a feel for things, and if that means people are going to be hesitant to town read me because I'm hurling softballs or whatever, that's fine I guess, but I just don't feel like waiting for me to produce is a good way to find me as town. I guess I don't know where I fit in with this town at all yet, and that's not a comforting spot to be in... I like feeling like I have a specific purpose. I realize someone could just say well, make reads, do your own thing, but I am not going to force reads that I don't have (hence the questions), and I don't function well in a corner. I'm not expecting anyone to help me with that, it's my place to try to optimize how I can help win us this game, just musing aloud about it. I'm probably >rand in terms of being a self-oriented person, and I'll try to keep such perspective to a minimum and let you all figure me out or find me however you'd like, but I have a direct responsibility to make myself easier to find from my end too, and I wanted these things said nonetheless because I feel like at least some players will struggle to find me based on what's been said already. Anyway, without further ado, a reads list.
this is SO MANY words and i dont have a GODDAMN clue what it says
????? okay, that's fine I guess. You don't really have to. If it's helpful to someone, great, if not then whatever.

Tangrowth wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 5:51 pm
outed wolf wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 5:49 pm Eg tangrowths focus on arete at this time like EOD isn't v soon
I'm aware that it's EoD, I'm responding to things I was notified of.

Tangrowth wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 5:51 pm This is firmly aggravating.

Tangrowth wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 5:54 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:30 pm
Vulgard wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 4:38 am c4, dya and KZA are in the "no impressions made" club and I would like them to play the game. I do not townread c4 for a carefully voiced scumread (?) on SPF. That's in any average wolf's wolfrange and I think SPF is too quick to clear them regardless of alignment.

dya and KZA just haven't talked about the game much yet. Dya got offended based on a single accusation if I read that correctly, and KZA 5-posted and dipped.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 8:12 am I could say similar things about KZA, for that matter. Except KZA's ISO is even worse. Not only does it have fewer posts, but its only attempt at engagement is a thin townread on SPF. Also, bows out of reading Gavial instead of even trying. Terrible look so far. The point about "looking out of touch with the thread" also applies here. Dizzy just above me is open about the fact they won't engage with the game (not sure how to read that at the moment). KZA here is low-efforting and being quiet about it.

Stupid read, but KZA and Dizzy aren't W/W based on that. I doubt they would both do this as wolves, and in such a different manner, too. If they wanted to meme and become the slankwolf collective, they'd either both do it like Dizzy or both like KZA. I understand if people consider this read stupid, though.
sorry to bring up old stuff, I've been working a lot and not really posting

wanna walk me through this 0-100? I don't really see how you made this progression when I had 0 posts between those 2
I like this post mildly. Otherwise I got nothing from KZA I think.

I don't exactly know why he's being voted, I guess I need to continue reading, or can someone summarize it super quickly for me? I'm assuming it's just a KZA and Gavial are the dual "can't tell if they're town" votes, like someone who is voting KZA tell me why that's better than Gavial I guess is what I'm wondering.

Tangrowth wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 5:54 pm
Arete wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 5:52 pm tbf I don't think 'not caring about this EoD' is a scumtell for Tangy necessarily

I don't think literally anyone here cares about the EoD and you can't possibly all be wolves
I care about the EoD, it's why I'm here instead of grading.

Tangrowth wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 5:55 pm
sunbae wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 5:54 pm
Tangrowth wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 5:51 pm This is firmly aggravating.
eh no need for it to be from my stuff i hope, just a "tangys been posting fine but nothing has made me go 'oh town!' so we'll worry about it later" thing
No, I just detest that I'm being told I don't care when I'm literally spending every ounce of free energy that I have on it, that's all, I'll be fine.

Tangrowth wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 5:58 pm I don't really care who dies of the two I guess, just had one minor good vibe on one KZA post and nothing with Gavial, but they're both not really helping move the game along. It sucks that we have to worry about this in this game.

Tangrowth wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 5:58 pm So from that standpoint I guess I don't care, but I am very much otherwise invested in this game outcome and I'd really really really really like to talk to people about this tomorrow if it's relevant because I don't get it all.

Tangrowth wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 5:59 pm I don't know that I have updated reads to give, look at my ISO if you want to know what I think. Fingers crossed on the result. I'm still having fun even if this has been not fun coming back to this thread right now tbh.

Tangrowth wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 6:00 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 5:59 pm tangy trending down as well actually significantly
Please talk to me about this with utmost priority tomorrow.

also also at eod her main push seems to be hally which is ??????????

outed wolf wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 3:18 am talk to me more about that last part? (the rattled one)

mmm i feel bad reading too much into emotional reactions like that but in both of those instances she just kinda came across as taken aback and snarky/snappish in a way that actually kinda reminds me of my own wolf play sometimes, while i expect town tangy to be more comfortable joking around and more cooperative/receptive to other povs

outed wolf wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 3:03 am nutella talk to me about how tangrowth normally approaches games/bros and how do they normally play as wolf/villa

i dont think i have a super great grasp on that sorry but i can try

she took a pretty long hiatus and i think her style has changed a bit from the years i played with her most

as i'm sure you're aware one of the main things she's known for is hyperposting, but that's gone down a ton in recent years as she's much more busy irl and stuff, but i do think there's a mode she still gets into as a villager where genuine passion/interest in solving the game even if she doesnt have time to read everything shows through, and i don't really think i saw that here -- her time in thread felt more like work/obligation to post, feeling pressure to produce content in a way that is more wolf indicative for her

besides that my somewhat confbiased gut instincts are
- the placement/treatment of kza/dya/vulgard in her lists and such fits with how she would treat teammates
- the way she addressed some other players in a more banter-y manner, plus her wordy townreads on me and dizzy, could be pockety/trying to establish rapport with villagers
- i don't want to weigh emotional stuff too highly but i think she got rattled at things to an extent and with a tone that i found surprising -- namely (1) her reaction to my teasing about her one really long wordy paragraph and (2) her reaction to kza being a push/viable wagon at eod + generally she seemed to play up feeling out-of-touch at eod if that makes sense

going back to [VOTE: syn] aubergine for today but appreciating the pressure on arete

i just reread tangy's d1 iso and feel p good again about that slot being the wolf (her placement of the flipped wolves on lists/general treatment of them isn't inspiring, plus some of her modes of interaction with others)

Arete wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:14 am
outed wolf wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:10 am nutella what do you make of dizzy voting you

what do you think of dizzy i guess too (everyone)
don't really think the post on D2 where he specifically shades Vul as being potentially a wolf with Dya happens if he's a wolf with Vul and Dya

this yeah, and generally i think dizzy's contributions to the game have been from an uninformed perspective, insightful in the unique way he is as town, and maybe this is unfair to the wolves but i think a wolf team with dizzy on it would have been better positioned in general (and specifically he wouldnt have cast that shade on vul at a time when he was widely townread)

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