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by RondoDimBuckle
Tue Mar 21, 2023 9:59 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Season 10 Champs Practice Game [END - MAFIA WIN]
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Re: Season 10 Champs Practice Game [DAY 1]

Sabiplz wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 9:58 pm Anyway:

Whatever lucy flips: stare at Rondo tomorrow.

Hope I don't die tonight but if I do
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by RondoDimBuckle
Tue Mar 21, 2023 9:57 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Season 10 Champs Practice Game [END - MAFIA WIN]
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Re: Season 10 Champs Practice Game [DAY 1]

arogame123 wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 9:56 pm
arogame123 wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 5:30 pm Also, the people that believe the “mafia are sheeping and lurking in the sidelines” based on gamestate vibe, yet are voting me as a victim of that “gamestate” read are scummy imo, which is also why I sr Dennise.

I feel their vote on me followed with their statement of their view of the game-state is internally inconsistent and scummy imo.
This too is another gamestate read,

Basically idea is I believe it's likely that mafia are laying back today and just eating popcorn tbh.

It's esp true if pxxy is town given earlier wagons.
Who are these people?
by RondoDimBuckle
Tue Mar 21, 2023 9:55 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Season 10 Champs Practice Game [END - MAFIA WIN]
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Re: Season 10 Champs Practice Game [DAY 1]

Why should I put effort into solving Lucy? Its not against the law to ignore a slot
by RondoDimBuckle
Tue Mar 21, 2023 9:51 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Season 10 Champs Practice Game [END - MAFIA WIN]
Replies: 3501
Views: 56284

Re: Season 10 Champs Practice Game [DAY 1]

Neon wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 9:46 pm
Sabiplz wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 9:20 pm I still cement there's at minimum 1 wolf in rondo/lucygame
How is Rondo Lucy a diff check? Why are they connected in your mind?
Probably just going to do this

[VOTE: sabi] aubergine
by RondoDimBuckle
Tue Mar 21, 2023 9:50 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Season 10 Champs Practice Game [END - MAFIA WIN]
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Re: Season 10 Champs Practice Game [DAY 1]

Seanzie wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 9:44 pm WindwardAway

Porscha


Lilypetal

Neon
pyxxy
Sabiplz
DrWilgy


tutuu

Dennis
falcon45ca
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
RondoDimBuckle


lucy/Aro

I started from my earlier list, and didn't think too hard. I don't know if I can actually explain why Pyxxy and Sabi went up, but they did. Dennis I waffled because of a few posts that looked kind of townie, but saw some more that pinged me, so they went down a little. I decided to just join the entire lower-than-null group into one because I don't know if I could pick a main suspect out of those 4, and Lucy/Aro I don't feel as confident as I did earlier, but I do think they are by far the best chop, so I'mma just leave them there.
If you seriously have me this low you should probably chop me tomorrow, especially if lucy flips wolf
by RondoDimBuckle
Tue Mar 21, 2023 9:40 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Season 10 Champs Practice Game [END - MAFIA WIN]
Replies: 3501
Views: 56284

Re: Season 10 Champs Practice Game [DAY 1]

pyxxy wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 9:38 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 9:27 pm
pyxxy wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 9:22 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 9:15 pm
pyxxy wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 9:12 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 7:34 pm [ed note: my big rondo case was here]
Why can't it be we are both town?
How is this your response to my case, which clearly laid out how I saw the arguments for town Rondo and scum Rondo, and why I landed on scum Rondo?

It feels like you're not taking me seriously. Maybe you're going "tut tut, that newbie pyxxy thinking they're onto something" in your head rn and that's why I'm getting this impression, also I'm not caught up and maybe you actually talk to me later (I checked my tags first), but like you're not actually talking with me.
Your post's are big and I am phone posting so mainly replying to points I care about. Nice trim btw. My main issue is you setting it up as 100% W/t and not t/t or W/W that's what caught my eye
Okay here I'll real time. You're talking about W/t as in wolf!Rondo / town/WWA? Am I getting that right?

If yes then I feel like my response about ending up with lock town WWA as my best read in this game clarifies the WWA t half of the equation, and my case on your explains the W _and_ possible t half on your side, and why I scum read you for it.

If no then sorry and I'll wait for your response to understand exactly what you're asking me.
No you are. I am asking how it's not t/t or W/W how did you rule it out?
I....I just explained that.

"If yes then I feel like my response about ending up with lock town WWA as my best read in this game clarifies the WWA t half of the equation, and my case on your explains the W _and_ possible t half on your side, and why I scum read you for it."

It's right there in the post.

So on the one hand, you're asking me to consider if you and WWA could be t/t, which I literally already explained in my original case post:
pyxxy wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 4:21 am Town Rondo....I think town Rondo actually believed the same thing as Nook, that WWA has slipped about the setup since Rondo had lied about the setup (wee bit of navelgazing here bud). And if there's something I believe about town Rondo, it's that when he smells blood in the water, he goes for the kill. And that's why the rest of the conversations plays out how it did, leading to WWA's full claim.

Scum Rondo....can't believe his luck. He just got someone to PR claim which is either 1) real or 2) fake, and either case advances the scum win condition given WWA hasn't been the most active during D1 and is not widely town read or anything like that (ed note: still time for WWA to townlead the rest of the day!). Not only this, scum Rondo has managed to out a PR _while playing entirely within town Rondo's range_. He gets carried away in the moment and even posts actual screenshots to confirm WWA's claim.
That covers the t/t explanation that you're asking for. I'm telling you that I considered t/t and w/t for you/WWA and came away with you as scum.

------

So you are actually asking me to consider you and WWA could be w/w?

You realize how that looks to me, right?

It looks like you're trying to shake me out of my lock town. Which like. Nah, WWA is lock town.
I don't mind how it looks to you
by RondoDimBuckle
Tue Mar 21, 2023 9:38 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Season 10 Champs Practice Game [END - MAFIA WIN]
Replies: 3501
Views: 56284

Re: Season 10 Champs Practice Game [DAY 1]

I am actually super easy to read
by RondoDimBuckle
Tue Mar 21, 2023 9:33 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Season 10 Champs Practice Game [END - MAFIA WIN]
Replies: 3501
Views: 56284

Re: Season 10 Champs Practice Game [DAY 1]

Sabiplz wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 9:25 pm
arogame123 wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 9:23 pm
Sabiplz wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 9:20 pm I still cement there's at minimum 1 wolf in rondo/lucygame
bro... are you powerwolfing or what?

I am town and I tr Rondo for how his approach this game and chaotic Rondo is NAI, but the way they have kept everyone engaged and constantly pestering people's reads and even pushing on Wind is rand>townie imo.
No I'm quite literally town.

Rondo is a shell of himself. There's no pure town pings from him at all and I'm good at reading Rondo. He hasn't towntold or done anything that is giving me genuine feels.
:slick:
by RondoDimBuckle
Tue Mar 21, 2023 9:29 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Season 10 Champs Practice Game [END - MAFIA WIN]
Replies: 3501
Views: 56284

Re: Season 10 Champs Practice Game [DAY 1]

arogame123 wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 9:23 pm
Sabiplz wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 9:20 pm I still cement there's at minimum 1 wolf in rondo/lucygame
bro... are you powerwolfing or what?

I am town and I tr Rondo for how his approach this game and chaotic Rondo is NAI, but the way they have kept everyone engaged and constantly pestering people's reads and even pushing on Wind is rand>townie imo.
Lol yeah I was going to say fmpov its t/t from sabi it would be you wolf me town and if you're responding it's opposite and this is assuming that there is a wolf between us which I don't think there is. What benefit does wolf rondo have to declare everyone's wrong on lucy when she is the foregone chop for the day instead of just saying yep she wolf and move on in both Worlds of her town and wolf
by RondoDimBuckle
Tue Mar 21, 2023 9:27 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Season 10 Champs Practice Game [END - MAFIA WIN]
Replies: 3501
Views: 56284

Re: Season 10 Champs Practice Game [DAY 1]

pyxxy wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 9:22 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 9:15 pm
pyxxy wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 9:12 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 7:34 pm [ed note: my big rondo case was here]
Why can't it be we are both town?
How is this your response to my case, which clearly laid out how I saw the arguments for town Rondo and scum Rondo, and why I landed on scum Rondo?

It feels like you're not taking me seriously. Maybe you're going "tut tut, that newbie pyxxy thinking they're onto something" in your head rn and that's why I'm getting this impression, also I'm not caught up and maybe you actually talk to me later (I checked my tags first), but like you're not actually talking with me.
Your post's are big and I am phone posting so mainly replying to points I care about. Nice trim btw. My main issue is you setting it up as 100% W/t and not t/t or W/W that's what caught my eye
Okay here I'll real time. You're talking about W/t as in wolf!Rondo / town/WWA? Am I getting that right?

If yes then I feel like my response about ending up with lock town WWA as my best read in this game clarifies the WWA t half of the equation, and my case on your explains the W _and_ possible t half on your side, and why I scum read you for it.

If no then sorry and I'll wait for your response to understand exactly what you're asking me.
No you are. I am asking how it's not t/t or W/W how did you rule it out?
by RondoDimBuckle
Tue Mar 21, 2023 9:15 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Season 10 Champs Practice Game [END - MAFIA WIN]
Replies: 3501
Views: 56284

Re: Season 10 Champs Practice Game [DAY 1]

pyxxy wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 9:12 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 7:34 pm [ed note: my big rondo case was here]
Why can't it be we are both town?
How is this your response to my case, which clearly laid out how I saw the arguments for town Rondo and scum Rondo, and why I landed on scum Rondo?

It feels like you're not taking me seriously. Maybe you're going "tut tut, that newbie pyxxy thinking they're onto something" in your head rn and that's why I'm getting this impression, also I'm not caught up and maybe you actually talk to me later (I checked my tags first), but like you're not actually talking with me.
Your post's are big and I am phone posting so mainly replying to points I care about. Nice trim btw. My main issue is you setting it up as 100% W/t and not t/t or W/W that's what caught my eye
by RondoDimBuckle
Tue Mar 21, 2023 9:10 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Season 10 Champs Practice Game [END - MAFIA WIN]
Replies: 3501
Views: 56284

Re: Season 10 Champs Practice Game [DAY 1]

Neon wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 9:03 pm caught up here's you go

Dennis - towny > scummy meh > scum
DrWilgy - scummy > towny > town
falcon45ca - scummy > towny
Kate - scummy > kinda feel like Dennis is TMIing her town
Lilypetal - town > towny
lucy - scummy > scum > scummy > scum > scummy > Arogame > scummy
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - towny
Neon - town
Porscha - town > lock town never rescind
pyxxy - scummy > scum
RondoDimBuckle - scummy > towny
Sabiplz - scummy
Seanzie - scummy > towny
tutuu - scummy > towny > scum
WindwardAway - scummy > towny > town
Which three are you most likely wrong on?
by RondoDimBuckle
Tue Mar 21, 2023 8:53 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Season 10 Champs Practice Game [END - MAFIA WIN]
Replies: 3501
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Re: Season 10 Champs Practice Game [DAY 1]

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 8:50 pm
Sabiplz wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 8:28 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 8:22 pm Ok got to go

In no order

Rondo probably town

Porscha town

Sean probably town

Tutuu probably mafia but im not sure I believe it lol

Kate town

Wwa town

Dennis maybe town

Neon probably town

Still think lucy/aro town

Everyone else is shrugze
How is Kate town?
I'm really good or I have tmi, take your pick
Tell me about pyxxy
by RondoDimBuckle
Tue Mar 21, 2023 8:47 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Season 10 Champs Practice Game [END - MAFIA WIN]
Replies: 3501
Views: 56284

Re: Season 10 Champs Practice Game [DAY 1]

Porscha wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 8:21 pm I am very clearly a pikachu and not a mimikyu or a ditto
No you're a whooper
by RondoDimBuckle
Tue Mar 21, 2023 8:46 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Season 10 Champs Practice Game [END - MAFIA WIN]
Replies: 3501
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Re: Season 10 Champs Practice Game [DAY 1]

Sabiplz wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 8:27 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 8:14 pm
Sabiplz wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 5:54 pm Esp when you have people supposedly sheeping you.

Rondo and Aro will shift their votes to pyxxy causing it to be 6-6 and a tied end vote.
I'm... Already on pyxxy?
Have you heard of a thing called at the time when I said that you were on falcon. Shocking I know
Yeah I thought the conversation was much more current than it was. Good prediction tho
by RondoDimBuckle
Tue Mar 21, 2023 8:39 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Season 10 Champs Practice Game [END - MAFIA WIN]
Replies: 3501
Views: 56284

Re: Season 10 Champs Practice Game [DAY 1]

Anyone around can I get a hard read on pyxxy town or wolf no lean
by RondoDimBuckle
Tue Mar 21, 2023 8:31 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Season 10 Champs Practice Game [END - MAFIA WIN]
Replies: 3501
Views: 56284

Re: Season 10 Champs Practice Game [DAY 1]

Porscha wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 8:07 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 7:35 pm
Sabiplz wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 1:35 pm
pyxxy wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 1:25 pm If anything the thing I'm having trouble squaring is how arogame and rondo would theoretically be partnered given aro is my scum read and the wagon I am and have been pushing, and so this is an argument for townreading Rondo's actions, but the way it went down during the last bit where you were forced to full claim is just straight up scummy.
Rondo has repeatedly tried to kill the wagon.

Rondo hasn't read lucy post and just confidently townread them even tho behavior is similar to hedgehog.

Hasn't tried to solve lucy and instead sr those pushing on lucy.
What do I get when lucy flips town?
More wrenches. Why dont you care about what we do with and after the flip instead of the flips alignment
What?
by RondoDimBuckle
Tue Mar 21, 2023 8:17 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Season 10 Champs Practice Game [END - MAFIA WIN]
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Views: 56284

Re: Season 10 Champs Practice Game [DAY 1]

[quote=Porscha post_id=1032947 time=1679436939 user_id=1011]
[quote=Sabiplz post_id=1032876 time=1679428070 user_id=1076]
[quote=Porscha post_id=1032868 time=1679426873 user_id=1011]
I feel like sabi focused on the first half of the lucy problem. Rondo saw the second half. I'm kind of surprised rondo didnt sr sabi, or at the very least show suspicion on sabi, for their read on lucy
[/quote]

Uhhh he has
[/quote]

iirc he sr'd you and then went back and forth about both of you having opposite reads on lucy and neither of you bringing forward posts to prove your positions. so I feel his sr is purely b/c you are sr'ing lucy and while rondo likes to throw sr's around like candy, I don't feel like it actually means anything and i think town rondo would put some weight behind the read if he actually meant it

rondo also kept being like "weh porscha has scum equity with nook cuz I sr nook" and then afterwards posted I am in his town core. he is either reaction testing or doesnt mean what he is saying. i imagine he will come back and say his reads weren't that serious and were some form of reaction testing to defer this b/c I know that he knows THAT I KNOW HE IS A WILY MFER (lovingly)[size=150][/size] ((and he is aware of his own placement and perception but I have wolfed with him and he isnt infallible)
[/quote]
I need nook to flip wolf before I really want you and people don't want him today
They were all semi serious

Hahahha highlighted

Nah I am just a man starting at a Pokemon asking her to obv town
by RondoDimBuckle
Tue Mar 21, 2023 8:14 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Season 10 Champs Practice Game [END - MAFIA WIN]
Replies: 3501
Views: 56284

Re: Season 10 Champs Practice Game [DAY 1]

Sabiplz wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 5:54 pm Esp when you have people supposedly sheeping you.

Rondo and Aro will shift their votes to pyxxy causing it to be 6-6 and a tied end vote.
I'm... Already on pyxxy?
by RondoDimBuckle
Tue Mar 21, 2023 7:48 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Season 10 Champs Practice Game [END - MAFIA WIN]
Replies: 3501
Views: 56284

Re: Season 10 Champs Practice Game [DAY 1]

Sabiplz wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 3:47 pm
Porscha wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 3:27 pm I feel like sabi focused on the first half of the lucy problem. Rondo saw the second half. I'm kind of surprised rondo didnt sr sabi, or at the very least show suspicion on sabi, for their read on lucy
Uhhh he has
arogame123 wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 3:46 pm
Porscha wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 3:27 pm I feel like sabi focused on the first half of the lucy problem. Rondo saw the second half. I'm kind of surprised rondo didnt sr sabi, or at the very least show suspicion on sabi, for their read on lucy
I’m pretty sure rondo was pushing on Sabi a little bit irt their push on my slot when Sabi wasn’t fully elaborating or giving specific posts about the sr on me. But I suppose it was pushing Sabi for a different reason rather than the “existence” of a sr on me.
I wouldn't call it a proper push
by RondoDimBuckle
Tue Mar 21, 2023 7:41 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Season 10 Champs Practice Game [END - MAFIA WIN]
Replies: 3501
Views: 56284

Re: Season 10 Champs Practice Game [DAY 1]

Porscha wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 3:27 pm I feel like sabi focused on the first half of the lucy problem. Rondo saw the second half. I'm kind of surprised rondo didnt sr sabi, or at the very least show suspicion on sabi, for their read on lucy
Eh I didn't want to push sabi at that time. Are you trying to scum read me here without saying it?
by RondoDimBuckle
Tue Mar 21, 2023 7:35 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Season 10 Champs Practice Game [END - MAFIA WIN]
Replies: 3501
Views: 56284

Re: Season 10 Champs Practice Game [DAY 1]

Sabiplz wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 1:35 pm
pyxxy wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 1:25 pm If anything the thing I'm having trouble squaring is how arogame and rondo would theoretically be partnered given aro is my scum read and the wagon I am and have been pushing, and so this is an argument for townreading Rondo's actions, but the way it went down during the last bit where you were forced to full claim is just straight up scummy.
Rondo has repeatedly tried to kill the wagon.

Rondo hasn't read lucy post and just confidently townread them even tho behavior is similar to hedgehog.

Hasn't tried to solve lucy and instead sr those pushing on lucy.
What do I get when lucy flips town?
by RondoDimBuckle
Tue Mar 21, 2023 7:34 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Season 10 Champs Practice Game [END - MAFIA WIN]
Replies: 3501
Views: 56284

Re: Season 10 Champs Practice Game [DAY 1]

pyxxy wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 1:32 pm
WindwardAway wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 10:22 am
Seanzie wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 10:10 am
WindwardAway wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 9:58 am
Seanzie wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 9:36 am WindwardAway

Porscha


Lilypetal

Neon
DrWilgy


pyxxy
Sabiplz
tutuu
Dennis


Kate
falcon45ca


NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
RondoDimBuckle


lucy/Aro

Wilgy went up a little bit because of some of their most recent posting, but I am still very wary here since I do think this is fakable for them and could be a response to suspicion rather than a natural progression into better games.

Rondo has trended down a lot because a lot of their takes are not great IMO, and could easily be wolf-motivated. They also have done multiple posts that could easily be pocket attempts.

I am a little worried about Dennis and Tutuu as the both have faded into the background a bit, I want to see more from them before EoD if possible.

Pyxxy on the surface looked good this last page, but beyond the surface it felt shallow, so idk if I want to move them away from null.

Kate and Falcon will need to eventually do things that make me feel things. I'mma ISO Kate right now I think to figure out if they're in the right spot here or not.
Tutuu postcapped so I don't think we're seeing more of her before EoD, and she said it would be 4 am for her so I doubt she'll be back for that 😬

But seriously, what am I missing on Rondo? Why is there suddenly a push on him where there wasn't before? Does he powerwolf? Cause im voting pyxxy for pushing Rondo but ignoring nook, but now that you're also saying you think Rondo could be scum, I want to hear what the case is and why it doesn't necessarily come from town.
Rondo's treatment of you was extremely wolfy IMO. Yes, Rondo can high-post and act crazy as a wolf, not saying that is necessarily wolf-indicative for him, but wolf-compatible for sure. Rondo also has some bad takes on people like Porscha, and his post to me saying "are we finally going to be town that agree?" felt pockety, and he did the same thing to someone else.

The push on Rondo IMO has come from how Rondo has treated you mostly, and I think it is justified.
OK but here's the deal, it doesn't make much sense for Rondo to vaguely cc me after I've vaguely claimed because then as a wolf he puts himself at a 1f1 that he almost always loses, because I gave an actual claim in the end. It benefits him absolutely zero to continue to push me after I clarified my claim.

I will say it's a bit weird he would think I scumslipped by claiming "the wrong setup" as he put it, because as scum i would 100% know what the setup is, and trying to mislead the town by claiming the wrong setup is asinine since the town PRs would just condemn me to death in that case. But I don't really think it's wolfy because it *is* a stupid assumption.
1) He said he was lying about his CC / that he CCs everyone.

2) "It benefits him absolutely zero to continue to push me after I clarified my claim."
This is correct.

And if you look at the thread...rondo immediately leaves after making joke posts about you two distancing each other. So I don't understand why you think it's not possible for Rondo to be scummy here.

3) "I will say it's a bit weird he would think I scumslipped by claiming "the wrong setup" as he put it, because as scum i would 100% know what the setup is"
This is WIFOM, Rondo already said the reads list was fake, if he's scum then the setup for his fake reads list being the real setup is WIFOM.

With your claim we now know it's a 50% chance that town Rondo guessed right or scum Rondo....was doing WIFOM. It's WIFOM and mostly not relevant to why Rondo was actually being scummy.
Why can't it be we are both town?
by RondoDimBuckle
Tue Mar 21, 2023 7:11 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Season 10 Champs Practice Game [END - MAFIA WIN]
Replies: 3501
Views: 56284

Re: Season 10 Champs Practice Game [DAY 1]

Sabiplz wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 1:30 pm Put me in the Rondo is being scummy train. I'm struggling to see how Rondo found lucy in hedgehog but is just townreading lucy this game with zero solving of her slot and trying to kill the wagon repeatedly
My magic only works if I sub into the slot
by RondoDimBuckle
Tue Mar 21, 2023 7:10 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Season 10 Champs Practice Game [END - MAFIA WIN]
Replies: 3501
Views: 56284

Re: Season 10 Champs Practice Game [DAY 1]

pyxxy wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 1:25 pm If anything the thing I'm having trouble squaring is how arogame and rondo would theoretically be partnered given aro is my scum read and the wagon I am and have been pushing, and so this is an argument for townreading Rondo's actions, but the way it went down during the last bit where you were forced to full claim is just straight up scummy.
He wasn't forced to full claim hahaja
by RondoDimBuckle
Tue Mar 21, 2023 7:08 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Season 10 Champs Practice Game [END - MAFIA WIN]
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Views: 56284

Re: Season 10 Champs Practice Game [DAY 1]

Spoiler: show
pyxxy wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 12:56 pm Responding to both of these but I see you're close to postcap so don't feel obligated to respond.
WindwardAway wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 8:11 am Btw what's with the "let's see if Wind becomes a town leader" crap? I've seen it from at least two of you who have been sort of hinting that you think I'm scum for not finding someone to tunnel. Like I get that in every game and I also get tired of it, especially on D1 when I have absolutely no direction I'm going in. Just let me tread water for a day without attempting to drive town off a cliff, geez. And especially as a PR I wanted to make myself just townread enough to evade the vote, but not townread enough that I get instantly NK'ed before I have a chance to act, and being a loud townie is a really good way to ensure that I die.

Anyway, the PR shit is irrelevant and I know half of you are probably waiting for me to rescind. I'm not gonna do it. If this is a protect setup, I do NOT think the doctor should be on me tonight because wolves aren't going to kill me yet. And if they do, oh well, free kill and then Rondo can eat his words. If I survive to endgame and haven't blocked a single kill, you can absolutely wagon me for it, but if we get to that point then chances are the other town PR will have flipped by then and confirm my existence.

Enough about me. Not sure how i feel about Wilgy's catchup so I'm waiting to see more. I did notice that pyxxy's case on Aro seems kind of misplaced because he said that Porscha made that post when she probably hadn't even seen the sub notice, but Porscha explicitly named Aro, not Lucy, so she was definitely aware of it. I don't think it's indicative of a wolf scrabbling at whatever they can, though, I just think it's a mistake. The rest of pyxxy's catchup I liked better than Wilgy's, but I'm not a huge fan of the Rondo paranoia because I'm not sure whether it's real.

I still don't know what Falcon is doing and I guess I'm OK with giving him another say to say something constructive but so far he hasn't, and all he's done is sheep or joke, which doesn't tell me anything at all. And on the topic of lowposters, I'm not sure what Kate is doing, either. She didn't say much and then said she lost WiM because of all the arguing in the thread and hasn't come back since, so hopefully she will come back eventually and do something so I can get a read on her.

I don't think *all* of the inactives are wolves. Probably only one, maybe two if there's a powerwolf, but I also don't really have strong scumreads at this point and I don't really feel bad about it. Part of my attempt to gauge the thread was disrupted by AtE, and the things that weren't AtE felt few and far between, so I've only gotten semi-solid reads on people before and after those points, and coincidentally none of them ended up being scumreads.

Anyway, I feel like I'm talking to myself because probably no one else is awake and I'm wasting posts by doing this, so I'll check back in later.
WindwardAway wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 8:24 am Idk if I need to waste a post to loudly announce moving my vote, but now I'm voting pyxxy.

[VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine

I keep looking over his Rondo paranoia post again and again, and it increasingly worries me the more I look at it. He tagged Wilgy for a second opinion, I guess that's fine, but the whole tone of the post is like, "look, isn't Rondo actually scummy???" which feels like an easy way for a wolf to justify a push on a townie by faking disbelief at his own reads. The whole catchup progression was like "wow what's going on??" and "yeah that's a slip" and then "no that's not a slip, wind is a PR" which is all kinda NAI, but the case on Rondo after that seems like it's built off that progression while ignoring Nanook almost entirely, despite being fully aware he was also involved in that discussion. Why specifically push rondo over nook? I don't like it.
luv 2 b punished for having A Read ™️, normally I get punished for having no reads 🤪 but you don't know that, we're new to each other so it's not personal

I'll try to encapsulate everything here:

1) Weren't you just complaining about all the conversation being about AtE and not content? For legal reasons this is a joke I'm just salty about how me trying to form a read always gets scumread.

2) That said, I think you got confused about my humor, I believe your claim because outing so early when you weren't really a wagon would be extremely foolish, you are lock town to me. Outing as scum would be even more foolish and cause you to go 1 for 1 with a townie at best, so you're lock town to me.

And the bit about "still time for WWA to town lead" is supposed to be Scum Rondo's perspective where he's pushing you and gets you to claim, because you're not _already_ lock town or town read by a lot of the thread, I think you were probably null for a lot of people.

I went from null on you to town lean to scum read to town lock.
(no idea -> unspecified PR claim -> nook saying you scumslipped -> full claim and screenshots).

---

3) You are even doing the right thing and WIFOMing scum about if doc should heal you or not! You. Are. Lock. Town.

4) Wilgy takes time to warm up. That's why I tried to feed him something interesting to chew on. He literally has way more experience than me and if Rondo never powerwolfs, then I get to town read Rondo too.

And if I get to townread Rondo, then I get to scumread Arogame's repeated attempts to distract from you and Rondo's conversation!!! Because then he was trying to stop two townies from finding each other!!!!!! Because as scum all he cares about is that a PR is outed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jesus christ.

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"Why specifically push rondo over nook?"
Because I'm trying to give Wilgy and you and the thread something to work with!

And you know what's wild? You and everybody talking all this shit about Nook yet here we are with nobody voting him!

It really seems like he is an excuse for multiple people in this playerlist, town _and_ scum, to not actually solve the game.

In fact, my catchup post _repeatedly_ points out how Arogame is doing this exact "talk about Nook instead of solving" thing, I scumread Arogame for it + his entrance + how he tried to guilt trip Porscha.

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Okay sorry this game has already been a lot. I think that's everything to respond to in your post. Time to actually read the thread and not spend 30 minutes on two posts, although I think it was worth it because I think you (WWA) will have a much better understanding of where I'm coming from.
Plus I can take it

Also I love this conversation around how I am constantly self meta evaluating and in the same breath that I never power wolf
by RondoDimBuckle
Tue Mar 21, 2023 8:48 am
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Re: Season 10 Champs Practice Game [DAY 1]

So many things to ignore with the wwa and pyxxy posts
by RondoDimBuckle
Tue Mar 21, 2023 8:10 am
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Re: Season 10 Champs Practice Game [DAY 1]

falcon45ca wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 3:03 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 2:00 am revenge vote [VOTE: Falcon] aubergine
[VOTE:

I did feel a tad guilty if that helps]
aubergine
[VOTE:

I still maintain that lovers implies same wincon and historically can win together but I understand that Scotty chose not to.

I just feel balance wise its weird. If you were a neighbouring role that implies I am lovered thats one thing but the name of the chat is lover slooooo but that's just me excusing poor play]
aubergine
by RondoDimBuckle
Tue Mar 21, 2023 2:00 am
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Re: Season 10 Champs Practice Game [DAY 1]

revenge vote [VOTE: Falcon] aubergine
by RondoDimBuckle
Tue Mar 21, 2023 1:20 am
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Re: Season 10 Champs Practice Game [DAY 1]

Wilgy I hope we can find each other this game. Your opening is towny. But I am wary of you as a wolf. Towncore:

Wilgy / Sean / Rondo / Lucy / Porscha / One of (Neon/Tutuu/Sabi)
by RondoDimBuckle
Tue Mar 21, 2023 12:52 am
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Re: Season 10 Champs Practice Game [DAY 1]

Neon, tutuu. If you want me to vote for seanzie today say nothing till 2 hours before EOD
by RondoDimBuckle
Tue Mar 21, 2023 12:48 am
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Re: Season 10 Champs Practice Game [DAY 1]

@DrWilgy me next, its a small one and I want some insights into my insights not just to me
by RondoDimBuckle
Tue Mar 21, 2023 12:25 am
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Re: Season 10 Champs Practice Game [DAY 1]

Spacedaisy wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 12:23 am Guys, this community does not tolerate the kind of disrespectful and inappropriate behavior that went on here. As a staff we are working on figuring out ways to eliminate this kind of toxic behavior that sucks the fun out of games for everyone. remember that this is just a game, and no one gets paid to do this. If you lose, so what? If you win, so what? A win doesn't mean much if you treat others like garbage. Coming under suspicion or losing a game isn't an acceptable excuse to rage and call names and treat like they are worthless. We will not tolerate this.

Now, go have fun.
This is the scummiest post in the game. Clear appeal to authority

[VOTE: Space Daisy ] aubergine
Spoiler: show
for legal reasons SpaceDaisy cant do anything to me because she is in space
by RondoDimBuckle
Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:45 pm
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Re: Season 10 Champs Practice Game [DAY 1]

oops wrong chat pls ignore
by RondoDimBuckle
Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:45 pm
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Re: Season 10 Champs Practice Game [DAY 1]

I have successfully distanced myself from you WWA, there is no chance they will find me now.
by RondoDimBuckle
Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:44 pm
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Re: Season 10 Champs Practice Game [DAY 1]

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:41 pm
arogame123 wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:34 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:32 pm
arogame123 wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:11 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:07 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:03 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 9:56 pm Obviously you think we're in protect but both the town roles there show up in another column too

Is this just tmi from mafia that didn't read the setup closely enough? Am I insane?
lolololol
I mean am I wrong, that's a slip isn't it?
I mean I could see how they misread it. But given their claim, I’m just going to wait out and see if there are any cc’s or not.

If not, then they’re prolly clear.
Eh, atm I'm confident enough they're mafia I'd rather nobody cc and we just kill them tbh
Lol, given what u did to Alison in the anni game, I could believe that you’d want to do this based on ur prior thought but I believe it’s better to let it self resolve lol
What did I do to alison in the anni game?

And naw it isn't gonna self resolve wwa isn't getting nked jf they're town lol
do you type the j on purpose or is that when you are speed typing and you just hit it accidentally?
by RondoDimBuckle
Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:41 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Season 10 Champs Practice Game [END - MAFIA WIN]
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Re: Season 10 Champs Practice Game [DAY 1]

WindwardAway wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:38 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:36 pm
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Screenshot from my phone show me yours @WindwardAway
Oh cool
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me too
by RondoDimBuckle
Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:37 pm
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Topic: Season 10 Champs Practice Game [END - MAFIA WIN]
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Re: Season 10 Champs Practice Game [DAY 1]

Porscha wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:32 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:30 pm
Seanzie wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:24 pm
arogame123 wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:21 pm what differentiates lazy Nook as mafia vs lazy nook as town?

I’ve seen Nook more laid back and trolly as town more often than not.
Nook is trying to find an excuse to sheep someone to remove culpability for their actions, and again, they aren't actually being "laid back and trolly", they're taking pot shots.
So join me on nook instead of lucy who I town read atm?
Btw your lucy townread said she would never flip nook day 1
So? Porscha + Nook up
by RondoDimBuckle
Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:36 pm
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Re: Season 10 Champs Practice Game [DAY 1]

Spoiler: show
Image
Screenshot from my phone show me yours @WindwardAway
by RondoDimBuckle
Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:30 pm
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Topic: Season 10 Champs Practice Game [END - MAFIA WIN]
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Re: Season 10 Champs Practice Game [DAY 1]

Seanzie wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:24 pm
arogame123 wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:21 pm what differentiates lazy Nook as mafia vs lazy nook as town?

I’ve seen Nook more laid back and trolly as town more often than not.
Nook is trying to find an excuse to sheep someone to remove culpability for their actions, and again, they aren't actually being "laid back and trolly", they're taking pot shots.
So join me on nook instead of lucy who I town read atm?
by RondoDimBuckle
Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:29 pm
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Re: Season 10 Champs Practice Game [DAY 1]

Porscha wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:23 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 9:07 pm
Porscha wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 9:07 pm @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME sorry daddy I dont actually expect my vote to stay on pyxxy

Probs still best to flip aro
Why do you want to flip a town slot by pinging a wolf?
Can you stop talking to me like I believe your perception is the unwaveringly correct answer to all of life's problems? Thanks.
A) No
B) Porscha wolf now
by RondoDimBuckle
Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:27 pm
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Topic: Season 10 Champs Practice Game [END - MAFIA WIN]
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Re: Season 10 Champs Practice Game [DAY 1]

WindwardAway wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:17 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:15 pm
WindwardAway wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:14 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:11 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:07 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:03 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 9:56 pm Obviously you think we're in protect but both the town roles there show up in another column too

Is this just tmi from mafia that didn't read the setup closely enough? Am I insane?
lolololol
I mean am I wrong, that's a slip isn't it?
I am just interested why you think its a scum slip and not a town slip? Why could I not be lying about my claim?
Why would that ever be a town slip from me? I didn't say "we are in protect because I'm a jailkeeper", I said "mafia has a jailkeeper" which implies I'm confident that mafia has a jailkeeper and only a jailkeeper. That would be a scum slip if mafia does, in fact, have a jailkeeper. If I only said "I think we are in the protect setup where mafia has a jailkeeper" then yeah it could imply I'm either a doctor or jailkeeper. But I didn't say that, because I'm an idiot and I don't think about wording before I open my mouth.
You really are new to Mafia arent you?
I'm not
And we're not doing the "town can't read the setup properly" thing
I lied, I knew the block setup was also a thing before the game started, like when I read the champs setup maybe a week ago, but i just completely forgot about it after that
No I am saying you are new to mafia for A) Claiming a pr before you are actually going over. you're not but you flinched way too early B) You keep interrupting to protect nook instead of letting him respond. Which is the reason I first scum read you and you didnt listen so it only makes you look scummier and scummier.

So either way I want to chop you more
by RondoDimBuckle
Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:16 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Season 10 Champs Practice Game [END - MAFIA WIN]
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Re: Season 10 Champs Practice Game [DAY 1]

WindwardAway wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:15 pm
Seanzie wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:14 pm
WindwardAway wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:11 pm
Seanzie wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:11 pm [VOTE: arogame123] aubergine
Why Aro and not me?
Because your claim is CC'able by a single role and I don't think it benefits a wolf to go 1-1 like this with a town PR.

In particular IF ANYONE is a town PR that is NOT Odd night doc or 2-shot roleblocker, you can CC WindwardAway.
I'm pretty sure Rondo already cc'd me but I think he's town
I did CC you but I always CC everyone soooooo its probably a lie
by RondoDimBuckle
Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:15 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Season 10 Champs Practice Game [END - MAFIA WIN]
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Views: 56284

Re: Season 10 Champs Practice Game [DAY 1]

WindwardAway wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:14 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:11 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:07 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:03 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 9:56 pm Obviously you think we're in protect but both the town roles there show up in another column too

Is this just tmi from mafia that didn't read the setup closely enough? Am I insane?
lolololol
I mean am I wrong, that's a slip isn't it?
I am just interested why you think its a scum slip and not a town slip? Why could I not be lying about my claim?
Why would that ever be a town slip from me? I didn't say "we are in protect because I'm a jailkeeper", I said "mafia has a jailkeeper" which implies I'm confident that mafia has a jailkeeper and only a jailkeeper. That would be a scum slip if mafia does, in fact, have a jailkeeper. If I only said "I think we are in the protect setup where mafia has a jailkeeper" then yeah it could imply I'm either a doctor or jailkeeper. But I didn't say that, because I'm an idiot and I don't think about wording before I open my mouth.
You really are new to Mafia arent you?
by RondoDimBuckle
Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:12 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Season 10 Champs Practice Game [END - MAFIA WIN]
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Views: 56284

Re: Season 10 Champs Practice Game [DAY 1]

WindwardAway wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:11 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:09 pm
WindwardAway wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:02 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:01 pm
WindwardAway wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 9:23 pm Also, nowhere did I ever say I wanted to rally town?? I was trying to lie low for good reason but if I need to just die in order to be cleared then that works too.
Secondarily if you were trying to lie low why would you want to be on main wagon on a wolf?
When was I on a main wagon on a wolf? Do you know something I don't? Cause if you do, just tell me and I'll vote them out.
So.... let me recap....

You thought Rondo is town
You see Rondo voting Nook wolf
You join Rondo town because Nook wolf

Now you are telling me you want to lie low

You say Nook is not wolf?
Nook is not a main wagon, though?? Also you say Nook is a wolf but if you're town then you still have a chance at being wrong
Cause Nook's gotcha on me actually looks towny and I'm not going to explain why
weird that it looks towny and not scum that is opportunistic when you are a power role and nook is someone you scum read with me just moments ago?
by RondoDimBuckle
Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:11 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Season 10 Champs Practice Game [END - MAFIA WIN]
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Views: 56284

Re: Season 10 Champs Practice Game [DAY 1]

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:07 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:03 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 9:56 pm Obviously you think we're in protect but both the town roles there show up in another column too

Is this just tmi from mafia that didn't read the setup closely enough? Am I insane?
lolololol
I mean am I wrong, that's a slip isn't it?
I am just interested why you think its a scum slip and not a town slip? Why could I not be lying about my claim?
by RondoDimBuckle
Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:09 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Season 10 Champs Practice Game [END - MAFIA WIN]
Replies: 3501
Views: 56284

Re: Season 10 Champs Practice Game [DAY 1]

WindwardAway wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:02 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:01 pm
WindwardAway wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 9:23 pm Also, nowhere did I ever say I wanted to rally town?? I was trying to lie low for good reason but if I need to just die in order to be cleared then that works too.
Secondarily if you were trying to lie low why would you want to be on main wagon on a wolf?
When was I on a main wagon on a wolf? Do you know something I don't? Cause if you do, just tell me and I'll vote them out.
So.... let me recap....

You thought Rondo is town
You see Rondo voting Nook wolf
You join Rondo town because Nook wolf

Now you are telling me you want to lie low

You say Nook is not wolf?
by RondoDimBuckle
Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:03 pm
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Topic: Season 10 Champs Practice Game [END - MAFIA WIN]
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Views: 56284

Re: Season 10 Champs Practice Game [DAY 1]

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 9:56 pm Obviously you think we're in protect but both the town roles there show up in another column too

Is this just tmi from mafia that didn't read the setup closely enough? Am I insane?
lolololol
by RondoDimBuckle
Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:01 pm
Forum: Previous Heists
Topic: Season 10 Champs Practice Game [END - MAFIA WIN]
Replies: 3501
Views: 56284

Re: Season 10 Champs Practice Game [DAY 1]

WindwardAway wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 9:23 pm Also, nowhere did I ever say I wanted to rally town?? I was trying to lie low for good reason but if I need to just die in order to be cleared then that works too.
Secondarily if you were trying to lie low why would you want to be on main wagon on a wolf?

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