The Syndicate

Honestly, the best part of this game is Urist saying he wont let me near him or his sons. I don't even like his son.

I'm a very forgiving soul, it would have gone something like:

Mac, you're wrong. The red check was great

StarV, you're a dick.

Mac, I agree 100%, I was just trying to dunk on mafia though

StarV, I can't stay mad at you buddy.

Aww, I know mac, I know...

At least that's how it unfolded in my dream.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 6:56 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 6:44 pm This game ended d1 honestly. If y'all really consider how far behind town was when Justin got mod killed, KZA got vigged and then two town flipped. I was playing deepwolf and paying no attention to my antispew and got vigged and it barely even helped the odds. Axehole's decision may have been questionable but it was much like Felicis taking a hero shot. If I flip town are you all on Felicis's case like this? On day 2 the only person Axe has a green on is himself and nobody was listening to each other so he did what he could to create the highest percentage chop in a very low percentage situation. It wasn't like he faked a red from a game winning situation and cost town the game imo. D2 was already, as proven, the penultimate day of the game. I honestly doubt you would have got a mafia flip in any other way anyway. In many ways him doing that may have been town's only path to victory. If only he faked the red on Seanzie.
How can you compare a fake red check to a night vig taken on a hunch? Night vigs are supposed to do that, you are not supposed to fake a redcheck and not rescind it, period. We will never know what would have happen if Axe didnt do what he did, but i think you overestimated your faction's situation there. LoMo and Seanzie were high suspects and i believe we would have yeeted one of them if it wasn't for Axe red check that took the game hostage, we were forced to believe Axe had a redcheck and forced to form reads out of that.

Mafia had an easy win due to Axe's actions, he was the best wolf partner from another faction that you could have hoped for and you would be mad if you had randed town in this game, i know that for sure.

If Mac was town he would have organised the town when I asked him to and we wouldn't have been in the same situation.

Also, pretty sure we would have made up by now even in the same situation.

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 4:20 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 4:11 pm
DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 3:59 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 10:04 am @DaughterOfOmega Weren't you so notorious for fake claiming that no one ever listened to you?
I'm notorious for something?

The only thing I've ever been told about myself is I'm a horrible human being. Usually that's the criticism I remember from my past mafia games
I don't know anyone who has said that, to be honest.
Wish I could say the same.

I think they're just talking about your gameplay, not you as a person, so you shouldn't take it personally.

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 4:20 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 4:11 pm
DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 3:59 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 10:04 am @DaughterOfOmega Weren't you so notorious for fake claiming that no one ever listened to you?
I'm notorious for something?

The only thing I've ever been told about myself is I'm a horrible human being. Usually that's the criticism I remember from my past mafia games
I don't know anyone who has said that, to be honest.
Wish I could say the same.

I'm an angel, I even helped Guillotine reach closure on the game.

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 3:59 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 10:04 am @DaughterOfOmega Weren't you so notorious for fake claiming that no one ever listened to you?
I'm notorious for something?

The only thing I've ever been told about myself is I'm a horrible human being. Usually that's the criticism I remember from my past mafia games

I don't know anyone who has said that, to be honest.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 11:32 am my personal punishment for people who fake red checks and subsequently cause town to lose the game is 1 month blacklist unless they had a good reason to do it

There's nothing that says a fake can't surpass the real thing.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 10:16 am I just hope you learn from this, it's all i ask.

I said everything i needed to say, i needed closure or i wouldnt be able to let it go.

See you guys in the next game!

I'm glad you've been able to work out your issues here, and I hope you come out a better man for it.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 10:10 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 10:07 am @Guillotine You're basically saying that I should be punished for not violating the rules because I didn't play into the narrow box that you feel town should stick to. I mean, that's some level of entitlement. But who am I to judge, I do think your world should revolve around you somewhat.
Dude, the fact that you still don't get it proves my point. Hopefully one day you will see it.

I have acknowledged your point. I think you're an excellent forum mafia player and you were definitely on track to carry town to victory if not for my pesky meddling.

@Guillotine You're basically saying that I should be punished for not violating the rules because I didn't play into the narrow box that you feel town should stick to. I mean, that's some level of entitlement. But who am I to judge, I do think your world should revolve around you somewhat.

@DaughterOfOmega Weren't you so notorious for fake claiming that no one ever listened to you?

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 10:02 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 9:57 am
Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 9:55 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 9:53 am
Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 9:51 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 9:48 am
Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 9:47 am

See these comments? This shows this guy deliberately played against our wincon and he has shown no remorse whatsoever for his actions. He displayed a similar attitude in the DVC.

He needs to be punished for it. I'm taking measures for the games im hosting here and I‘d advice everyone to do the same.
I'm supposed to feel remorse for having bad reads and losing a game?
No, you are supposed to feel remorse for faking a redcheck and not rescinding it. You sre supposed to feel remorse for making the game about you instead of playing like you are part of the team, you are supposed to apologize for it and yet you act like we should just accept that behavior, which you hinted in the D C that you have no intention of changing.
I'm sorry that you come from that generation of people who can't handle someone who does something differently than them.
Whatever man.
I mean, if you don't want a ridiculous quote to be used against you, don't make it in the first place.
Against me? Ha!

I don't take it back, cause it was addressed to the kind of people described in it and no one else.

It's funny because it seems to apply to you on both ends of the statement.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 9:55 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 9:53 am
Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 9:51 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 9:48 am
Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 9:47 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Jul 05, 2021 10:58 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Mon Jul 05, 2021 10:48 pm Sorry I shouldve led the town
I lead town to you so that you could lead them from beyond the grave.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 9:31 am I agree with vulgard, we lost because my reads were bad, no one else did anything of note.
See these comments? This shows this guy deliberately played against our wincon and he has shown no remorse whatsoever for his actions. He displayed a similar attitude in the DVC.

He needs to be punished for it. I'm taking measures for the games im hosting here and I‘d advice everyone to do the same.
I'm supposed to feel remorse for having bad reads and losing a game?
No, you are supposed to feel remorse for faking a redcheck and not rescinding it. You sre supposed to feel remorse for making the game about you instead of playing like you are part of the team, you are supposed to apologize for it and yet you act like we should just accept that behavior, which you hinted in the D C that you have no intention of changing.
I'm sorry that you come from that generation of people who can't handle someone who does something differently than them.
Whatever man.

I mean, if you don't want a ridiculous quote to be used against you, don't make it in the first place.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 9:53 am Like i would accept that you messed up, cause i have messed up the same way too. I lost a gane for town faking a redcheck and not rescinding it. But i apologized after game and actually learnt the lesson, i never did it again.

I will try not to be wrong again.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 9:51 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 9:48 am
Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 9:47 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Jul 05, 2021 10:58 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Mon Jul 05, 2021 10:48 pm Sorry I shouldve led the town
I lead town to you so that you could lead them from beyond the grave.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 9:31 am I agree with vulgard, we lost because my reads were bad, no one else did anything of note.
See these comments? This shows this guy deliberately played against our wincon and he has shown no remorse whatsoever for his actions. He displayed a similar attitude in the DVC.

He needs to be punished for it. I'm taking measures for the games im hosting here and I‘d advice everyone to do the same.
I'm supposed to feel remorse for having bad reads and losing a game?
No, you are supposed to feel remorse for faking a redcheck and not rescinding it. You sre supposed to feel remorse for making the game about you instead of playing like you are part of the team, you are supposed to apologize for it and yet you act like we should just accept that behavior, which you hinted in the D C that you have no intention of changing.

I'm sorry that you come from that generation of people who can't handle someone who does something differently than them.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 9:47 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Jul 05, 2021 10:58 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Mon Jul 05, 2021 10:48 pm Sorry I shouldve led the town
I lead town to you so that you could lead them from beyond the grave.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 9:31 am I agree with vulgard, we lost because my reads were bad, no one else did anything of note.
See these comments? This shows this guy deliberately played against our wincon and he has shown no remorse whatsoever for his actions. He displayed a similar attitude in the DVC.

He needs to be punished for it. I'm taking measures for the games im hosting here and I‘d advice everyone to do the same.

I'm supposed to feel remorse for having bad reads and losing a game?

I agree with vulgard, we lost because my reads were bad, no one else did anything of note.

KZA wrote: ↑Mon Jul 05, 2021 10:48 pm Sorry I shouldve led the town

I lead town to you so that you could lead them from beyond the grave.

This is good. Soup is supposed to be salty.

Grogu wrote: ↑Mon Jul 05, 2021 6:12 pm Wtf is over? How many scum were there?

I did say it was almost certainly LyLo

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Jul 05, 2021 2:19 pm Bruh that soup kill is broken af

Not that it would've changed the endgame anyway, but still pretty bad

Yeah, it's really nice to have in a game where role is connected to alignment though because you need some claim prevention. The issue here is that roles don't matter. People can literally just claim their exact role and defend the actions they took, or make them up if not public knowledge.

The only thing with the "soup kill" that I didn't like is that, in my opinion, anti-claim measures aren't really needed when roles have no connection to alignment.

Thanks for the game @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

Apologies for that.

Also, on the last day I had the vibe that it was LyLo, so I intentionally escalated the situation so that I could believably out the information about TSP. The goal was to bait mafia into shooting the bulletproof. But I had already spilled the beans to Seanzie because I figured the game was lost if Seanzie was mafia because the vigi shot/game state was going to be impossible to workaround.

In the end, I don't think it mattered either way. Mafia was probably winning anyway, I didn't really get the soup kill thing, but I also didn't read the setup, so idk.

Soz guys, got a bit hot. I'm dead anyway so GG.

Alright, I give up.

TonyStarkPrime is Aang, I got him as my N1 result and he has an entirely broken role of 4 abilities and several passives. Mafia kill him in the night if he's not on your team. He also eventually gains multitasking.

Goodbye

Wait, no... It's easy to see why, it's just that I wish it were game related reads.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 04, 2021 5:19 pm reading the past 3 pages has been the most draining 10 minutes of my life

I feel bad for you, I really do. Guilmo has been trying to bury me really hard and it's hard to see why.

Ok, so here's what's going to happen. I'm going to flip town and if there's a tomorrow you're going to mass claim. Specifically looking for discrepancies with how the game played out. mafia have 2 vig shots (1 marked for death poison shot). Also, I was roleblocked / didn't get a result last night.

You can probably get a lot of detail from a mass claim.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Jul 04, 2021 5:16 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Jul 04, 2021 5:09 pm Why are you so bitter @Guillotine just play the game.
You misunderstand, it's nothing to do with bitterness, it's just the simple fact that everything points out to you being scum.

How about you just spew the rest of the team?

TSP

Why are you so bitter @Guillotine just play the game.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Jul 04, 2021 3:52 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Jul 04, 2021 3:47 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Jul 04, 2021 3:44 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:51 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:49 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:47 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:46 pm

how bout you sheep me
Your D1 is weaker
I am a different proposition on forums in fairness
I could compromise by going back onto TSP if you're still thinking that.
@TonyStarkPrime vote Axe with me please.
He's mafia
If he doesn't vote to yeet you I will believe it. You and Mac worked hard to spew him town in case you both flipped, so depending on Tony's actions today I will be able to conclude if you were trying to distance from him or actually get him over as a mischop option.

What you conclude after today if you yeet me likely won't matter.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Jul 04, 2021 3:46 pm
DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:44 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:42 pm
DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:41 pm StarV is in this game? Lol such an easy read
Ye I'm bad at mafia alignment, sheep me townie
Star the only thing worse than your mafia play is your reads as town
@DaughterOfOmega what do you think of @NotAnAxehole as of now?

She thought I was a prick before

my guess is nothing changed. I don't actually know who that is.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Jul 04, 2021 3:44 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:51 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:49 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:47 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:46 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:39 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:35 pmStarV?
Sheep me, and bring your friends
how bout you sheep me
Your D1 is weaker
I am a different proposition on forums in fairness
I could compromise by going back onto TSP if you're still thinking that.
@TonyStarkPrime vote Axe with me please.

He's mafia

Why are we even defending the legacy of players who didn't defend themselves?

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Jul 04, 2021 3:39 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 3:01 pm I'm not saying I can't be wrong, it's just I'm not vibing sig scummy, I think upon review of his ISO, he just gave off an actual scum tell.
What scum tell was that again?

Wrong

Actually, if we killed who I wanted to kill, we would only have killed 1 person.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Jul 04, 2021 3:36 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 3:55 pm Here is my mafia core at this stage of the game:

Sig
TSP
Felicis
ButterscotchSundae
KZA
Justinrs2

Second tier:

Dana
Creature (relies on KZA being wrong)
Guillotine (Also more or less relies on KZA and justinrs2 being wrong)

I think there's quite a lot to see on a re-read

Too bad y'all killed Luckbox.

Tbh anyone who thinks I'm mafia is short tempered @Guillotine I get it now.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Jul 04, 2021 3:28 pm
Grogu wrote: ↑Sun Jul 04, 2021 3:26 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jul 04, 2021 10:13 am We have a dayvig to publicly plan?

Grogu wrote: ↑Sun Jul 04, 2021 2:06 am This is why I said: I literally cannot die. I leave the game but talk to aang and tell them my reads amd get to solve. I didn’t understand who aang was when I read my role. That’s why I realized later on my role was actually very important. I make aang stronger.
Good luck friends. I think killing me is the best play since axe has to be town also.
We need to look at the people like creature who jumped on me and long con.
Just very suspect, those would be the people I would vote but I don’t think we can change everyone mind.
Pretty sure that this is all bullshit, and Grogu is a wolf with Axe. What a world-view. "Two people who voted me are wolves, YAWN, ok, hard day's work, I'm done."
This would be so fake. He doesn’t believe this.
No way me and axe are wolves together
I mean, Guillo believes this.

And I agree - no clue how they believe this

Grogu wrote: ↑Sun Jul 04, 2021 3:26 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jul 04, 2021 10:13 am We have a dayvig to publicly plan?

Grogu wrote: ↑Sun Jul 04, 2021 2:06 am This is why I said: I literally cannot die. I leave the game but talk to aang and tell them my reads amd get to solve. I didn’t understand who aang was when I read my role. That’s why I realized later on my role was actually very important. I make aang stronger.
Good luck friends. I think killing me is the best play since axe has to be town also.
We need to look at the people like creature who jumped on me and long con.
Just very suspect, those would be the people I would vote but I don’t think we can change everyone mind.
Pretty sure that this is all bullshit, and Grogu is a wolf with Axe. What a world-view. "Two people who voted me are wolves, YAWN, ok, hard day's work, I'm done."
This would be so fake. He doesn’t believe this.
No way me and axe are wolves together

I mean, Guillo believes this.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Jul 04, 2021 3:24 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 8:19 pm
Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 8:16 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 8:13 pm
sig wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 8:08 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 8:04 pm I'm not sure which is more scummy,

Guillotine being a memer that is excessively meming which seems like something a scum memer could get caught up in (or a disinterested towny).

Or EnderWiggin giving the excessive memer a town pass.

Probably the latter?
Why can't it just be Guillotine messing around d1?
I don't see how your question-hypothesis poses a contradiction to anything I said.

@MacDougall I know you're voting luckbox, but can you play devil's advocate for a second and give me a reason why I should town read him? I feel like there are a couple of meta options, I'll let you choose your approach though.
You're asking Mac for a reason why you should town read me when he's voting me?
Very astute observation. I will not bore you with my line of thinking as you probably have already deduced that as well.
Because Axe is scum of course.

Sigh, try to critically analyse the game plz.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Jul 04, 2021 3:22 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Jul 04, 2021 3:20 pm So yeah, I've actually been playing to wincon, I don't know what the fuck you guys are doing @Guillotine @Vulgard . Literally not considering anything and blind retribution kill in potential LyLo is just brutal.
This is TMI. We don't know if we are at Lylo unless you know numbers, scum numbers.

I mean I know there is a 1-shot killproof role in the game, and a roleblocked that claimed not to roleblock me, yet I was roleblocked.

So yeah there is a chance this is the end.

I just built a better case than Dana who rolled over.

Like, in a game where roles were handed out before alignment, you thought there was an alignment checking role, how is that even on me?

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Jul 04, 2021 3:18 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Jul 04, 2021 3:10 pm I think Guillotine joined this game saying I'm going to kill NOTANAXEHOLE and nothing will stop me. It's ridiculous, you can't even have a reasonable conversation with the guy.
I'm sorry but I don't negotiate with scum and I scum read you since day 1, I backed off on Day 2 cause by policy I had to believe you were outing a true redcheck, but you didn't. Everything you've done in this game is anti-town so the conclusion is that you are just mafia.

"By Policy"

Well there's your problem.

So yeah, I've actually been playing to wincon, I don't know what the fuck you guys are doing @Guillotine @Vulgard . Literally not considering anything and blind retribution kill in potential LyLo is just brutal.

Also, if we're going to get technical about it, the only anti-town thing I've done is claim and hold a red check the d1 and the vig aren't entirely my fault and also not any worse than what anyone else did.

So, let's look at the red check... If Dana was mafia, the play is +EV, and if I consider you all to be dice throwing monkeys (which I did), then me claiming a red check is +EV unless there is a retribution kill against me which I didn't think was actually going to happen.

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