The Syndicate

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:35 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:21 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:19 pm It is interesting how there is so much chatter around Scotty, but the man has 0 votes.

A vote for Dunya today is a vote for Scotty tomorrow if Dunya flips wolf anyhow.

[VOTE: dunya] aubergine

You aren't even trying to hide your intentions anymore.
I'm dying right now.

Side note this interaction between Scotty and TSP also just looks like two people agreeing but trying to argue against each other somehow.

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:30 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:12 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:11 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:11 pm Again I'm 99% confident with the fact that people are actively trying to balance the votes these are both Town wagons.
Nanook runs the rule that ties are decided by Mafia not randomed. So the fact there is an active effort to tie the wagons is very telling.

Who is trying to tie the wagons?

Scotty, Possibly

Do you even read this game.
HK joked about leaving wagons tied, and I brought up that they would choose LP every time if they were both v/v for WIFOM sake.

That is overly defensive and shifting blame for someone who objectively has been switching wagons all day long.
You continue to slip further into the firm obvious scum category.

Alright time for mass analysis.

Easy stuff out of the way.
Scotty and TSP are so obvious mafia it's not even funny. But I have a strange feeling they will not be lynched until day 4 minimum.
Marmot and HK are probably the only two people putting in an effort into this game that feel genuine and are pretty obvi Town.
Duyna is probably Town do to multiple odd wagonomics pointing towards Mafia!Duyna as an unlikely scenario.
Syn always shares an alignment with Duyna, so probably Town.

Difficult things.
Wilgy and NAA are impossible to read as they are doing a lot of their normal NAI stuff.
Sig still hasn't posted, so yeah...
Dya feels like they are in their scum meta atm. Pretty similar progressions to reads and approach to wagons as in GoC.
petit's votes and reads are really odd. I cannot tell their alignment easily as I haven't played with them. Could go either way with a scumlean.
Jack I've been trying to get a better read on today but I'm still equally as lost as i was early today when it came to reading him. I'm thinking Town, but their reasoning for reads isn't very good.
Urist feels Town since D1 and my confidence in this read has been steadily growing all of D2.
Dolby also feels a bit more like Town. They at least feel somewhat genuine, though I would be lying if I said I really was able to read their posts. They frankly go in one ear and out the other.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:21 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:19 pm It is interesting how there is so much chatter around Scotty, but the man has 0 votes.

A vote for Dunya today is a vote for Scotty tomorrow if Dunya flips wolf anyhow.

This is just saying you're OK with mislynching Duyna.
And I really do not like that mentality.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:20 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:18 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:15 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:13 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:11 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:11 pm Again I'm 99% confident with the fact that people are actively trying to balance the votes these are both Town wagons.
Nanook runs the rule that ties are decided by Mafia not randomed. So the fact there is an active effort to tie the wagons is very telling.

Who is trying to tie the wagons?

Like everyone.
Scotty has been switching between me and Duyna all day.
Same with TSP and NAA.
Wilgy and Petit have both been voting vanity and switching to me/duyna occasionally.
At least 3 of these have to be Mafia there is just no real way that Town are trying to keep votes tied.

And Syn.

But here's the thing. Tony, NAA and Syn are all town.

But okay, that's like a fair perspective to have fypov, which was the point of me asking.

And why do you think that?

I've explained my Tony read but it can be summed up with "I've played with Tony a lot and I'm 100% certain that he's in his town meta."

Axe just looks like he's been in every town game I've ever played with him, an excited guy who is really confident in his reads, which are mostly pretty good.

Syn has no teammates but also, his massive string of mostly solo posts earlier in the phase when everybody else was sleeping almost always comes from a townie imo.

I just found it odd since TSP looks like he did in GoC to me.
Axe seems NAI so not sure why Town.
And Syn is very heavily tied to Duyna in my opinion. They are frankly always the same alignment. So no strong teammates feels wrong.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:15 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:13 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:11 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:11 pm Again I'm 99% confident with the fact that people are actively trying to balance the votes these are both Town wagons.
Nanook runs the rule that ties are decided by Mafia not randomed. So the fact there is an active effort to tie the wagons is very telling.

Who is trying to tie the wagons?

Like everyone.
Scotty has been switching between me and Duyna all day.
Same with TSP and NAA.
Wilgy and Petit have both been voting vanity and switching to me/duyna occasionally.
At least 3 of these have to be Mafia there is just no real way that Town are trying to keep votes tied.

And Syn.

But here's the thing. Tony, NAA and Syn are all town.

But okay, that's like a fair perspective to have fypov, which was the point of me asking.

And why do you think that?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:11 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:11 pm Again I'm 99% confident with the fact that people are actively trying to balance the votes these are both Town wagons.
Nanook runs the rule that ties are decided by Mafia not randomed. So the fact there is an active effort to tie the wagons is very telling.

Who is trying to tie the wagons?

Like everyone.
Scotty has been switching between me and Duyna all day.
Same with TSP and NAA.
Wilgy and Petit have both been voting vanity and switching to me/duyna occasionally.
At least 3 of these have to be Mafia there is just no real way that Town are trying to keep votes tied.

Again I'm 99% confident with the fact that people are actively trying to balance the votes these are both Town wagons.
Nanook runs the rule that ties are decided by Mafia not randomed. So the fact there is an active effort to tie the wagons is very telling.

In all honestly Scotty should have always been the day 1 lynch.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:02 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:00 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 12:59 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 12:14 pm I'm shocked anyone town read me in either of those games lol.

I dunno, I agree with Jack, I've lock townread you in Team Fortress and another game where you were town (I think it was Fortune of Lies)

Heya, Marmot and @TonyStarkPrime

Take a look at Scotty's and Urist's posts wrt Dunya and tell me how wolf indicative you think they are or aren't.

Same for HK, though I think his are much less so, personally.

I agree that Scotty's handling of dunya isn't great, which is why I want to flip dunya.

Urist I townread for raisins, but that has dwindled over the last page or so. He went from wanting to kill dunya to wanting to kill Me/Jack/TSP for pushing dunia, and I don't know why.

This is literally just a reason to lynch Scotty.
Scotty is probably always Mafia regardless of Duyna's alignment. It's either a bus or just scum pushing Town.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 12:24 pm Scotty and Urist showing TMI with w!Dunya by trying to associate two obvious townies with her and also terrified of her going over, refusing to vote her for any length of time.

Scummy scummy scummy.

You know what I can find common ground in lynching Scotty for his wolfy D1 and D2.

Plus I'm fairly confident this day will end in a mislynch unless we get another better wagon going.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 12:22 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 12:21 pm

Dolby wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 12:19 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 12:17 pm Actualyl I might amend the Mafia list I made.
Sig is such a wildcard they could be Mafia.

take on Wilgy?

Why are the rest of us town?

I mean Jack, TSP, and Scotty all have played this day pertty scummy.
They've been doing their best to switch wagons at opportune times to keep the vote counts even.
I really cannot see them being Town. Maybe 1, (Jack most likely to not be Mafia of those 3)
Dya is also played the exact same as GoC which she was Mafia.
Wilgy has always been mislynch bait so no.

I've literally been voting Dunya the entire day and I'm super townie.

I could have sworn you were one of the 3 I kept see switching.
Maybve not.

Dolby wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 12:21 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 12:19 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 12:18 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 12:10 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 7:38 pm Also, I’d like to hear why everybody who has voted LP thinks LP is scummy.

Admittedly, I normally lock LP in as town (or so obvious town, she must die) very quickly (like 2/2 games we’ve played together). I haven’t done that here. But she’s also the popular CW to the player I want yeeted and nobody has said (that I’ve read) a reason to scumread her that is even marginally compelling.

I also wanted to come back to this post actually because this is probably Mafia just due to the fact it is blatantly wrong.
I was horribly scummy as Town in both my other Town games and if I didn't die at night to vigilantes I was going to be lynched.
This is by far my strongest Town game and it feels like I'm doing a much better job of solving. I think today if I die or not a lot of Mafia have outed themselves.

Pretty confident in a Dya, Scotty, TSP, and Jack team.
Maximum one of those is wrong.

I hope you are a wolf because you're no help at all.

It'll be even funnier when I flip and show that I didn't even pick a useful role like Warrior.

LP, were you Druid level 2 last night

I'll get back to you day 3

Dolby wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 12:19 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 12:17 pm Actualyl I might amend the Mafia list I made.
Sig is such a wildcard they could be Mafia.

take on Wilgy?

Why are the rest of us town?

I mean Jack, TSP, and Scotty all have played this day pertty scummy.
They've been doing their best to switch wagons at opportune times to keep the vote counts even.
I really cannot see them being Town. Maybe 1, (Jack most likely to not be Mafia of those 3)
Dya is also played the exact same as GoC which she was Mafia.
Wilgy has always been mislynch bait so no.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 12:18 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 12:10 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 7:38 pm Also, I’d like to hear why everybody who has voted LP thinks LP is scummy.

Admittedly, I normally lock LP in as town (or so obvious town, she must die) very quickly (like 2/2 games we’ve played together). I haven’t done that here. But she’s also the popular CW to the player I want yeeted and nobody has said (that I’ve read) a reason to scumread her that is even marginally compelling.

I also wanted to come back to this post actually because this is probably Mafia just due to the fact it is blatantly wrong.
I was horribly scummy as Town in both my other Town games and if I didn't die at night to vigilantes I was going to be lynched.
This is by far my strongest Town game and it feels like I'm doing a much better job of solving. I think today if I die or not a lot of Mafia have outed themselves.

Pretty confident in a Dya, Scotty, TSP, and Jack team.
Maximum one of those is wrong.

I hope you are a wolf because you're no help at all.

It'll be even funnier when I flip and show that I didn't even pick a useful role like Warrior.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 12:17 pm @Scotty @hollowkatt

Quit dipping your toes in and then running out of the pool like it's too freaking cold. Dunya's going today with or without you.

You both said it yourself. She needs to be resolved regardless of alignment and her flip helps solve the rest of the game.

Even if LP is a wolf, she could be a wolf with freaking anybody and the game doesn't advance at all.

I think ironically the only person to Town read me this game is Duyna.
Even funnier is that me and Duyna both created the two wagons and now neither of us want either of them.
So I guess if anybody it'd be Duyna, but I'm not Mafia so I feel she is Town.

Actualyl I might amend the Mafia list I made.
Sig is such a wildcard they could be Mafia.

I'm shocked anyone town read me in either of those games lol.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 7:38 pm Also, I’d like to hear why everybody who has voted LP thinks LP is scummy.

Admittedly, I normally lock LP in as town (or so obvious town, she must die) very quickly (like 2/2 games we’ve played together). I haven’t done that here. But she’s also the popular CW to the player I want yeeted and nobody has said (that I’ve read) a reason to scumread her that is even marginally compelling.

I also wanted to come back to this post actually because this is probably Mafia just due to the fact it is blatantly wrong.
I was horribly scummy as Town in both my other Town games and if I didn't die at night to vigilantes I was going to be lynched.
This is by far my strongest Town game and it feels like I'm doing a much better job of solving. I think today if I die or not a lot of Mafia have outed themselves.

Pretty confident in a Dya, Scotty, TSP, and Jack team.
Maximum one of those is wrong.

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 12:06 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 12:04 pm You made a triangle. That ain't a linearpoint.
Though to be fair I'm also 90% sure with my knowledge of math that is impossible.

You are a paradox

You know it.

You made a triangle. That ain't a linearpoint.
Though to be fair I'm also 90% sure with my knowledge of math that is impossible.

Yeah honestly the amount of indecisiveness doesn't institute confidence that Duyna is Mafia.

Dolby wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:58 am

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:55 am

Dolby wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:35 am

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:34 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:29 am

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:27 am

Dolby wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:21 am Saving Dunya

[VOTE: LinearPoint] aubergine

ngl I want to end the day tied between the two and make wolves make the choice
[VOTE: linearpoint] aubergine

If they’re both v/v they’re picking LP 10 times out of 10

that's my way of saying I don't think they're both v

what's your take on them being v/w?

I think only possible if LP is the w

It's possible dunya is town if LP is a wolf, and in that world the dunya voters are trying to save LP by pushing dunya over which makes them more likely wolves.

if LP is town I think dunya is almost always a wolf. I still think it's possible, maybe even likely that they're both wolves. I do not think they're both town at all.

eh if LP is town I'd probably look at the Dunya wagon and assume they're v/v tbh

Dunya's positioning surrounding here, Wilgy, and her EoD1 wagon (pending reread) might be enough for me

also I don't think her posting has been that bad

Yeah that's basically the conclusion I have reached.

It's mostly since I know Mafia!TSP likes to balance votes and he has been trying to play both sides switching his vote frequently and scum reading both of us.

Honestly I don't even really know if Dunya is even mafia here. It feels wrong for Mafia!Dunia to not push me in this scenario.

Honestly both TSP and Dya have also been giving off the same vibe as they did in GoC.
So fuck it if it kills me due to EoD plurality I'ma start pushing TSP.

I can tell since the actually state of the game has not progressed in the slightest.

How was there 700 posts in just a few hours?

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 12:56 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 12:54 pm Actually that's a good point. With it being hammer its pretty odd that the votes are tied.
Mafia don't have an insensitive to split votes in a hammer scenario. And if Mafia could easily just switch wagons and hammer right now if both Duyna and me are Town.
Conclusion Duyna is even more likely to be Mafia since Mafia voting her or me could hammer right now if they wanted by just switching wagons, but their not so they have incentive to keep Duyna alive.

this is a 1 dimensional conclusion in the sense why wouldn't mafia keep two t/t wagons ? i would.

There's not really a good reason for that in a Hammer game.

Like I'm pretty sure L-1 is synonymous with "NAA is about to end this man's life"

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 12:55 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 12:54 pm Actually that's a good point. With it being hammer its pretty odd that the votes are tied.
Mafia don't have an insensitive to split votes in a hammer scenario. And if Mafia could easily just switch wagons and hammer right now if both Duyna and me are Town.
Conclusion Duyna is even more likely to be Mafia since Mafia voting her or me could hammer right now if they wanted by just switching wagons, but their not so they have incentive to keep Duyna alive.

Do you actually believe people on this site would hammer?

Good question. I've never seen a hammer game on this site.
But you, I fully expect it.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 12:55 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 9:18 am @DrWilgy what are your current reads?

also hi

also [VOTE: drwilgy] aubergine

Hi Dunya!

I'm still caught up between deciding if it's you or Urist.

LP also does not vibe with the universe. Everyone else is town currently.

I am entropy.

Actually that's a good point. With it being hammer its pretty odd that the votes are tied.
Mafia don't have an insensitive to split votes in a hammer scenario. And if Mafia could easily just switch wagons and hammer right now if both Duyna and me are Town.
Conclusion Duyna is even more likely to be Mafia since Mafia voting her or me could hammer right now if they wanted by just switching wagons, but their not so they have incentive to keep Duyna alive.

But I have no idea how he plays as Town.

I played like one game with jack long ago and I don't remember anything except for he was scum and he slanked.

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 12:38 pm what has jack contributed to the game?

I saw him post once or twice.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 12:31 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 12:29 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 12:20 pm

Spoiler: show

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 12:19 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 12:17 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 11:49 am game is hard

drwilgy
tsp
jack
sig

no reason to townread them

tinfoil:
dya
LP
dolby



i actually think urist is town.


if scotty is town, i suck at mafia 2 games in a row.

Dunya as town never does this therefore Dunya is a wolf game over

Never does what?

Makes a bad reads list

This is an invalid statement given that it's Day 2 and we have no wolf flips.

Dunya’s readslist is that the wolves are

The two people pushing her (no evidence given)
The zero poster
And Wilgy


This does not inspire confidence

I'm scum reading her and this doesn't even make sense.
What do you mean by not inspiring confidence? That seems like a very non statement and halfass scurmead.

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 12:24 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 12:22 pm You know I really should work on finding someone who looks townie.
I only have red names on my list lol.

start by reading this iso
search.php?author_id=744&t=2322

The problem is everyone feels scummy.

And like honestly the only people close to being considered a town lean are Urist and HK.

You know I really should work on finding someone who looks townie.
I only have red names on my list lol.

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 12:17 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 12:04 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 1:41 am it's becoming increasingly likely that the reason sig is alive is a lot of people didn't know they could kill him

It is entirely possible Mafia sent one person to try and kill Sig and the ability just wiffed.
Its also possible that Sig is Mafia so they left him alive.
It's also possible that no one even noticed Sig was in the game...

nanook posted at the start of the night that sig was eligible to be killed by warrior L2.

Wait they did?
I legit ddin't even notice that either. Man Sig is a lucky person.

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 9:55 am

dunya wrote: ↑Sun Mar 13, 2022 3:29 pm Dunya
3
30%
Voters: Scotty, Urist, Le petit poussin

with LP also scum reading me



the thread state at this moment at time for my notes.

only LP consistent from d1 (but she didn't vote me d1)

interesting.

If I'm being frank you weren't on my radar. I barely registered your presence in the game.
My day 1 was actually horrible, I basically only paid any attention to the people posting and of those Scotty existed.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 1:41 am it's becoming increasingly likely that the reason sig is alive is a lot of people didn't know they could kill him

It is entirely possible Mafia sent one person to try and kill Sig and the ability just wiffed.
Its also possible that Sig is Mafia so they left him alive.
It's also possible that no one even noticed Sig was in the game...

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 12:06 am you can go to level 1 on the way to level 2

If someone else wants to they can. I wont.

I would much rather have Level 2 paladin, so no Level 1.

To be fair I have no intentions of ever taking Level 1 paladin. It's gonna be Level 2+ or nothing at all.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 11:43 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 11:42 pm We should assume that all wolves who get poisoned will not die

Ergo all poisoners are wolves.

Or stupid.

No I think he is trying to say Mafia will heal each other, but no Town will heal anyone because why would a Townie be compassionate.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 11:42 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 11:40 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 11:40 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 11:38 pm Multiclassing is for weaklings so is not spending CP on your main class immediately. Just pump all your CP into one basket.
You wont regret it.

Tbh, level 1 paladins should probably multiclass cause heal poison about to be really good.

Or upgrade that and just roleblock the poisoner forehead.

I feel like 95% accuracy doctor is better than 85% accuracy roleblock when you know who is targetted with poison but not who is targetting with poison.

That's logic talking.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 11:40 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 11:38 pm Multiclassing is for weaklings so is not spending CP on your main class immediately. Just pump all your CP into one basket.
You wont regret it.

Tbh, level 1 paladins should probably multiclass cause heal poison about to be really good.

Or upgrade that and just roleblock the poisoner forehead.

Multiclassing is for weaklings so is not spending CP on your main class immediately. Just pump all your CP into one basket.
You wont regret it.

The hilarious thing is so does the poison heal and that is comical.

Based on how many people have said I'll die eventually I'm going to assume multiple people used it on me lol.