The Syndicate

Like I’ve even seen goons claiming something like cop and just using the Mafia Rolecop’s check results.

Yeah honestly let this be a lesson in why you should just lunch someone who has the exact same investigation results as a confirmed Mafia who was not that role.

To be honest the first check made it look really convincing that it was Sane.
I just find it a bit funny all the checks on Scotty N1 were fake.

Yeah, I think everyone just got too heated to take a step back and properly look at all the information laid out.
But honestly I think SoA should probably have been considered town off the fact that his results didn't seem obviously faked.
I'm like 90% sure a Mafia Oracle would intentionally mislead the Town with the results, but he was getting semi useful to usleess results.

I swear Town lost this game from the inability to read the thread lol.

I mean what was more likely, the fact that SoA and MM were both lying despite MM hard bussing the most experienced player in the Mafia D2 or the fact that Paopan was just lying?

Oracle was correct though. He said MM was not Sane.
And he wasn't.

Like I said day 3, Random Doctor sounds like a Mafia Negative Utility role.
Not to mention Mafia Doctor to counter Town Poisoner.
Lots of reasons for Doctor to be Mafia this game.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 9:26 pm

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 4:09 am Hey guys. I forgot about this game. I learned that the lie in this setup is that there is no sane cop btw

This is the reason I discounted Paopan/Jack as a possibility

But, doesn't this just confirm that Paopan has to be lying?
You killed every single information role except Paopan. So it confirms he is lying by process of elimination.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 9:23 pm I 100% don't get how we got fake claims from town roles

I dunno, you tell me Jester.

Well, we did it. All Cops are no more.

So I don’t get fried duck?
Lame

I’ll tell you what I want. To know what CFD means because my mind went to country fried duck and I somehow think that is incorrect.

Yeah she can wait until she realizes she has free will.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 3:39 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 3:38 pm Well we were told when Falcon died his role was false and niegan Scotty not Wiggly flipped False role so we can assume Scotty was actually a Ninja and Wiggly seeing him kill LC wouldn’t be possible

This game is false

You’re false

Well we were told when Falcon died his role was false and niegan Scotty not Wiggly flipped False role so we can assume Scotty was actually a Ninja and Wiggly seeing him kill LC wouldn’t be possible

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 3:34 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 3:32 pm Actually just realized Scotty was Ninja so Wiggly couldn’t have seen him. That’s probably why Scotty was caught off guard he was worried that his Ninja was a fake role

Something was fake.

I assume Scotty actually did kill Wiggly and was genuinely confused how he got seen, but Wiggly just made it up and was actually correct.

Actually just realized Scotty was Ninja so Wiggly couldn’t have seen him. That’s probably why Scotty was caught off guard he was worried that his Ninja was a fake role

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 3:06 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 3:05 pm Well we know the N1 faction kill was Scotty as Wiggly actually didn't really have a reason to make that up.

Didn't Wilgy need Scotty to die before him though?

Yes, but honestly he probably just got that result. I mean he took a huge not really necessary risk if he didn't actually watch LC and Scotty.

Well we know the N1 faction kill was Scotty as Wiggly actually didn't really have a reason to make that up.

We haven't had a confirmed kill from a Serial Killer.

I'll bring Ruri to L-1.

I'm still skeptical Mafia ever claims that, but I don't really have strong scum reads on the wagon.
I just don't like Paopan or Michelle's claims and I don't know how I feel about scumreading literally all the informative roles in the game.
I suppose it's probably for the best Ruri dies today.

Yeah Ruri is honestly just weird. But theoretically if they are lying they have to say they targeted a Mafia N3.
Then if Ruri is lynched D4 we know 2 Mafia if Ruri flips Mafia without being a 1-shot Giver Cop.
I suppose though thinking about it they claimed to have 2 modifiers and so far the only roles with multiple modifiers were Scotty and Wiggly both non-town.

I thought it was 3, might have been 2.

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 2:45 pm maybe let Ruri self resolve by giving the cop to someone you protect?

Well an issues with that.
I cannot protect them otherwise I get the Cop and I cannot be protected so that defeats the purpose.

Like what Mafia looks at a wagon formed on them and thinks the best possible defense would be to claim they don't know what their role does and admit they haven't used an arguably strong ability yet?
I think we should have Ruri use their ability tonight and lynch someone else. I just find the other claims more suspicious than Ruri's since at least Ruri is claiming a reasonable role imo.
Of course Ruri can't actually say who they target because it's not like we can protect that player with a Random Doctor and they'd need to survive until day 5 to actually be able to use the Cop check.

Plus the fact that a second 1-shot sane cop isn't actually outside the realm of possibility for balance.
Between Michelle and Ruri's claim Michelle's is honestly far less believable as a restrictionless Cop when we have a confirmed 1-Shot Cop and a claimed 1-Shot Give Cop.
I just don't really believe Mafia would make Ruri's claim ever.

11 I believe. So half of that is 6 to lynch.

I still cannot really fathom why a Mafia would ever think that claiming what is effectively 1-shot cop that hasn't acted until N3 is ever going to be a good idea.
Even if they are Mafia with that exact role a fake claim would be safer than admitting you didn't ever act.

So Ruri is L-2 right now if I can infact count.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 2:27 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 2:11 pm Hey NAA, if you want to win you should help me out Paopan since Mafia Lie Detector is problematic for your claim.

Odds of Paopan checking me correctly = low.

I hate that is a valid statement.

Hey NAA, if you want to win you should help me out Paopan since Mafia Lie Detector is problematic for your claim.

I had a stroke typing guarantee

Guatearte you he is more likely than not just a Vengeful Bomb or something stupid.

Tbh the prospect of lunching jester to end this madness is appealing.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 2:03 pm Can someone just vig NAA and we call it good?

:3

I would, but I can’t.

Also if I’m understanding this right.
Ruri is effectively claiming the same thing as MM, only Ruri gives someone else 1-shot Sane Cop.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 2:00 pm Given that most roles are probably Modified, it's probably a Modified Jester if it exists.

For example. Wiggly.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:59 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:21 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:18 pm Also, I'm not dying today, so a push today doesn't help my wincon.

doesn't a jester win if yeeted?

What I would like to know is: does everyone else lose if a jester is yeeted?

That 100% depends on which version of which Jester is used. Sometimes yes sometimes no

Jester is too simple for this game.

Just something other than you didn’t read the thread because that is what it seems like the reasons were.

Those sound arguably more complex than this though.
What is the actual reason for your checks.

Either way NAA being checked by a Lie Detector feels like a Scotty telling Paopan to do so.

Call me paranoid but I think there is a legitimate possibility of SoA being Mafia which is why they didn't check him and instead went to see on the off chance NAA was actually a VT.
I can see NAA actually doing that sort of joke claim as a VT and Scotty was probably wanting it confirmed that he wasn't infact a VT.
Mafia not having daychat would mean that Scotty hoped that NAA was actually a VT like his gut said and claimed so, but Paopan not having read just accidentally CCed him and gave the real result.

I think I'm going to vote Paopan. I just can't overlook how bad those checks are and the fact that Scotty claimed Paopan's N1 results which were objectively on a really weird target.
And N2 Paopan didn't target the Oracle claim which we were discussing for him to do so.
I don't see how this cannot be Mafia. Even if he is claiming to be newbie, he claimed this is his 5th game and these are huge mistakes I don't see someone with that experience really making.

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 7:03 am @alexa
@Jackofhearts2005
@MafiaMenace
@LinearPoint
please read my last posts and give me your ideas


Everyone else can join and give inputs

Should I add NAA wants a thunderdome tomorrow? There is no way a townie can think like this, for town there is never a better moment than toDay, right now, asap, immediatly.
His mindset is one of a wolf who needs time to get rid of towniest people before such match

being honest I don't see those posts as Scotty Townreading NAA, just him pointing out that he does that a lot as scum and town.
And saying that Scotty's early interactions were with Alexa and NAA isn't really anything since early on those were the people posting a lot and he also talked with me a bit from what I remember.
That last line is also just bad because all 3 of those names are confirmed Town so its just kind of pointless to even say it.

Ultimately I don't disagree that NAA could be Mafia just trying to get read as TWTBW, but my current concern lies in the fact that we have a large number of information roles being claimed to the point it's impossible for all of you, Ruri, Paopan, and SoA to be Town.

The last line of day start says that he died to his own role plus his Role cannot die at night in the first place.

Wiggly self terminated.
His role was night immune, but he committed suicide because he failed his wincon.

Well Mac was the only kill of the night so I'd say Mafia Kill 9 times out of 10.