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I always love me a good 7-way tie. @Dolby can attest to it.

I think a good showing by SPF here would be very good for us because it would allow us to work from the one mechanically-confirmed living town.

More extensively, I think the poison NK is generally town-sided as we're ALWAYS going to have at least one living confirmed town in the game. We need to leverage that to gain a bigger advantage.

I would appreciate NAA announcing his votes. :P

I mean I also feel pocket paranoia from ilario, but I don't know that it means anything real.

I would love to see more of Comrade Eternal President Dolby, but I haven't seen anything concerning from him atm. Waiting for more G-Man content, and nobody is being tangibly suspicious to my eyes.

If I should get the tinfoil hat I would say perhaps two people in the second triad could be partnered wolves but I'd rather start looking for someone who is individually scummy, or conversely by confirming enough town,

I don't think NAA is scum but he's definitely just taken a solidly anti-town position

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:59 am

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:19 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:13 am

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 5:45 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:58 pm I've skimmed through the ISOs purely looking for mechanical things, no content analysis (I don't know if it's needed actually)

Most town leaning evidence (in order):

JJJ

Sloonei

Dyslexicon

Dolby Falcon Marmott

LimeCoke Ilario

TSP

Johanna

G-man

Normally, I would suggest killing from the bottom up, but Ilario did something this game that I almost exclusively do as mafia, so I'm going to go look at some other games and check.

Lmao wtf? How did you go from wanting to elim jjj/sloonei into having them as ur top trs

Town's reads adjust as the game progresses, it's harder for Maf to do the same. Good look for NAA IMO.



It seems you're only addressing this post tho cuz' of the shade NAA's thrown on you

He did it in a matter of minutes lol

Wait, it was over 2hrs later??


Matter of minutes my ass

Actually more like 1 1/2 hours, but yeah, and he explicitly says there was ISOing in the middle. So I am trying not to read too much into that.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:53 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:52 am
Great thanks.

Sorry, if you don't understand what I'm saying at a base, you're not going to understand/agree once I've explained it to you. It's such a pointless exercise, unless you want me to guess what you think is scummy and explain it to you in a way that fits that narrative, but I'd basically just be throwing darts at the side of a barn. I can give it a go if you'd like.

Man, that's so patronising I feel insulted.

Why would you be dying here?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:49 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:45 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:33 am That's a solid case you guys are building together on your null/town read.

Almost seems like mafia trying to dig out of a hole...

Elaborate

No?

don't worry I did it for you.

But that's just a theory...

It's pretty evident, Ilario calling out NAA's shift and my explaining what I think Ilario's objection is is interpreted by NAA as two of his scum team scrambling to dig in and turn the tables.

I still don't know where you get your reads from.

I lowkey want to get chopped to see your reaction but my guess is that you will be unfazed by failure.

(according to NAA)

TL;DR TSP and Ilario were top town and JJJ and Sloonei sus, 90 minutes later roles are flipped.

Oh my god quotes in this white spoiler thing are awful to read

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:13 am

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 5:45 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:58 pm I've skimmed through the ISOs purely looking for mechanical things, no content analysis (I don't know if it's needed actually)

Most town leaning evidence (in order):

JJJ

Sloonei

Dyslexicon

Dolby Falcon Marmott

LimeCoke Ilario

TSP

Johanna

G-man

Normally, I would suggest killing from the bottom up, but Ilario did something this game that I almost exclusively do as mafia, so I'm going to go look at some other games and check.

Lmao wtf? How did you go from wanting to elim jjj/sloonei into having them as ur top trs

Town's reads adjust as the game progresses, it's harder for Maf to do the same. Good look for NAA IMO.



It seems you're only addressing this post tho cuz' of the shade NAA's thrown on you

I believe the objection comes from apparently sussing JJJ to topreading him in 2 and 1/2 hours without any apparent progression.

There's also the fact that 2 hours prior to this list he had just top towned TSP and Ilario In this particular case the reads adjustment I think moved in the direction of the consensus, which I think goes against your point that it is in fact a +town progression. I think it's NAI, and I would like to hear abut what he saw in those ISOs to be able to consider his perspective. The most interesting thing is how the watcher claim is near the bottom but he rectified soon enough, so again...

Here's the particularly interesting posts in his progression, I think:

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 8:46 am I like the angleshooting attempts.

Also, this is hilarious:

Johanna wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 6:03 am Hi Ilario!

Spoiler: show

How weird is it we've been posting side by side all page without interacting once?

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 7:26 am

Johanna wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 6:35 am What role card. That was probably the most stripped down role PM I've ever received, and there wasn't even a role!

I wanted to know whether I might be Fleabag, or at least Miranda.

How about you, why are you so soft and cuddly? ò.ó

I’m feeeling goood about my role but a bit concerned over the actual gamestate. I think I was too hasty with some of my earlier trs on d1

Can you elaborate on this?

I take it you didn't read the setup very closely

Wait what is that emote doing there? Must have clicked accidentally.

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 6:28 am Wait I’m very confused about the watcher claim? When it says they get the report one day later do they mean 24hours or an entire day phase ? I assumed the latter so in which case I don’t get why tsp would claim here???

The latter, but also the NK takes effect at the end of the following day, so we will get hopefully 1 red check. Unless TSP is bamboozling us to provide another bait for the mafia, which is still pro-town.

What role card. That was probably the most stripped down role PM I've ever received, and there wasn't even a role!

I wanted to know whether I might be Fleabag, or at least Miranda.

How about you, why are you so soft and cuddly? ò.ó

Hi Ilario!

Re-reading falcon's ISO I find it less substantial than I recall from my catch-up impression. I still don't think it's enough to vote them.

Yes I'm using Spoilers as a gimmick. I wasn't going to NOT attempt to break the 4th wall in a Fleabag game.

I know I said falcon is probably my #1 suspect but that's largely a function of not really having any. As I said, the ones who've made posts that struck me as odd in a bad way are Lime Coke and SoA. TSP definitely posted oddly, but not knowing them at all and given the consistency of it I am happy to chalk it up to posting style. Suggesting that a vt claim watcher was fantastic, they defended someone who was basically tilted for their entire stay on thread and thus were an easy mischop. It was not clear then and I'm not sure why he didn't say his clear was based on meta, but he was right, and his D2 so far just makes him townier.

I hate how NAA is playing but I don't see reason to characterise that as scummy. Confrontational and antagonising, sure. Again I chalk it up to posting style, although in this case I don't think there are reasons to towncore him. Neither are there reasons to suspect him.

So falcon. Yeah, I don't have reasons to think he's a wolf per se, either, and especially now that it's become apparent he's not very well caught up. In my experience, wolves are just as often boldly pushing names as they are cute and cuddly, but what they try to do is to be up to date.

I don't think I can in good conscience vote for a 2-poster. Nobody can say whether they're scum or not based on two posts. So you know, I'm not reading that slot, but it is true that if they don't show up soon they'll have to be up for the chop. I'm just saying give them a chance to show up.

That's the most questionable bit about NAA, his easy-going willingness to lock wolfreads on nothing but literal thin air.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:40 am That would require the fruit vendor giving spf some jamba juice too

What if sig was the fruit vendor? Otherwise, no reason not to claim.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:52 am General question:

Is G-Man confirmed mafia?

No.

Not until he flips or shows up as TSP's result tomorrow.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:34 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:32 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:30 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:29 am Someone with an animal in their name is mafia.

I'm confident Falcon is town

Can you help me get to this point?

Mainly based on mechanical shenanigans and tone

I probably can't help you other than by demonstrating that my picks are 4 for 4, but that will take 4 days.

I mean I can guarantee you that they're not, but you're welcome to try.

I'm trying to not get riled up but what's the matter with me? You got a weird fixation there that is not justified. I get being suspected for low volume posting (although I warned I probably wouldn't be able to even show up for D1 in the sign-ups and SoD was in the middle of the night), but locked wolf? C'mon.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:46 pm Uh... I was still operating based on Son of A's Watcher claim. Was that rescinded?

Why would he claim D1 if he were the actual watcher? he'd be dead before he got any results.

It's still the most towny thing he did.

Conversely TSP just claimed a watch on SPF, which means we'll get one of the wolves' names before he dies of poisoning in D3. That is, if he is actually the watcher, but why wouldn't he be.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:09 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:06 pm Yourself and NAA are my town core atm. There's 2 others on the periphery, tho I'd rather not say who right now.

How on god's green earth did the two of us, and only the two of us, earn this position?

I try to be sparse with catch-up posts, but I'm also intrigued about this.

I am bowing out for sleep. Catching up at night is convenient because no mew posts but conversely you can't post your thoughts in the moment.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 7:37 pm

Johanna wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 7:35 pm SPF was the 'peripheral' member of the triad, and even got some sus during the day. I would say that their case on sig is kind of clearing, for its high effort and grasping at straws, but a push could be easily made by accusong them precisely of that and making up an elaborate case on LHF to ensure a mischop.

That is definitely way too convoluted though.

I was more expecting you (Jay), Sloonei, or maybe illario or Dizzy.

Thanks for answering. I think there's one key factor notably missing from your pondering (left unrevealed here on purpose) that I will just think about to myself for a bit.

Well I am intrigued. In any case I definitely did not leave it out on purpose. It's just 1:40AM. Most likely I just didn't think of it regardless.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 7:34 pm

Johanna wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 7:24 pm I think the worst posts of yesterday were Lime's burst, although NAI, and SonofAnarch's "you mean you think our interation is t/t" post, which was awkward.

However the more consistently not so great person is falcon. I like some of the things he said and he raised some valid points (like pointing out said weird SoA post), but it is true that he is mostly being contrarian and that's easy to fake.

A priori he seems a good wolf candidate as someone with some thread presence who gets noticed but not a lot of attention.

I am actually intrigued by TSP. Either he was TMIng sig or he just had the right idea. I lean towards the second, at least for now.

Generally I think there have been bad posts and people with bizarre moments but nobody who has been overtly or outright scummy. Kind of glad I got to avoid having to make a bad choice, although I think I would have leant falcon. There has to be at least one wolf in the towncore (why not two) but I wouldn't know where to look.

Also, I kow understand why Dyslexicon gets abbreviated to Dizzy instead of Dys. That was too many posts...

This is one of those posts that doesn't say much with a whole lot of words.

Well I guess I lied, SoA would be my first suspect for a deepwolf precisely because of that weird post. They were pretty good for the rest of the day though, so I wouldn't jump there immediately.

SPF was the 'peripheral' member of the triad, and even got some sus during the day. I would say that their case on sig is kind of clearing, for its high effort and grasping at straws, but a push could be easily made by accusong them precisely of that and making up an elaborate case on LHF to ensure a mischop.

That is definitely way too convoluted though.

I was more expecting you (Jay), Sloonei, or maybe illario or Dizzy.

I think figuring out why SPF was chosen might be worth it. He was part of the so called triad but I think other players were more substantive. In other words, I think the wolves might be afraid of SPF specifically?

It's not often that you get to discuss the NK with the NKee.

I think the worst posts of yesterday were Lime's burst, although NAI, and SonofAnarch's "you mean you think our interation is t/t" post, which was awkward.

However the more consistently not so great person is falcon. I like some of the things he said and he raised some valid points (like pointing out said weird SoA post), but it is true that he is mostly being contrarian and that's easy to fake.

A priori he seems a good wolf candidate as someone with some thread presence who gets noticed but not a lot of attention.

I am actually intrigued by TSP. Either he was TMIng sig or he just had the right idea. I lean towards the second, at least for now.

Generally I think there have been bad posts and people with bizarre moments but nobody who has been overtly or outright scummy. Kind of glad I got to avoid having to make a bad choice, although I think I would have leant falcon. There has to be at least one wolf in the towncore (why not two) but I wouldn't know where to look.

Also, I kow understand why Dyslexicon gets abbreviated to Dizzy instead of Dys. That was too many posts...

Hi, hi, I am here and all caught up.

I am surprised at the choice of poisoned.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 12:42 am I hereby ban the earnest use of the words "villagery" and "wolfy" as adjectives to describe the actions of players in mafia games on the Syndicate.

President Sloonei, 2021.

wolfy tbh.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 9:25 pm Fleabag has been on my list of Things To Watch for a while.

Don't waste time, go watch now. Fleabag>Mafia. In fact maybe when I get home tonight I'll rewatch all of Fleabag again instead of trying to make it to EoD.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 4:05 pm @Johanna @Dolby @G-Man just a friendly nudge.

I told you I would be busy this weekend

Plus I've already forgotten my password so I can't log in on my phone.