The Syndicate

I should read Esooa's iso tbh.

@Gira

When you're back what is your thought on the TSP slot as a whole?

Like the Esooa/Alexa stuff Day 2 could've been a light distance in that "We're just going to get in a slight battle but back off immediately" type of thing.

I was going to say he's spouting the team as a joke and it's probably the team in actuality.

Gira wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:28 pm that was because insaner started pre-emptively bussing me and i got pissed at it

I did remember correctly then.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ack-Clover

This was the most recent Gira wolf game.

He did start off with an intense theater with his partner...I don't think this was on purpose or planned from what I remember? But either way he could argue pretty well with his teammates in game.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:20 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:19 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:18 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:16 pm SPF wolfreads Gira right

im actually starting to think that it's you and TSP which probably just means that we lose the game

Why's that?

we're both trying to force an SPF/gira cross despite the fact that we have no professed game solutions

This is both being as real as possible and kind of hilarious.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:18 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:16 pm SPF wolfreads Gira right

im actually starting to think that it's you and TSP which probably just means that we lose the game

Why's that?

Trying to.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:14 pm therefore wolf team is SPF/LC

Read my Day 1 there's no way I try to wolf case SPF immediately if she's my teammate.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:10 pm So I'm interested in the fact that LC has expressed possibly no reads

You're right, most I did today was pressure Alexa, I don't have an etiquette at all for LYLO since this is maybe the 2nd time I was in LYLO as town? The first time (EM Themed Game) 1 of the mafia members was outed and the second just open wolfed.

I'm trying to observe and figure things out. I feel like this game is actually kinda big for me right now and I don't want to be wrong.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:01 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:00 pm FYI this is the most scrutiny I've held either SPF or Alexa in a game so clique stuff isn't entirely true.

tbh that's embarrassing and I wouldn't admit it

You know my gimmick and I'd rather have that than the other stuff I get ragged on for.

Oh shit that makes it easier.

FYI this is the most scrutiny I've held either SPF or Alexa in a game so clique stuff isn't entirely true.

NGL the night kills were fucking weird this game and I'm wondering what the hell they entitled beyond PR hunting.

Turning into Alexa with that one but it's funny.

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 4:43 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 4:42 pm if esooa was super-defensive of spf on day 1 then should I take that as a sign that SPF is more likely town or a wolf

town, from your point of view anyway. esooa generally reads SPF decently

Not really?

And like I said, from what I saw, Wilgy was actively trying.

Luckbox was barely existent that game. Wolf chat was me pinging him trying to get him to get on and do something but he seemed to be super busy in real life. It was frustrating but I had to move on.

Alexa and Illario were on FS near the end of that EOD. I easily could've played that card and voted there.

Gira wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 3:52 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 2:24 pm

Gira wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 1:45 pm @Lime Coke

can you explain to me why you actually voted wilgy on day 1?

Didn't have reasons to townread him. His start of day sucked with him just sticking a vote on me saying I was "outed" and I should be killed immediately. The other wagon for a majority of the day was Alexa who I was townreading at the time and he was on the wagon.

During EOD the other wagons were Alexa, Nanook, you, and FingerSplints. I didn't want to vote out Nanook because he had a towny moment right before EOD with his kinda "fire" towards getting Wilgy wagoned. You were a possibility because you were kind of just there but your defense against Alison gave you some sort of edge over other options. FingerSplints was the only other "good" option because she wasn't too active and had a weird lazy solve that included Alexa who was top wagon and Illario. Alexa I was flat out strong townreading and never voting then.
But Wilgy just looked bad for most of the game. Plus he wasn't actually "self-pressing" onto FS so figured those 2 might've been partnered? So put the vote on him and hoped for the best.

I asked you that because this is every mention you made of him on day 1:

Spoiler: show

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 12:13 am [VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

Gonna just bury you for that shit.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 11:52 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 11:51 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 11:48 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 11:47 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 11:41 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 11:35 pm

why him?

zomg everyone's so towny

also his posts suck yet he has a lot of people townreading him for minor bad reasons which is >>>>rand wolf, and he hasn't answered my questioned about his dizzy read despite me pinging him multiple times

i dont think that drwilgys posts are objectively towny but they are kinda towny through the lens of meta IMO - wilgy has made several posts that show a significantly higher level of confidence/assertiveness than anything he posted in the most recent wolfgame i saw from him

i dont think the reasons to townread him are "bad" even if he could still technically be a wolf

can you link me the recent wolf game, i asked this earlier and no one did and navigating this site kills me inside

it's this game: viewtopic.php?t=2237

but now im not even 100% sure that wilgy was a wolf in that game because i have goldfish memory

He was town there.

https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic.php?t=2248

There's most recent mafia game.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 11:57 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 11:55 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 11:54 pm lmao well SPF/wilgy not W/W anyway

why not? i could reasonably confuse my meta on him regardless of whether or not im partnered with him

But what if you weren't trying to confuse your meta on him but confused your meta on him anyway?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 4:30 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 4:28 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 4:24 pm Town:
Alexa
Illario
Esooa
Alison
Dizzy

Most confident to least.

How are you so confident on Alexa?

Mine is
Town:
LC
SPF
Ilario
Alison
Esooa

Because I know how to read her.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 4:38 pm [VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 7:39 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 7:37 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 7:36 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 7:35 pm > oh good I have counterwagons
> they're two of my townreads
> oh no

Who would you prefer?

Did you see what Mac said?

Wilgy, obviously

If it's what I just quoted then yes

I used to be faster a few years ago. Aging has been slowing me down significantly.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 7:44 pm [VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:21 pm That was fake my vote is still on Wilgy.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:31 pm @Gira

Do you have any thoughts on Wilgy currently?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:31 pm "Wilgy" got auto corrected to "Wolfy" on my phone and I'm taking that as a sign.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 10:38 pm Alright well thrilling EOD, but I'm fine with Wilgy going over because I think this can actually help me solve certain players in regards to how his flips.

Townreads:
Alexa
Dizzy
SPF
Illario
Alison
Nanook
Esooa

My main thought is that if Wilgy flips town then Esooa goes higher on the list, if he's mafia she's kind of stuck on that bottom spot and leaning back.

Top 4 is my most confident townreads.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 10:56 pm I'm staying on Wilgy. Other options aren't bad but this just feels better.

a couple naked votes, responding to other people about him, and a couple one liners near the end of the day about how you were "fine" with him going over when he became a leading wagon basically looks entirely like how i'd expect the stereotypical bus to go here

Well that's kind of basically what you're going to get from me if I don't have a confident scumread, which is pretty rare already. That SPF scumread was the first legit one I've had in a while.

Keep in mind most of my game is based on an attempt to build a townread group, and yeet the remaining players. I had my core and I was planning going outside of it.

Wilgy was the best option for me for reasons I stated earlier. I didn't townread him and you would be right that I was the quietest in terms of scumreading him. This is probably because any time I out a scumread or vote him I'm met with "But Wilgy gets misyeeted Day 1 constantly! He's an easy push for scum!"

I really don't have much of an explanation otherwise in terms of my read on him.

If you want self meta, I just got off a scumgame last week where my partner was kind of non-existent and I had to bus and lone wolf it. I would've seen Wilgy actually trying and I would save him, and after seeing the flips I would've had more options to vote out like FS and Falcon.

I don't think that's unreasonable to think? Like I said I was going to post it as a joke that you 2 were partnered but no way you have that last for nearly 2 weeks and have it more and more intense as the game goes on.

You are right I figured Esooa would have more to say about me scumcasing SPF. She was more deadpan than I expected.

Also the irony in her talking about people trying to scumhunt properly after doing that...

Yeah if I was right I actually have 100% accuracy on her.

Something I thought I'd never say.

Could be TSP and SPF then?

Alright that's fine.

Fuck it I'm just going to call you town.

Honestly it could be TSP.

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 2:44 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 2:40 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 2:35 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 2:33 pm Also I'm still questioning my read on you but I looked at your iso as well and I'm just flip flopping at this rate.

do you have any questions for me?

Not really? Most of the paranoia is just the fact that we're both still alive as I'm hard shielding you and it's LYLO with 3 other players I have reasons to townread both good and mostly bad.
I actually thought your defense last night was kind of tame for what I thought you would do if you were town. That was my main concern.

my defense is game dependent. like, if people are trying to push on me and i feel i should be blatantly obvious town and had buried wolves etcetc then i get angry. this game has been kind of a lot of coasting due to multitabling/people not doing anything/holidays/emotional reasons so the best i can really say is look at my ISO because you know how to read me too imo

Like I get that, and I get it if it was say Dizzy or someone that doesn't talk to you that often. I just figured because it was me, the person who is going to get meme'd on the hardest if I end up incredibly wrong in townreading you but would be annoyed at myself for misvoting you in LYLO at the same time, questioning you that I'd get something a bit more beyond "look at my iso."

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 2:44 pm what are the best reasons you have for TSP town besides uh.. Crich getting emotional?

That's literally my only reasoning being Esooa and CRichard "raging" out of the game.

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 2:33 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 2:31 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 2:12 pmdid i?

Last Will you literally came up with a perfect 3/3 solve during the night phase and wrote it as your will, and you kept questioning me, or at least your read on me, even if you were townreading me most of the game. This was my first mafia game though and I was still a noob so you had no idea how I'd play as mafia.

Buckets you had me as a townread Day 1 but you still had Illario over me majority of the time and you kept wavering on your read on me throughout the game.

Whenever I'm actually town you flat out end up with me as your top townread and you never change it. Like you flat out know how to read me better than anyone else.

ok that's fine but i know you'd say the same thing about ender and you did trick him well last game which is part of my paranoia

Yes but his is more meta based and you hard re-evaluate every day phase and your reads 180 like crazy so I can't actually plan a day phase or a line of ML around you.

I'm re-figuring out why I hate wolfing against you.

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 2:35 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 2:33 pm Also I'm still questioning my read on you but I looked at your iso as well and I'm just flip flopping at this rate.

do you have any questions for me?

Not really? Most of the paranoia is just the fact that we're both still alive as I'm hard shielding you and it's LYLO with 3 other players I have reasons to townread both good and mostly bad.
I actually thought your defense last night was kind of tame for what I thought you would do if you were town. That was my main concern.

Also I'm still questioning my read on you but I looked at your iso as well and I'm just flip flopping at this rate.

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 2:12 pmdid i?

Last Will you literally came up with a perfect 3/3 solve during the night phase and wrote it as your will, and you kept questioning me, or at least your read on me, even if you were townreading me most of the game. This was my first mafia game though and I was still a noob so you had no idea how I'd play as mafia.

Buckets you had me as a townread Day 1 but you still had Illario over me majority of the time and you kept wavering on your read on me throughout the game.

Whenever I'm actually town you flat out end up with me as your top townread and you never change it. Like you flat out know how to read me better than anyone else.

Gira wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 1:45 pm @Lime Coke

can you explain to me why you actually voted wilgy on day 1?

Didn't have reasons to townread him. His start of day sucked with him just sticking a vote on me saying I was "outed" and I should be killed immediately. The other wagon for a majority of the day was Alexa who I was townreading at the time and he was on the wagon.

During EOD the other wagons were Alexa, Nanook, you, and FingerSplints. I didn't want to vote out Nanook because he had a towny moment right before EOD with his kinda "fire" towards getting Wilgy wagoned. You were a possibility because you were kind of just there but your defense against Alison gave you some sort of edge over other options. FingerSplints was the only other "good" option because she wasn't too active and had a weird lazy solve that included Alexa who was top wagon and Illario. Alexa I was flat out strong townreading and never voting then.
But Wilgy just looked bad for most of the game. Plus he wasn't actually "self-pressing" onto FS so figured those 2 might've been partnered? So put the vote on him and hoped for the best.

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 2:01 pm and now i'm getting some LC paranoia which i hate

@Lime Coke why would you kill me n1/n2 when i'm a top person townreading you? what if your partner didn't want to? like, the longest i've lived in games have been when you were mafia

Like I said both games I told my teammates I wanted you dead N1 because you can read me the best and you're never going to be a viable ML, but I'm told no because you townread me in those games.
But, again like I said earlier, your townread always wavers on me when I'm mafia and you end up killing me later in the game.
If I actually want to win, you don't stay alive.

Gira wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 2:45 am

Gira wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 1:59 am brad you gonna say anything

ftr if you see this later i was asking because you always show up as online so i was figuring you were lurking while i was yelling at spf which i guess is incorrect. nothing more than that

If I'm at home then I typically have the game open on a tab on my laptop and I'm doing other things, specifically if the game is inactive.

But at that moment I was just observing the argument, wasn't really going to interject because that felt like something you two could resolve on your own regarding the content of the argument. I had half a thought to post "Is this wolf theater? " but I wasn't going to make the situation worse.

Then my friends on a discord server invited me to play Jackbox and I joined in.

Otherwise I was just rattling my brain in terms of who it could be and if it makes sense.

Are we clearing TSP for bad reasons?

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 1:34 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 1:33 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 1:32 am i dont think that either of us believe that, to be honest. how is it "performative" for me to say that i'm re-evaluating all of my reads from scratch? was it "performative" when lime coke did it 2 pages ago, too?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 11:43 pm
A little bit rattled off of that, and I need to re-evaluate hard. Will be taking the entire day to figure something out regardless of what happens with everyone else.

Yes

no u see, it's not performative for you to say you're going to re-evaluate your reads because ur town, but it is performative for me to say i'm going to re-evaluate my reads because i am maia

no u see, it's not performative for you to say you're going to re-evaluate your reads because ur town, but it is performative for me to say i'm going to re-evaluate my reads because i am maia

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 1:32 am i dont think that either of us believe that, to be honest. how is it "performative" for me to say that i'm re-evaluating all of my reads from scratch? was it "performative" when lime coke did it 2 pages ago, too?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 11:43 pm
A little bit rattled off of that, and I need to re-evaluate hard. Will be taking the entire day to figure something out regardless of what happens with everyone else.

Yes

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 1:29 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 1:19 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 1:15 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 12:43 am TSP/alexa, alexa/TSP, TSP/gira, gira/alexa

^^^if i'm right about lime coke being town, then these are the possible teams. do any of these teams immediately stand out as being unlikely or impossible to be partnered with each other?

also, i want everyone to answer this please

I think TSP/Alexa never fucking happens in this game. I will consider it a wolf claim if you guess that's the team.

However I DO think Alexa/TSP has every right to be the team and it's been quite obvious.

i'm not gonna lie, i dont really understand what you mean lol

You put the same team twice on there but different order.

In all seriousness I think you're right on ruling out Alexa/Gira.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 1:15 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 12:43 am TSP/alexa, alexa/TSP, TSP/gira, gira/alexa

^^^if i'm right about lime coke being town, then these are the possible teams. do any of these teams immediately stand out as being unlikely or impossible to be partnered with each other?

also, i want everyone to answer this please

I think TSP/Alexa never fucking happens in this game. I will consider it a wolf claim if you guess that's the team.

However I DO think Alexa/TSP has every right to be the team and it's been quite obvious.

Also why does Alexa just cuck her teammate by immediately switching off the town counterwagon to kill him the instant he votes a town with her?

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 12:46 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 12:36 am Actually... yeah Alexa town I just thought of something.

what did you think of?

I was thinking "Why the hell was Wilgy going after her the entire time and completely disregarding any other pushes like FingerSplints or Nanook?"

The only other person he voted was Mac and myself, otherwise he was mostly on Alexa.

Like I get how Alexa feels about her bussing others, which is she tries to do it the least amount as possible, but I don't think she'd want her teammates actually going hell bound against her?

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 12:38 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 12:02 am alexa this is sorta the stupid way to ask this question but can LC be snowing you or is that just like beyond possibility (be honest)
same question, eventually, to spf

lime coke is townier in this game than ive seen him in even most of his town games, which would mean that a world where he's a wolf is a world where he became an EXTREMELY good and scary wolf within an extremely short period of time. it's possible and it is something i'm considering while i'm re-evaluating my reads, but i don't find it particularly likely

fwiw i dont think lime coke has actually wolfed against me before, but i remember his wolf meta from epicmafia chat games pretty well

Actually, fun fact is that completely disregarding this game (Since it's unfinished and we don't know everything yet) we've only been T/T in every forum mafia game together.

I actually am interested in how I would do if I rolled mafia against you in a forum mafia game, and it would be a game I'd try hard as a wolf.

Chat mafia I'd say your accuracy on me was the closest to 100%. The only time I fooled you as mafia was mainly because everything aligned correctly.

God I have reasons to townread everyone and they're all for bad reasons.

Actually... yeah Alexa town I just thought of something.

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 12:12 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 12:07 am

alexa wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 11:58 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 11:44 pm @alexa

Tell me why I shouldn't be afraid of you snowing me this game.

main thing is my approach to WILGY d1. if i was wolf i would have literally no reason to go out of my way to push him the way i did when a lot of people townread him

Should I consider anything else?

I'm asking this because I need to make sure I'm not just being left alive with you because I'm hard shielding you while you are mafia. I need to make sure I'm not fucking up and making a fool out of myself again. I need a reason to stay confident on you being town.

brad, if you think there's any possibility i may be mafia then look at my ISO please

like, idk what else to say here, i feel like it should be clear but i get why it's nerve-wracking in this scenario. illario thought i was hard town and died d1

Alright...fine.

You're not going to be in my target range at all I just needed to see something.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 12:02 am alexa this is sorta the stupid way to ask this question but can LC be snowing you or is that just like beyond possibility (be honest)
same question, eventually, to spf

Not to self meta or anything but Alexa gets night killed on N2 at the LATEST if I'm mafia.

I've already played 2 games against Alexa where I'm mafia and she's town, which you were in 1 of them. Both games I spoke to my wolf mate(s) that Alexa should eat the N1. Both games my wolf mates responded with "You have her pocketed, we're keeping her alive." Doesn't matter how much I work to keep Alexa pocketed, including literally spending an entire day phase pandering to her, she figures me out and votes me out. Even if she outs a townread on me, it's always loose at best and she ends up questioning it often.

That's something I learned my lesson on.

alexa wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 11:58 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 11:44 pm @alexa

Tell me why I shouldn't be afraid of you snowing me this game.

main thing is my approach to WILGY d1. if i was wolf i would have literally no reason to go out of my way to push him the way i did when a lot of people townread him

Should I consider anything else?

I'm asking this because I need to make sure I'm not just being left alive with you because I'm hard shielding you while you are mafia. I need to make sure I'm not fucking up and making a fool out of myself again. I need a reason to stay confident on you being town.

@alexa

Tell me why I shouldn't be afraid of you snowing me this game.