The Syndicate

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 7:33 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 7:23 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 7:15 am The creature Michele spew is an interesting take. Will look at that to see what you’re seeing.

But yea osie is top scum read for me

Go reread the Michelle/Creature interactions and take careful note of how Michelle NEVER tried to get Creature wagoned even after she backs off me.

She goes to LoMo instead.

Actually that might just spew LoMo town.

Little more hedgey on that one though because it was basically a Vanity Wagon until she got directly called out by Alison. (I think I remember it being Alison.)

Bruh she pretty much pushed me for lowposting and brought outdated meta to support her case. There's no cred to be gained from her if I'm wolf here.

Most likely she just needed a wolfread to keep her ass sitting somewhere and I happened to be her favorite lowposter.

Is my meta on you also outdated then? I haven't really played with you, just heard rumours on MU of "Creature always lurks hard as scum."

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 7:32 am

osieorb18 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 7:30 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 7:10 am Towny:
hollowkatt
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Alison
honey
Flea the Magician

<- No wolves above this line

Kinda towny:
MacDougall
Lime Coke
Scotty
lost monkey

Null:
Garden Gnome
osieorb18

POE:
TripleHaven
Dolby
Creature
TonyStarkPrime
listo95

Updated after reading Spew

I don't hate this list but Scotty and LoMo are not really towny at all.

Hoss you're gonna have to explain how Scotty's solvin' since bein' put on trial is bad.

Look's like he's a fine upstandin' gentleperson who just got the wrong side of a piece o' paper. And who reads the bloody legal docas anyhow?

Scotty still feels to me like he's playing with agenda, and he kept trying to manipulate the wagons on D1.

I think at the moment, my PoE looks something like:

Dolby
listo
lost monkey
Nanook
Scotty
TSP

Though I haven't dived in depth yet for this Day phase.

I would have Creature in there but I think Scotty's spewed Creature town.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 7:30 am

osieorb18 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 7:27 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 7:07 am Dolby gets almost no space in her entire ISO

This is usually a pretty big tell for Michelle.

W/w tell or towntell?

W/W Tell. I know this might not look great for me, but the people Michelle interacts with the least are usually her teammates.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 7:10 am Towny:
hollowkatt
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Alison
honey
Flea the Magician

<- No wolves above this line

Kinda towny:
MacDougall
Lime Coke
Scotty
lost monkey

Null:
Garden Gnome
osieorb18

POE:
TripleHaven
Dolby
Creature
TonyStarkPrime
listo95

Updated after reading Spew

I don't hate this list but Scotty and LoMo are not really towny at all.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 7:07 am Dolby gets almost no space in her entire ISO

This is usually a pretty big tell for Michelle.

[VOTE: TonyStarkPrime] aubergine

I'm down to believe HK's claim.

Also still potentially down to vote out Scotty or LoMo.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 2:31 am do you think HK is towny

More than you last I checked.

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 2:17 pm Osie’s iso RE: Michele:

Spoiler: show

“Michelle's vote on HK is entirely random? “
“Michelle is being very friendly and reaching out without much to it and I'm not sure if I like it or dislike it.”
“Michelle 58 feels a little stilted but still could come from either alignment.”
“Michelle embracing the social elements is giving me very light scumpings.”
“ Michelle still slightly sus to me since it looks like she's trying to fly a little low while appearing present with posts like 80. The vote on me is NAI but the chainsawing townread feels odd.”
Reads her as scum lean

So far I’m finding that any time there is a criticism of Michele, there tends to be a modifier that casts doubt on her suspicion. Too many outs.

Spoiler: show

“Michelle is AWKWARD here... I don't remember ever seeing her look this awkward.”
“ @Michelle - Do you feel engaged in this game?”

osieorb18 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 5:36 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 5:29 pm Can we not focus so much on meta from other games and play instead this game?

I want to put this up on my wall, Michelle.

Scumleans:

Flea the Magician
Michelle
Seanzie

osieorb18 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 5:39 pm [VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

Between this and Falcon for me right now and I like MacDougall a hell of a lot more than either Seanzie or Ender at this time.

Wow. So I get the vote since I had some sort of leading wagon. But why even mention liking Mac more than Seanzie or Ender? Seanzie wasn’t even really a train if I recall, and the last list Osie gave had Seanzie as a scumlean. Interesting.

osieorb18 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:16 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:12 pm 1. @lost monkey ISO - lean wolf
3. @falcon45ca ISO - lean town
4. @hollowkatt ISO - lean town
5. @Lime Coke ISO - lean town
6. @Flea the Magician ISO - lean town
7. @ NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME ISO - lean town
8. @Alison ISO - strong town
9. @Michelle ISO - strong town
10. @EnderWiggin ISO - lean wolf
11. @TripleHaven ISO - lean town
12. @Dolby ISO - lean wolf
13. @Scotty ISO - lean wolf
14. @Garden Gnome ISO - lean wolf
15. @honey ISO - lean town
16. @Creature ISO - lean town
17. @Seanzie ISO - strong town
18. @listo95 ISO - lean town
19. @mansnicks ISO - lean town
20. @TonyStarkPrime ISO - lean town
21. @osieorb18 ISO - strong town

Why the townlean on Falcon? I don't think I disagree with most of your other reads (at least out of the ones I quoted); I'm still getting there on a few of them, but they're within margin of error (read to null or lean to lean) on pretty much all of them other than falcon.

Vague as shit answer here. “They’re within margin of error on pretty much all of them??”

osieorb18 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:16 pm @MacDougall Oh yeah, also not sure about why the strong town on Seanzie.

*Michele strong town*

Forget about her? Or did you forget you read her as scum lean?

Final reads list of D1:

“Michelle can be a townlean for now. I didn't care for her start, but I've liked her posts a bit more as the game has gone on. Keeping an eye on her to avoid being pocketed again though.“

Now this could very well be a logical progression of a townie solving the game in their own way. I acknowledge that. I can also see the viewpoint of a partner taking just enough precaution to distance in the beginning, and slowly backing off over time.

Leaving my vote on Osie for now

Man, I've been wanting to play in a chat with Michelle for years now. I wish I could be on a team with her.

And... I'm going to sleep but I'll try to be up in the next couple hours at some point.

Okay here we go, ISO by ISO...

- Lost monkey bothers me; their posts feel like they come in media res, which is particularly bizarre when they're relatively low activity.

- MacDougall feels like they're sorting. I like the way they ask questions. The subtlety to some of their reads is a good look.

- Falcon continues to feel scummy AF. Not much more to say here.

- HK is a hard one for me here because I like a bunch of their posts, but then I get small wolfpings here and there and the paranoia just won't go away. I'm trusting my gut on this and going for a townlean, but it doesn't matter how I read them because I'm going to hate myself either way.

- Lime Coke reminds me of Zone Q11, but with a bit of newb!town purity to their posts. They feel like a player who has the experience to be great but at the same time, they play like a new player who has partially latched onto the bad idea that playing scummy is a solid strategy, and is partly just a foal, struggling to find their footing in a harsh world. I feel like they are an easy miselim and I want to see more from them before I see them eliminated.

- Flea is odd to me. Most of what I get out of them feels NAI, but I don't feel like they're actually just fluffing. I think I'll put them at null, tbh, to be PoE'd to Town or Scum later?

- Alison has way too much subtlety and material to her posts to be a wolf, IMO. Still want to hear answers to my questions to her, but otherwise feeling good here.

- Michelle can be a townlean for now. I didn't care for her start, but I've liked her posts a bit more as the game has gone on. Keeping an eye on her to avoid being pocketed again though.

- I think I would hard scumread EnderWiggin if not for feeling a huge degree of playstyle clash between me and them. As is, I still want to scumlean them, though. I'm kinda sussing a Wiggin-HK world but it's not a solid enough tinfoil at this point.

- TH is moving down to a townlean; some tinfoils on the lack of either quantity or quality to their posts despite some good early tone. Those tinfoils are getting stronger by the minute as I reread their ISO over and over so my read there might even drop further.

- Dolby is still a comfortable townlean. I wish I was getting a bit more out of them since I think they're one of the stronger players in this game despite the playerbase, but I like what I do see.

- The way Scotty responds to Alison in #471 feels really gross. "Oh, I made this post you don't like? Well, yeah, it's scummy, but I actually agree with what you were saying even though that contradicts the post that you just called me out for." Their ISO in general doesn't help matters; for a lot of the early game they'd either been playing defense or not really putting in the thought behind their small-ish handful of pokes and prods. I actually start to like a few of their later posts, but the posts I like just feel too interspersed with, for lack of a better word, garbage. [Insert sad kitten here]

- Garden Gnome... Strongest townread ever just for #544. (Just kidding.) I think I have to put them at Hard Null. I'm super conflicted on this slot; they've posted some good stuff, but their content just feels very ehh overall? Like, I'm not even meh on really much of their posts, just very . Hard fencesit, feels like. I kinda hate that I don't have a good read here.

- Honey just makes me feel old. They feel crazy pure. Like pure water pure. I'mma trust my heart on this. If honey is scum here, I feel like I could retire from mafia having seen the true face of a mafia god.

- Creature is one of those players that makes me forget that there's a human on the other end. I just don't feel like they are trying to play? I don't know why they're this disengaged, but I don't like it. I get a few townpings from a couple posts, so I'll leave them at a scumlean, but I think I need to see like a dozen of those to not push the hell out of them in D2/D3.

- Seanzie is just being too obnoxious to people to be scum, I feel. Like, they're drawing attention in a way that doesn't feel scum-motivated. If they disappear entirely, then meh, but for now, I'm putting them up to a townlean.

- Listo95 exists? Someone mentioned that they were spending a ton of time talking about themself and I definitely see that in their posts. They seem to be having a bad day regardless of their alignment, but I'm inclined to say they're just scum.

- mansnicks terrifies me... I think they have some good takes but its interspersed with some pretty terrible posting. It feels weird since I think of mansnicks as another one of the stronger players here... Feels almost lolcatty right now. I'mma leave them at null for toDay.

- I kinda feel like TSP is associatively scummy; they seem like they fit into a lot of worlds. But individually... I just don't like their playstyle. I don't know. They could still be town, I'm just like 2/3rds of the way there on a scumread.

%%%

Townreads:

Alison
honey
Lime Coke
MacDougall

Townleans:

Dolby
HK
Michelle
Seanzie
TH

Hard Null:

Flea the Magician
Garden Gnome
mansnicks
NANOOK

Scumleans:

Creature
EnderWiggin
TonyStarkPrime

Scumreads:

Falcon
listo95
lost monkey
Scotty

%%%
%%%

That is a list. Given the patterns of votes, I'm leaning a bit more towards Ender being town, but not enough to lose their individual scumlean. I'm happy with any of my scumreads or scumleans being eliminated, but I think we get the most info out of sticking with one of the current top wagons. Maybe Listo or LoMo are better eliminations though? LoMo in particular has some amount of interaction and is incredibly odd.

I'll move back to Scotty if necessary, but for the moment:

[VOTE: Lost Monkey] aubergine

@Michelle @MacDougall You two also had scumreads on LoMo, no?

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:10 pm

osieorb18 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:31 pm

osieorb18 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:30 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:19 pm

osieorb18 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:06 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:04 pm

honey wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:01 pm you think that since i'm not a newbie player i could be playing like this as scum? is there a compliment in there somewhere..

i read people off motivations personally and so when my scum pool is mans hollow alison adding mac now it's because i do not think their intentions for scumreading me are not pure once again none have outted a concise scumread on me

mac wants me to stop posting but then doesnt post or push on me himself when i threaten to bleed on him
alison only scum read me off a few posts and then even when she opens her scope she sees reasons to tr me but then manages to contrive some tone from somewhere
hollow calls me scum but wont actually push on me or fight me 1 on 1
mansnicks calls me a liar when i made a joke reaction test and then 20 hours later says im his top town tonally

like fr?? and that's on town entitlement~

I don't want you to stop posting. I want you to slow down posting NAI spam because it makes it hard for me to read the game and work out who the wolves are.

I see I have been SarNath'd.

How do you know the legend that is Sarnath? Next thing I know you're gonna say you're annoraxed or something.

MtGSalvation is my origin site.

@hollowkatt Wait a sec, you were in the MtGS crossover game. You know this!

I was? I don't remember the mtgs crossover game.
You're like the only person outside of GoodGamery / Former MiseTings members who I've seen use sarnath

Huh.

Tarot Mafia.

Anyways...

osieorb18 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:30 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:19 pm

osieorb18 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:06 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:04 pm

honey wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:01 pm you think that since i'm not a newbie player i could be playing like this as scum? is there a compliment in there somewhere..

i read people off motivations personally and so when my scum pool is mans hollow alison adding mac now it's because i do not think their intentions for scumreading me are not pure once again none have outted a concise scumread on me

mac wants me to stop posting but then doesnt post or push on me himself when i threaten to bleed on him
alison only scum read me off a few posts and then even when she opens her scope she sees reasons to tr me but then manages to contrive some tone from somewhere
hollow calls me scum but wont actually push on me or fight me 1 on 1
mansnicks calls me a liar when i made a joke reaction test and then 20 hours later says im his top town tonally

like fr?? and that's on town entitlement~

I don't want you to stop posting. I want you to slow down posting NAI spam because it makes it hard for me to read the game and work out who the wolves are.

I see I have been SarNath'd.

How do you know the legend that is Sarnath? Next thing I know you're gonna say you're annoraxed or something.

MtGSalvation is my origin site.

@hollowkatt Wait a sec, you were in the MtGS crossover game. You know this!

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:19 pm

osieorb18 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:06 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:04 pm

honey wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:01 pm you think that since i'm not a newbie player i could be playing like this as scum? is there a compliment in there somewhere..

i read people off motivations personally and so when my scum pool is mans hollow alison adding mac now it's because i do not think their intentions for scumreading me are not pure once again none have outted a concise scumread on me

mac wants me to stop posting but then doesnt post or push on me himself when i threaten to bleed on him
alison only scum read me off a few posts and then even when she opens her scope she sees reasons to tr me but then manages to contrive some tone from somewhere
hollow calls me scum but wont actually push on me or fight me 1 on 1
mansnicks calls me a liar when i made a joke reaction test and then 20 hours later says im his top town tonally

like fr?? and that's on town entitlement~

I don't want you to stop posting. I want you to slow down posting NAI spam because it makes it hard for me to read the game and work out who the wolves are.

I see I have been SarNath'd.

How do you know the legend that is Sarnath? Next thing I know you're gonna say you're annoraxed or something.

MtGSalvation is my origin site.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:09 pmHow are experience-based reads ever good? Beyond that newbies will do stupid things.

Nah, an experience conditional can help when dealing with someone unfamiliar to set an idea for what to expect from their tone.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:06 pm

osieorb18 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:52 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:50 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:29 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:15 pm
Yes, I am not sure about my read. Should I be? If it isn't clear, it was a scumlean on you.

It isn't a waste of a post for me to express how I feel about a slot in the game. Do you expect no one to voice scumreads?

Why are you quoting a ton of posts but not actually doing anything with them/talking about them?

I expect reads, not shades. Your post pinged me hard because we have no history and we didn't interact at all, and the wording was wishy-washy
For eg my suspicion on Creature is based on meta of multiple games and his lack of content in this game.

I just want to keep those posts in my Iso for later in the game, if i am alive i iso myself to see what i found interesting in day 1- this is a day to obtain infos.

Can you post some reads? a list would be enough.

Creature has lack of content in every game on here I've played with him.

Were they scum in all of them?

No. Town in all of them.

It's almost like I wouldn't defend their lack of engagement if they were scum in all of them.

.-.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:01 pm

osieorb18 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 5:55 pm
I apologize. My intent was not to be rude.

I have a very strong townread on you if you are a relatively new player.
If you are a relatively experienced player, I have a scumlean on you.
If you are somewhere in between, probably a townlean.

Overall, I want to say townlean, but I'm trying to figure out roughly how many games you've played and how many years you've played for so I have context for your playstyle. I don't care at all about the actual meta, the content of the games. I have no interest in looking at your old games. I won't get anything out of them; I never read old games to compare. I'm just looking at a number.

I use some odd specific things to form reads sometimes. I'm sorry if that's not what you're used to seeing.

This is a bad read.

no u

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:53 pmSuper unlikely unless you like slanking and memes

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:53 pmSuper unlikely unless you like slanking

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:53 pmunlikely unless you like slanking

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:53 pmunless you like slanking

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:53 pmslanking

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:50 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:29 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:15 pm
Yes, I am not sure about my read. Should I be? If it isn't clear, it was a scumlean on you.

It isn't a waste of a post for me to express how I feel about a slot in the game. Do you expect no one to voice scumreads?

Why are you quoting a ton of posts but not actually doing anything with them/talking about them?

I expect reads, not shades. Your post pinged me hard because we have no history and we didn't interact at all, and the wording was wishy-washy
For eg my suspicion on Creature is based on meta of multiple games and his lack of content in this game.

I just want to keep those posts in my Iso for later in the game, if i am alive i iso myself to see what i found interesting in day 1- this is a day to obtain infos.

Can you post some reads? a list would be enough.

Creature has lack of content in every game on here I've played with him.

Were they scum in all of them?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:35 pm

osieorb18 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:34 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:27 pm

osieorb18 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:26 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:15 pm change my mind lomo is town

Why?

I read his iso. He has good and thoughtful posts.

Really? I got very little from their ISO outside of a bit of a scumlean between the low content and the fact that everything looks like an attempt to make a hot take without necessarily engaging.

I saw no opinions that were jarringly bad nor did I see any awkwardness.

I think I would hard null them if it didn't just sorta feel like a bit of macro-micro contradiction. Their posts feel like someone who is more engaged than their activity would suggest, I guess? Hence I have a scumlean there.

Onto ISOing EnderWiggin.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:27 pm

osieorb18 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:26 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:15 pm change my mind lomo is town

Why?

I read his iso. He has good and thoughtful posts.

Really? I got very little from their ISO outside of a bit of a scumlean between the low content and the fact that everything looks like an attempt to make a hot take without necessarily engaging.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:15 pm change my mind lomo is town

Why?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:11 pm

honey wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:07 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:03 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 5:43 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 5:39 pm you're just flooding the thread with far too much fluff and bs

Who is this?

Honey. I find the gamestate hard to deal with because of it.

are you going to keep whining about it or are you going to steer the game in the direction you want cos i only see u doing one of these things
u act like im singularly holding this game hostage and i assure u im not lol

are u a newbie player too mac?

Mac is definitely a newbie player, and I'm sure he would be super appreciative if you took him under your wing and gave him guidance on how to best approach the game

NANOOK!

Are you going to post your way into my heart this game?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:17 pm

osieorb18 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:16 pm @MacDougall Oh yeah, also not sure about why the strong town on Seanzie.

Seanzie is polarised and easy to read. Maybe the easiest player to read on the forum these days.

Gotcha.

honey wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:05 pm

osieorb18 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:03 pm

honey wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:01 pm you think that since i'm not a newbie player i could be playing like this as scum? is there a compliment in there somewhere..

i read people off motivations personally and so when my scum pool is mans hollow alison adding mac now it's because i do not think their intentions for scumreading me are not pure once again none have outted a concise scumread on me

mac wants me to stop posting but then doesnt post or push on me himself when i threaten to bleed on him
alison only scum read me off a few posts and then even when she opens her scope she sees reasons to tr me but then manages to contrive some tone from somewhere
hollow calls me scum but wont actually push on me or fight me 1 on 1
mansnicks calls me a liar when i made a joke reaction test and then 20 hours later says im his top town tonally

like fr?? and that's on town entitlement~

Interesting.

Very much the opposite of my reads.

well i asked why ppl tr alison and nobody replied and i have a suspicion ppl are just tring her because they like her posts as she gives some reads rather than what shes actually doing which is not much i dont think all of these are scum but 100% at least one scum in here because of the lack of logic
hollow wont fight me and ppl said hes in his town meta so im not focusing on reading his slot
mansnicks is afk and i prefer to interact in real time

I suppose being from EpicMafia, RTI is more your normal.

I'm still intending to take another look at Alison, but I felt like she was very engaged in a way that seemed less likely if she was scum.

I like the way that you're engaging with me too, btw.

@MacDougall Oh yeah, also not sure about why the strong town on Seanzie.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:12 pm 1. @lost monkey ISO - lean wolf
3. @falcon45ca ISO - lean town
4. @hollowkatt ISO - lean town
5. @Lime Coke ISO - lean town
6. @Flea the Magician ISO - lean town
7. @ NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME ISO - lean town
8. @Alison ISO - strong town
9. @Michelle ISO - strong town
10. @EnderWiggin ISO - lean wolf
11. @TripleHaven ISO - lean town
12. @Dolby ISO - lean wolf
13. @Scotty ISO - lean wolf
14. @Garden Gnome ISO - lean wolf
15. @honey ISO - lean town
16. @Creature ISO - lean town
17. @Seanzie ISO - strong town
18. @listo95 ISO - lean town
19. @mansnicks ISO - lean town
20. @TonyStarkPrime ISO - lean town
21. @osieorb18 ISO - strong town

Why the townlean on Falcon? I don't think I disagree with most of your other reads (at least out of the ones I quoted); I'm still getting there on a few of them, but they're within margin of error (read to null or lean to lean) on pretty much all of them other than falcon.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 1:09 pm

osieorb18 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:34 am

@Lime Coke - Roughly how much experience do you have playing as each alignment?

In forum mafia format, way more experience as town than I do as mafia.

My first like 15 games were all town in FM format.

I did hit a slight streak of flipping mafia in the past like...2 months? Including the one Honey has referenced a few times where I was mafia and she was town.
I've only won 1 time as mafia though, the rest were L's.

I've finally hit a town streak now though.

Hmm. Oh yeah, I actually have a bit of an idea on you looking back through your ISO. This is still not as useful of an answer, but at least 15 games and at least such-and-such number of months tells me something.

I like your energy but I do get why people are scumreading you despite that.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:04 pm

honey wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:01 pm you think that since i'm not a newbie player i could be playing like this as scum? is there a compliment in there somewhere..

i read people off motivations personally and so when my scum pool is mans hollow alison adding mac now it's because i do not think their intentions for scumreading me are not pure once again none have outted a concise scumread on me

mac wants me to stop posting but then doesnt post or push on me himself when i threaten to bleed on him
alison only scum read me off a few posts and then even when she opens her scope she sees reasons to tr me but then manages to contrive some tone from somewhere
hollow calls me scum but wont actually push on me or fight me 1 on 1
mansnicks calls me a liar when i made a joke reaction test and then 20 hours later says im his top town tonally

like fr?? and that's on town entitlement~

I don't want you to stop posting. I want you to slow down posting NAI spam because it makes it hard for me to read the game and work out who the wolves are.

I see I have been SarNath'd.

honey wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:01 pm mac wants me to stop posting but then doesnt post or push on me himself when i threaten to bleed on him

This might be a little bit of an overreaction? It seemed like he mostly just felt like your posts were fluffy, which is not necessarily a bad thing to point out. (Just saying, since I have townreads on every player you put in your scumreads and since I townlean you, I'm wondering if we can get on the same page somehow.) But I'll keep an eye there for later.

honey wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:01 pm you think that since i'm not a newbie player i could be playing like this as scum? is there a compliment in there somewhere..

i read people off motivations personally and so when my scum pool is mans hollow alison adding mac now it's because i do not think their intentions for scumreading me are not pure once again none have outted a concise scumread on me

mac wants me to stop posting but then doesnt post or push on me himself when i threaten to bleed on him
alison only scum read me off a few posts and then even when she opens her scope she sees reasons to tr me but then manages to contrive some tone from somewhere
hollow calls me scum but wont actually push on me or fight me 1 on 1
mansnicks calls me a liar when i made a joke reaction test and then 20 hours later says im his top town tonally

like fr?? and that's on town entitlement~

Interesting.

Very much the opposite of my reads.

@hollowkatt @Alison Are you still townreading falcon, and if so, why?

@Alison Also this question:

osieorb18 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:34 am Isn't it a little hasty to only give the thread an hour before declaring that nobody has picked up on your read?

honey wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 5:49 pm

osieorb18 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 5:48 pm

honey wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 5:46 pm

osieorb18 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 5:44 pm

honey wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 5:43 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 5:39 pm you're just flooding the thread with far too much fluff and bs

mac said this is the syndicate and there is no fun or casuality allowed on the syndicate!!!

mac if ur maf just say that lol u dont have to be a grump about it

Uggh... my mind's telling me one thing and my heart's telling me another.

@honey Do you know roughly how many games you've played? Over how long a timespan?

i thought you didnt wanna talk about meta? this is meta..

~1 a month

wanna share osie so im not the only one 'flooding' the thread?

*sigh*

I'm trying to get an idea of how much experience you have and you've sorta dodged the question twice.

I have a townlean on you that is made much stronger the less experience you have.

this is rude once again just because someone isnt super srs paranoid overload doesnt mean theyre mafia
excessive paranoia benefits the scum team which is what happened in my last town game so i said fuuuuck that for this game

I apologize. My intent was not to be rude.

I have a very strong townread on you if you are a relatively new player.
If you are a relatively experienced player, I have a scumlean on you.
If you are somewhere in between, probably a townlean.

Overall, I want to say townlean, but I'm trying to figure out roughly how many games you've played and how many years you've played for so I have context for your playstyle. I don't care at all about the actual meta, the content of the games. I have no interest in looking at your old games. I won't get anything out of them; I never read old games to compare. I'm just looking at a number.

I use some odd specific things to form reads sometimes. I'm sorry if that's not what you're used to seeing.

honey wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 5:46 pm

osieorb18 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 5:44 pm

honey wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 5:43 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 5:39 pm you're just flooding the thread with far too much fluff and bs

mac said this is the syndicate and there is no fun or casuality allowed on the syndicate!!!

mac if ur maf just say that lol u dont have to be a grump about it

Uggh... my mind's telling me one thing and my heart's telling me another.

@honey Do you know roughly how many games you've played? Over how long a timespan?

i thought you didnt wanna talk about meta? this is meta..

~1 a month

wanna share osie so im not the only one 'flooding' the thread?

*sigh*

I'm trying to get an idea of how much experience you have and you've sorta dodged the question twice.

I have a townlean on you that is made much stronger the less experience you have.

honey wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 5:43 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 5:39 pm you're just flooding the thread with far too much fluff and bs

mac said this is the syndicate and there is no fun or casuality allowed on the syndicate!!!

mac if ur maf just say that lol u dont have to be a grump about it

Uggh... my mind's telling me one thing and my heart's telling me another.

@honey Do you know roughly how many games you've played? Over how long a timespan?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 5:39 pm

osieorb18 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 5:39 pm [VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

Between this and Falcon for me right now and I like MacDougall a hell of a lot more than either Seanzie or Ender at this time.

you can be my new pet

[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

Between this and Falcon for me right now and I like MacDougall a hell of a lot more than either Seanzie or Ender at this time.

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 5:29 pm Can we not focus so much on meta from other games and play instead this game?

I want to put this up on my wall, Michelle.

honey wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 4:02 pm

osieorb18 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:34 am I proceeded to townread some more of Lime Coke's posts and the way the wagon formed felt too fast. I've liked Alison a lot here and it seems like everyone else does as well.

Townreads:

Alison
Lime Coke
mansnicks
TH

Townleans:

Dolby
HK
honey

Spoiler: show

Scumleans:

Flea the Magician
Michelle
Seanzie

Scumreads:

Falcon

I had the following questions at this point:

@Flea the Magician - Why shouldn't people vote you for NK immunity?

@honey - Roughly how much experience do you have playing as each alignment?

Spoiler: show

@Alison - Why do you feel that falcon is town?

@TripleHaven - Where is your townread on honey coming from in #88?

@Lime Coke - Roughly how much experience do you have playing as each alignment?

@Michelle - Do you feel engaged in this game?

@Alison - Isn't it a little hasty to only give the thread an hour before declaring that nobody has picked up on your read?

@Seanzie - Why are Falcon and Lime Coke paired in your book?

[/spoiler]
i would say probably 25% of my games were mafia 75% were town over a year and a half now :'3

why do you townlean me?

I got new town player vibes from you, but that might have been wrong. I left you at a lean since I still had some concerns, particularly if you're remotely experienced.

Garden Gnome wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:54 am

osieorb18 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:51 am

Garden Gnome wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:44 am

osieorb18 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:09 pm At the moment, falcon is my strongest scumread but none of my townreads are voting there and some even townread them so I'm hesitant on that front.

Could you explain to me why falcon looks so scummy to you?

I had gone through their early posts and not liked them; they felt awkward and focused on anything other than forming reads. As I said earlier, they feel "like they're trying to force things and appear more active than they actually are."

They were playing defense a lot as well, not a good look.

The best posts from them have had this cheekiness to their tone that undercuts any sense that those posts might come from town.

After I asked you that question, I noticed that other people were scum reading them, too. So I ISOed them and found that they were having fun but they weren't doing very much of anything that I would call towny. In your opinion, are you seeing them as actual scum or as a town player who is playing it scummy?

I just have super few townpings there, reading through their ISO. Like, I can force maybe 2 townpings. And they do seem to have some degree of thread voice even if they aren't necessarily the MOST active player in the thread.

Garden Gnome wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:44 am

osieorb18 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:09 pm At the moment, falcon is my strongest scumread but none of my townreads are voting there and some even townread them so I'm hesitant on that front.

Could you explain to me why falcon looks so scummy to you?

I had gone through their early posts and not liked them; they felt awkward and focused on anything other than forming reads. As I said earlier, they feel "like they're trying to force things and appear more active than they actually are."

They were playing defense a lot as well, not a good look.

The best posts from them have had this cheekiness to their tone that undercuts any sense that those posts might come from town.

osieorb18 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:40 am Out of the three people who quoted me asking for townreads, Scotty felt a little questionable, like they were trying to use the question as a springboard for a miselim. I'mma start on ISOing them first, followed by anyone else on whom I don't yet have a read.

EBWOP: Asking for townreads, not scumreads.

Out of the three people who quoted me asking for scumreads, Scotty felt a little questionable, like they were trying to use the question as a springboard for a miselim. I'mma start on ISOing them first, followed by anyone else on whom I don't yet have a read.

I proceeded to townread some more of Lime Coke's posts and the way the wagon formed felt too fast. I've liked Alison a lot here and it seems like everyone else does as well.

Townreads:

Alison
Lime Coke
mansnicks
TH

Townleans:

Dolby
HK
honey

Scumleans:

Flea the Magician
Michelle
Seanzie

Scumreads:

Falcon

I had the following questions at this point:

@Flea the Magician - Why shouldn't people vote you for NK immunity?

@honey - Roughly how much experience do you have playing as each alignment?

@Alison - Why do you feel that falcon is town?

@TripleHaven - Where is your townread on honey coming from in #88?

@Lime Coke - Roughly how much experience do you have playing as each alignment?

@Michelle - Do you feel engaged in this game?

@Alison - Isn't it a little hasty to only give the thread an hour before declaring that nobody has picked up on your read?

@Seanzie - Why are Falcon and Lime Coke paired in your book?

Page 3:
Townreads:

mansnicks
TH

Townleans:

Alison
Dolby
HK
honey
Lime Coke

Scumleans:

Flea the Magician
Michelle
Seanzie

Scumreads:

Falcon

Page 2:
Townreads:

mansnicks

Townleans:

Dolby
HK
honey
TH

Scumleans:

Michelle
Seanzie

Scumreads:

Falcon

(That was Page 1)

Some of this may be slightly out of order because I tend to jump back and forth by a couple posts while reading.
Townleans:

Dolby

Scumleans:

Falcon

Okay... I'm semi-familiar with Alison, Dolby, HK, mansnicks, and Michelle.

Everybody else is a stranger. Nice to meet you!

At the moment, falcon is my strongest scumread but none of my townreads are voting there and some even townread them so I'm hesitant on that front.

Busy day for me. I'm about halfway caught up. I'll post my catch-up notes later tonight.