The Syndicate

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Aug 21, 2021 1:20 pm
Dyson sphere wrote: ↑Sat Aug 21, 2021 1:15 pm Look, one of the 9 remaining users has to be scum and I know it isn't me. So that leaves 8, and I'm, like, 99% sure it's Radishes.
I wish I had a clue why you would claim that level of confidence.

It's a secret.

Look, one of the 9 remaining users has to be scum and I know it isn't me. So that leaves 8, and I'm, like, 99% sure it's Radishes.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Aug 21, 2021 12:10 pm
Dyson sphere wrote: ↑Sat Aug 21, 2021 11:40 am
motel room wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 11:24 pm
Dyson sphere wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 11:12 am What day was it when I was almost lynched?
You didnt vote for anybody Day 3? You were definitely around that day - any thoughts on the Mizery, me, Radishes wagons?
I think we should vote Radishes
Is it because you think he's scum, or just a self pres?

Both, I guess

motel room wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 11:24 pm
Dyson sphere wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 11:12 am What day was it when I was almost lynched?
You didnt vote for anybody Day 3? You were definitely around that day - any thoughts on the Mizery, me, Radishes wagons?

I think we should vote Radishes

Well, now I'm voting [VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine

What day was it when I was almost lynched?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 11:05 am
Dyson sphere wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 10:54 am Yeah, I didn't want to get killed on day 1 lol
I'm not sure what you mean. I believe that you didn't want to get killed on Day 1, but how does that relate to Alison's post?

I thought you guys were discussing who was on the scotty voting wagon

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Aug 19, 2021 5:10 pm My first guess yesterday was Dyson, so it's possible I leveled myself out of the truth. If I only get four names he'd be difficult to leave out.

You're just alternating between sussing me and not sussing me. I didn't change. I'm difficult to leave out of any party.

(that looks like a wanking emoji)

I don't believe how falcon is confirmed town all of a sudden.
[VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 8:16 am
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 3:14 pm Scotty
4
Voters: RondoDimBuckle, Master Radishes, JaggedJimmyJay, dunya

Wagon was tied for top. Anyone could have shifted at any time. They held fast to the wagon. Nightkill was on wagon. I am taking all of these to be cleared for now. tutuu and Dyson also seem spewed town by Scotty's ISO.
Dyson is the standout here. All of this rationale can be called well-supported except for the rationale pertaining to Dyson.

Yeah, I didn't want to get killed on day 1 lol

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Aug 19, 2021 3:43 pm We should assume motel room is green peeked

If he is red peeked, the tracker will claim and end the game

If he is green peeked, its better for the tracker to hide. Mafia isnt sure who the tracker is since he killed Mac last night

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

Yeah, that makes sense.

So, I can assume motel is town, and NotAnAxhole is too, because he was the last vote on a wolf. I'm somewhat convinced you and Jay may be town. That leaves only four players: falcon, radishes, nanook and tsp.

Unless tsp is lying, then we need to wait for another role claim.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Aug 19, 2021 3:28 pm Interesting they didn't kill tsp. I guess they don't mind (motel?) being cleared, which seems...suboptimal.

What if tsp is the wolf?

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Aug 17, 2021 6:52 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Aug 17, 2021 6:51 pm
Dyson sphere wrote: ↑Tue Aug 17, 2021 5:36 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Aug 17, 2021 12:00 pm @Dyson sphere please confirm youve received a track tonight and please track motel room tonight
So, I read this earlier and hesitated to respond, because earlier I was unsure if claiming a role was a good thing to do or not. And on that day I didn't have a role. Then mac said he gave me tracker. I checked my discord and inbox several times. Maybe this is a ruse. I don't know what to say.
claiming a role is good thing

at the start of day 3, did you receive a tracker?

do you currently have one or not?
you're saying "no" im gathering but you're also saying "that day", but this was this day (phase) (day 3)

No, when I originally asked if roleclaiming was a good thing or a bad thing, that was before day 3. And on day 3 I got asked again. I mean because mac said he sent me a role, so I felt I had to respond to that, because there was another night since before.

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Aug 17, 2021 12:00 pm @Dyson sphere please confirm youve received a track tonight and please track motel room tonight

So, I read this earlier and hesitated to respond, because earlier I was unsure if claiming a role was a good thing to do or not. And on that day I didn't have a role. Then mac said he gave me tracker. I checked my discord and inbox several times. Maybe this is a ruse. I don't know what to say.

No wait, my post also said day 1. Maybe I had my browser tab open for three days? Idgi whatever

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 17, 2021 5:28 pm
Dyson sphere wrote: ↑Tue Aug 17, 2021 5:27 pm How come the post titles switch between days here?
It defaults to the post title of a post being quoted.

Yeah, except when tutuu just quoted me, my post was from day 3, but her title did day 1.

That's sus.

Just kidding.

How come the post titles switch between days here?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Aug 15, 2021 2:59 pm [VOTE: alison] aubergine

I'm moving NAA to the bottom of my poe list, because it was the last vote on Allison and I don't see how that would have been strategically sound for a wolf.

I'm doing easy takes here. I haven't played this game in a while, at least not beyond day 1.

Feel free to criticise this point. Would wolves want to risk tying one of their own near the end? Bit of a gamble, right? Would that be enough to clear NAA?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 6:24 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 6:19 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 4:30 pm
Mizery wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 2:36 pm Does scotty's entrance look like it could be a pocket attempt on me or am I making that up
I entered before you, goober

Also you’re probs the closest townread I have, and I don’t give town reads early often because I suck at tone reads and D1s are the bane of my existence

So yea, sure, jump in my cargo shorts
I still don’t see Mizery as a good fit with Scotty.
*Shrug*

I suppose if we want to sweep, we aught to think about it.

What does sweep mean here?

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Aug 17, 2021 12:03 pm Definitely dont track macdougall or jay theyre confirmed town

I agree with this, if we're all sure that mac is the pr guy. And for Jay there was some kind of confirmation, tbh I'm not sure I fully understand but OK. Now assuming they are town, then either you are town too or you are trying to trick me.

Assuming you're town, then that makes mac, Jay, you and myself, four. Out of 11. That leaves 7.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 17, 2021 4:14 pm I think it's Dyson lol

Why, because I haven't responded to the tracker yet? Tbh I wasn't sure what to say about it. I think this is some kind of ruse to trick me.

Lol, I voted for the wrong person both times.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Aug 15, 2021 1:41 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Aug 15, 2021 1:40 pm TSP is here now for his last minute vote switch then to pretend he wasnt here at the end of the day again

Axe is also viewing
Maybe, but this is a bad method to read people. I always leave a game tab open on my computer even when not actively playing. (I usually keep my login private specifically to avoid people giving takes like this tbh.)

I believe this defense. A cookie saying some account is active doesn't mean the brain inside the person who registered the account is actually actively thinking about the game. I've had the thread open for so long and seeing letters with my own eyes doesn't actually mean I'm reading.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Aug 15, 2021 11:59 am @Dyson sphere please its really important to say if u got a role, do u?

No, I do not have a role

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Aug 15, 2021 12:52 pm @Dyson sphere @motel room

You guys gonna get on a meaningful wagon or keep your invalid votes or switch at the last second?

Yes, alright, I am going to get on a meaningful wagon, I am not going to keep my invalid votes, I may switch at the last second.

So, upon further investigation, I have concluded that I am going to
[VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine

Because you guys always wanna have reads and what not

I meant either rondo or mac is town

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Aug 15, 2021 12:44 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Aug 15, 2021 12:43 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Aug 15, 2021 12:30 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 15, 2021 12:12 am This just feels like one of those games where the town are overthinking things and there are enough scummy/antagonistic townies floating around doing bizarre shit on top of it to help feed into it.
and what if he flips town?
Do you think I'm town?
thats irrelevant to my question to Mac.

The only person I think is town is Mac and Dunya

I think either rondo is mac. Satisfied now? I thought pretty long about this read.

Everyone else is wolf. Or poe, eventually I learned what that means, process of elimination.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 6:50 pm
motel room wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 6:40 pm I guess it can look like that. Its actually "suspected for bad reasons". Does nobody read my posts? Do you think the weight of Alison's case on me has any natural progression?
I'm not sure that it can. She joined the game and you were among her first reads. Perhaps the confidence expressed is inordinate. That doesn't say a lot to me about Alison in particular (including not making me believe her more or less). "Progression" for a player in her position might not be the right thing to look for.

I'm torn on you personally. If you can continue to make posts and do the best you can to find the solution to the game your own way, that will help me a lot.

Alright, this is the only thing I remember from when I played mafia last. It's that you ask people to make more posts.

Now if I knew if you did this only as town or only as wolf, then I would know what you are. But I suspect that you always do that anyway.

I'm torn on you personally. If you can continue to make posts and do the best you can to find the solution to the game your own way, that will help me a lot.

Alright, quick question, I've been reading more than one player bemoan the post cap. Do you guys honestly believe that unlimited posting would actually help yourselves or each other or anyone really? I'm sure some of you could make a 1000 posts in a day phase. What would that even accomplish, I just can't understand that. What is there to say except make the thread require more effort to read?

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Aug 15, 2021 11:39 am
Dyson sphere wrote: ↑Sun Aug 15, 2021 11:39 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 8:54 pm well I will find out if Mac is mafia tomorrow by using my power but considering there are no other claims for powers it means Scott was power role wolf mechs wise. so Mac is hard clear and if mac is hard clear I am soft? clear because I didnt throw him under the bus? Nah I am NAI at best
What if there are other players who received a role and haven't spoken up about it yet? At which point should one claim a role?
They should claim it immediately

Do u have one?

But if I had a power role wouldn't that make me a target for a night kill?

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Aug 15, 2021 11:38 am
Dyson sphere wrote: ↑Sun Aug 15, 2021 11:35 am
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 11:19 pm My reads haven't really changed. I continue to feel comfortable with my POE ordering and nothing has made me question my townclears. My legacy is clear, and I think it's also fairly uncontroversial: go motel first, then TSP, then nanook, then Axe/Falcon and you should win. Kill me to assuage your doubts if you must; we have space for an extra misexe if both scum are contained in those five names. Reasses at LyLo in case it's MR slipping past the cracks or something, but until then I feel that this game is going in the right direction and should be kept on rails. A mafia died D1 and left behind clear spew and clear wagonomics; we should play properly based on that. Don't let people in the POE cause chaos or try to open it up with tinfoil and shade-throwing on townie but framable slots like Mizery or MR before LyLo. Don't ever leave motel alive past D3 if you kill me.
Wagonomics, lol, you guys have this game down like a science. But like players who are mafia can also vote for lynching fellow mafia players. Is this a likely scenario or an unlikely scenario? How can you tell?
Yeah fam we nerds play this for years and years hahah

Even chess got (mostly) solved by computers

Yeah, I wonder how AI would solve mafia. I've been thinking about that question last night actually. Another game that isn't solved yet is Magic: The Gathering, a card game. I think it's interesting, but I tried learning it and gave up too. I prefer simple games like uno.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 8:54 pm well I will find out if Mac is mafia tomorrow by using my power but considering there are no other claims for powers it means Scott was power role wolf mechs wise. so Mac is hard clear and if mac is hard clear I am soft? clear because I didnt throw him under the bus? Nah I am NAI at best

What if there are other players who received a role and haven't spoken up about it yet? At which point should one claim a role?

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 11:19 pm My reads haven't really changed. I continue to feel comfortable with my POE ordering and nothing has made me question my townclears. My legacy is clear, and I think it's also fairly uncontroversial: go motel first, then TSP, then nanook, then Axe/Falcon and you should win. Kill me to assuage your doubts if you must; we have space for an extra misexe if both scum are contained in those five names. Reasses at LyLo in case it's MR slipping past the cracks or something, but until then I feel that this game is going in the right direction and should be kept on rails. A mafia died D1 and left behind clear spew and clear wagonomics; we should play properly based on that. Don't let people in the POE cause chaos or try to open it up with tinfoil and shade-throwing on townie but framable slots like Mizery or MR before LyLo. Don't ever leave motel alive past D3 if you kill me.

Wagonomics, lol, you guys have this game down like a science. But like players who are mafia can also vote for lynching fellow mafia players. Is this a likely scenario or an unlikely scenario? How can you tell?

Softwarewolf or hardwarewolf?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 15, 2021 9:04 am I gave a cop check to the mafia didn't I lol

So do you know this or are you guessing it? Which player was that again?

Radical radish

I'm making another post to increase my post count.

Dunya said if jjj was mafia, she was mafia as well. Then she or her slot got night killed.

So maybe that means jjj isn't mafia? Too early to tell

Also, I initially had jjj on my scumtell list. I have to catch up some more before I reevaluate, just to say I haven't forgotten.

And sucks about dunya subbing out. I hope she's doing alright.

[VOTE: macdougall] aubergine

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 2:39 pm
Dyson sphere wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 2:38 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 2:34 pm
Dyson sphere wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 2:32 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 10:52 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 10:51 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 10:50 am Did we deal with the mech bs yet
I don't understand why we care
Well technically, and I’ve read maybe 30 percent of the thread, Rondo is CCing Mac. This seems careworthy
What is CCing? When I signed up, I had no idea I was expected to understand so much jargon.
Counter Claim
Alright, so they are both role providers. That means one of them is mafia and the other one is town. We just have to figure out who is which.
No

Mac says he's a role provided and sent rondo a cop n1

Rondo said he got nothing

Then rondo got the insane cop role, which means mac is the mafia role provider.

Guys, I solved it lol

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 2:34 pm
Dyson sphere wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 2:32 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 10:52 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 10:51 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 10:50 am Did we deal with the mech bs yet
I don't understand why we care
Well technically, and I’ve read maybe 30 percent of the thread, Rondo is CCing Mac. This seems careworthy
What is CCing? When I signed up, I had no idea I was expected to understand so much jargon.
Counter Claim

Alright, so they are both role providers. That means one of them is mafia and the other one is town. We just have to figure out who is which.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 10:52 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 10:51 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 10:50 am Did we deal with the mech bs yet
I don't understand why we care
Well technically, and I’ve read maybe 30 percent of the thread, Rondo is CCing Mac. This seems careworthy

What is CCing? When I signed up, I had no idea I was expected to understand so much jargon.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 12:36 pm If Scotty was indeed a negative util scum PR I wouldn’t feel good clearing the wagon

What is a negative util?

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 10:56 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 10:52 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 10:51 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 10:50 am Did we deal with the mech bs yet
I don't understand why we care
Well technically, and I’ve read maybe 30 percent of the thread, Rondo is CCing Mac. This seems careworthy
mac is the PR giver, he gave the cop to rondo

Alright, cool. So which player should the cop target now?

Tomorrow I'm going to vote dunya

Ha, it worked! My first vote!

Alright, I'm going to vote [VOTE: JaggedJimmyJay] aubergine

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Aug 12, 2021 12:54 pm
Dyson sphere wrote: ↑Thu Aug 12, 2021 12:09 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Aug 12, 2021 4:23 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Aug 12, 2021 4:21 am
Mizery wrote: ↑Thu Aug 12, 2021 4:20 am So the town read on rondo would be for his apparent lack of care of how he is percieved it seems
that is my current stance yes
I think there's room for Rondo to want to look like he doesn't care how he is perceived, if you knawmsaying.
This is where I thought, yeah, I don't care either, so now I'm gonna pick you Jay, because apparently, I've gotta pick somebody.

So do you think I am town since you think he is mafia for thinking I am? Or am I reading more into this than is there?

I was putting myself in the shoes of that person that JJJ is talking about and I was thinking, all I know is that I'm town and who is that person to say I'm not town? Like, what gives him the right?
And later I totally forgot who that post was referring to, but now that you ask me, I think since Mizery said that, I suppose they're town and I don't know about your alignment. I like mizery's profile pic, so I think they're town.

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