The Syndicate

Like I said I think TSP said he was shooting Gav, so like I don't think Mafia killed Gav.
I mean I guess Mafia could ahve thinking that Nanook spewed him as Town, but tbh I stilll would think Nanook was trying ot distance from Gav.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 8:00 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 7:59 pm I mean Marmot always watches Jack so we should have an easy lynch today since TSP said they were shooting Gav right? So Mafia kill was probably Jack.

Why kill Gavial if you are mafia? Who said they'd kill Marmot?

Wait...

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

I was saying Gav was shot by Town.
Honestly if Marmot didn't watch Jack he's probably just Mafia.

I mean Marmot always watches Jack so we should have an easy lynch today since TSP said they were shooting Gav right? So Mafia kill was probably Jack.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 7:47 pm If i dont live…

Happy New Year!

You can't die before me, I refuse.

I mean to be honest Jack probably was going to be lynch if I didn't campaign for a Nanook lynch.
Boy will I feel dumb when Nanook flips Town and Jack is Mafia who survived to MyLo.

What even are you Nanook?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 7:41 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 7:39 pm While I'm tempted to go with a Gav CFD, no one's online so like that'll never happen.
Also still traumatized by the last CFD.

I believe in you

That's what a mafia who wants to live would say.

But like why does Gav go with Nanook and not Falcon if he is Mafia?
If Gav thought the heal was fake and hte kill wasn't roleblocked why ever vote Nanook?

While I'm tempted to go with a Gav CFD, no one's online so like that'll never happen.
Also still traumatized by the last CFD.

TL;DR Gav is weird.

Oh if it's after, that might not mean anything then

Like it seems really fucking weird to randomly sayd Falcon is lying about being a Doctor.
That seems like Mafia has a Doctor and knows Sig stopped the heal so Falcon can't be real.

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 2:15 am

Dolby wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 2:13 am

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 2:11 am

Dolby wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 2:10 am Anyone in that tier I don't feel like I have a confident read on socially

That said given two medic claims Sig/Falcon probably aren't w/w since there's a greater than 50% chance they stopped a kill imo

I honestly just wanna know whom @sig protected.

I don't think that that is neccessary

Like, yes it's great if they got a correct protect, but if they claim, mafia knows whether or not they can target Marmot tonight. I personally think that it's just likeliest that Marmot or Mac were targetted and knowing another protection probably wouldn't help

Yes but my theory is Marmot/Falcon/TSP wolf team.

Meaning if that is the case. (I as I said before can be wrong about that hunch but still) Falcon’s protect us Fake and Sig has the real clear.

Was this before or after Faclon said it was fake?
Because actually if this was before Falcon said he lied about the heal then that might actualyl be TMI.

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 10:24 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 10:21 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 10:20 pm

Dolby wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 10:16 pm I still think it's more likely that Marmot was doc saved successfully than scum kill was roleblocked, but also, Nanook was even worse looking on the CFD than NAA imo and should probably just go

I’m honestly not entirely sure what happened tbh.

this is straight up a scum claim

I’m pretty sure if I said “it was for sure the roleblock!” That would be a straight up “TMI” eh?
Maybe a “Scum Claim”.


You can call me a wolf but don’t make up lies.
K thanks.

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 10:26 pm I’m town. I don’t know why there was no kill last night as there are many ways of which it could be.
Roleblock, Doctor or some other method probable.

I’m curious who Sig medic’ed.

This is basically the extent of Gav talking about it.

I also went back and looked. It was Dolby talking about the kill being blocked by a heal.

The only thing is Gav seems rather natural. His D1 read for Sabie was null reading her to then town reading her saying that her and TSP were both Town.
Only to now turn around and say that TSP has to be Mafia with Sabie.

I may be getting a bit hung up here, but I don't really see Gav!Mafia just null reading an ally and then later Town reading them without much comment and their change in read on TSP seems to be Town motivated as well.
From what people have said about how Gav plays that just seems way too passive with Gav and I don't think he would be able to resist giving reads on his allies.

I mean it would make sense to have Gav preform the kill. Since he claimed Sniper D2 and had 2 votes nobody really had a reason to roleblock him since he couldn't kill with his role anyways.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 7:05 pm Gav has talked about the doc save preventing the Maf kill, and asked Marmot why he's voting me when I claimed to have saved Marmot.




Even though I said I lied about it.

So basically if I understand this correctly your theory is that Gav attacked Marmot and received the name of the Doctor because of it.

Gav then was confused why you were claiming Doctor to have saved Marmot and accidentally TMI'd that he didn't believe you because he knew it was fake.

Mac also mightjust be Mafia who wasn't going to try this game because he saw his team had Sabie, but then realized they had a chance and is now trying.

Gav, Wiggly, Mac seems like a very plausible team imo.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 6:37 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 6:31 pm The only other thing is that Nanook is actually participating and giving their reads to just sheep Marmot and lynch Gav.
It's either an indicator that they just aren't Mafia since they aren't avoiding spewing, or if they are Mafia they are trying to make us think they are distancing from Gav or just actually is distancing from Gav.

Do you feel Nook has been participating a lot and giving/pushing reads? Cuz I don't

Well they haven't, but they also haven't exactly been avoiding giving reads.

The only other thing is that Nanook is actually participating and giving their reads to just sheep Marmot and lynch Gav.
It's either an indicator that they just aren't Mafia since they aren't avoiding spewing, or if they are Mafia they are trying to make us think they are distancing from Gav or just actually is distancing from Gav.

Really if Nanook flips Town I'm pretty sure Gav is always Mafia.
Frankly slightly tempted to lynch Gav first just because there is no pushback on Nanook's lynch.

There isn't a way to confirm a role's alignment mechanically.
So all we really have to go off of is basically are the Doctors doing their job, are the vigi's choosing good targets, are the Watchers and Tracker's being useful, and are the roleblockers and redirectors not fucking the Town over.
Also I guess there are vote doublers, but like they don't do anything to LyLo anyways.

That almost feels too simple though.

Maybe it is just Nanook and 2 of Wiggly, Sig, and Falcon.

I mean if Nanook flips green I would probably say Gav isn't a terrible lynch, but at least 1 Mafia was on Seanzie and like mac said we should probably get them out first.

I mean if I'm being 100% honest. I don't know if it's Jack or Nanook, but I would personally feel better if it was Nanook just trying to desperately save Sabie.

If Mafia failed the kill because they thought attacking Marmot without a crit canteen would be quite interesting.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 3:50 am

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 3:47 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 3:46 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 8:35 pm [VOTE: Nanook] aubergine

We should quit these asinine arguments based on NAI/mech fuckery and just kill everyone from the Seanzie wagon day 1 until we hit a wolf. If town saved mafia Sabie over town Seanzie I'll gladly just laugh and move on the next game. This game needs better direction.

Before some giant brain points out I was on that wagon, yes I know, feel free to flip me idc.

I said this before, you are finally sheeping me on this? What took you so long?

Let’s begin with [VOTE: Dolby] aubergine

But like NAA exists.

I dont think NAA risks outing himself doing such a play to save Sabie tbh. If he is scum and actually did that, he’s either very dumb or very ballsy.

Ah, but this is NAA who will do anything in his power to find the suboptimal play and follow it through.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 3:46 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 8:35 pm [VOTE: Nanook] aubergine

We should quit these asinine arguments based on NAI/mech fuckery and just kill everyone from the Seanzie wagon day 1 until we hit a wolf. If town saved mafia Sabie over town Seanzie I'll gladly just laugh and move on the next game. This game needs better direction.

Before some giant brain points out I was on that wagon, yes I know, feel free to flip me idc.

I said this before, you are finally sheeping me on this? What took you so long?

Let’s begin with [VOTE: Dolby] aubergine

But like NAA exists.

I really didn't consider Scout delaying the kill, becuase that's kind of a silly thing to do when you have a Tracker ability.

If the kill wasn't Roleblocked then the Mafia definitely attacked Mac.
Mafia never goes for mechanically confirmed Town with known Medic on them.
Mac I can see them possibly seeing as a threat in some world I guess, but so many other good choices for kills I feel.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 3:22 am

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 2:15 am

Dolby wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 2:13 am

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 2:11 am

Dolby wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 2:10 am Anyone in that tier I don't feel like I have a confident read on socially

That said given two medic claims Sig/Falcon probably aren't w/w since there's a greater than 50% chance they stopped a kill imo

I honestly just wanna know whom @sig protected.

I don't think that that is neccessary

Like, yes it's great if they got a correct protect, but if they claim, mafia knows whether or not they can target Marmot tonight. I personally think that it's just likeliest that Marmot or Mac were targetted and knowing another protection probably wouldn't help

Yes but my theory is Marmot/Falcon/TSP wolf team.

Meaning if that is the case. (I as I said before can be wrong about that hunch but still) Falcon’s protect us Fake and Sig has the real clear.

Is this not just tmi that the kill wasn't block and it hit a protect?

If anything that would imply the opposite since he is saying that the kill wasn't stopped by Doctor and the Mafia just flat out chose not to kill.
Marmot/Falcon/TSP can literally never be a wolf team and the Mafia failed to kill last night.
Unless one of the Pyros redirected a roleblock to Marmot, Falcon, or TSP. I mean Wiggly will never tell us, and the other pyro either didn't redirect it or just doesn't care to say they did in which case probs just mafia.

I can't really see another valid reason for that.
Not to mention the 2nd Tracker hasn't claimed yet.
So it's very likely the 2nd Tracker is just always Mafia in this case.

I mean, here's a thought.
Mafia sent Sabie to do the kill because Seanzie flipped Tracker and Mafia has the other Tracker.
So really they sent Sabie as a precaution in case there was a Watcher on their kill target because Sabie was already being lynched D2 probably.

Because honestly everyone's just waiting until he gets Vigged since no one wants to commit to wasting a lynch on him.

Also like, I think I've come to the conclusion.
Fuck meta. I think everyone is saying everyone is meta clear atm.
This is stupid. People can just manipulate their meta.

So I'm going to propose a radical idea that Jack might just be derp cleared.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 7:37 pm Nobody targeted LP night 1 but me.

I hadn’t caught up and it was like a reverse fear watch.

Mafia Soldier gets the exact role of who they target.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 7:18 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 7:12 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 7:07 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 7:06 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 7:02 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:40 am @LinearPoint
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
@falcon45ca
@Dolby
@sig
@TonyStarkPrime


Votes onto JackofHearts he's outed mechanically.

But seriously know know that if nothing else like…two players got roleblocked. Stop being dense.

So why not push the other one? Do you think the kill wasn’t blocked?

AFAIK, nobody has claimed the other one, for starters.

I don’t know if the kill was blocked or not. It wasn’t blocked by Like blocking me.

If theoretically I blocked Nanook? And you didn’t read it?

If that’s not a theoretical claim, then we should just yeet Nanook, yeah.

Same mechanical info but I’ve got antialignment with a flipped wolf and am out of my wolf meta whereas Nanook isn’t trying to solve and is making bad excuses for his vote while discouraging pressure on im self by trying to point me at Marmot instead.

Here he seems to believe that my fake claim was real. Which if he is Mafia, he would know is fake.

While he could just be knowing it was fake and going along anyways I think the fact that Gav called out my claim as fake immediately and Jack didn't latch onto it being fake seems to suggest to me he is actually just completely oblivious and has no idea what is even going on in this game let alone having information only Mafia would have.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 7:07 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 7:06 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 7:02 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:40 am @LinearPoint
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
@falcon45ca
@Dolby
@sig
@TonyStarkPrime


Votes onto JackofHearts he's outed mechanically.

But seriously know know that if nothing else like…two players got roleblocked. Stop being dense.

So why not push the other one? Do you think the kill wasn’t blocked?

AFAIK, nobody has claimed the other one, for starters.

I don’t know if the kill was blocked or not. It wasn’t blocked by Like blocking me.

If theoretically I blocked Nanook? And you didn’t read it?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 7:02 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:40 am @LinearPoint
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
@falcon45ca
@Dolby
@sig
@TonyStarkPrime


Votes onto JackofHearts he's outed mechanically.

But seriously know know that if nothing else like…two players got roleblocked. Stop being dense.

So why not push the other one? Do you think the kill wasn’t blocked?

Yeah actually went back and looked at Sabie and LC day 1, LC doesn't really seem like Sabie's partner since they never really even acknowledged Sabie even existed except in a small post mentioning a list of people LC isn't hard town reading.
Not sure he'd do that and go with Sabie doing N1 kill.

Honestly I feel like LC is the kind of player who would intentionally make a plan to not kill N2 just to frame their roleblock target.

You're right, but I wont like it.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 6:47 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 6:46 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 10:59 am

Dolby wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:21 am

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:19 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:16 am

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:15 am And I mean if Gav is already basically taking random shots at probably townies is it really that different to random his shot?

who are your scum?

Currently I don't know. No one really stands out as extremely obvious.
Nanook I'm putting at about 99% guarenteed Mafia.
Jack might be just because of the RB really, and the last one is between Gullio, Martin, Mac, NAA, or Dolby.

I’m not fully there yet but yeah Nanook sus as hell. I blocked him last night

Guillo imo has no place in the PoE with that list of names

Why, Dolby?

And Why @LinearPoint ? Why am I in that PoE?

I dunno who to trust, everyone sus.

Everyone except for me, right?

Your existence is sus.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 10:59 am

Dolby wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:21 am

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:19 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:16 am

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:15 am And I mean if Gav is already basically taking random shots at probably townies is it really that different to random his shot?

who are your scum?

Currently I don't know. No one really stands out as extremely obvious.
Nanook I'm putting at about 99% guarenteed Mafia.
Jack might be just because of the RB really, and the last one is between Gullio, Martin, Mac, NAA, or Dolby.

I’m not fully there yet but yeah Nanook sus as hell. I blocked him last night

Guillo imo has no place in the PoE with that list of names

Why, Dolby?

And Why @LinearPoint ? Why am I in that PoE?

I dunno who to trust, everyone sus.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:41 am @LinearPoint why did you say if the maf kill was blocked it was Nook? I only see one RB claim and it's LC blocking Jack?

Well Dolby also claimed to have roleblocked Nanook.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:33 am

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:29 am We should always out Nanook over Jack I think.
Jack at the very least was on Sabie even when Sabie was 20 seconds from being lynched D1.
Unlike Nanook who switched to Sean to save Sabie.

Ehhhh I'm not sure about dis.

So you're saying Jack hard busses sabie?

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:30 am Could the other spy Green Check me?
Kthxby

Not how Spy works.

If Mafia kill was RBed it was Nanook.

We should always out Nanook over Jack I think.
Jack at the very least was on Sabie even when Sabie was 20 seconds from being lynched D1.
Unlike Nanook who switched to Sean to save Sabie.