The Syndicate

Wait you're saying that NAA is actually not lying about being a Vanilla Townie?

But that would mean both Mac and MM are claiming Sane Cop.

But personally I consider FBI Agent to be a Cop.
So I would assume the 2 Cops are Mac and MM.

I mean Scotty is right the Mafia might have been given a useless role in the form of a Cop.

I still stand by Wiggly ain't telling the truth in a million years about that track.
But I find it hard to believe you just didn't bother to read the end of day 1 and then chose a joke claim.
Even if Mac was self resolving it was at least a better check as you can fake Cop.

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sat Nov 13, 2021 11:30 am Seein' as I might die here, figure I'll just claim. My role ain't that great, but I'm a town oracle. I get information about the setup each night.

No good claims?
Oracle is super easy to fake.

Plus a legitimate bad check when there was a real claim from SoA.

Honestly I already said my reasons for believing the Lie Detector to be Mafia and not Town.
It's very useful for the Mafia and the Town was given 2 Cops in the Setup.

I think regardless we probably need a claim from Scotty now.

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Sun Nov 14, 2021 6:14 pm dw dr wilgy ive come to save the day
hardclaim cop with a red check on scotty

Now the question becomes does FBI Agent count as Cop enough to be considered the "Sane Cop" making you Insane or is Scotty genuinely just Mafia who got very unlucky being randomly pushed by Wiggly and getting legitimately checked N1.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Nov 14, 2021 6:13 pm If I decided to do it, it would be better

I'm genuinely surprised this was not followed up by the activation of Gladiator.

Well given there is an FBI Agent claim, the setup says there is at least 1 3rd Party role, and we have an Oracle claiming 2+ 3rd Parties were revealed.
I would say that there are numerous things pointing towards the existence of a Serial Killer.
The only way there isn't would be for SoA to be lying and for the 3rd Party role to not be a Serial Killer and for there to be a 2nd useless Town role in Mac (or Mac is lying as well).

I do have a quick question for Mac though. Is it Serial Killer or all 3rd party roles?
I know it's usually just SK, but was wondering about the wording.

MacDougall's role implies there has to be a Serial Killer.
Well the Mod can just not include a Serial Killer in which case he is more a Miller checker.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Nov 14, 2021 5:58 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 14, 2021 5:51 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 14, 2021 3:18 pm I am an FBI Agent ... I check for serial killers. There's confirmed a serial killer in this game. Alexa claimed KP. Alexa is the serial killer.
here it is again
How does your role supposedly work? You just tell at clouds on N1 and god tells you a SK exists?

What do you do the rest of the game?

He's literally just a Cop.
Only instead of getting "Mafia or Not Mafia" he gets "Serial Killer or not Serial Killer"

I am having a bit of doubts about Alexa though considering they didn't even hesitate to believe Wiggly's claim and had pushed MightQ to be lynched over SoA in the last minute bandwagon.

Honestly as I said before I don't believe the amount of Informative roles being claimed and a Tracker is something I very severely doubt is real considering we effectively have 2 dead conditional Trackers so an unconditional Tracker is not to the power level of this game.
Wiggly is definitely lying and it wasn't a very convincing lie.

Not to mention the possibility of Roleblockers, Communters, Bulletproof which the Serial Killer is pretty much guaranteed to be otherwise they'd have no chance to win.

There is also the chance with 3 kills in one night for 2 to be on the same person.

I mean being honest a Vigilante isn't really out of the question either and I doubt an SK would claim Vigilante first thing day 2 and risk being CCd by a Vigilante or even a PGO would be a concerning claim to be up against.

I doubt the host will clarify as to whether or not Falcon was considered Vanilla. I think he was not though.

So I went to check and while I am not 100% sure what the host is deciding to call Vanilla, but according to MafiaScum Wiki and MafiaUniverse Wiki (which I consider to be the two most commonly used referenses for role naming and ruleings) both of them say that Vanilla only refers to Mafia Goon, Vanilla Townie, and sometimes Serial Killer or other 3-rd Party roles with no modifiers.

Notably any role which is named even if the role is considered not Vanilla.
Furthermore as far as False roles are considered they are considered to be the role they say they are, but their role does nothing. Rolecop for example would see Falcon as a Framer under these conditions.

Well I guess an SK variant like Poisoner or Arsonist is possible.
A really scary thing I actually just rememebred though would be Cult. The host did say there is Bastard elements and you can't get much more bastard than a Cult.

And probably no, I doubt Cops know their sanity as it's rare (I think) to tell them.
They probbaly need to check 2 nights to actually figure it out.

I mean Oracle could also be insane I suppose.

There just is not a lot of viable 3rd party roles to even use as I doubt they are anything complex based on the roles flipped.

SK, Jester, Survivor, Lyncheer, and...?
I can't think of anything else.

Depends on the third party I suppose.
But what concerns me about the 3rd parties is that there was 2 kills and I'd be very surprised if Serial Killer isn't one of the 3rd parties.

Ultimately it doesn't matter too much as I highly doubt the false rule would have been that there wasn't a pointless role. There is dozens of ways to make a role pointless.
I'd probably wager the false information is the no redirection roles of any kind. The only others that would make sense to be fake are the Cops and lie Detector information.
Like there being only one cop for example (be it sane or insane) or just no lie detector to make people paranoid.

Yeah I really wasn't sure since it was placed directly after compulsive.

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Nov 14, 2021 2:10 pm falcon's role was the pointless role i assume

I mean depends on if you consider Miller pointless.
it's a negative usefulness not necessarily no use.
At least I assume only the Compulsive modifier was false not the entire role.

Yeah honestly none of the dead Town roles seem to be really useful.
I mainly am just pointing that out because day 1 I was thinking if there is a Lie Detector the chances of it being Mafia seem pretty high.

Although I will point out this.

There are 2 dead Town Informative Roles.
The rules mention at least 2 Cops and 1 Lie Detector.
Furthermore we have an Oracle and Tracker/Watcher claim.
There is a 0 sum chance all of the above is Town.

Guess that's what I get for having too high of hopes.

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sun Nov 14, 2021 2:01 pm My oracle readin' sucks. All it said was that there are more than one third parties in the game.

:/ I was hoping for something like "X rule is false."

Assuming that is true that would clear SoA, Mafia wouldn't risk a 50/50 rock, paper, scissors duel to decide if it was a mislynch or not.
I do still want to hear what Oracle reading he got though and if Scotty has a response.

Townlean is just another way of saying "I think they are town, but I'm not too confident."
In other words they are leaning on them being Town over Mafia.

Ruri wrote: ↑Fri Nov 12, 2021 11:52 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Nov 12, 2021 11:46 pm
Ruri wrote: ↑Fri Nov 12, 2021 11:44 pm So like, I'm currently at work but we got no customers now so I'm just chilling. Give me something to do, please.
Have you tried this awesome mobile RPG with next gen graphics Raid Shadow Legends?
Ew no. That might take up my forum time. I mean, give me something to do in this game. LOL

See I have a crippling handicap of only being able to post between league matches.

Ruri wrote: ↑Fri Nov 12, 2021 11:44 pm So like, I'm currently at work but we got no customers now so I'm just chilling. Give me something to do, please.

Have you tried this awesome mobile RPG with next gen graphics Raid Shadow Legends?

Well duh LC doesn't want to lynch MafiaMenace today, he's townleaning him.

Paopon even said this is their 5th game so I don't really think they deserve a noobie pass to avoid being offed.

sig wrote: ↑Fri Nov 12, 2021 11:00 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Nov 12, 2021 10:58 pm Truth be told I am not actually opposed to a Paopon lynch today, I just have a stronger feeling about SoA than Paopon.
Its just a lot harder for me to want to vote inactivity over a scumread.
Meh, I personally hate to lynch a more inactive player (especially one new to the site) day 1.

Is your thoughts on Paopon mainly gut or any reasons?

Frankly I just don't like the "i'm new so don't kill me" talk.
Gut just tells me they desperately want to survive at least one night, but I don't know how AI that actually is.

Truth be told I am not actually opposed to a Paopon lynch today, I just have a stronger feeling about SoA than Paopon.
Its just a lot harder for me to want to vote inactivity over a scumread.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Nov 12, 2021 10:47 pm @LinearPoint

Do you have a Paopan read or have read their iso?

Yes I have read their ISO a few times. Genuinely I am unsure about them.
I originally put them as inactive when I last made a large readlist.
Since then they have only made one additional post and I don't like the fact that their last 2 posts were basically "hey i'm new"
I really don't think it's as giant of an obvious scumtell as SoA makes it out to be even though I am leaning on them possibly being a scum probably not the same alignment as SoA either way. Be that Mafia|Third Part, Town|Mafia, or Town|3rd Party I do not know yet.

I mean you asking me my thoughts on Scotty is sort of what Scotty was saying anyways. You mainly just ask surface level questions like an explanation for X read.
I think your post on Scotty jumping on your wagon was probably the most I have actually seen from you so far that wasn't what I considered lurking or fluff.
Up until now you've just kind of existed and it looks like you sort of flipped out when you got a 3rd vote. You didn't seem to care at all about my vote or Sigs vote on you so I don't see why Scottys is much different especially given that he posted a reason for it.

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Fri Nov 12, 2021 10:38 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Nov 12, 2021 10:27 pm
Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Fri Nov 12, 2021 10:21 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Nov 12, 2021 10:10 pm
Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Fri Nov 12, 2021 9:57 pm Scotty you jumpin' on me right here is not a good look at all for you. It seems like you're lookin' for a poor excuse to vote me. Your reasonin' was that I asked the same question twice, however the context of the thread would reveal that me askin' that question twice was appropriate. If your reasonin' for voting me is that my content is "poor" then why is it that you don't jump on anyone else with
"poor" content and instead are votin' me who already has three votes on 'em.
This is a bit disingenuous. You had 2 votes on you.
The mod already said they accidentally voted and their vote wont count but they cannot remove it since there is no unvote.
Well, then how do ya feel about Scotty suspectin' ya and then also votin' the same person you're votin'? Why didn't you address that comment of mine?
tbh I don't really consider it sacrilegious or anything to hold the opinion that bussing is possible.
Not to mention the host said there may be third party roles which are scum but not Mafia so even if you got lynched and flipped mafia it could still be possible that I am some third party role even if the chances of me being town for starting a lynch on you would be a lot higher.
I mainly didn't feel the need to address it since despite what it may seem like, I am in fact not Scotty and cannot know for sure his thought process.
This didn't really answer any of my questions at all. I know ya can't compute Scotty's thought process for him. I'm askin' ya what ya think of his behavior. What ya gave me was the run around.

I felt like I answered the question, so I'm unsure what exactly you're asking then?
I don't find anything wrong with his assessment of you. Most of your posts haven't been great imo and you are pretty insistent that Paopon is scum without saying why other than "go read their posts."
If it's about Scotty's specific comment about you just asking surface level questions like "Why is Mac scummY' over and over agian I can sort of see where that is coming from even if I don't think it's necessarily something that would be AI.
Early on you weren't really contributing and currently you are mostly just reacting to what is going on than actually driving conversations.

I'll have you know I only build the best wagons.

Seriously though, I'm don't really read either Scotty or Sig as wolfy.
Sig could do with more explanation behind their vote, but I agree with the general feeling that ever since I initially put SoA as being a slight scumlean I haven't really liked any of his posts since.

I...Alright sir, have a good day.

Bro you can't complain about 255 posts when you wake up and post 3 times in a row 1 line responses with less than 10 words each.

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Fri Nov 12, 2021 10:21 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Nov 12, 2021 10:10 pm
Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Fri Nov 12, 2021 9:57 pm Scotty you jumpin' on me right here is not a good look at all for you. It seems like you're lookin' for a poor excuse to vote me. Your reasonin' was that I asked the same question twice, however the context of the thread would reveal that me askin' that question twice was appropriate. If your reasonin' for voting me is that my content is "poor" then why is it that you don't jump on anyone else with
"poor" content and instead are votin' me who already has three votes on 'em.
This is a bit disingenuous. You had 2 votes on you.
The mod already said they accidentally voted and their vote wont count but they cannot remove it since there is no unvote.
Well, then how do ya feel about Scotty suspectin' ya and then also votin' the same person you're votin'? Why didn't you address that comment of mine?

tbh I don't really consider it sacrilegious or anything to hold the opinion that bussing is possible.
Not to mention the host said there may be third party roles which are scum but not Mafia so even if you got lynched and flipped mafia it could still be possible that I am some third party role even if the chances of me being town for starting a lynch on you would be a lot higher.
I mainly didn't feel the need to address it since despite what it may seem like, I am in fact not Scotty and cannot know for sure his thought process.

Also 3 isn't even a lot of votes when 9 is required for majority.

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