The Syndicate

Dana wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 1:16 am Also sorry I did not mean to have the laughing emoji in there that feels so mean omg

Caring about being mean is a classic scumtell. Town do not care about being mean because we are cruel and capricious creatures and in a way weren't we the real wolves all along

God I just remembered that character is from Bleach. Remember when that series was good, briefly. And the side characters were relevant.

I should probably do a read on sig to make sure this vote is actually a good idea but I guess that can wait a minute

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:53 am

I'm not trying to kinkshame but this isn't the time or the place

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:51 am I feel like this game is going to be over by PoE once Sig flips mafia (falcon vote is hilarious).

Wildly optimistic but feels townie too

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:28 am

IBA wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:27 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:19 am

IBA wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:09 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:05 am IBA is not the person to be having discussions about views on the game. He has obtuse ones and will defend them as though they are empirical. Anyone who engages him on this who knows him is probably looking for reasons to upset the gamestate.

Right so this is the problem with townleaders, you think it is not only reasonable but optimal for you to dictate what other people think, and anyone who opposes this is either scum or a noob.

But mafia is a game about consensus building. This is why you lose games for towns, short of just when you're a wolf I guess, because trying to assume decision-making for the entire town doesn't work. It's open to manipulation from every angle by scum, even when the self-appointed townleader IS town, and you're neutering one of the town's biggest weapons which is the wisdom of crowds.

I dispute your characterisation and I have won more town games than I've lost and I've played a lot dude. You are casting a lot of judgement for a person who read a single game of mine. It would be discerning to withhold judgement pending some statistically viable data.

I am not someone who approaches games with the same mentality every time. I also have changed a great deal as a player since then. I'd appreciate if you would give me the benefit of the doubt on this otherwise this game will be a suckfest.

I apologise for being callous in my reaction.

Yeah that's fair. I'll try to keep an open mind and have at least gotten it out of my system. Those cards on the table, though, regardless of personality, I feel and will act generally on my belief that deferring to any real or perceived "leader" or authority as town is a bad strategy and bad gameplay, just as a simple matter of decision-making, and this is just as a strategy and nonwithstanding my RL position as an anarcho-communist, which may or may not be a factor in that.

Long story short I'm up for trying to be more productive etc. but I'm not gonna play ball with the idea that anyone should be deferring to anyone else's judgments per se.

eh just forget what I said after you brought up the champs game it was hostile defensiveness all the way down

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In fairness I do actually agree that I played like shit and as HK will attest that game was part of my motivation to radically re-assess my strategy as town and adopt one that's more uh

I always get made fun of for this because it sounds pretentious and I guess it is, but I strive to be more Daoist and try to divorce myself from ego in my town play now. Including and actually very much focused on letting go of the illusion of control via narratives and trying to focus on holistic gut reads

That being said it still doesn't do much d1 which is usually a shit show no matter what you do honestly

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:23 am Pride is not the opposite of shame, but it’s source. True humility is the only antidote to shame.

I'd say erasure of ego but I guess that's p much the same thing, so, true

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:19 am

IBA wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:09 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:05 am IBA is not the person to be having discussions about views on the game. He has obtuse ones and will defend them as though they are empirical. Anyone who engages him on this who knows him is probably looking for reasons to upset the gamestate.

Right so this is the problem with townleaders, you think it is not only reasonable but optimal for you to dictate what other people think, and anyone who opposes this is either scum or a noob.

But mafia is a game about consensus building. This is why you lose games for towns, short of just when you're a wolf I guess, because trying to assume decision-making for the entire town doesn't work. It's open to manipulation from every angle by scum, even when the self-appointed townleader IS town, and you're neutering one of the town's biggest weapons which is the wisdom of crowds.

I dispute your characterisation and I have won more town games than I've lost and I've played a lot dude. You are casting a lot of judgement for a person who read a single game of mine. It would be discerning to withhold judgement pending some statistically viable data.

I am not someone who approaches games with the same mentality every time. I also have changed a great deal as a player since then. I'd appreciate if you would give me the benefit of the doubt on this otherwise this game will be a suckfest.

I apologise for being callous in my reaction.

Yeah that's fair. I'll try to keep an open mind and have at least gotten it out of my system. Those cards on the table, though, regardless of personality, I feel and will act generally on my belief that deferring to any real or perceived "leader" or authority as town is a bad strategy and bad gameplay, just as a simple matter of decision-making, and this is just as a strategy and nonwithstanding my RL position as an anarcho-communist, which may or may not be a factor in that.

Long story short I'm up for trying to be more productive etc. but I'm not gonna play ball with the idea that anyone should be deferring to anyone else's judgments per se.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:16 am @IBA you need to use the pole, the text vote feature laughably does nothing.

So noting here that Axel is (probably) using "pole" because I referred to poles in my previous post, instead of "poll" which is what (he?) means

Vocal drift is a universal phenomenon- you hear other people pronounce a word or use it a certain way and you are likely to do the same instinctively. This is how accents, dialects, and languages form and change in the first place, it's not a conscious endeavor. In fact great effort has to be made to check this growth, hence the modern (from a grand perspective) proliferation of dictionaries, writers' guides, and other institutions to formalize language. Hence the Devil's Dictionary's entry for same:

DICTIONARY, n. A malevolent literary device for cramping the growth of a language and making it hard and inelastic. This dictionary, however, is a most useful work.

At any rate, this is to say that while scum might do this too, it suggests a pretty relaxed posture that is >null town, as tells go.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:16 am @IBA you need to use the pole, the text vote feature laughably does nothing.

lmao is this for real

IBA wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:16 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:12 am

IBA wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:09 am you think it is not only reasonable but optimal for you to dictate what other people think, and anyone who opposes this is either scum or a noob.

Do you that there are positions between the poles of, "The only pro-town behavior is doing what I say" and "it is impossible to say that any behavior is scummy"?

...Do you think that*

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:12 am

IBA wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:09 am you think it is not only reasonable but optimal for you to dictate what other people think, and anyone who opposes this is either scum or a noob.

Do you that there are positions between the poles of, "The only pro-town behavior is doing what I say" and "it is impossible to say that any behavior is scummy"?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:13 am

IBA wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:11 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:07 amI played a mafia game.

You lost a mafia game for the entire town

Which hey, it happens, but you're the one that wanted to bring up my track record in that game so it seems fair to examine it

I didn't blame shit.

Yes you did

You were the one in dvc hanging shit on people. You still were as recently as 2 weeks ago over a game that ended 2 years ago.

lmao what is this? No I wasn't. I don't even have a mic.

I didn't bitch at all about voting.

Yes you did, you complained you weren't at the top of the picks.

What the fuck is wrong with you?

I don't like you. I was prepared to let it lie at just disliking your playstyle, which I do, but since you wanted to start shit then hey, you are and were also just unpleasant to play with on a personal level.

Now now, plz just vote Sig and stop posting.

Meet you half way

[VOTE: Sig] aubergine

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:09 am

IBA wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:07 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:04 am

IBA wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:02 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:00 am

IBA wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 11:57 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 11:55 pm I mean...champs finale last year, I was literally the CW to every single yeet. I survived the game. Town won.

I read people in part based on how they interact with me.

If I’m cleared, I’m out of my comfort zone and the only way people continue to interact with me is to ask me to solve the game for them.

I don’t want to be hard cleared unless I get a couple townie players tunneling me and it’s getting near lylo.

Yeah wanting to be nearly mislynched every day is super strong townie tell, also everyone really listens to the dude they think is a wolf

Being read as town is your single most important job as town wtaf

Guess I’m just not very good at mafia then.

Here I thought the most important part of being a townie is to catch wolves.

Trying to yeet people for having a different idea of how to play the game than you net you a lot of wolves? Historically, I mean?

Yeeting people for having anti-town views has historically had a positive impact on town wins in my experience, yes.

Not what I asked you.

What doesn't it answer to you?

Who is my favorite pokemon? Bulbasaur, of course.

Spoiler: show

Since we’re apparently playing this game where we ignore questions, make up our own and then answer those questions instead.

Yeah I mean that goes without saying

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:07 amI played a mafia game.

You lost a mafia game for the entire town

Which hey, it happens, but you're the one that wanted to bring up my track record in that game so it seems fair to examine it

I didn't blame shit.

Yes you did

You were the one in dvc hanging shit on people. You still were as recently as 2 weeks ago over a game that ended 2 years ago.

lmao what is this? No I wasn't. I don't even have a mic.

I didn't bitch at all about voting.

Yes you did, you complained you weren't at the top of the picks.

What the fuck is wrong with you?

I don't like you. I was prepared to let it lie at just disliking your playstyle, which I do, but since you wanted to start shit then hey, you are and were also just unpleasant to play with on a personal level.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:05 am IBA is not the person to be having discussions about views on the game. He has obtuse ones and will defend them as though they are empirical. Anyone who engages him on this who knows him is probably looking for reasons to upset the gamestate.

Right so this is the problem with townleaders, you think it is not only reasonable but optimal for you to dictate what other people think, and anyone who opposes this is either scum or a noob.

But mafia is a game about consensus building. This is why you lose games for towns, short of just when you're a wolf I guess, because trying to assume decision-making for the entire town doesn't work. It's open to manipulation from every angle by scum, even when the self-appointed townleader IS town, and you're neutering one of the town's biggest weapons which is the wisdom of crowds.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:04 am

IBA wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:02 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:00 am

IBA wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 11:57 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 11:55 pm I mean...champs finale last year, I was literally the CW to every single yeet. I survived the game. Town won.

I read people in part based on how they interact with me.

If I’m cleared, I’m out of my comfort zone and the only way people continue to interact with me is to ask me to solve the game for them.

I don’t want to be hard cleared unless I get a couple townie players tunneling me and it’s getting near lylo.

Yeah wanting to be nearly mislynched every day is super strong townie tell, also everyone really listens to the dude they think is a wolf

Being read as town is your single most important job as town wtaf

Guess I’m just not very good at mafia then.

Here I thought the most important part of being a townie is to catch wolves.

Trying to yeet people for having a different idea of how to play the game than you net you a lot of wolves? Historically, I mean?

Yeeting people for having anti-town views has historically had a positive impact on town wins in my experience, yes.

Not what I asked you.

What doesn't it answer to you?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 11:59 pm

IBA wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 11:58 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 11:56 pm

IBA wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 11:56 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 11:55 pm you had a good reason to vote me?

Well better than null anyway, and the good meta-reason was that there was nothing else but null to work from

so you've read the entire game?

No I just hate townleader players and think they drag town down a lot, and I distinctly remember you as being a super clear example of this.

Yeah I also remember how much you incorrectly tunneled me for awful reasons, got yourself chopped over it and then blamed me in post when town lost the game in f3. Thanks for bringing up your one game meta.

I mean if you want to be real you fucked up and literally lost the game, blamed everyone else post game for town's loss after having successfully browbeat your way to being townleader, and bitched that people didn't vote you higher.

KZA wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:00 am Mac is a town leader type so vote him

Jack doesn't like being cleared so vote him

am I reading this correctly?

Yes that's what I said how can I help you

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:00 am

IBA wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 11:57 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 11:55 pm I mean...champs finale last year, I was literally the CW to every single yeet. I survived the game. Town won.

I read people in part based on how they interact with me.

If I’m cleared, I’m out of my comfort zone and the only way people continue to interact with me is to ask me to solve the game for them.

I don’t want to be hard cleared unless I get a couple townie players tunneling me and it’s getting near lylo.

Yeah wanting to be nearly mislynched every day is super strong townie tell, also everyone really listens to the dude they think is a wolf

Being read as town is your single most important job as town wtaf

Guess I’m just not very good at mafia then.

Here I thought the most important part of being a townie is to catch wolves.

Trying to yeet people for having a different idea of how to play the game than you net you a lot of wolves? Historically, I mean?

Yeeting people for having anti-town views has historically had a positive impact on town wins in my experience, yes.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 11:56 pm

IBA wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 11:56 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 11:55 pm you had a good reason to vote me?

Well better than null anyway, and the good meta-reason was that there was nothing else but null to work from

so you've read the entire game?

No I just hate townleader players and think they drag town down a lot, and I distinctly remember you as being a super clear example of this.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 11:55 pm I mean...champs finale last year, I was literally the CW to every single yeet. I survived the game. Town won.

I read people in part based on how they interact with me.

If I’m cleared, I’m out of my comfort zone and the only way people continue to interact with me is to ask me to solve the game for them.

I don’t want to be hard cleared unless I get a couple townie players tunneling me and it’s getting near lylo.

Yeah wanting to be nearly mislynched every day is super strong townie tell, also everyone really listens to the dude they think is a wolf

Being read as town is your single most important job as town wtaf

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 11:55 pm you had a good reason to vote me?

Well better than null anyway, and the good meta-reason was that there was nothing else but null to work from

Oh I guess that's referring to a different game for sean?

Makes shit easy

[VOTE: Jackofhearts2005] aubergine

Sigh I really liked having a good reason to vote for Mac but fuck it like.

Honestly now my dilemma is just between voting for Jack or seanzie on this

like lmao wtf how do you just claim wolf like that

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 11:50 pm

sig wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 7:47 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 7:46 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 7:45 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 7:44 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 7:43 pm how did you guys arrive at seanzie being the consensus if he was super active? how did he respond to the suggestions? were you expecting seanzie to be a red or green?

Sean didn't want to be investigated, but voted with us on himself.

he didn't want to be investigated? why?

Would you?

Why wouldn’t you if your civ though?

Cause it ruins half my towngame tbh.

what the fuck

Being cleared ruins your town game

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 11:51 pm

IBA wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 11:46 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 11:43 pm Oh is IBA in this game?

Spoiler: show

mad good distancing right guys?

Yo

Do I know you

I’ve seen you around discord. Aren’t you Doombot somewhere? Or maybe I’ve just heard the name.

Yeah that is correct

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 7:44 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 7:43 pm how did you guys arrive at seanzie being the consensus if he was super active? how did he respond to the suggestions? were you expecting seanzie to be a red or green?

Sean didn't want to be investigated, but voted with us on himself.

Wait what

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 11:47 pm

IBA wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 11:10 pm @hollowkatt please explain who I should vote for, ty

sig

Alright

Why

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 11:43 pm Oh is IBA in this game?

Spoiler: show

mad good distancing right guys?

Yo

Do I know you

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 11:40 pmsup iba

Namuch, you?

Ugh this fucking site

Okay this is going to be an issue, let's clear out the weeds

[v]MacDougall[/v]

@hollowkatt please explain who I should vote for, ty

KZA wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 10:56 pm

IBA wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 10:55 pm Is there a way to ISO or was that also a joke

ISO links spoiler in the OP

ty

Is there a way to ISO or was that also a joke

So is this the real mac or the fake one

Oh my god

Is there a way to change the posts per page view because I'm not clicking through 31 pages