The Syndicate

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 2:11 pm but also i feel like Pao, Michelle, and MM are all town
Pao because of the claim shenanigans: I don't think she fakes the same check as Scotty and the same role as Scotty in such a bad lack of coordination and then the next day also says she checked falcon (???)
Michelle because Insane Cop is a town role, she's been villagery, and she didn't really have a reason as mafia to clear me.
MM seems real the way they talked about thinking they're sane because of limited checks and they gave us scotty

Yeah, Ruri is just outed mafia.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 2:11 pm Hey NAA, if you want to win you should help me out Paopan since Mafia Lie Detector is problematic for your claim.

Odds of Paopan checking me correctly = low.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:59 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:21 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:18 pm Also, I'm not dying today, so a push today doesn't help my wincon.

doesn't a jester win if yeeted?

What I would like to know is: does everyone else lose if a jester is yeeted?

Yes

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:21 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:18 pm Also, I'm not dying today, so a push today doesn't help my wincon.

doesn't a jester win if yeeted?

Yes, but I'm not getting yeeted today.

Also, I'm not dying today, so a push today doesn't help my wincon.

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:17 pm why are you so mad about Michelle pushing you if you're 3rd party Jester?

I need to leave reasonable doubt.

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:17 pmlol

Well, I need to leave reasonable doubt.

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:15 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:15 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:15 pm NAA, have you claimed?

Yes

what are you?

3rd Party Jester, unless you want to claim SK, then I will rescind.

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:15 pm NAA, have you claimed?

Yes

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:14 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:12 pm I have heard that for reading me, it's easiest to ignore everything I post and read me on spew because players usually are very opinionated about me, which they don't think to fake as mafia, or don't know how to fake as mafia.

i like how this conveniently comes after i say that i have you as town from spew lol

I like to reinforce the important conclusions that other people come to.

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:12 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:10 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:09 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:04 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Nov 11, 2021 1:26 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Thu Nov 11, 2021 1:25 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Nov 11, 2021 1:24 pm Wait, does plurality mean hammer is in place?

No that’s Majority. Plurality is who has the most votes at the end of the day phase. Both are in effect.

Mod replying unprompted in the thread for the win. I have a strong tone read on Scotty.

after Gav says this, NAA starts acting like Gav somehow modconfirmed/OGI'd Scotty as town

idk it didn't feel partnery to me

I respect your opinion but I keep mine.

If he plays in a way as town why don't replicate it when he rands scum?

I'm an easy read, you just don't got it.

is she a wolf or is she bad at reading you?

I don't know, my gut says she's town, but the push is like... Really really really getting excessive for a townie to ignore everything that's going on around them.

I have heard that for reading me, it's easiest to ignore everything I post and read me on spew because players usually are very opinionated about me, which they don't think to fake as mafia, or don't know how to fake as mafia.

But yeah, I feel like the entire town has the correct read on me of not-mafia except for 1 person... This means I'm an easy read.

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:09 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:04 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Nov 11, 2021 1:26 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Thu Nov 11, 2021 1:25 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Nov 11, 2021 1:24 pm Wait, does plurality mean hammer is in place?

No that’s Majority. Plurality is who has the most votes at the end of the day phase. Both are in effect.

Mod replying unprompted in the thread for the win. I have a strong tone read on Scotty.

after Gav says this, NAA starts acting like Gav somehow modconfirmed/OGI'd Scotty as town

idk it didn't feel partnery to me

I respect your opinion but I keep mine.

If he plays in a way as town why don't replicate it when he rands scum?

I'm an easy read, you just don't got it.

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:06 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:02 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:01 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:58 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:53 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:31 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:02 pm naas counterpush on michelle looks weak and fabricated
i still stand by the fact that hes likely some kind of 3p

My issue is that I've been town reading Michelle, it's just her stubborn push on me is really annoying, and my order of yeeting cop / investigative roles is Ruri - Michelle - Paopan - You... So I'm like, at a base I have a town read on Michelle. Michelle hasn't had any good reads this game and insists on this ridiculous push on me, and fails to really build much of a world view outside of that. I question Michelle's role in the context of the game.

So after all of that I go, I don't have enough of a scum read to thunder-dome Michelle, which is what she wants... But at the same time, I probably have to drop my town read.

Tell me how any of this is unreasonable, please.

Coloured text is a lie, you were the one talking about thunderdome.
I just want your flip, I consider you are mafia based on your support for/from Scotty and early day 1 interactions.
You want me dead since the previous DP, how come you TR me?
That's another lie.

@everyone this is a wolf

You wanted me dead before Scotty checks, it's not something that came up after.

Probably we have different image about what a thunderdome is, i don't take a mafia read as a thunderdome

No one this game shares your read except for probable mafia Ruri.

I don't prefflip players.
I don't know Ruri's alignament
She may be mafia and you just bus each other, but I need the flip to be sure.
Only mafia is sure about alignaments btw

My bad, I thought you were a cop

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:05 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:03 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:58 pm Michelle, I feel like the way Scotty treated NAA with his claim would be weird if they were W/W
like, Scotty claiming that the VT claim was a lie, then NAA saying that was true but that his role would show up as VT, then Scotty saying that he thinks the information he received was a lie, etc

idk, i think he could be some kind of 3P but i don't really see the W/W stuff

His focus on me since I started to suspect him is really odd.
I think wolves have different means to play /distance /fake, not only the ones you know /use

i suppose
i just know i heard a lot of things about NAA that make me think some of the reasons you suspect them are very much just playstyle

Big reputation, big reputation
Ooh you and me we got big reputations, ah
And you heard about me, ooh
I got some big enemies

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:03 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:58 pm Michelle, I feel like the way Scotty treated NAA with his claim would be weird if they were W/W
like, Scotty claiming that the VT claim was a lie, then NAA saying that was true but that his role would show up as VT, then Scotty saying that he thinks the information he received was a lie, etc

idk, i think he could be some kind of 3P but i don't really see the W/W stuff

His focus on me since I started to suspect him is really odd.
I think wolves have different means to play /distance /fake, not only the ones you know /use

I've been focused on the game and I've offered my thoughts on the optimal path forward / who I think is the mafia, the only time I'm focused on you is replying to these bad reads.

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:04 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Nov 11, 2021 1:26 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Thu Nov 11, 2021 1:25 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Nov 11, 2021 1:24 pm Wait, does plurality mean hammer is in place?

No that’s Majority. Plurality is who has the most votes at the end of the day phase. Both are in effect.

Mod replying unprompted in the thread for the win. I have a strong tone read on Scotty.

after Gav says this, NAA starts acting like Gav somehow modconfirmed/OGI'd Scotty as town

idk it didn't feel partnery to me

You will actually find this as a trend in my games, if I see a mod respond to a player directly in thread, I always angleshoot them town.

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:01 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:58 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:53 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:31 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:02 pm naas counterpush on michelle looks weak and fabricated
i still stand by the fact that hes likely some kind of 3p

My issue is that I've been town reading Michelle, it's just her stubborn push on me is really annoying, and my order of yeeting cop / investigative roles is Ruri - Michelle - Paopan - You... So I'm like, at a base I have a town read on Michelle. Michelle hasn't had any good reads this game and insists on this ridiculous push on me, and fails to really build much of a world view outside of that. I question Michelle's role in the context of the game.

So after all of that I go, I don't have enough of a scum read to thunder-dome Michelle, which is what she wants... But at the same time, I probably have to drop my town read.

Tell me how any of this is unreasonable, please.

Coloured text is a lie, you were the one talking about thunderdome.
I just want your flip, I consider you are mafia based on your support for/from Scotty and early day 1 interactions.
You want me dead since the previous DP, how come you TR me?
That's another lie.

@everyone this is a wolf

You wanted me dead before Scotty checks, it's not something that came up after.

Probably we have different image about what a thunderdome is, i don't take a mafia read as a thunderdome

No one this game shares your read except for probable mafia Ruri.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:59 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:58 pm Michelle, I feel like the way Scotty treated NAA with his claim would be weird if they were W/W
like, Scotty claiming that the VT claim was a lie, then NAA saying that was true but that his role would show up as VT, then Scotty saying that he thinks the information he received was a lie, etc

idk, i think he could be some kind of 3P but i don't really see the W/W stuff

I don't get the sense that Michelle cares about my alignment.

If she did, she would just check me rather than pushing against the town consensus for days on end.

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:58 pm Michelle, I feel like the way Scotty treated NAA with his claim would be weird if they were W/W
like, Scotty claiming that the VT claim was a lie, then NAA saying that was true but that his role would show up as VT, then Scotty saying that he thinks the information he received was a lie, etc

idk, i think he could be some kind of 3P but i don't really see the W/W stuff

I don't get the sense that Michelle cares about my alignment.

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:53 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:31 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:02 pm naas counterpush on michelle looks weak and fabricated
i still stand by the fact that hes likely some kind of 3p

My issue is that I've been town reading Michelle, it's just her stubborn push on me is really annoying, and my order of yeeting cop / investigative roles is Ruri - Michelle - Paopan - You... So I'm like, at a base I have a town read on Michelle. Michelle hasn't had any good reads this game and insists on this ridiculous push on me, and fails to really build much of a world view outside of that. I question Michelle's role in the context of the game.

So after all of that I go, I don't have enough of a scum read to thunder-dome Michelle, which is what she wants... But at the same time, I probably have to drop my town read.

Tell me how any of this is unreasonable, please.

Coloured text is a lie, you were the one talking about thunderdome.
I just want your flip, I consider you are mafia based on your support for/from Scotty and early day 1 interactions.
You want me dead since the previous DP, how come you TR me?
That's another lie.

@everyone this is a wolf

You wanted me dead before Scotty checks, it's not something that came up after.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:50 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:40 pm Also, @Marmot I don't like TWTBW reads because for me, I don't actually believe that I've done anything even remotely wolfy... Yeah, crazy anti-town at times, but no one is more anti-town than the town. I think TWTBW reads occur when people have a warped sense of what is alignment indicative.

I think that's the point of TWTBW, the actions of someone look so anti-town, that they probably are just a town player shooting themselves in the foot, which like you kinda say, happens all the time.

Also

Paopan choosing to lie-detect you claiming vanilla (when Gavial claimed there are no vanilla roles) and lie-detecting a dead player (falcon) do not strike me as coming from a mafiachat.


I didn't call you TWTBW though, why are you talking about you here?

Is there ever a bad opportunity to talk about myself?

Also, @Marmot I don't like TWTBW reads because for me, I don't actually believe that I've done anything even remotely wolfy... Yeah, crazy anti-town at times, but no one is more anti-town than the town. I think TWTBW reads occur when people have a warped sense of what is alignment indicative.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:36 pm

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 11:59 am im all for suspecting NAA, hes been borderline openwolfing the entire game, which is why i stated he was a jester claim

Did he claim he was jester first, or did you claim he was first?

I think I adopted it, but I actually don't remember the sequence of events. Besides, regardless if I'm Jester or not, the goal is for people to not really believe that I'm the Jester.

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 11:48 am I agree with voting Paopan or Ruri

This is new though, but again doesn't exactly align with her going ham on me when Ruri is her main supporter in this endeavor. I guess you can argue that Ruri is encouraging Michelle because as my partner, Ruri knows that I'm not dying / have no chance of going over, but that's more of a me play. I don't see Ruri making plays like that in any of their games, they seem more like a vote town when you're mafia, vote scum reads when you're town type of player.

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:02 pm naas counterpush on michelle looks weak and fabricated
i still stand by the fact that hes likely some kind of 3p

My issue is that I've been town reading Michelle, it's just her stubborn push on me is really annoying, and my order of yeeting cop / investigative roles is Ruri - Michelle - Paopan - You... So I'm like, at a base I have a town read on Michelle. Michelle hasn't had any good reads this game and insists on this ridiculous push on me, and fails to really build much of a world view outside of that. I question Michelle's role in the context of the game.

So after all of that I go, I don't have enough of a scum read to thunder-dome Michelle, which is what she wants... But at the same time, I probably have to drop my town read.

Tell me how any of this is unreasonable, please.

Ruri wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 7:41 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 7:37 am Also cop claims were in day 2 iirc

Oh, probably misremembered. Forgot N1? I remember cop claims making me not do anything.

Misremembered fake claim feels bad

Ruri wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 7:25 am I also voted NAA for jester claim. Seems fake.

Scotty legitimately believed the claim

I think this game is going to be hard for town if Michelle is in fact of that alignment

Such fixation.

You've yet to make a correct read this game Michelle, it's impressive how dedicated you are to this bad push.

Paopan wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 6:20 am Despite my failures. I want to blame the interface cos I can't see who died and who is still alive, yet I want to say that there are some ignorance on my part.

Blame host

Setup
There will be at least 1 Sane Town Cop. - Claimed
There will be at least 1 Insane Town Cop. - Claimed
There will be no Day Vigilante. - Accurate
There will be at least 1 Lie Detector. - Claimed
There will be at least 1 Role that’s pointless. - Probable (Mac)
There will be at least 1 Mafia. - Accurate
There will be at least 1 Third Party. - Accurate
There will be no Post Restriction roles. - Possible (Sig?)
There will be at least 1 Loyal role. - Accurate
There will be no Vanilla roles because they suck. - Probable (Sig?)
There will be only two roles without a modifier. - Unknown
There will be no redirection roles of any kind. - Claimed
There will be at least 8 Town roles. - Accurate
There will be at least 1 role with a day ability. - Accurate
There will only be one of the above that’s a lie.

Listen, if I'm not the Jester, Marmot is 3rd Party.

Also notes from today: Marmot feels like fake-solving

@Michelle if you haven't changed your mind by tomorrow, I promise to give you a proper thunder-dome. For now I'm assuming you're still just voting me because you don't like me / don't like how I've played this game, I'll have to progress that into a proper scum read (it's been steadily gaining steam in my thoughts) if you don't get something else going here today.

Also, a thunder-dome with you probably increases my chances of winning quite a bit. Let's go (tomorrow).

Deal?

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 2:00 am Paopon is like... TWTBW

I don't know if this is true, but I do think they're town.

Michelle re-read hasn't expanded their world view, hmm.

Marmot is right on most people claiming their real roles. I've been saying this for a while, if all of the investigative roles were town, this game would likely already be curtains. They are not.

@LinearPoint if I didn't make you think my claim was BS, I would stand no chance of winning, now would I?

I would also bet on SoA being town for now.

Man... That self vote

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:25 am what were the wagons? i still struggle with this site

Yeah, this site doesn't have a way to check historical voting, which is rough.

Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:20 am

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:18 am but seriously what do people think of paopon checking falcon and getting a green result last night when he was already dead town

I think that's hilarious no matter what his alignment is. Didn't he have the same report Scotty said he had? Or they checked the same person, right? Maybe Scotty stole Paopan's claim and Paopan claimed anyways without thinkin'.

Yeah paopan claiming the same stupid thing that Scotty did was really weird. It's really hard to tell if he's dumbtelling really hard, or just new and is struggling with communication & interface.

I think the latter is more likely.

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:18 am but seriously what do people think of paopon checking falcon and getting a green result last night when he was already dead town

I think he needs better friends, because if I was the mod I would never allow my friend to accidentally do that in their first game on site.

MafiaMenace wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:13 am d1 wagons show that soa is town

Right, because Scotty?

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:11 am NotAnAxehole: nothing mechanically clearing them, though i do gut TR this slot and they weirdly have a similar mindset to me despite being a troll
Ruri: claims ... cop giver? seems sketch
MafiaMenace: cop claim so should be "clear" but i had a weird dream and am slightly sketched by this slot. should be clear tho as sane cop.
Jackofhearts2005: random doctor claim
LinearPoint: very towny on play
Michelle: insane cop and TR, top town
Marmot: nada going for them
Paopan: lie detector who literally is so noob they apparently checked someone's claim from d1 who was already confirmed town?????
sig: idk
Son of Anarch: oracle, kind of sketch

SoA is basically near-confirmed Oracle though yeah, the only question is whether they are mafia.

There are only 11 players left. Yesterday would have been a good night to check because we knew who the night targets would be (wilgy and mac) - wilgy being night immune and dying anyway is hilarious but yeah, perfect night for investigatives, no chance of your target dying in the night.

Anyway, there are no shortage of good checks in this game can all of the investigative roles please check people tonight?

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:05 am also wdym "no one is necessary for me to check" ur literally a cop u just check whoever lmao