The Syndicate

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 6:01 pm @LinearPoint

How confident are you that Gavial is mafia?

I’d say 70/30 he’s Mafia.
His posts come across as overly defensive and attempting to reason and bargain which to me I see more from Mafia than town.

Cream&Cannoli Enterprises wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 5:39 pm @LinearPoint btw, why are you voting Gav if you think he might be PR?

infolynch?

Of the two I still think he’s more likely to be Mafia and yeah he does give more info if he is lynched over Urist.

Urist just hasn’t stuck me as obvious Mafia and Gav has had quite a few questionable posts.

Somehow phone thought solves should be autocorrected to wolves.

1 better than none.
I think Urist only really wolves Gav and that’s if Urist flips Mafia.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 5:18 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 5:17 pm Either way 1 Mafia is on Gav’s wagon. If Gav is Mafia I’d say it’s not Urist, probably it’s NAA of Srceen (probs srceen)
Nah, I think Srceen is town

Spoilers. I don’t need Mafia telling me my reads are wrong

Joking aside I think Gav solves at least a few people either way he flips.

Either way 1 Mafia is on Gav’s wagon. If Gav is Mafia I’d say it’s not Urist, probably it’s NAA of Srceen (probs srceen)

I don’t really see Mafia wanting to avoid bussing Gav right now. It can only really be Town or a Mafia bus.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 5:12 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 5:05 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 4:57 pm Lol NAA, LP, Urist and Screenplay are all on Gavi.

Hell nah to the nope nope nope.
The funny thing is, you take issue to those 4 names. For me, the other two who joined give me pause... Not enough to unvote though.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 5:09 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 4:57 pm Lol NAA, LP, Urist and Screenplay are all on Gavi.

Hell nah to the nope nope nope.
Odd you don’t mention Nook who you both scum read and silently slid their vote over to the wagon without a word.
Mid meld, I think this makes you bad at mafia.

I never said I was good. I’m just insane.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 4:57 pm Lol NAA, LP, Urist and Screenplay are all on Gavi.

Hell nah to the nope nope nope.

Odd you don’t mention Nook who you both scum read and silently slid their vote over to the wagon without a word.

Alright I'll accept that take for now. Gavial being offed either today or tomorrow is fine with me.

I'm thinking TvT seems a bit less likely though and definitely not MvM.

Honestly I think I will say this even if it hurts in the long run.
I think Gavial is a PR role. He's been saying things like "I hope people realize" and I interrupt it as him trying to say that he's been hinting he is non-vanilla Town.
I think he will just self resolve tonight either dying to Mafia or claiming a PR tomorrow and if neither of those are the case then he is Mafia trying to soft claim a PR without coming out since he knows the Mafia has no reason not to kill PR claims at night and wouldn't be softing a PR role as a VT who is about to be lynched.

I suppose that is also true. TBF I don't really have experience with Gavial either.
I do still find it weird though how unwavering he is in his reads to the point I don't think it's reasonable considering he hasn't even really backed them up much.
He's either been deemed a lost cause to the Mafia and is getting bussed or just is a pretty wolfy town.
Either way it looks like he's going to be the lynch of the day.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 4:09 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 2:53 am
Gavial wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 2:35 am Every game.
Or he’s Townie that Wolf Reads Town.

It’s a bit of both of the 2 this game.
He’s Wolf or Wolfy.
And Wolf Reads Me, which is Town.
This doesn't make sense to me since he said he would never wolf read you not that long ago.
I assume you mean that he is wolf reading me and that I'm Town, although I don't see how you would know that without being Mafia.
Futhermore this looks like shade by saying that he tends to wolf read Town as Town. To be honest, that is pretty much the norm as no one can realistically be expected to be 100% accurate with all their reads.

I don't agree with policy lynching people as it is almost never a good idea since you just do not know at this point in time if NAA is a power role and that is exactly what happened to MightyQ in the game you just hosted and that ended poorly for Town.

I also don't see merit is scum reading people who are scum reading me. I don't care if people scum read me or town read me as any faction as I've learned trying to convince people to change their minds rarely happens.
Right now Urist has not posted anything that appears AI to me. The worst I can really say about Urist at the moment is their posts do not really have much substance which is enough for a slight scumlean from me, but that also is not something I really consider lynchworthy unless it becomes excessively not posting anything but fluff.

The reasons I am still scum reading you at this point in time are as follows.
As NAA, pointed out you are getting extremely defensive and starting a 3rd wagon rather than really addressing the votes on you aside from saying that you hope I realize you're town and that NAA should be ignored.
You also insist that I can never be Mafia when I really have not done anything this game that I would do differently if I were Mafia and pretty much just ignore the reasons for others voting me. To me this feels like you both know my alignment which would mean you'd have to be Mafia and that you want to try and keep me alive later into the game which can only mean one of two things, either you're extremely confident that I am capable of leading the Town or that you hope that I would side with you in a Lylo scenario.
You have also been doing things that I have in the past commonly seen Mafia doing. Namely what I pointed out previously with admitting a post to be possibly interrupted as scummy and being very defensive when even a slight accusation occurs.
While I can't say I'm 100% sure you can't be Town I'll leave my vote on you unless I really see something more indicative of scum from another player. This is just behavior I see more likely to be coming from scum, at least 4 to 1.
Also, @LinearPoint what has changed for you since this point? You still don't seem to have any confident reads outside of this... And Gavial's play hasn't exactly changed.

Honestly am just trying to do some wagon analysis at the moment, but I do also feel like Gavial seems to be the kind of person who does wolfy things as town.
They are legitimately all over the place and a bit hard to really read. Either I'm over thinking it and they are just wolf or they are just a townie who is not thinking that much about how their posts look from the perspective of people who don't know their alignment.
I still don't really like that they haven't posted sufficient evidence for the scum read on Urist and Nanook in my opinion.
In short Gavial is weird.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 4:05 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 4:02 pm I'm thinking there is 2 scum in Gavial, Nutella, and Srceen.
nah i'm town and really think gav is too

where does this idea come from, why these names

My current red reads.
Honestly not much more in depth than that.
I view each of them as having been wolfy in some way day 1 though don't think all of them are.

I don't see the Mafia as being inactive here with likely just 1 of them being among the non-posters.
There's a lot of people who are voting and ignoring the two wagons which I don't see Mafia really doing even if both wagons are Town.

Since there is so much action here It seems likely that it's either just TvT in which case the Mafia are just splitting their votes so it doesn't matter.
Or one of Gavial and Urist are Mafia and the Mafia is trying to avoid offing one of them in the case of Urist being Mafia, or just giving up on Gavial and bussing him.

I say that I don't have a good read on Urist at the moment, but I guess that is not 100% true. Their push to Gavial did seem a little opportunistic as at least 3 others were scum reading him at that time and the wagon on me wasn't really moving much.
But Urist also hasn't really been on the extreme defensive like Gavial, which is why I'm putting Gavial as probably Mafia and at worst I suspect it is a TvT which is why I'm pushing Nutella.

I'm thinking there is 2 scum in Gavial, Nutella, and Srceen.
I've also still yet to get a solid read on NAA or Urist.
I;m thinking it's likely the Mafia went 1 on each or if it is Gavial just bussing him.

Neither of these wagons are pure. I'll more my vote to Nutella for now as I'm still thinking they are Mafia.
Though if I had to choose between Gavial and Urist i'd vote Gavial out today. I believe we have 3 hours left though, so I'll only switch to that if we're almost out of time to avoid the chances of Gavial being a Doublevoter.

srceenplay wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 12:51 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 12:40 pm bad vibes from srceenplay
well there went that buddy shit

It was more just the interaction Nuetlla had with sheeping you in RVS.
I mean Mafia need to be pretty ballsy to actively sheep each other.

The only thing giving me pause is I also don't think Srceenplay is town atm and I don't see both Srceen and Nutella flipping Mafia.
They are too buddy for that.

I want to hear more from Nutella because this post sounds like they were RVSing.

Spoiler: show

But this post implies they were scum reading me.

Spoiler: show

And I want to hear from them why this is not an attempt to retroactively justify a bad vote?
Beacuse right now if I had to bet between Urist, Nanook, and Nutella I would say Nutella would be the most likely one to flip red at this moment.

Wiggly I think is my first confident town read this game.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 11:07 am Weird ass transition between RVS and day 1 proper this game.

Felt like Gavi and LP accelerated it, which I like in spite of an LP post that rubbed me the wrong way.

Bot of y'all nerds are scum calling Screenplay. Porque?

That’s what I’m here for. To light a fire and see what happens.
People tell a lot when they are under pressure

Alright I got a brief time before I go in the morn.

At this point I find it hard to believe the entire Mafia is Town reading me when they can just coast and vote me for a free lynch which guarantees at least one of NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, nutella, and Urist are Mafia.

But even still I do also heavily suspect Srceenplay for that last post.
I don't see how anyone could legitimately believe in a scum v scum D1 thunderdome as being the most likely play Mafia would make. That seems far more like someone just wanted to ensure that after I'm lynched that Gavial just gets tunneled day 2 and anyone else gets ignored. They also aren't voting either of us which is odd for someone proposing that we're both Mafia.

I’m going to bed and will be busy for most of tomorrow and so I might not get to post again before day end.
Should I die I recommend copping Gavial if we have one and pushing those inactive day 1 to post reads and if not threaten them with a lynch.

Gavial wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 2:35 am Every game.
Or he’s Townie that Wolf Reads Town.

It’s a bit of both of the 2 this game.
He’s Wolf or Wolfy.
And Wolf Reads Me, which is Town.

This doesn't make sense to me since he said he would never wolf read you not that long ago.
I assume you mean that he is wolf reading me and that I'm Town, although I don't see how you would know that without being Mafia.
Futhermore this looks like shade by saying that he tends to wolf read Town as Town. To be honest, that is pretty much the norm as no one can realistically be expected to be 100% accurate with all their reads.

I don't agree with policy lynching people as it is almost never a good idea since you just do not know at this point in time if NAA is a power role and that is exactly what happened to MightyQ in the game you just hosted and that ended poorly for Town.

I also don't see merit is scum reading people who are scum reading me. I don't care if people scum read me or town read me as any faction as I've learned trying to convince people to change their minds rarely happens.
Right now Urist has not posted anything that appears AI to me. The worst I can really say about Urist at the moment is their posts do not really have much substance which is enough for a slight scumlean from me, but that also is not something I really consider lynchworthy unless it becomes excessively not posting anything but fluff.

The reasons I am still scum reading you at this point in time are as follows.
As NAA, pointed out you are getting extremely defensive and starting a 3rd wagon rather than really addressing the votes on you aside from saying that you hope I realize you're town and that NAA should be ignored.
You also insist that I can never be Mafia when I really have not done anything this game that I would do differently if I were Mafia and pretty much just ignore the reasons for others voting me. To me this feels like you both know my alignment which would mean you'd have to be Mafia and that you want to try and keep me alive later into the game which can only mean one of two things, either you're extremely confident that I am capable of leading the Town or that you hope that I would side with you in a Lylo scenario.
You have also been doing things that I have in the past commonly seen Mafia doing. Namely what I pointed out previously with admitting a post to be possibly interrupted as scummy and being very defensive when even a slight accusation occurs.
While I can't say I'm 100% sure you can't be Town I'll leave my vote on you unless I really see something more indicative of scum from another player. This is just behavior I see more likely to be coming from scum, at least 4 to 1.

Honestly NAA is kind of right at the moment, you're jumping around from topic to topic replying to each post individually.
You clearly need something to focus on, so I just want to know your exact reasoning for the Urist vote in a somewhat concise statement.
Furthermore what is your read on NAA? I see a lot of heated posts between you, but I want to hear your actual read.

Why you are thinking Urist is more likely to be scum over NAA?
Since clearly you are scum reading both of them.

I'm curious if you have anything more about Urist?
I mean that post you quoted just looks like a joke aimed at the mod.

Honestly 24 hours isn't much time to work with for day 1, so I'm more just wanting to to get something going and getting people to do stuff.
TBH I'm not really opposed to lynching myself just because the fact so many people have given reads on me to the point where It's probably advantages just to get connections.
I'm not 100% sure about Gavial, but I'm leaning a more towards it being Mafia, though I want to see a proper response from him about my accusation to really be able to tell.

Honestly yeah I just like ISO. Normal view is only really useful for catching up.

Well the thing like "Ah I see how you think that"
I've found Mafia find their posts more suspicious than the average person and are more willing to admit they made a scummy post even when it was just one post that may or may not have even been incredibly damming.

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 10:05 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 9:37 pm
Urist wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 9:24 pm it's pretty wild how many townreads LP is getting from people who don't even know their meta.
Well the ones who have are going off of the last game I played.
Even still I don't think I like Gaviel's read on me since I've not played with them only played in a game they hosted.
Plus there is this post
Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 9:22 pm I’ll Town lean LP but late game if Nutella, Nanook and Srceenplay are all Town I’ll probably vote LP.
It was a very quick walkback from them saying I'm town for the past few posts and saying they are fine with lynching me if everyone who is voting me flips Town.
It comes across to me as an attempt to both try and sheep/pocket my vote for late game while leaving wiggle room if it comes down to a 1v2 scenario where they are the last Mafia and I'm not dead.
I don't like it at all.

[VOTE: Gaviel] aubergine
Ah I see how you think that.
Didn’t realize it at first that it can come across that way.

Also I said I’ll probably consider voting you. As the initial reason I TL you was due to that fast growth of a wagon.
(I also liked that one response you gave to NAA.)

I'll be honest with you. I've heard this exact quote before and they weren't Town.

Urist wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 9:24 pm it's pretty wild how many townreads LP is getting from people who don't even know their meta.

Well the ones who have are going off of the last game I played.
Even still I don't think I like Gaviel's read on me since I've not played with them only played in a game they hosted.
Plus there is this post

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 9:22 pm I’ll Town lean LP but late game if Nutella, Nanook and Srceenplay are all Town I’ll probably vote LP.

It was a very quick walkback from them saying I'm town for the past few posts and saying they are fine with lynching me if everyone who is voting me flips Town.
It comes across to me as an attempt to both try and sheep/pocket my vote for late game while leaving wiggle room if it comes down to a 1v2 scenario where they are the last Mafia and I'm not dead.
I don't like it at all.

[VOTE: Gaviel] aubergine

I find it interesting two people seem convinced I cannot be Mafia and two people wanting me dead when I have yet to really do anything AI.
Ya'll should wait a bit before coming to such conclusions.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 9:03 pm
srceenplay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 8:05 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 7:02 pm Sushi always goes bad quickly, probably was the Sushi.
This person is fo sure bad
The first lesson of playing with srceenplay is that yes, the R does come before the C

The second lesson is to sheep srceenplay

Since I am dyslexic I elect to ignore this spelling and substitute it with my own.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 8:56 pm Screenplay is mildly entertaining, y'all know what that means for his alignment.

Nope, I do not.

srceenplay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 8:54 pm Are voted final?

Nah, rules said they aren't.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 8:52 pm Linear point has a god read on me, you should always sheep them and instant kill them if they ever scum read me.

I know your psychology tricks. They don't work on me. I'm too thick.

Urist wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 8:37 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 8:34 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 8:32 pm Tee Bee Aech I'll probably end up sheeping Urist all game because he's towny, and also possibly the best player on site.
Alright, I'm fine with offing someone planning on coasting.
making the decision an hour into d1 that you want to kill the slacker seems a lot like coasting

If I off everyone but myself only Town remain, so it's a win-win-win to me.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 8:32 pm Tee Bee Aech I'll probably end up sheeping Urist all game because he's towny, and also possibly the best player on site.

Alright, I'm fine with offing someone planning on coasting.

Urist wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 8:22 pm if i were to vote someone this game it'd be notanaxehole, because we are not partners and i am town

By that logic wouldn't everyone be a target?

You're an odd one.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 8:15 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 8:13 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 8:12 pm Dunya says 24/24, why not so 1/24?
Is that a challenge?

[VOTE: NotAnAxehole] aubergine

Lets race then.
I am definitively not partners with LinearPoint.

That definitively sounds like you're trying to imply we are when you flip red.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 8:12 pm Dunya says 24/24, why not so 1/24?

Is that a challenge?

[VOTE: NotAnAxehole] aubergine

Lets race then.

srceenplay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 8:05 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 7:02 pm Sushi always goes bad quickly, probably was the Sushi.
This person is fo sure bad

Sounds like something Sushi would say.

We going zoomies today.

Sushi always goes bad quickly, probably was the Sushi.

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