The Syndicate

annnnnnd

I only have 3 posts until post cap and doesn't look like anything is going to be done so might as well use them up.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 6:06 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 6:00 pm Bruh, can we literally talk about how all of Mac's reads are based on him just reading how others read him?

It's literally just OMGUS from him. That's what he does as mafia.
thats pretty common from town mac too ime?

also lime i think youve been pretty townie but i have some reservations on your reads and i obviously dont agree with you on spf rn. i thought you were trying to cut down on hard shields anyway in case youre wrong

I said I'd cut down on hard shields unless I can come up with full explanation on my read, which I have done plenty of times with why SPF is town. It's the differences in how she approaches her reads and how she creates her worldview. You can iso her recent mafia game in MU, then iso her here in this game and you'll notice a total difference.

Literally the shit that people are saying are scummy for her are flat out wrong and don't know how to read her in general. It's the same shit she gets FOS'd for when she's town.

@Marmot

What are you doing voting SPF? Vote somewhere else we both know that she's town.

leetic wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 6:24 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 6:23 pm i might yeah, i'm p much equally fine with anne/naa chops

i think anne is straight up wolfy on play, i do see some argument for her being town on wagonomics but again her d1 wagon was pretty pure imo and w/w wagons are more common than ppl think so it means little to me when shes the least towny person in the game

i think naa has had some glimmers of townie perspective but i have close to no experience with him and something seems slimy/off about how hes engaged with people, maybe i expect him to be more abrasive as town and maybe thats not fair but he's hard poe and his views of the game are fairly incoherent to me
JJJ was on the damn thing

That's either my last or second-to-last post so see ya later

Once again, Leetic is a damn hero.

I'd be fine with an NAA yeet.

3 posts left.

Bruh, can we literally talk about how all of Mac's reads are based on him just reading how others read him?

It's literally just OMGUS from him. That's what he does as mafia.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:54 pm If spf is mafia, Lime might be as well.

I agree with Nutella that spf is poking at the wrong things there.

First of all I was attempting to CFD JJJ every time he had a vote on him because I thought Anne was town and the other wagons felt like shit to be on. That should be fucking clearing for me.

Dizzy explain to me with what Mac is doing is town coming from him? Are you just townreading him because of this role bullshit or what?

I have 4 posts left after this but I'm spending it here because SPF SHOULDN'T BE A WAGON

The wording on a lot of these descriptions are a bit difficult to understand so I can see why Anne is confused?

@anne

I'm still standing on you being town, and I'm relatively fine with the main wagons except for you being one of them obviously. Any chance can you give analysis on both Mac and Nutella?

Probably awkward since you have mech info on one of them.

Spoiler: show

I just realized I have only 6 posts after this one so I gotta make them count before EOD, I appreciate if there's legit answers to these questions.

@Esooa

Who are you townreading currently in this game?

@DrWilgy

I want to see your worldview for this game, at the least most confident towns and who you scumread the most.
Also what was your thought on sheeping Nutella on voting Anne during EOD1?

I'll probably be a ghost for most of this day phase, if I'm going to post it's going to be some long ass posts with everything that comes to mind. I'm going to be here at EOD unless something unfortunate happens.

I have a feeling that one of my townreads to start Day 2 is going to get tossed and it's not a good feeling unless I'm seeing legit reasons.

What the fuck is this day phase?

The thing is that I still think this goes more towards how Dizzy was during Baby Mafia, rather than how they were during Fleabag mafia, which means he'd end up being town.

I'm so hesitant on pulling the trigger on call him town because of the fact that I misread him in both of those games.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:17 am Not saying that I feel like I'm doing great, cause I'm not. I had a theory about SPF/Lime, cause SPF asked "Why did that post make Lime town" when I town read Lime for a specific post, and that gave me so much scum!Hally vibes, as it's pretty common for "players like that" to question town reads on a teammate just like that. And I also felt SPF was hedgy on Lime from the beginning. However, how Lime has been hard town reading SPF make me think this is not the case, so all this is useless. So yeah, I haven't had a eureka moment, so I'd rather just yell at Ilario.

[VOTE: Sloonie but is actually Esooa] aubergine

I'm in such a weird ass state of mind with this game.

@ilario

If Anne flips green would you still be thinking Nutella is town? Especially with that EOD?

Fucking...I might've just realized something.

Not entirely sure if I can actually be bothered because I'm a bit gridlocked on my reads, especially with what's going on throughout Day 2.

I feel like I need to rethink shit this game and be better Day 3.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:27 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 11:42 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 11:38 pm Yeah, I noticed that too. Though it speaks more to Jimmay being scum than Anne's alignment. I mean, Jimmay could be bussing or placing a vote on a town wagon. However, if I stretch a bit perhaps, he did ask questions that was framed more as "why is Anne town?" so that might be partnery. And then coming back to vote Anne anyway, maybe after contemplating bussing. But that's speculative. But I could see it.
Yeah but why doesn't he take me and Rabbit townreading Anne as an excuse to not vote her if they're partnered? Along the lines of "These 2 think Anne is town so I'll sheep them since they're active voices and they might be town" type of thing. Like I don't see why he would say he'll "Ponder about our townread of Anne" then proceed to literally vote her like 10 minutes later. That's not really "pondering" that's just "Toss a vote on a majority wagon."
It was clear he didn't really take into account what you two were saying anyhow. But if it was a bus vote or a vote on town, I don't know. I think it could be both.

Kinda mrrr you aren't taking a real stance on it and just throwing a vote up but meh.

[VOTE: Nutella] aubergine

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 11:38 pm Yeah, I noticed that too. Though it speaks more to Jimmay being scum than Anne's alignment. I mean, Jimmay could be bussing or placing a vote on a town wagon. However, if I stretch a bit perhaps, he did ask questions that was framed more as "why is Anne town?" so that might be partnery. And then coming back to vote Anne anyway, maybe after contemplating bussing. But that's speculative. But I could see it.

Yeah but why doesn't he take me and Rabbit townreading Anne as an excuse to not vote her if they're partnered? Along the lines of "These 2 think Anne is town so I'll sheep them since they're active voices and they might be town" type of thing. Like I don't see why he would say he'll "Ponder about our townread of Anne" then proceed to literally vote her like 10 minutes later. That's not really "pondering" that's just "Toss a vote on a majority wagon."

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:03 am I was looking this up a bit ago before my last post.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:42 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:41 pm if falcon/mac are town/town then i am sort of skeptical of nutella/jay in particular

anne being w clears nutella in my worldview tho, i just personally dont currently think anne is w (open to being wrong tho)
What would be the first thing to give you pause about an Anne vote

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:44 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:41 pm Look the main reason I find Anne towny is based on her disdain being in this game. I think she kind of doesn't like being town as much as being mafia so she's been quite annoyed with how this game has gone, specifically with how her reads have progressed this game.
Is this a meta view that you’d say is based on numerous incidents or more of a general idea you have of anne as a player

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:47 pm Thanks iaafr and LC I’ll ponder

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:57 pm [VOTE: Anne] aubergine
JJJ actively speaks to both myself and Rabbit, and says "Okay, I see you both have reasons to townread Anne, I'll think about it." Then 10 minutes later just votes Anne anyways. Like if she's his partner he could've easily said "These 2 townread Anne and I'm taking their word for it" and proceed to vote someone else.
Like I'm not sure why JJJ doesn't take that opportunity to keep his teammate alive.

Top that off, this was his posts leading up to voting her.

@Dyslexicon

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 11:32 pm Can someone confirm that when Jimmay voted Anne, she was the leading wagon?

Yes during EOD she was top wagon.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 10:42 pm I mean...who's universally townread? Myself, Cassandra, Illario/Leetic, Rabbit? There's 4 there that aren't really facing much scrutiny, we do need a few more but it's a bit of a start.

Outside of those 4 I have SPF, Anne, Falcon, and Marmot as town, fwiw.

Remove vote wagon is pure as fuck.

This has been a weird ass day phase and I don't know what it means for the game.

I mean...who's universally townread? Myself, Cassandra, Illario/Leetic, Rabbit? There's 4 there that aren't really facing much scrutiny, we do need a few more but it's a bit of a start.

cassandra wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 9:06 pm TY brad. i hate post caps lmfao

except when im mafia then cap away :wowee:

i wasn't even aware JJJ posted reads lmao
but yeah i'm looking now and they can very easily be on villagers, especially when the people on the list (me, illartic, nutella, iaafr, brad, spf) were all concensus villa reads to a degree, maaaybe not spf but she was pretty townread

i don't completely agree with brad's reason to TR SPF because i think that her not taking "stances" in the 16/8 game may have to do with the fast nature of the game and she absolutely is capable of taking stances as mafia, but i've been on such a similar page as reads with SPF this game that i don't think she'd be able to imitate my mindset to a T as scum. also as i said her EOD line of "does anyone have actual reasons to vote anne/NAA?" is part of why i reconsidered my NAA voted and landed on JJJ and pushed through JJJ at all. the way SPF has treated her read on me has felt villagery to me too idk.

There's a few other things I've realized reading her mafia game but it's long winded and unnecessary since she's not in much trouble and there's more aspects in this game that point her out to be town and we're agreeing that she's town anyways.

I'm also keeping a few of those things quiet so that I can find her as mafia in a later game. :P

If anyone is questioning the stuff on SPF, my main reason to townread her is the fact that she is flat out taking stances on reads, they end up being hedgy but she's done that as town often.
She started Day 1, after the uwu fooling around, by outing reads on specific players with nuanced reasoning on each of them, including both town and scum reads.

The way she started 16/8 10er was by outing 2 immediate scumreads on people, and that was it. There was barely talk about most of the players in the game, just conversation and not much solving other slots besides Illwei where she gave a townread with a bunch of asterisks to.

I have to iso through her Day 2 when I feel like doing it but otherwise I'm pretty confident she's town.

@cassandra

You have 15 posts left FYI.

cassandra wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 8:23 pm SPF's treatment of Jay is how i'd expect her to approach him as town - finding him kinda wolfy but not super eager about chopping him day one because mischopping JJJ day one would be bad

tbh the wolfiest thing about her treatment of him is her voting him at all lmfao but i still think she is town tbh

Yeah this is pretty much how I was thinking of it.

I was relatively fine with her jumping on his wagon because I pinged her to do it.

What is the reasoning that SPF is considered mafia? Like I have her town from Day 1 and she typically gets sus'd as town often anyways, I'm just wondering what the case people are saying are.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 7:49 pm Have you been a brad boy?

......sure?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 7:48 pm Who the fuck is brad? Lime?

I'm Brad, yes.

I'm not opposed to the wagon.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:44 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:41 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:40 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:34 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:33 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:25 pm Still don't think anne's scum, if Wilgy or Axehole flips bad I might consider it but for now there are much better actions

Not really buying the case on Mac right now either
For Anne to be scum I'm pretty sure I have to be as well. I know that is not the case, but can attempt to view from an outside perspective and still don't see that as the case.
explain why your town alignment confirms anne's? i am missing this logic entirely (may have missed the posts, sorry)
We went from wagon Anne to wagon Jay when I was at 5 votes.

I see little reason why scum, if 2 scum buddies in Anne and Jay were in danger wouldn't have made me the yeet leader.
if the team is, say, afk-at-eod mac, afk-at-eod anne, and widely suspected and ill-regarded NAA, it's not like scum really had the clout to do anything about anything that happened at EOD
I suppose. I guess the thing is that I made it free.99 for scum to push me and don't feel like they did (even earlier in the phase for clarity), probably because they were just cool with Anne dying.

If you and Anne are T/T wagons during EOD, alongside Radishes who ended up wagoned at one point and has flipped town, you'd have to assume the people actually making an effort to change the yeet and running around like a chicken with their heads cut off are town.

Which then people who sat there and didn't do anything would be wolfy.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:42 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:38 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:37 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:36 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:30 pm Some of you already know this, and were alerted as soon as it happened, so may as well catch everyone up to speed.

Mac & I are now Lovers.
yehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
It appears to have had less thread impact than we expected
give it time
I am on my 3rd Monster Energy Drink, I'm less patient than normal

2 big cups of coffee and a Rockstar Energy.

Being in between tired and jittery at the same time is the worst.

Wait so Illario and Leetic are both comprised of 1 slot,

And then Falcon and Macdougall are lovers?

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:54 pm Can anyone give me a reason to townread nutella beyond "feels genuine"?

Should be Mac's counterwagon.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:27 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:26 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:26 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:24 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:22 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:19 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:17 pm

You have more losses than wins as town too? How about you get a positive record before talking.
I mean, I usually crush it on my home site as town, it's absolutely meaningless in the context of playing with new players all the time. I don't know why you go on feeling bad about yourself all the time, and then blaming others for your failures.
I have nothing to feel bad about, I play well, there's only 1 game where I feel like town L was my fault the rest of them I wasn't the issue.
I mean, your instinct to push responsibility for losses onto others actually comes through in your playstyle, how you try to be so polarized that you're basically an IC... That way you're never at fault.
I'm usually not.
OK, so you just play like garbage on this site then?
Did you read what I actually said?

It was only 3 words, how did you screw that up?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:26 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:26 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:24 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:22 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:19 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:17 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:14 pm

That's why I'm 0%... Oh wait.
You have more losses than wins as town too? How about you get a positive record before talking.
I mean, I usually crush it on my home site as town, it's absolutely meaningless in the context of playing with new players all the time. I don't know why you go on feeling bad about yourself all the time, and then blaming others for your failures.
I have nothing to feel bad about, I play well, there's only 1 game where I feel like town L was my fault the rest of them I wasn't the issue.
I mean, your instinct to push responsibility for losses onto others actually comes through in your playstyle, how you try to be so polarized that you're basically an IC... That way you're never at fault.
I'm usually not.
OK, so you just play like garbage on this site then?

Did you read what I actually said?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:24 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:22 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:19 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:17 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:14 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:13 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:12 pm
That's just game throwing.
No that's what you do.
That's why I'm 0%... Oh wait.
You have more losses than wins as town too? How about you get a positive record before talking.
I mean, I usually crush it on my home site as town, it's absolutely meaningless in the context of playing with new players all the time. I don't know why you go on feeling bad about yourself all the time, and then blaming others for your failures.
I have nothing to feel bad about, I play well, there's only 1 game where I feel like town L was my fault the rest of them I wasn't the issue.
I mean, your instinct to push responsibility for losses onto others actually comes through in your playstyle, how you try to be so polarized that you're basically an IC... That way you're never at fault.

I'm usually not.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:19 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:17 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:14 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:13 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:12 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:11 pm I had no energy for that game, so I just took being yeeted
That's just game throwing.
No that's what you do.
That's why I'm 0%... Oh wait.
You have more losses than wins as town too? How about you get a positive record before talking.
I mean, I usually crush it on my home site as town, it's absolutely meaningless in the context of playing with new players all the time. I don't know why you go on feeling bad about yourself all the time, and then blaming others for your failures.

I have nothing to feel bad about, I play well, there's only 1 game where I feel like town L was my fault the rest of them I wasn't the issue.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:14 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:13 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:12 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:11 pm I had no energy for that game, so I just took being yeeted
That's just game throwing.
No that's what you do.
That's why I'm 0%... Oh wait.

You have more losses than wins as town too? How about you get a positive record before talking.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:12 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:11 pm I had no energy for that game, so I just took being yeeted
That's just game throwing.

No that's what you do.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:04 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:02 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:00 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:07 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:00 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:51 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:50 pm

No.

It is a part of my reasoning.

It's awful reasoning.
Is that coming from the guy who can never get a read on me correctly?

Have you ever considered...that it is YOUR reasoning that is perhaps the one that is awful? We've played a fair number of games together...tell me, have you been winning much?
Not my fault you play scummy as hell as either alignment.

I've been winning games, not on this site though where you got people like Axe maf siding and every town player deciding they want to do nothing every game.
Don't bring me into this. Also, Falcon is right, your town win rate is 0%. It's such a joke that you're trying to project this onto others. I thought we buried this on D1, but I guess not.
I have a positive winrate on MU and MafColessium as town. It's clearly not me.
I'm honestly shocked that you still think you can read people after your track record here. It seems that every game you fall in a void of "I don't know what's going on" and either get yeeted or die randomly because you're so blatant and one dimensional that everyone in the game has you pegged as town.

My reads are normally accurate on here? That isn't the issue at all here.

Most of the time I'm multitabbing and these games typically take second priority, and I end up losing my thought process on the game and end up not bothering or caring about getting back into the game.

Fleabag was an example of that when Constellations happened and I had no energy for that game, so I just took being yeeted because I figured town had good players that would solve it at the end...annnd they didn't.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:00 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:07 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:00 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:51 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:50 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:46 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 12:28 pm

I think my favorite part was the reads list that's actually just a player list and gives no insight into your reads.
Wait your reasoning to scumread Anne is because she gave a town to scum list without reasoning?

Really?

That's your reasoning?

Like dude...do better.
No.

It is a part of my reasoning.

It's awful reasoning.
Is that coming from the guy who can never get a read on me correctly?

Have you ever considered...that it is YOUR reasoning that is perhaps the one that is awful? We've played a fair number of games together...tell me, have you been winning much?
Not my fault you play scummy as hell as either alignment.

I've been winning games, not on this site though where you got people like Axe maf siding and every town player deciding they want to do nothing every game.
Don't bring me into this. Also, Falcon is right, your town win rate is 0%. It's such a joke that you're trying to project this onto others. I thought we buried this on D1, but I guess not.

I have a positive winrate on MU and MafColessium as town. It's clearly not me.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:55 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:53 pm
ilario wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:40 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:27 am
ilario wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:25 am But who am I misreading then
i dunno, what do ur reads currently look like? if you post a list of ur reads then ill tell you where i think youre most likely misreading or misclearing

it'll have to be tomorrow tho cause i should have gone to bed like an hour ago

Ummm I don’t think Alexa or lc ever busses jjj like that So they are town. I don’t think bunny hops off like that eod as mafia and gives up on easy towncred and when I was going over eod yesterday with leetic I found towny posts from iaafr and think he’s town.

Falcon is town regardless of macs alignment, I don’t think they’re scum together but I can see Mac using falcons inactivity and his habits of hard tunneling a read as someone who would be perfect to pocket and scumside while Mac just hides in scum chat manipulating him and talking about farts in the thread. I am somewhat exaggerating this scenario because of how annoying falcons read on me is lol and the fact that he just afks all game and decides as his only worthwhile contribution is to random tunnel me is just aggravating. I also think leetic mentioned somewhere that nook fossed Mac and the nook NK implies there’s probably Atleast one more syndicate regular in the scum team and Rn I think nutella is more towny than mac.

Anne I thought was town early on, read through her iso last night and still seemed fine to me. Idk if her interaction with jjj early game is a point in her favour or against her favour given that she is good at theatre as scum. Like I don’t get why she cares about jjjs read on her when they don’t have much experience together but other then that I think she’s been towny.

Naa won me over by his reaction to me today, but him only hunting for two scum when there’s 3 alive is a bit hmmmm

Leetic has a theory that Nutella might have tmi’d esooa as a partner but if that’s not the case then I can see a world where they’re both town. I had reservations about nutella after the flip yesterday but I think her posts today seem genuine and so do esooas and also I think if sloonei was maf with jjj d1 he would have Atleast made more of an effort. I get people can get busy irl but nobody is so busy that they can’t Atleast make a few decent posts. People don’t low post because they’re live is super busy, yes it plays a factor but if someone still cared about the outcome they’ll still put in some effort to post even if busy. I think sloonei would have felt as with jjj as his teammate. Also jjj made some post about saving his posts near eod to get to talk to sloonei and that didn’t feel partnery to me.

So yeah that leaves dizzy wilgy mac you even though you had posts I liked on d1 I also did find some stuff that felt off about u at times
agreed that alexa and LC are town

i agree that occam's razor points to falcon just being a villager, although im reluctant to clear him specifically because of mac's claim because mac has a recent history of hard shielding and hard defending one of his partners and trying to go to endgame from it (that game where he was wolf with kane and twice shrunk). even so, i agree that there's a higher probability that falcon is town than not

i think that you're clearing anne, NAA, and esooa too easily. do you have any reasons to townread anne beyond her being "fine"? i agree that some of her posts on d1 were towny, but we're at a stage of the game where that isn't a good enough reason to townread someone. i also don't agree with you that NAA's reaction was towny

also, i fundamentally disagree with your reasoning for townreading the esooa slot and i think it's a weird thing to read into. we know for a fact that sloonei was very busy IRL throughout d1, and i think it's weird to assume that he would have magically gotten more free time and ability to post if he had rand'd wolf with jagged - that doesn't seem like a reasonable or logical assumption to make, and i think it's the type of reasoning that will get you burned incredibly easily. i also think that esooa sounds tonally stiff in a way that i have NEVER seen from her in a mafia game before, so i'm not sure what to do with that
how am I tonally stiff

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:53 pm
cassandra wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:52 pm Esooa prob town now

Brad can you tell me how many posts I have left sob
25 after this post.

anne wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:54 pm
cassandra wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:52 pm Esooa prob town now

Brad can you tell me how many posts I have left sob
you have 25

YES!

I DID IT!

I BEAT SOMEONE POSTING IN TIME!

I FINALLY DID IT!

I'M BACK!

WOO!

cassandra wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:52 pm Esooa prob town now

Brad can you tell me how many posts I have left sob

25 after this post.

Actually I think I started townreading Cassandra Day 1 because we had the same thought on JJJ Day 1, which she actually said it and I was debating myself over it. Usually when we're town together our reads are kind of similar with an exception to a few things.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:21 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:14 pm Anyways, here's a list.

Cassandra
Illario/Leetic
IAAFR
Anne
SPF
Marmot
Falcon
Wilgy
NAA
Esooa
Dizzy
Mac
Nutella
Got 3 reasons why for your Top & Bottom 3?

Cassandra - Town meta, tried to CFD maf!JJJ 4 times during EOD and got him out.

Illario/Leetic - Illario had the post where he was talking about JJJ posting like he was content with any wagon that isn't him, which sounds like the type of shade you wouldn't do to your partner, Illario was on the wagon but jumped off but I could see his reasoning which felt fine to me. Plus Illario's treatment of NAA with both the "We might want to get rid of this guy before late-game so he doesn't screw us over" to actually finding reasons to scumread him based on past games to begrudgingly townreading him feels like a town that is actually trying to solve rather than just tossing NAA out.

IAAFR - Bounced around from wagon to wagon during EOD taking a stance that Anne was town until he faltered, but then helped build the CFD to JJJ at the last minute. Again even if he jumped off a the last second I don't see reasoning to do that as mafia if he would've wanted town credit. His firm stances on certain reads like what he has on Nutella and sticking to it is a good look.

Dizzy - This is just by proxy that everyone else looks better in some way or form and he's just been kinda there.

Mac - Has pretty much been low efforting and meme'ing the entire game, his reaction to being wagoned last night was just a shrug and leaving which I feel like town!Mac would do more.

I also have a tinfoil that both neighborhood gimmicks aren't 100% town, like one of them has to have a mafia in them somewhere.

Nutella - Awful Day 1 that did next to nothing, EOD 1 was worse when she just planted on Anne and refused to do anything else or explain why she wanted Anne out.
Ironically enough she said that Anne is trying to "Broaden the POE" with her big post to start the day phase, even though Nutella kept trying to say Cassandra and I are mafia last night.

Anyways, here's a list.

Cassandra
Illario/Leetic
IAAFR
Anne
SPF
Marmot
Falcon
Wilgy
NAA
Esooa
Dizzy
Mac
Nutella

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:00 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:51 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:50 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:46 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 12:28 pm
anne wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 12:19 pm You didn't even read it

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine
I think my favorite part was the reads list that's actually just a player list and gives no insight into your reads.
Wait your reasoning to scumread Anne is because she gave a town to scum list without reasoning?

Really?

That's your reasoning?

Like dude...do better.
No.

It is a part of my reasoning.

It's awful reasoning.
Is that coming from the guy who can never get a read on me correctly?

Have you ever considered...that it is YOUR reasoning that is perhaps the one that is awful? We've played a fair number of games together...tell me, have you been winning much?

Not my fault you play scummy as hell as either alignment.

I've been winning games, not on this site though where you got people like Axe maf siding and every town player deciding they want to do nothing every game.

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