The Syndicate

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 7:59 pm or lime coke @Creature

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 7:54 pm Could we stack the wagons so that if wilgy unvotes creature, he still gets chopped? I'm not sure what would that mean mathematically

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 7:52 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 7:49 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 7:49 pm Motobot seriously did nothing but grabbed a double vote, and just planted on me after doing absolutely nothing.

Jesus christ.

Why sign up for the game if you're not going to play it?

He's very very young. He's the son of the host

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 7:49 pm Motobot seriously did nothing but grabbed a double vote, and just planted on me after doing absolutely nothing.

Jesus christ.

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 7:05 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 6:30 pm If you're all planning to mislynch me anyway make sure to do that in an even day.

Just a reminder

motobot wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 3:05 pm Sorry I wasn't posting I was at a birthday party last night and today I was at an expo center

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 1:47 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 1:42 pm I agree with this in isolation, but I am worried about how/when the wagon formed.

I've been pushing for Rico pretty hard, and from what I can tell a lot of people have Rico south of null, but then a few people are townreading him for having a posting restriction, which is such an easy narrative for scum to spin. The wagons yesterday easily could have been a Rico save, and honestly I'm worried we're seeing a repeat of that today (I know, I know, I voted Wilgy last night so I am part of the problem, but still).

i dont think a lot of people have rico south of null. i think its you lc and creature. me and jay were townreading rico since day 1, im unsure about others

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 11:10 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 11:03 am Also Tutuu why are you voting me now?

Sorry if ur town im listening to my townreads. Im debating between voting u and creature

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 8:25 pm

Scotty
5
22%


Voters: Ricochet, DrWilgy, Vivax, die_meatbaby, falcon45ca

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 7:55 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 8:25 pm
Vivax
6
26%

Voters: JaggedJimmyJay, RondoDimBuckle, Zenon, tutuu, Lime Coke, MartinGG99

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 11:14 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 11:12 pm I won’t endorse voting for meatbaby on D1
@Vivax how many games have they played?
Or even @die_meatbaby can answer themselves.

Either way, would love a check in and more posting from them.

TBH I don't like the JJJ or Tutuu wagons either. So I'd rather go meat_baby.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 11:18 pm The other options are Vivax, Motobot, or Porscha.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 7:55 pm [VOTE: Vivax] aubergine

We'll try it.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 6:08 pm Alright so here's how we do this.

Town:
Tutuu
Jayjayy
WhopWhoop (Porscha)
Sean...Seanzie
Ze...non
Die_diee
Martin

Part of me wants to try to culminate and try to sponge townreads from part of my towncore, so hopefully I can get those from certain people?

Zenon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 2:08 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 2:03 am @Zenon

Who do you have in total as your town?

Belzy like that's it

I have leans on

You
Porscha
Tutuu
Rico
Martin

Everyone else is in my lean scum pile which is like just people I currently don't town read essentially.

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 1:52 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 1:50 am Like I feel it's unfair to me that you literally say "I see Brad do towny things but then realize he can do it as a wolf."

Like, do you do this with anyone else?

@Porscha

yes? that's the nature of the game? it isn't unfair at all for me to think you're wolfing, I dont understand your perspective at all. you're pre flipping scenarios just to try and get me to change my read on you and it isnt' effective

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 1:50 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 1:47 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 10:33 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 3:56 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 3:54 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 3:53 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 3:50 pm

So... did you say it first?

Nah Seanzie said it first but I was voting Rico after all of that.

LMAO OKAY SOOO my point stands!

Does it really matter though if this is right and Rico ends up flipping mafia? Especially when I was voting there most of Day 1, annnnd the rest of town decided to build Vivax vs Scotty wagons?

well that all depends on if I think rico would flip mafia and you wouldn't, doesnt it

like it's just a hypothetical world, I don't know what will happen

this just feels like a weird deflection to get me off your back. Like I wouldn't stop you from trying to solve by suggesting your entire line of thinking is pointless if rico flips town, and now that i'm thinking about it, it sort of just reeks of tmi that you are suggesting that to me with no suspicion of me too

[VOTE: LimeCoke] aubergine

Because I know that if I'm right on Ricochet, and help vote him out, you will still come up with more excuses to call me mafia and not take the simple read and call me town for simply making the right vote and getting out mafia.

so you're gonna use your tmi to suggest to me that i am incapable of reconsidering my reads before we have any flips.

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 10:33 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 3:56 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 3:54 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 3:53 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 3:50 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 3:48 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 3:42 pm

You wouldn't sheep sean on a rico read for your own benefit would you

You wouldnt download a car, would you

Nah I had this read myself but Seanzie kind of explained it a bit better than I can.

So... did you say it first?

Nah Seanzie said it first but I was voting Rico after all of that.

LMAO OKAY SOOO my point stands!

Does it really matter though if this is right and Rico ends up flipping mafia? Especially when I was voting there most of Day 1, annnnd the rest of town decided to build Vivax vs Scotty wagons?

well that all depends on if I think rico would flip mafia and you wouldn't, doesnt it

like it's just a hypothetical world, I don't know what will happen

this just feels like a weird deflection to get me off your back. Like I wouldn't stop you from trying to solve by suggesting your entire line of thinking is pointless if rico flips town, and now that i'm thinking about it, it sort of just reeks of tmi that you are suggesting that to me with no suspicion of me too

[VOTE: LimeCoke] aubergine

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 5:19 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 5:12 pm I'm mostly on board with tutuu's reads. I am less confident in Porscha, but I'll see how I feel on review.

Sean claimed godread. Thats enough

Hed never been wrong on a godread on porscha look at his confidence

Does wolf sean have the balls to do it on a wolf buddy? No he doesn't. Wolf sean is scared to post lmao

Porscha easy town

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 4:38 pm Lime Coke ISO

69 posts. Nice.

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 3:54 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 3:53 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 3:50 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 3:48 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 3:42 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 3:28 pm

Spoiler: show

Ricochet wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 4:11 am Catching up from my wagonz post (#412). 7 pages oh boy. Sprawling notes incoming.

Vivax rebutted that he has cooled off due to gamestate i.e. sandbagging / vague gamereads to skirt being AI read. I don't think I grasp his pov, but it also doesn't eliminate the contrast of having looked into player's texts and intentions early on. One of the two approaches rings superficial.

Creature surfaces:
-- begs for mercy right away
-- points to meta of similar activity; to note, there is open disinterest stated in that game, which has so far not been expressed here; I reserve judgement on whether this is to save face or genuine
-- rebuttal that they would ghost under pressure, not entirely (and game-breakingly) is alright
-- questions tutuu on focusing on zeroposters, but townreads them for lulz-just-trollin
-- focuses on Seanzie inactivity and potential Rondo - JJJ buddying

Probably ok with Creature atp.

---

Porscha more active:
-- statement on having also played AI-cluelesss for a while
-- startled by the idea of Seanzie being lynched
-- frustration at getting the polarized / not active enough treatment (from knowledgeable-on-meta players, especially)
-- ok so main rebuttal is that all the suss from tutuu is untrue and unfouonded
-- #674 is also a rebuttal worth considering (along with Se7en similar meta -- edit: though apparently some claims about that meta are not accurate?)

On the fence, but last posts read a lot better.

---

JJJ desires more Martin

---

tutuu chaosy with her instant townreads and vote switches.

and then roleclaims.
===reactions:
Scotty ok's it.
SVS lemme think about it's it.
JJJ disapproves of tutuu wagon regardless' it.
Rondo annyoed at early claim's it.
Porscha expresses reservations of WIFOM's it.
Zenon doesn't find it confirmable's it and disapprove of protection choice's it.

---

Sudden Porscha push (tutuu, scotty, JJJ on page), coupled with very inactive / complete inactives. Ergh. Porscha or one other individual name on this list would ring fine, but creating a wolf scenario of whatif's and zero-poster's feels like driving attention outside a lot of actual gamestate.

JJJ later states it has more to do with the expectation of an active, town Porscha.
Scotty later likes the pushback.

State of push now...? ?

--

Zenon votes Vivax.
Zenon votes Tutuu.
Townreads Porscha.
Asks for Tutuu's protection. Then to use it on Rondo.
Wolfreads tutuu's Seanzie vote.
Zenon votes Scotty.

Hm. Woke up with the vibe that it's still all tantrum and empty voting, BUT the read into tutuu is acknowledgeable. Best part of the ISO by far, atm.

--

SVS surfaces
-- more mechtalk and susstalk in relation to tutuu
-- back and forths with Scotty
-- step back on tutuu after roleclaim

Growing feeling that her interests and topics are inversely proportional to having made any actual read or focused elsewhere. There is potential in skirting with this. Or just preparing to tunnel on those two suss's.

--

Rondo surfaces and sort of sprawls all over. I don't find the time and resources to judge all of that. Pass.

Did not expect him to defend zeroposter-D1-lynching, tho.

Some proposal about the item pick order on D2 that I don't understand one bit.

At least seems to come up with a JJJ + Scotty + Vivax scenario. Some JJJ - Scotty interaction is perhaps worth analyzing, but his mashup of quotes also felt from all over the place.
Does make a point about both of his suspects brushing it off with hahahoohoo's.

I am feeling a decent to light to strong pass on Rondo material toDay.

--

Seanzie!

-- abandons all hope of catching up first 12 pages
Funny how JJJ suggests that he look into mostly inactives. Ergh.
-- townreads Porscha. Repeatedly. Calls it a tell thing. States it was accurate a lot of times in previous games.
A Porscha / Seanzie w/w world would already start to look kinda dumbmove, judging from Seanzie's moves.
-- rebuttal on same "polarized" argument from tutuu (unfounded, unrealistic, unproved meta-wise)
-- lol mushrooms
-- fine's falcon

uuhhhh k

--

Martin!

Bookmarking his longass post to look at later. Maybe.

--

votes on Metababy
-- tutuu why
-- Martin have to read the longass post to probably figure out why
-- LimeCoke why

another wagon with little... meat on it (CSI_hiyaaa_mp2

--

Speaking of LimeCoke: resurfaces,
-- apparently forgot to vote, surprised he isn't getting flak.
-- also considers Vivax, Motobot or Porscha voting

uhhhh k

--

Falcon surfaces
-- too long doesn't read Rondo's case
-- vibes with Sean on several levels

uuuuh k

--

Meatbaby surfaces and... wew. That is some tone. Da fuk.

@JaggedJimmyJay

My reasoning for voting Ricochet when it got later on Day 1, was because of this post.

Felt like it was scummy just because it was basically like what Seanzie said. Too much commentary on random things, not really applying reads on most of the slots in the game after the "analysis"?

You wouldn't sheep sean on a rico read for your own benefit would you

You wouldnt download a car, would you

Nah I had this read myself but Seanzie kind of explained it a bit better than I can.

So... did you say it first?

Nah Seanzie said it first but I was voting Rico after all of that.

LMAO OKAY SOOO my point stands!

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 3:50 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 3:48 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 3:42 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 3:28 pm

Spoiler: show

Ricochet wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 4:11 am Catching up from my wagonz post (#412). 7 pages oh boy. Sprawling notes incoming.

Vivax rebutted that he has cooled off due to gamestate i.e. sandbagging / vague gamereads to skirt being AI read. I don't think I grasp his pov, but it also doesn't eliminate the contrast of having looked into player's texts and intentions early on. One of the two approaches rings superficial.

Creature surfaces:
-- begs for mercy right away
-- points to meta of similar activity; to note, there is open disinterest stated in that game, which has so far not been expressed here; I reserve judgement on whether this is to save face or genuine
-- rebuttal that they would ghost under pressure, not entirely (and game-breakingly) is alright
-- questions tutuu on focusing on zeroposters, but townreads them for lulz-just-trollin
-- focuses on Seanzie inactivity and potential Rondo - JJJ buddying

Probably ok with Creature atp.

---

Porscha more active:
-- statement on having also played AI-cluelesss for a while
-- startled by the idea of Seanzie being lynched
-- frustration at getting the polarized / not active enough treatment (from knowledgeable-on-meta players, especially)
-- ok so main rebuttal is that all the suss from tutuu is untrue and unfouonded
-- #674 is also a rebuttal worth considering (along with Se7en similar meta -- edit: though apparently some claims about that meta are not accurate?)

On the fence, but last posts read a lot better.

---

JJJ desires more Martin

---

tutuu chaosy with her instant townreads and vote switches.

and then roleclaims.
===reactions:
Scotty ok's it.
SVS lemme think about it's it.
JJJ disapproves of tutuu wagon regardless' it.
Rondo annyoed at early claim's it.
Porscha expresses reservations of WIFOM's it.
Zenon doesn't find it confirmable's it and disapprove of protection choice's it.

---

Sudden Porscha push (tutuu, scotty, JJJ on page), coupled with very inactive / complete inactives. Ergh. Porscha or one other individual name on this list would ring fine, but creating a wolf scenario of whatif's and zero-poster's feels like driving attention outside a lot of actual gamestate.

JJJ later states it has more to do with the expectation of an active, town Porscha.
Scotty later likes the pushback.

State of push now...? ?

--

Zenon votes Vivax.
Zenon votes Tutuu.
Townreads Porscha.
Asks for Tutuu's protection. Then to use it on Rondo.
Wolfreads tutuu's Seanzie vote.
Zenon votes Scotty.

Hm. Woke up with the vibe that it's still all tantrum and empty voting, BUT the read into tutuu is acknowledgeable. Best part of the ISO by far, atm.

--

SVS surfaces
-- more mechtalk and susstalk in relation to tutuu
-- back and forths with Scotty
-- step back on tutuu after roleclaim

Growing feeling that her interests and topics are inversely proportional to having made any actual read or focused elsewhere. There is potential in skirting with this. Or just preparing to tunnel on those two suss's.

--

Rondo surfaces and sort of sprawls all over. I don't find the time and resources to judge all of that. Pass.

Did not expect him to defend zeroposter-D1-lynching, tho.

Some proposal about the item pick order on D2 that I don't understand one bit.

At least seems to come up with a JJJ + Scotty + Vivax scenario. Some JJJ - Scotty interaction is perhaps worth analyzing, but his mashup of quotes also felt from all over the place.
Does make a point about both of his suspects brushing it off with hahahoohoo's.

I am feeling a decent to light to strong pass on Rondo material toDay.

--

Seanzie!

-- abandons all hope of catching up first 12 pages
Funny how JJJ suggests that he look into mostly inactives. Ergh.
-- townreads Porscha. Repeatedly. Calls it a tell thing. States it was accurate a lot of times in previous games.
A Porscha / Seanzie w/w world would already start to look kinda dumbmove, judging from Seanzie's moves.
-- rebuttal on same "polarized" argument from tutuu (unfounded, unrealistic, unproved meta-wise)
-- lol mushrooms
-- fine's falcon

uuhhhh k

--

Martin!

Bookmarking his longass post to look at later. Maybe.

--

votes on Metababy
-- tutuu why
-- Martin have to read the longass post to probably figure out why
-- LimeCoke why

another wagon with little... meat on it (CSI_hiyaaa_mp2

--

Speaking of LimeCoke: resurfaces,
-- apparently forgot to vote, surprised he isn't getting flak.
-- also considers Vivax, Motobot or Porscha voting

uhhhh k

--

Falcon surfaces
-- too long doesn't read Rondo's case
-- vibes with Sean on several levels

uuuuh k

--

Meatbaby surfaces and... wew. That is some tone. Da fuk.

@JaggedJimmyJay

My reasoning for voting Ricochet when it got later on Day 1, was because of this post.

Felt like it was scummy just because it was basically like what Seanzie said. Too much commentary on random things, not really applying reads on most of the slots in the game after the "analysis"?

You wouldn't sheep sean on a rico read for your own benefit would you

You wouldnt download a car, would you

Nah I had this read myself but Seanzie kind of explained it a bit better than I can.

So... did you say it first?

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 3:43 pm No but actual town sean on town rico vibes and wolf brad running with it vibes lol

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 3:42 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 3:28 pm

Spoiler: show

Ricochet wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 4:11 am Catching up from my wagonz post (#412). 7 pages oh boy. Sprawling notes incoming.

Vivax rebutted that he has cooled off due to gamestate i.e. sandbagging / vague gamereads to skirt being AI read. I don't think I grasp his pov, but it also doesn't eliminate the contrast of having looked into player's texts and intentions early on. One of the two approaches rings superficial.

Creature surfaces:
-- begs for mercy right away
-- points to meta of similar activity; to note, there is open disinterest stated in that game, which has so far not been expressed here; I reserve judgement on whether this is to save face or genuine
-- rebuttal that they would ghost under pressure, not entirely (and game-breakingly) is alright
-- questions tutuu on focusing on zeroposters, but townreads them for lulz-just-trollin
-- focuses on Seanzie inactivity and potential Rondo - JJJ buddying

Probably ok with Creature atp.

---

Porscha more active:
-- statement on having also played AI-cluelesss for a while
-- startled by the idea of Seanzie being lynched
-- frustration at getting the polarized / not active enough treatment (from knowledgeable-on-meta players, especially)
-- ok so main rebuttal is that all the suss from tutuu is untrue and unfouonded
-- #674 is also a rebuttal worth considering (along with Se7en similar meta -- edit: though apparently some claims about that meta are not accurate?)

On the fence, but last posts read a lot better.

---

JJJ desires more Martin

---

tutuu chaosy with her instant townreads and vote switches.

and then roleclaims.
===reactions:
Scotty ok's it.
SVS lemme think about it's it.
JJJ disapproves of tutuu wagon regardless' it.
Rondo annyoed at early claim's it.
Porscha expresses reservations of WIFOM's it.
Zenon doesn't find it confirmable's it and disapprove of protection choice's it.

---

Sudden Porscha push (tutuu, scotty, JJJ on page), coupled with very inactive / complete inactives. Ergh. Porscha or one other individual name on this list would ring fine, but creating a wolf scenario of whatif's and zero-poster's feels like driving attention outside a lot of actual gamestate.

JJJ later states it has more to do with the expectation of an active, town Porscha.
Scotty later likes the pushback.

State of push now...? ?

--

Zenon votes Vivax.
Zenon votes Tutuu.
Townreads Porscha.
Asks for Tutuu's protection. Then to use it on Rondo.
Wolfreads tutuu's Seanzie vote.
Zenon votes Scotty.

Hm. Woke up with the vibe that it's still all tantrum and empty voting, BUT the read into tutuu is acknowledgeable. Best part of the ISO by far, atm.

--

SVS surfaces
-- more mechtalk and susstalk in relation to tutuu
-- back and forths with Scotty
-- step back on tutuu after roleclaim

Growing feeling that her interests and topics are inversely proportional to having made any actual read or focused elsewhere. There is potential in skirting with this. Or just preparing to tunnel on those two suss's.

--

Rondo surfaces and sort of sprawls all over. I don't find the time and resources to judge all of that. Pass.

Did not expect him to defend zeroposter-D1-lynching, tho.

Some proposal about the item pick order on D2 that I don't understand one bit.

At least seems to come up with a JJJ + Scotty + Vivax scenario. Some JJJ - Scotty interaction is perhaps worth analyzing, but his mashup of quotes also felt from all over the place.
Does make a point about both of his suspects brushing it off with hahahoohoo's.

I am feeling a decent to light to strong pass on Rondo material toDay.

--

Seanzie!

-- abandons all hope of catching up first 12 pages
Funny how JJJ suggests that he look into mostly inactives. Ergh.
-- townreads Porscha. Repeatedly. Calls it a tell thing. States it was accurate a lot of times in previous games.
A Porscha / Seanzie w/w world would already start to look kinda dumbmove, judging from Seanzie's moves.
-- rebuttal on same "polarized" argument from tutuu (unfounded, unrealistic, unproved meta-wise)
-- lol mushrooms
-- fine's falcon

uuhhhh k

--

Martin!

Bookmarking his longass post to look at later. Maybe.

--

votes on Metababy
-- tutuu why
-- Martin have to read the longass post to probably figure out why
-- LimeCoke why

another wagon with little... meat on it (CSI_hiyaaa_mp2

--

Speaking of LimeCoke: resurfaces,
-- apparently forgot to vote, surprised he isn't getting flak.
-- also considers Vivax, Motobot or Porscha voting

uhhhh k

--

Falcon surfaces
-- too long doesn't read Rondo's case
-- vibes with Sean on several levels

uuuuh k

--

Meatbaby surfaces and... wew. That is some tone. Da fuk.

@JaggedJimmyJay

My reasoning for voting Ricochet when it got later on Day 1, was because of this post.

Felt like it was scummy just because it was basically like what Seanzie said. Too much commentary on random things, not really applying reads on most of the slots in the game after the "analysis"?

You wouldn't sheep sean on a rico read for your own benefit would you

You wouldnt download a car, would you