The Syndicate

I mean honestly if we have doc protect MM and have MM check Paopan or Michelle we can get a second confirmed cop like role that would be pretty good even if Mafia does decide to just kill one of them.

I've come to the conclusion the existence of your role is an intentional mind fuck from the host.
That or you're Mafia lol, but if that check got past 2 other players Scotty would be turning in his grave right now.

If the host handpicked everyone's roles that is a different concern lol.
Just seems odd to me there'd be a Lie Detector with no restrictions since it is theoretically one of the best roles.

An unrestricted Lie Detector? Huh.
That seems a tad overpowered.

So what I mean is like are you just a "Town Lie Detector" or do you have some other word between Town and Lie Detector?

Paopan do you have any restrictions on your role like a modifier?

Paopan wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:57 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:54 am

Paopan wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:53 am I still don't trust NAA. But I believe we need some info regarding this slot.

She is vague.. to me.

This is a reasonable take, do you want me to make a post that you can lie detect?

Go for it.

"I am town and I swear to my ancestors that I am town.

and I'll check this tonight.

But what if he is a Jester?

Especially since we have a Cop who is limited and Michelle has no such limitations other than his results are flipped which isn't really a limitation when we know that is the case.

Yeah I mean obviously it's not, I'm just not used to seeing super obvious townslips like that since people avoid those like the plague on MS.

TBH though Michelle is also on my radar of potentially being a Mafia Cop as Scotty hard town read him no questions asked day 1 and he wasn't the Cop to find a Mafia.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:50 am

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:48 am You are an interesting person with unique choices that I cannot fully comprehend just yet.

I think surrender is normal for new town players who don't fully understand that dying as town is bad. The same player is likely to fight more or at least not concede as mafia because people think dying as town doesn't matter. it's a common Syndicate town strat actually (I see JJJ cringe every time I post this)

I agree, just trying to think if he is actualyl intentionally doing that.
TBH from MafiaScum I remember this type of play to be explicitly (intentional or not) banable so it's interesting actually seeing it.

Fuck it, i'm going with gut and actually following NAA of this for god knows why.
I just have a feeling that Ruri and/or Jack are Mafia based on Scotty's day 1 and leaning more on Jack.

You are an interesting person with unique choices that I cannot fully comprehend just yet.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:44 am

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:43 am You can have that, besides even if I were a 3rd Party that could win with Town I wouldn't ever admit that.
It's no fun that way.

Right, well, even if I was the Jester... I certainly would tell you repeatedly.

And I'd expect no lesst jest.

You can have that, besides even if I were a 3rd Party that could win with Town I wouldn't ever admit that.
It's no fun that way.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:40 am

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:39 am Honestly yeah, the only thing that gets me with Paopan is that I think he came into day 2 wanting to claim Lie Detector and Scotty panic claimed Lie Detector.
Not only that, but he claimed Paopan's results which might have been posted in Mafia Chat as I've seen some hosts do that.
It's possible Scotty was planning on claimign Lie Detector and just using Paopan as a proxy for his results, but Paopan didn't read and accidentally CC'd his own partner.

Ok, you don't believe my 3rd party claim because you're 3rs party yeah?

I think that is unlikely.

Honestly yeah, the only thing that gets me with Paopan is that I think he came into day 2 wanting to claim Lie Detector and Scotty panic claimed Lie Detector.
Not only that, but he claimed Paopan's results which might have been posted in Mafia Chat as I've seen some hosts do that.
It's possible Scotty was planning on claimign Lie Detector and just using Paopan as a proxy for his results, but Paopan didn't read and accidentally CC'd his own partner.

At this point I'm leaning on the 3rd party not being SK, so they are probably just a Survivor or something. At least I don't think a Traitor counts as 3rd party so that pretty much leaves a survivor-like role.
I wouldn't really worry about them at the moment.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:28 am

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:25 am To be fair though Sig and Ruri are right next to Jack in the amount of contribution.
So really I'm feeling any one of those 3 at the moment.

Sig ruri jack at most contains 2 mafia based on SoA's claim. We agree?

I didn't even read this, stop reading my mind as I am typing.
It's weird.

Seeing as ever single informative role checked dead people or didn't act last night we have pretty much only Scotty to go off of for reads.
Unfortunately he barely spoke about any of those 3.

He jokingly said when I commented about Jack and Ruri that I was giving them a pass for being Mafia with me which could be a hint that they are Mafia.

He also said he jokingly voted Sig for scum reading him.

Finally he had a slight scum read on Jack at the start of day 1 for being mostly inactive.

Other than those iterations Scotty avoiding talking about those 3.
Gut says at least 1 maybe 2 are his partners though.

To be fair though Sig and Ruri are right next to Jack in the amount of contribution.
So really I'm feeling any one of those 3 at the moment.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:21 am Ok, Linear, how do you feel about killing JoH today?

Well I was feeling he was a bit sus early day 1, he got a bit better to be neutral by the end, but day 2 he hasn't contirbuted anything.
So my best read of him is "meh, he exists but isn't really doing anything" so I guess yeah I'd be fine with his lynch.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:20 am Michelle has no world view outside of this vote park.

I hate that so far today you have started to make sense to me.
I'm worried if I'm going insane from being near you, or if you are getting more sane.

No offense, but wouldn't it be better to use them early so you don't risk dying?
I mean I guess we know there is a Doctor now, but still.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:17 am

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:17 am You're still not Jester, honestly doubt you're even neutral.

Are you town reading me now?

To be determined.
You haven't yet convinced me you have done anything AI yet.
Other than the fact the only possible 3rd Party role you could be is Survivor becuase you are that insane.

You're still not Jester, honestly doubt you're even neutral.

To be fair I would have assumed the FBI Agent was Mafia so they could find the SK.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:10 am

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:08 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:07 am

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:06 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:05 am

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:04 am I think the more important thing about Mac's role though is the lack of a role modifier.
That means at most there is 1 other role with no modifiers.

Also, I'm the Jester, so if Alexa is SK, then SoA would have to be mafia.

I know you're lying so no point in arguing that to me.

Oh?

Well a second jester is preposterous.

Second? Wilgy isn't a Jester

Oh, but isn't he? I mean he has to get himself killed, so Jester.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:07 am

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:06 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:05 am

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:04 am I think the more important thing about Mac's role though is the lack of a role modifier.
That means at most there is 1 other role with no modifiers.

Also, I'm the Jester, so if Alexa is SK, then SoA would have to be mafia.

I know you're lying so no point in arguing that to me.

Oh?

Well a second jester is preposterous.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:05 am

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:04 am I think the more important thing about Mac's role though is the lack of a role modifier.
That means at most there is 1 other role with no modifiers.

Also, I'm the Jester, so if Alexa is SK, then SoA would have to be mafia.

I know you're lying so no point in arguing that to me.

I think the more important thing about Mac's role though is the lack of a role modifier.
That means at most there is 1 other role with no modifiers.

Considering we have a dead lyncheer/jester that would leave likely neutrals at a Lover/anti-lyncher, Survivor, and SK/SK varients.

or SK is bulletproof and Mafia found the SK.

Yeah for sure he did die because he failed his wincon to prevent a kingmaker situation, but still worth noting that only 1 kill was actually confirmed to come from a night kill.

Frankly if Mafia NKed Mac that is only useful for them insofar as making SK seem real.
Without Mac dying I would have assumed there was no SK as 1 kill per night doesn't suggest a SK, but like who would kill an SK cop as Mafia?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 1:48 am

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 1:47 am Oh wait I'm dumb Wiggly died because his role killed him for failing his wincon.

Nice not-doctor claim.

I wish, that'd be a useful role to have.
I mean his role said he cannot die at night.

But that then means that is the second night in a row with 1 evildoer kill.

Oh wait I'm dumb Wiggly died because his role killed him for failing his wincon.

Also wait. It just dawned on me.
How the fuck did Wiggly die if he is night immune?

alexa wrote: ↑Tue Nov 16, 2021 11:04 pm why didn't mafia target the actual cop claims wtf
also reports??

I assume SK killed the SK Cop, just a theory.

Words cannot describe my disappointment.

Yeah pretty much the rest of scum are just sitting back trying to say nothing that could possibly incriminate them or make one of the many informative claims check them.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 10:23 am

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 10:22 am Wiggly’s plan is fine so long as one of them is lying about even being able to visit without killing. If both can visit though and one is mafia they can just visit and say they checked.

If Wilgy is to be believed, he can also check for KP actions, which means he's dying in the night, and we don't have to spend 2 seconds on his plan.

I doubt either of Mafia or SK would risk that with the possibility of there being a doctor still on the bored.

Wiggly’s plan is fine so long as one of them is lying about even being able to visit without killing. If both can visit though and one is mafia they can just visit and say they checked.

Well I'm going back to putting Scotty at L-1 since it doesn't look like we're going to do much else other than speculate if the SK killed or not.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 1:06 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 1:02 am

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sun Nov 14, 2021 6:43 pm 14 alive, 8 needed to hammer.
Keep in mind Doublevote, Loved, and Hated can exist.

I've never heard of Loved before.

I assume that's just the opposite of Hated?

What are either of these things?


Also, sig said something about vote manips earlier.

I mean LC flipped Loved so you could just have read his role.
They just alter how many votes are needed to lynch a certain person. Loved being 1 more needed and Hated being 1 less needed.

I'll just not vote for today then and let Ya'll decide to end the day.
If somehow it's still not ended by the time I'm on late tomorrow then I'll vote.

I'm going to be unavailable tomorrow so I would prefer the day end before then, but I also was wanting to wait for Marmot to check in at least.
I think, though, we kind of got all we need from the Informative roles today. If Marmot or Ruri are planning on also claiming Informative we probably don't need them outed today along with all the other informative roles.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 14, 2021 9:29 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 14, 2021 9:27 pm Isn’t Axe dead lol?

Please ignore this post.

To late, printing it out and framing it as we speak.

The mod had a vote on SoA but they both had 5 votes.
You can check the end of day message which shows they both had 5 votes at the time of day end.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 14, 2021 9:22 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sun Nov 14, 2021 9:14 pm I mean to be fair you said you wanted to out someone pretty much confirmed 99.9% to be Mafia in favor of someone who claimed Vigilante with no real evidence they are lying at this point in time.

It’s the correct move mechanically in most setups to yeet sk before outted wolf on D2 because the former stops a kill, likely saving a townie and potentially giving the town another yeet.

But that’s if you have those roles 100% outted, which is probably not the case.

While probably true all we have is the info "there is an SK" and someone claimed Vigilante.
While yes, that can be an SK claim, we have a FBI Agent which can check the Vigilante claim to see if they are SK, so we do not need to risk a mislynch for the hopes of killing SK at the moment.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Nov 14, 2021 9:18 pm Hammer time