The Syndicate

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 5:49 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 4:14 pm
Dolby wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 4:10 pm yo

NAA is on Guillo with exactly 1 vote after Guillo did a certain thing

tbh I think that's greedy town lmao, and I'd discourage him from being on Guillo at Eod
I think Guillo is fake claiming to be honest, but it's not really worth the risk because he's a player who would 100% target me if he has a role, whereas everyone else is a bit more up in the air.
Do you TR Guillo here?

Yes, the very fact that I'm saying I want to prevent the shot indicates that I think he's town given that I can't prevent a scum shot.

Context matters

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 5:48 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 7:10 pm I need to continue voting Guillo unfortunately.
Do you usually vote people you don't think are Maf?

In a game where votes throw off vig shots, yes.

Oh wait, I put him in a poe d1 didn't I? That was like a week ago, mostly because I didn't want to be wrong on him

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 5:46 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 5:40 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 5:39 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 5:26 pm We should just play Mafia. Behavior trumps mechanics.
My top 3 picks are mac, falcon, Dolby. Do you town read any of these?
@Guillotine I ask you because you're voting with two of them, so I'm wondering if it's possible for us to consolidate our position
Are you TR Guillo now?

At no point in this game did I scum read Guillotine

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 5:39 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 5:26 pm We should just play Mafia. Behavior trumps mechanics.
My top 3 picks are mac, falcon, Dolby. Do you town read any of these?

@Guillotine I ask you because you're voting with two of them, so I'm wondering if it's possible for us to consolidate our position

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 5:26 pm We should just play Mafia. Behavior trumps mechanics.

My top 3 picks are mac, falcon, Dolby. Do you town read any of these?

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 5:09 pm
Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:58 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:43 pm Just finished reading that Akemi game and Gavial's play there is identical here.

Meta wins

[VOTE: Gavial] aubergine

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:45 pm Figuring out if Gavial was TWTBW or actual scum was tough work, holy shit.
No see this is where Mac went wrong.
He’s basing my entire meta off of that game instead of all my games or majority of them.

Please play optimal here, we kill a roleblocked player today (Jack or Nanook) or we just suffer like hell late game.
If we kill Nanook or Jack is not because they were roleblocked and there was no kill because hello! MacDougall is a heavy who used a self save and he could have been the kill that failed if Mac is town.

This. Everyone should look for angles to exploit the game's mechanics, but no one should be expecting a mechanical solve this game. There is too much role madness.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:46 pm Sabie choosing to jump onto Seanzie instead of staying on Gavial now makes sense if Gavial is scum.

There were 30 seconds left in the day, and she was about to die... So it's irrelevant, this doesn't take away from your other take on Gavial though.

Any event that results in a town dead is a misplay. People just tend to not count them if they were voted, or they blame the person who was voted out.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:29 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:24 pm If hero shots / shots that go against concensus are "game throwing", then hosts shouldn't put Vigs in the set up because people don't actually want other players to have that much influence over the game, and often people are pressured into doing what other people agreed on rather than playing the game themselves.

You do you, I just think that taking a vig shot against a tinfoil scumread that everyone else thinks is town is more often than not a bad play.

I'm probably being a little egregious in my categorization. It's probably not game-throwing if you think it's the right call. Personally, I think that factoring other players' inputs in is important too.

Yeah, but arguably any vigi shot that misses is a bad play, the difference is whether or not you screw someone's PoE (which can be wrong as well). Like, yes if you make a hero shot, and miss it's a bad play, if you don't make a hero shot and you're right, you lose the game because other players in the game don't accept your conclusion.

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:25 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:20 pm We can stop now
Yeah NAA and Lime Coke are never both mafia and are both very likely town.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:20 pm
Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:10 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:08 pm Game-throwing has to have some intentionality imo.

That said, someboday having a read you disagree with or scumreading you when you're town is not game-throwing. That's just how mafia be sometimes.
Let’s say I play a game with Jaland.
(You don’t know who that is but hang with me here.)
Let’s say I got 1-Shot Vigilante
And I think his hammer on mafia EoD1 and his cop claim to get mafia yeeted day 2 was fake (true story btw lol.)

Basically think Jaland is a deep wolf (which he was lol.)
If I shot Jaland while he’s in that position is that considered game throwing?

That's a hero shot, yeah. It's adjacent to game-throwing, but I agree with NAA, it only really counts as throwing if you're wrong.

I disagree with this strategy in general though. Not because I'm the one who red-checked sabie, but because doing such actively ignores thread evidence that would suggest that the person is more likely to be town, in favor of conspiracy-theorizing/tinfoiling.

There are cases where it's probably fine to shoot said player:

- If there is a consensus among the other players that they might be scum regardless of their claim
- If the gamestate is awful and we're continuing to chop town after town
- probably some other obscure situations

Sure I could be mafia, but I've provided a claim that supports that I might be town, and I would assert that more often than not, truthful hard-claims come from town (there's more town players, and it's always easier to tell the truth)

If hero shots / shots that go against concensus are "game throwing", then hosts shouldn't put Vigs in the set up because people don't actually want other players to have that much influence over the game, and often people are pressured into doing what other people agreed on rather than playing the game themselves.

We can stop now

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:19 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:18 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:16 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:13 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:10 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:06 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:57 pm

You've thrown in several other games as well. I'm not the only one saying this. Quit being delusional.
Also, I didn't scum read you actually, I just wanted you to exit your scum range because you're one dimensional
I literally just won a game as scum? How is that one dimensional?
Yeah, people probably tiptoed around your blow up as town routine.
There's literally other several ways to read me and get my alignment, it's not really that hard.
I mean, that's kind of my point.
That's not at all your point.

You're right, when I said you're one dimensional, I meant complexe and difficult to read with tons of nuance and no real way to read.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:16 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:13 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:10 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:06 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:57 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:55 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:28 pm NAA might have gamethrown in the past, but that's not really relevant if someone else is gamethrowing now, just because NAA is the one bringing it up.
I mean, there's not much point in engaging LimeCoke seriously on this topic, the game he's referring to (philosophy) I only voted mafia at EOD. And only pushed mafia at EOD. I mean, you know because you were in that game and my Poe was almost entirely correct. Lime coke is just trolling himself over that game where I couldn't hit a vigi shot. Being wrong is game throwing.
You've thrown in several other games as well. I'm not the only one saying this. Quit being delusional.
Also, I didn't scum read you actually, I just wanted you to exit your scum range because you're one dimensional
I literally just won a game as scum? How is that one dimensional?
Yeah, people probably tiptoed around your blow up as town routine.
There's literally other several ways to read me and get my alignment, it's not really that hard.

I mean, that's kind of my point.

But yeah, @Lime Coke when you're able to get over a couple of missed vig shots, and realise that the world itself isn't ending, maybe we'll have a real conversation... Someday.

Even a broken clock is right sometimes

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:10 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:06 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:57 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:55 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:28 pm NAA might have gamethrown in the past, but that's not really relevant if someone else is gamethrowing now, just because NAA is the one bringing it up.
I mean, there's not much point in engaging LimeCoke seriously on this topic, the game he's referring to (philosophy) I only voted mafia at EOD. And only pushed mafia at EOD. I mean, you know because you were in that game and my Poe was almost entirely correct. Lime coke is just trolling himself over that game where I couldn't hit a vigi shot. Being wrong is game throwing.
You've thrown in several other games as well. I'm not the only one saying this. Quit being delusional.
Also, I didn't scum read you actually, I just wanted you to exit your scum range because you're one dimensional
I literally just won a game as scum? How is that one dimensional?

Yeah, people probably tiptoed around your blow up as town routine.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:08 pm Game-throwing has to have some intentionality imo.

That said, someboday having a read you disagree with or scumreading you when you're town is not game-throwing. That's just how mafia be sometimes.

This isn't universally accepted

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:57 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:55 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:28 pm NAA might have gamethrown in the past, but that's not really relevant if someone else is gamethrowing now, just because NAA is the one bringing it up.
I mean, there's not much point in engaging LimeCoke seriously on this topic, the game he's referring to (philosophy) I only voted mafia at EOD. And only pushed mafia at EOD. I mean, you know because you were in that game and my Poe was almost entirely correct. Lime coke is just trolling himself over that game where I couldn't hit a vigi shot. Being wrong is game throwing.
You've thrown in several other games as well. I'm not the only one saying this. Quit being delusional.

Also, I didn't scum read you actually, I just wanted you to exit your scum range because you're one dimensional

It's hard to say how many

Though, I suppose being wrong is game throwing, just not intentionally. Many players are currently game throwing.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:58 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:55 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:28 pm NAA might have gamethrown in the past, but that's not really relevant if someone else is gamethrowing now, just because NAA is the one bringing it up.
I mean, there's not much point in engaging LimeCoke seriously on this topic, the game he's referring to (philosophy) I only voted mafia at EOD. And only pushed mafia at EOD. I mean, you know because you were in that game and my Poe was almost entirely correct. Lime coke is just trolling himself over that game where I couldn't hit a vigi shot. Being wrong is game throwing.

I'm specifically talking about the other two games where you quick-hammered in LYLO :P

But I can't really interact with LC's argument, because it's based solely on LC's alignment, of which only the mafia team knows, and even then, he's calling you town.

I'm engaging with him, because I'd rather have something I can actually converse about, not shrug my shoulders at.

Quick hammering in LyLo isn't game throwing, it's just bad play if you're wrong.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:57 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:55 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:28 pm NAA might have gamethrown in the past, but that's not really relevant if someone else is gamethrowing now, just because NAA is the one bringing it up.
I mean, there's not much point in engaging LimeCoke seriously on this topic, the game he's referring to (philosophy) I only voted mafia at EOD. And only pushed mafia at EOD. I mean, you know because you were in that game and my Poe was almost entirely correct. Lime coke is just trolling himself over that game where I couldn't hit a vigi shot. Being wrong is game throwing.
You've thrown in several other games as well. I'm not the only one saying this. Quit being delusional.

You're not, but you're also claiming I game threw in a game where I only voted scum and you're calling me delusional

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:28 pm NAA might have gamethrown in the past, but that's not really relevant if someone else is gamethrowing now, just because NAA is the one bringing it up.

I mean, there's not much point in engaging LimeCoke seriously on this topic, the game he's referring to (philosophy) I only voted mafia at EOD. And only pushed mafia at EOD. I mean, you know because you were in that game and my Poe was almost entirely correct. Lime coke is just trolling himself over that game where I couldn't hit a vigi shot. Being wrong is game throwing.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 2:18 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 2:15 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 2:15 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 2:13 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 2:07 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:53 pm
Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:52 pm Dolby and Lime Coke are pretty damn Townie and they both claim roleblocker @NotAnAxehole
Ok, so one is town
Ok wait, so it is guaranteed that if there are two same copies of a role, one is town and one is scum?

It cant be both town or both scum?
Honestly, I'm pretty surprised that you think this because with 18 players it's pretty much impossible for all of the roles to be split 50/50 between town and scum, what got you thinking that 2 of the same role can't both be town?
Im actually asking because i dont have that clear
Who knows, I didn't read the OP.
I read it once and i forgot it all gradually over the course of the game but i must admit i didnt understand many things and didnt ask here cause i didnt want to look dumb lol.

I didn't read, asked for a TL;DR on my role PM and got an explanation longer than my role PM. I assumed I was being trolled and just figured I'd play as though this is mountainous.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 2:14 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 2:10 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 2:03 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:38 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:21 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 11:46 am
Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:56 am

@falcon45ca
Who did you medic last night?
Marmot
Why would you claim this and let scum know that they can kill Marmot tonight?

A real medic never claims their targets unless they are at risk of getting chopped.

The fuck is this game?

Why do you assume I'm telling the truth?
I dont, i dont think you are the medic. The medics just shut their mouths until they are at risk.
So what's with all the drama?
The drama is why are you fucking lying?

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 2:15 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 2:13 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 2:07 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:53 pm
Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:52 pm Dolby and Lime Coke are pretty damn Townie and they both claim roleblocker @NotAnAxehole
Ok, so one is town
Ok wait, so it is guaranteed that if there are two same copies of a role, one is town and one is scum?

It cant be both town or both scum?
Honestly, I'm pretty surprised that you think this because with 18 players it's pretty much impossible for all of the roles to be split 50/50 between town and scum, what got you thinking that 2 of the same role can't both be town?
Im actually asking because i dont have that clear

Who knows, I didn't read the OP.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 2:07 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:53 pm
Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:52 pm Dolby and Lime Coke are pretty damn Townie and they both claim roleblocker @NotAnAxehole
Ok, so one is town
Ok wait, so it is guaranteed that if there are two same copies of a role, one is town and one is scum?

It cant be both town or both scum?

Honestly, I'm pretty surprised that you think this because with 18 players it's pretty much impossible for all of the roles to be split 50/50 between town and scum, what got you thinking that 2 of the same role can't both be town?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:55 pm
Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:52 pm Dolby and Lime Coke are pretty damn Townie and they both claim roleblocker @NotAnAxehole
Wait, what? We've got 2 claimed RBers?

And you think they're both town?

There are two of every role

Agreed

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:52 pm Dolby and Lime Coke are pretty damn Townie and they both claim roleblocker @NotAnAxehole

Ok, so one is town

But Marmot is definitely town, there's no reason to bus that hard, and I don't see Marmot pulling that move.

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:49 pm Like what’s really odd to me is why wasn’t Sabie roleblocked and why would mafia let Sabie attack when they can easily be roleblocked?
Marmot bussing keeps making more and more sense which scares me and if Marmot is wolf, he just slanks until late game.

What's odd to me is that I was roleblocked, I literally never agree to carry KP

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:45 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:34 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:32 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:27 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:13 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:06 pm
Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:04 pm

Hmm honestly that’s a good point.
Like why would Sabie do the kill?
It makes more sense Sabie does the kill if Marmot is Mafia Watcher going for a Buss, but you know whatever.
It is not a good point. Nanook would allow Sabie do the night kill because she was outted wolf already, better her than risking another teammate getting caught killing Dizzy.
There are like 8 roleblocks this game lol, you can't have someone like sabie carry the kill n1

Frankly it's amazing that any team let her carry
The only caveat is if you had a team that dismissed you - which is possible given your general easygoing-limited activity nature. Otherwise you're town.
Sure, but the people that applies to is pretty limited i think
So, I have to assume that based on my last game with Sabie, she would side with the 2 over the 1... I don't think it's as limiting as that given there are some hard heads in this game, buuut I think this is a situation where what you think matters more than what I think.
Eh, i tend to think sabs would side with me, but im not sure how much this matters anyways

It only becomes relevant if you come under fire. I tend to agree with your strategy of sheeping Marmot, but assuming Marmot either doesn't show up or is too boring to merit a sheep, what do you think of Lime Coke this game? Dolby? Mac? Falcon?

Also, why are people even talking about D1 as though it was a major CFD, Sabie never held a majority vote on D1. She peaked at 7/18 votes.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:32 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:25 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:02 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:43 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:36 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:29 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:27 pm

I mean, i will give you this, if you are a wolf here i will take the game throwing comment back be ause as a wolf you are playing to your win condition, but If you game throw in games where i play you cant expect not to be xalled game thrower and i dont think you'd change your ways so i would stop calling you that, no no no, you enjoy this. This game and all other games you play as town is always about you isnt?
Literally no one is talking about me except for you, this reality you live in only exists in your head.
Well it is my duty as town to make myself heard about you. It only takes a voice to ignite the flame, does it not?
Ah, so when you say it's all about me, you're projecting, this has been a good look into the psychology of one Guillotiny
Im not projecting anything. Ive seen players like you before whose only joy is to troll people's games to get attention. Because it does not matter to you if other players talk bad about your play as long as they talk about you.

Do you know why i just think you are town?

Because you had no voice whatsoever during day 1 and you came out of nowhere to push on Seanzie. As town i wouldn't let you lead me to chop Seanzie so those who did had yo have had an agenda to save Sabie. Despite that i think you are a troll, i dont think you are stupid, so i dont think you would out yourself to save Sabie who was outted wolf on day 1 already. Why would you trade two scum (sabie and yourself) to try to save her? It is dumb and I dont think town is dumb enough to follow your lead there, so i think scum saw your CFD and took advantage of it with the premise that when Sabie flipped scum, you'd be the first to look bad from it. That is why i wanna chop those who jumped onto Seanzie during that CFD.
You're now projecting your dislike for me onto other players, also you're failing to consider players who are likely to CFD on anything. None of the votes that followed mine stood out as being weird or out of character.
I disagree. No competent townie would follow your lead there, you are their scapegoat.

Almost every game I've ever played people sheep me. Your judgement is just clouded, which will make it impossible for you to form reads.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:32 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:27 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:13 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:06 pm
Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:04 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 7:46 am Anyways I should be hard cleared from being a sabie teammate tbh, I dont think I'd ever save a teammate then immediately turn around and have them do the n1 kill, especially in a game with so many potential blocks
Hmm honestly that’s a good point.
Like why would Sabie do the kill?
It makes more sense Sabie does the kill if Marmot is Mafia Watcher going for a Buss, but you know whatever.
It is not a good point. Nanook would allow Sabie do the night kill because she was outted wolf already, better her than risking another teammate getting caught killing Dizzy.
There are like 8 roleblocks this game lol, you can't have someone like sabie carry the kill n1

Frankly it's amazing that any team let her carry
The only caveat is if you had a team that dismissed you - which is possible given your general easygoing-limited activity nature. Otherwise you're town.
Sure, but the people that applies to is pretty limited i think

So, I have to assume that based on my last game with Sabie, she would side with the 2 over the 1... I don't think it's as limiting as that given there are some hard heads in this game, buuut I think this is a situation where what you think matters more than what I think.

I've concluded that Nanook and Mac are definitely not mafia together

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:13 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:06 pm
Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:04 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 7:46 am Anyways I should be hard cleared from being a sabie teammate tbh, I dont think I'd ever save a teammate then immediately turn around and have them do the n1 kill, especially in a game with so many potential blocks
Hmm honestly that’s a good point.
Like why would Sabie do the kill?
It makes more sense Sabie does the kill if Marmot is Mafia Watcher going for a Buss, but you know whatever.
It is not a good point. Nanook would allow Sabie do the night kill because she was outted wolf already, better her than risking another teammate getting caught killing Dizzy.
There are like 8 roleblocks this game lol, you can't have someone like sabie carry the kill n1

Frankly it's amazing that any team let her carry

The only caveat is if you had a team that dismissed you - which is possible given your general easygoing-limited activity nature. Otherwise you're town.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:13 pm
Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:11 pm I kinda want Jack to go over Nanook here.
Jack gives me Paranoia and has a wolf roll streak.
That is OGI. It's an illegal read.

I have better reasons to chop Jack but his wolf streak is never one of them, that is dirty.

It's not.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:02 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:43 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:36 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:29 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:27 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:13 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:11 pm

Why cant i just be a vig this game, to kill you and enjoy being responsible of your demise?

You are trolling again and i actually thought you were trying to play.

Dont engage with me.
Every other post you make calls me a game thrower, and you thought I was going to engage you in a serious conversation?
I mean, i will give you this, if you are a wolf here i will take the game throwing comment back be ause as a wolf you are playing to your win condition, but If you game throw in games where i play you cant expect not to be xalled game thrower and i dont think you'd change your ways so i would stop calling you that, no no no, you enjoy this. This game and all other games you play as town is always about you isnt?
Literally no one is talking about me except for you, this reality you live in only exists in your head.
Well it is my duty as town to make myself heard about you. It only takes a voice to ignite the flame, does it not?
Ah, so when you say it's all about me, you're projecting, this has been a good look into the psychology of one Guillotiny
Im not projecting anything. Ive seen players like you before whose only joy is to troll people's games to get attention. Because it does not matter to you if other players talk bad about your play as long as they talk about you.

Do you know why i just think you are town?

Because you had no voice whatsoever during day 1 and you came out of nowhere to push on Seanzie. As town i wouldn't let you lead me to chop Seanzie so those who did had yo have had an agenda to save Sabie. Despite that i think you are a troll, i dont think you are stupid, so i dont think you would out yourself to save Sabie who was outted wolf on day 1 already. Why would you trade two scum (sabie and yourself) to try to save her? It is dumb and I dont think town is dumb enough to follow your lead there, so i think scum saw your CFD and took advantage of it with the premise that when Sabie flipped scum, you'd be the first to look bad from it. That is why i wanna chop those who jumped onto Seanzie during that CFD.

You're now projecting your dislike for me onto other players, also you're failing to consider players who are likely to CFD on anything. None of the votes that followed mine stood out as being weird or out of character.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:36 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:29 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:27 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:13 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:11 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:09 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:07 pm
Because bussing exists and Gavial is playing anti-town. Because i townread Mac and he does not qualify as saving Sabie like you guys do.
Mac had their vote on Seanzie way before the CFD.
Man, if you're town imma be pissed at this deliberate game throwing.
Why cant i just be a vig this game, to kill you and enjoy being responsible of your demise?

You are trolling again and i actually thought you were trying to play.

Dont engage with me.
Every other post you make calls me a game thrower, and you thought I was going to engage you in a serious conversation?
I mean, i will give you this, if you are a wolf here i will take the game throwing comment back be ause as a wolf you are playing to your win condition, but If you game throw in games where i play you cant expect not to be xalled game thrower and i dont think you'd change your ways so i would stop calling you that, no no no, you enjoy this. This game and all other games you play as town is always about you isnt?
Literally no one is talking about me except for you, this reality you live in only exists in your head.
Well it is my duty as town to make myself heard about you. It only takes a voice to ignite the flame, does it not?

Ah, so when you say it's all about me, you're projecting, this has been a good look into the psychology of one Guillotiny

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:27 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:13 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:11 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:09 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:07 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:02 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:01 pm

Sig would be dead already if i had the power.

What do you care about the importance i place on Dizzy's legacy?

I care more about the scummies who saved Sabie on day 1 than Dizzy's legacy right now tbh.

There has to be scum on that wagon, if the wagon is pure i'd be extremely disappointed.
That why you're voting someone who landed on Sabie, with someone who voted on Seanzie?
Because bussing exists and Gavial is playing anti-town. Because i townread Mac and he does not qualify as saving Sabie like you guys do.
Mac had their vote on Seanzie way before the CFD.
Man, if you're town imma be pissed at this deliberate game throwing.
Why cant i just be a vig this game, to kill you and enjoy being responsible of your demise?

You are trolling again and i actually thought you were trying to play.

Dont engage with me.
Every other post you make calls me a game thrower, and you thought I was going to engage you in a serious conversation?
I mean, i will give you this, if you are a wolf here i will take the game throwing comment back be ause as a wolf you are playing to your win condition, but If you game throw in games where i play you cant expect not to be xalled game thrower and i dont think you'd change your ways so i would stop calling you that, no no no, you enjoy this. This game and all other games you play as town is always about you isnt?

Literally no one is talking about me except for you, this reality you live in only exists in your head.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:25 pm
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Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 11:55 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 11:54 am
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 11:52 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 11:46 am
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 11:45 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 11:41 am

I can't speak for him, but I doubt he was ever planning on replying to this. So not really fighting his fight.
You are… speaking for him… that is the whole point.
I am guessing what he's thinking, some might argue that's the point of the game.
No, yoy are white knighting him.
Am I?
Yes, you are white knighting or pocketing Martin.

What is White knighting?

Hard defending another player.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:18 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:52 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:33 am
Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:32 am I’m just letting you know that me being alive and not voted on ensures marmot dies to avoid paranoia and likely Buss.

Of course wolves can just Roleblock me but at that time it may come to the point they would be wolf in that situation.
Holy fuck dude.

No, you're not killing Marmot. That's literally a waste of a shot.
Dude he's mafia... this is what he does as mafia. He's playing identically to the very last game. Don't be fooled by his postcount. He's just hard-core pro wolf and talking absolute nonsense.
See, he seems to have the same playstyle I used to have, and still kinda do, as town which is weird tin foil theories. I'm not seeing anything that bad in terms of alignment, just maybe wrong in terms of gameplay.

I also think Gavial is town.

unjust even

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:16 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:13 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:11 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:09 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:07 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:02 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:01 pm

Sig would be dead already if i had the power.

What do you care about the importance i place on Dizzy's legacy?

I care more about the scummies who saved Sabie on day 1 than Dizzy's legacy right now tbh.

There has to be scum on that wagon, if the wagon is pure i'd be extremely disappointed.
That why you're voting someone who landed on Sabie, with someone who voted on Seanzie?
Because bussing exists and Gavial is playing anti-town. Because i townread Mac and he does not qualify as saving Sabie like you guys do.
Mac had their vote on Seanzie way before the CFD.
Man, if you're town imma be pissed at this deliberate game throwing.
Why cant i just be a vig this game, to kill you and enjoy being responsible of your demise?

You are trolling again and i actually thought you were trying to play.

Dont engage with me.
Every other post you make calls me a game thrower, and you thought I was going to engage you in a serious conversation?

Anyhow, I am playing for real, just this conversation was to deliberately lead you wherever I felt like. That's the game of mafia, I can do that and it just makes me more of an enigma from your perspective while not actually adding any complexity to my own game.
Lol

You are no enigma my friend. I ban players like you from my games, that is my definition of your play in games ive seen you play and i know im not alone in that thinking.

I know you get upset when I make fun of your for insulting me. It's such a very injust thing for me to do.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:14 pm [VOTE: NotAnAxehole] aubergine

Saved Sabie, white knights Martin and when confronted just trolls to avoid having to explain his scummy actions.

This guy is not TWTBW, he is just a wolf.

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