The Syndicate

Kito wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 11:06 pm
Tangrowth wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 11:05 pm
Kito wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 11:03 pm I wanna lynch owner cuz she's reminding me of that one game she was scum with dizzy. Her reads are whack to the point she's almost playing up her own meta, which would especially make sense on a new site, she's also very easy to defend and we saw nutella do that a few times
What did she do in that game that parallels here?
Very little. That's what's paralleling lol. She was a prime lynch candidate all game but her buddies talked us out of it over and over.

Oh I see, thanks, hehe! I would feel probably good about an Owner vote right now, based on my gut assessment. I hesitated a bit yesterday when she was talking to me but I never feel like I really got to find her through that like I would have wanted.

Re: Jay's Owner interactive though, it does make me wonder. I guess if Owner is scum with nutella, I can see why she may be okay with bussing her if she thought Owner could be the yeet instead of her? But did that ever really seem viable?

Kito wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 11:03 pm I wanna lynch owner cuz she's reminding me of that one game she was scum with dizzy. Her reads are whack to the point she's almost playing up her own meta, which would especially make sense on a new site, she's also very easy to defend and we saw nutella do that a few times

What did she do in that game that parallels here?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 8:44 pm I've mostly felt good about Tangy, but I just got to her interactions with me when I first entered. I asked about who to vote since I was not caught up and knew I wasn't going to have time to get caught up, and she gave me a list of four names to not vote, one of which was Nutella. I voted Owner and asked Tangy about it, and Tangy felt... awkward about that vote, but not willing to directly dissuade me from it. If Owner is scum, I think Tangy's scum equity increases.

Try searching my ISO for Owner and I think my feelings on that become more apparent, but feel free to let me know if you have questions or anything.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:59 pm These are all the votes that landed somewhere other than Made or nutella:

[1] Dana - voted for by Actvscenei
[1] Guillotine - voted for by Belzy
[4] Owner - voted for by Dana, Allcrab, Seanzie, bad bunny

I feel quite confident mafia reside here, probably a couple+. Act, Belzy, and bad bunny all stand out to me immediately. Every one of them demands a review.

I think I agree.

I don't know how to explain this, but I feel like scum probably had low collective thread pull. I don't see how nutella gets yeeted otherwise. Since I started the Made wagon, I feel like that gives me a unique perspective on this. The only Made voter that could be a nutella scummate if Made is town I feel like... has to be Owner? The rest of the names don't jive with my gut either. I guess LC is possible, but I don't think that's likely.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 8:41 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 8:32 pm Right out of the gate, Tangy was uber-excited, in full Dog Pee mode.
This reference might be lost on the new Syndicate generation.

fingersplints wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2015 11:57 am [Tangy] right now reminds me of a dog who is so excited she is just peeing all over everything.
This since became a hallmark of town Tangy. This was a long time ago, but I still feel fine overall with Tangy in this Mafia game.

Thank you for the retroactive pronoun correction!

Jay, I think the most damning thing about hawk theoretically is the Made vote, but combined with the sense of *shrugs* throughout EoD that accompanied it, not by itself. Through the other quotes you pulled... I can't rule her out either, but my gut says they're not teamed.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 8:28 pm I'd appreciate some feedback on my previous hawk/nutella review. I do think there are moments there that can be interpreted; it's just a bit of a judgment call. I want to hear others' judgment calls.

I'll look at it now.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 8:20 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 8:17 pm @Sloonei I am sorry but your reads list is hot garbage. There is no way that Sonny, Jay and Tangy can be your top towns off Nutella interactives. We must be reading entirely different games.
Feel free to tell me why. I thought her early-early interaction with Tangy looked confused. I thought the way she handled and reacted to Sonny looked like she just accepted that he was going to be town-read, and then her response to some of his prods had the look and feel of a mafier responding to a townie. Jay is just town all the time no matter what, I didn't need to read any nutella posts for that read.

I mean, I do understand why she didn't know what to do with me now, so you're right on the money there. I feel pretty silly for not picking that up, I just like... I don't know, I didn't want us to misyeet each other as town again, and I vibed with her wanting to approach things here the way she did. She definitely fucked with me, lol.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:32 pm
Tangrowth wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:29 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:59 pm
Tangrowth wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:45 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:44 pm
Tangrowth wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:40 pm I'd really rather not fucking die though because of this, so yeah... if this is a reaction test or something, Alison, please rescind it within enough time.
Do you townread Alison?
I don't know. I had some hesitation on her yesterday, but my gut thinks she looks better in light of nutella's flip (need to confirm through digging or look at Jay's thing if he's going to ISO Alison), so my inclination is that she's town. Additionally, I certainly don't know why she would be doing this right now if she were scum, it doesn't make sense to me.
Why do you think Alison was poisoned?
I'm not sure. What do you think? @Guillotine
You are not sure? If there is doubt there gotta be something, what is that something, tell me.

No, I mean, I really don't know. I guess whoever poisoned her wanted her gone, like whoever (was it Mac?) said, it's probably a 3p.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:59 pm
Tangrowth wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:45 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:44 pm
Tangrowth wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:40 pm I'd really rather not fucking die though because of this, so yeah... if this is a reaction test or something, Alison, please rescind it within enough time.
Do you townread Alison?
I don't know. I had some hesitation on her yesterday, but my gut thinks she looks better in light of nutella's flip (need to confirm through digging or look at Jay's thing if he's going to ISO Alison), so my inclination is that she's town. Additionally, I certainly don't know why she would be doing this right now if she were scum, it doesn't make sense to me.
Why do you think Alison was poisoned?

I'm not sure. What do you think? @Guillotine

Alison wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:56 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:55 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:54 pm I don't like Tangrowth's response to my red check.
I was fine with it.
You didn't think it seemed a little OTT?

We've met right, lol.

Okay, here, stumbling around for a bit.

Time may be harder to come by today than I imagined, but I'll be back later tonight for at least something. Thanks to everyone pushing the game and investigation forward.

I still need to try to walk away for real for a bit, my heart, lol.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:50 pm Very well. I rescind my red check claim on Tangrowth.

what the fuck srflasdhnfljdahfildajhf

Thank you lol.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:47 pm @Tangrowth do you know Hawk from before this game?

I don't think so, why?

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:44 pm
Tangrowth wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:40 pm I'd really rather not fucking die though because of this, so yeah... if this is a reaction test or something, Alison, please rescind it within enough time.
Do you townread Alison?

I don't know. I had some hesitation on her yesterday, but my gut thinks she looks better in light of nutella's flip (need to confirm through digging or look at Jay's thing if he's going to ISO Alison), so my inclination is that she's town. Additionally, I certainly don't know why she would be doing this right now if she were scum, it doesn't make sense to me.

I'll do some digging later, I'm multitasking anyway and this is upsetting.

Seriously fuck role madness right now.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:40 pm @Tangrowth if you're town you might as well just carry on with your solving.

Sigh.

I'd really rather not fucking die though because of this, so yeah... if this is a reaction test or something, Alison, please rescind it within enough time.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:36 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:36 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:34 pm Also I have a red check on Tangrowth.

[VOTE: Tangrowth] aubergine
Why did you target Tangrowth?
Because she defended nutella really hard and I thought it would be helpful to see why she did that.

Shrugs, I wouldn't say I consistently defended her really hard, but yeah, I thought she was town.

I don't have much else to say about it, it's incorrect information, possible that in a madnessy game that something got flipped I guess. I don't know why Alison would lie.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:34 pm Also I have a red check on Tangrowth.

[VOTE: Tangrowth] aubergine

I don't see how that's possible.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:32 pm
Tangrowth wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:30 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:29 pm Owner is still a prime suspect. I have no reason off-hand to change that view.
I don't really know what to make of her, I think the most suspect thing she's done is shade various people without really... seeming like solving or anything? I need to see how she's trying to contribute to that, you know. At least, that's what I think offhand.
This doubles as a good paraphrase of how nutella was pushing owner

Before nutella wagon took off

So

Probably not partners imo

Hmmm... yeah, it's hard to know because if scum were getting disproportionate votes and attention, especially down the stretch, you wonder how much comfortable or not they'd have felt bussing. I imagine nutella would be okay with bussing too. But that shouldn't negate the perspective you're providing here either.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:31 pm
Tangrowth wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:29 pm
Allcrab wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:26 pm I generally find it weird when the possibility of ultra low volume wolf busses active wolf comes up but nutella seemed like they got railroaded so early maybe that thought is valid.
It's a good question, you'd think if Made and/or Owner were also scum, they'd prefer one of them to go than nutella from a thread presence perspective.
The notion of role strength also applies -- and nutella's role at least seems like it could be a strong one. The dynamic of Day 1 dictates a lot of decision making given that nutella was a runaway wagon for a while. If Made is mafia, then I suspect teammates of both were keen to chop him instead when he became the counterwagon. There's a lot of wifom in this so I will grain of salt it until I can review things more carefully.

Yeah, that's a really good point.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:29 pm Owner is still a prime suspect. I have no reason off-hand to change that view.

I don't really know what to make of her, I think the most suspect thing she's done is shade various people without really... seeming like solving or anything? I need to see how she's trying to contribute to that, you know. At least, that's what I think offhand.

hawkataine wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:28 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:23 pm
hawkataine wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:21 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:19 pm I'd like to blast into my token interactive analyses. That's going to be challenging with 900 players especially as I am getting quite busy outside this game. Who wants to volunteer to help old man Jay out with some names?
idk what exactly you mean by this but I currently have a 24x24 chart I'm filling out with teaming likelihood colours lmao
I have literally never seen a human do that who isn't me (that exact kind of colored matrix). Please carry on hawkwataine. Please carry on.
omg amazing news

omg I'm so excited right now.

Allcrab wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:26 pm I generally find it weird when the possibility of ultra low volume wolf busses active wolf comes up but nutella seemed like they got railroaded so early maybe that thought is valid.

It's a good question, you'd think if Made and/or Owner were also scum, they'd prefer one of them to go than nutella from a thread presence perspective.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:24 pm
Tangrowth wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:19 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:19 pm I'd like to blast into my token interactive analyses. That's going to be challenging with 900 players especially as I am getting quite busy outside this game. Who wants to volunteer to help old man Jay out with some names?
Feel free to throw some at me and I can give it a try, of course my analyses will probably be different and I'm feeling pretty rusty, but I want to!
Rust is fine; you bring a fresh perspective. You could grab a couple of lower post count names or one bigger one. Belzy is a name that interests me.

That sounds good! I could try Belzy unless you want to know the results of that one more urgently, in which case I can take a higher post count person that doesn't seem as urgent.

Allcrab wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:24 pm
Tangrowth wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:22 pm I actually also believe it could have been w/w, but it's hard to say. Made just doesn't have much content to judge.
But could it have been w/w/w

Brain explode.

hawkataine wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:21 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:19 pm I'd like to blast into my token interactive analyses. That's going to be challenging with 900 players especially as I am getting quite busy outside this game. Who wants to volunteer to help old man Jay out with some names?
idk what exactly you mean by this but I currently have a 24x24 chart I'm filling out with teaming likelihood colours lmao

omg yes excitement.

I actually also believe it could have been w/w, but it's hard to say. Made just doesn't have much content to judge.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:21 pm Assessing the Made wagon requires answering one core question first: what is Made's alignment? At face value I think his nutella vote is bussing-compatible. The only reason to doubt that is that his wagon swelled all the way to 7 votes. That might be the more important factor.

It actually reached 8 votes and a tie for like a millisecond, unless my eyes deceived me or there was a poll glitch. I didn't have the presence of mind to screen cap it before it returned to 8-7. This was within seconds of the poll closing. Someone needs to own up to that.

No, there was definitely a tie, I saw it too.

Are role madness closed setup games common on PerC?

I'll probably be multitasking until the evening though, so I think I'll work on digging then.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:19 pm I'd like to blast into my token interactive analyses. That's going to be challenging with 900 players especially as I am getting quite busy outside this game. Who wants to volunteer to help old man Jay out with some names?

Feel free to throw some at me and I can give it a try, of course my analyses will probably be different and I'm feeling pretty rusty, but I want to!

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:16 pm
Dana wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:14 pm good morning! anyone know what a factional kill modifier does? I couldn't seem to find any information from searching that term
I don't figure we're meant to know. Could be someone that can make a kill untraceable or unblockable or something. Not a bad role to destroy first if so.

I don't think I've really seen the term much either.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:12 pm @Tangrowth

This is your last readlist

https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 84#p795384

Wanna explain why all low posters and LHFs are in your PoE, do you have preference towards active players?

I would say that your characterization is a bit reductive, but sure, those players were at the time in my POE because I didn't have a reason to townread them at the time, which on D1 especially is heavily informed by having posts to make that assessment on. There's also a comfort level I have more quickly reading players I know, and as we've talked about in the thread already, those players also happened to be heavily from TS in terms of post volume so far.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:11 pm Quality trolling from nutella, but it might have cleared people. I don't care about wifom. Long Con town from that, anyone?

I was thinking that's also likely, he seemed to have no clue at all. As much as I've burned by Long Con theatrics before... lol. I still think so, yeah.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:10 pm
Tangrowth wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:07 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:06 pm @Actvscenei
@Tangrowth

Welcome to my towncore
Yay!! Why?
Act is spewed town by Nutella's push on her early Day 1.

You, call it a gut read.

Thanks!

hawkataine wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:09 pm niiiiiiiice

I would like to start today by apologising for generally explaining nothing at the end of yesterday, I was very overwhelmed by the thread speed and things happening irl around me xD sometimes I just vote to make things interesting and it looks bad but uh now I have sus on owner so that's something that's come out of it at least

good job everyone who stayed on nutella lol

omg it's so valid to be overwhelmed always.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:07 pm
Tangrowth wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:05 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:01 pm Interesting
Talk to me, Sloonei, what are you thinking?
That it’s neat no one died. Alison is poisoned, and it is implied there are mechanics which can save her but I doubt that would be an absolute guarantee.

I’m reserving judgment on most folks until I’ve had a chance to review yesterday’s action.

Yeah gosh, it's been so long since I've played role madness it feels like, and a closed setup is like... still sort of foreign to my roots even if those are ancient history by now.

Yeah, I feel like I need to restart my reads still despite having the night to mull over things with the new information.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:06 pm @Actvscenei
@Tangrowth

Welcome to my towncore

Yay!! Why?

lol, I DON'T want.

Tangrowth wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:06 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:04 pm
Tangrowth wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:03 pm I'm not sure how much time I'll have for interactives this phase, but I really want to do some.
This is a big part of my plan today as well. But I’d also like to spend some time engaged in real time interactions. I have free time this phase.
Yay!!! Unfortunately I have lots of grading to do, uh, but as an addict I'll be around. So I'm hoping for a healthy mix too. I don't think I could do all the interactives by myself, even if I'd want to, so maybe you, Jay, and I can split a load or something?

Of course, I want to cramp your or Jay's style either. Anything is fine. I just feel like I really want to work more actively with people today.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:04 pm
Tangrowth wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:03 pm I'm not sure how much time I'll have for interactives this phase, but I really want to do some.
This is a big part of my plan today as well. But I’d also like to spend some time engaged in real time interactions. I have free time this phase.

Yay!!! Unfortunately I have lots of grading to do, uh, but as an addict I'll be around. So I'm hoping for a healthy mix too. I don't think I could do all the interactives by myself, even if I'd want to, so maybe you, Jay, and I can split a load or something?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:01 pm Interesting

Talk to me, Sloonei, what are you thinking?

I'm not sure how much time I'll have for interactives this phase, but I really want to do some.

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