The Syndicate

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:17 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:14 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:11 am
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:09 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:07 am
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:06 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:04 am

Are you really just gonna go back to tunneling for no reason like this?
Can I see a defense against the points people are making against you? I know you've only been here a short time but you still found time to tinfoil like four separate people, it's the least you could do
No
Yeah you're full of shit. [VOTE: Esooa] aubergine Even my previous point for you can be rescinded given nutella's interaction, and you have not given me one indication you are town. nutella's still scummier but I would not mind going after this.
Your previous points are about Sloonei, lmfao

90% of the rest are "PoE cause they subbed in "

The only existing not-that reasons are Alexa going off because I didn't agree with her, and SPF saying that I am slightly tonally off in whatever way, I forgot

Extremely cringe
You're also mafia because you're voting someone who hammered scum... I don't know that I've ever seen you make that leap in logic. THOUGH... Me hammering my partner at EoD there would certainly play into this narrative that people are trying to shoehorn in that I'm a gAmEtHroWeR.

Ilario's read on me is actually super towny though, and amusing.
You didn't hammer scum, you only voted after Jay was already basically dead and you posted no suspicion of Jay beforehand. Why?

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:13 am
cassandra wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:02 am ok im pretty sure esooa and nutella are just outing
this whole outing thing is so weird like cmon

youve seen me scum right? it's...not like this
I've seen scum Jay before and he was nowhere near this lame, but what do you know.

Also I am burning through posts way too fast, sorry ilario

Jay wasn't dead, without my vote it's 6-6

30/100

I think it's Dizzy and Esooa. Like, you can see the foundation of Ilario's read on me, even though it's completely wrong.

Esooa's got nothing going and basically feels like a replacement who's subbing into a very difficult slot.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:11 am
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:09 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:07 am
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:06 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:04 am
cassandra wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:02 am ok im pretty sure esooa and nutella are just outing
Are you really just gonna go back to tunneling for no reason like this?
Can I see a defense against the points people are making against you? I know you've only been here a short time but you still found time to tinfoil like four separate people, it's the least you could do
No
Yeah you're full of shit. [VOTE: Esooa] aubergine Even my previous point for you can be rescinded given nutella's interaction, and you have not given me one indication you are town. nutella's still scummier but I would not mind going after this.
Your previous points are about Sloonei, lmfao

90% of the rest are "PoE cause they subbed in "

The only existing not-that reasons are Alexa going off because I didn't agree with her, and SPF saying that I am slightly tonally off in whatever way, I forgot

Extremely cringe

You're also mafia because you're voting someone who hammered scum... I don't know that I've ever seen you make that leap in logic. THOUGH... Me hammering my partner at EoD there would certainly play into this narrative that people are trying to shoehorn in that I'm a gAmEtHroWeR.

Ilario's read on me is actually super towny though, and amusing.

Ah, I don't know how many posts I get today...

I'm kind of thinking esooa / dizzy / DrWilgy contains 2 mafia. Emphasis on Dizzy DrWilgy

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:44 am weird that it was public the shot came from wilgy tho

Yeah, I'm very confident he lied about his role yesterday. I just wonder why.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:42 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:40 am
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:39 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:38 am
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:36 am btw I really wish wilgy had shot naa, i kinda feel like the mr shot could fall in the red zone of the vig chart and i thought wilgy looked kinda bad from wagon stuff tbh
You can ask him to shoot me tonight.
he claimed 1 shot
I don't believe it given the other modifier.
which what now

Yeah, look at the flip. Not a standard vigi

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:41 am Top 4: cass, ilario/leetic, spf,
Bottom 4: Sloonsooa, Mac, anne, Dizzy

God, that bottom 4 is so weird.

Dizzy feels right this game.

But yeah, I'll leave it to DrWilgy to explain why he lied about his role.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:39 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:38 am
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:36 am btw I really wish wilgy had shot naa, i kinda feel like the mr shot could fall in the red zone of the vig chart and i thought wilgy looked kinda bad from wagon stuff tbh
You can ask him to shoot me tonight.
he claimed 1 shot

I don't believe it given the other modifier.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:36 am btw I really wish wilgy had shot naa, i kinda feel like the mr shot could fall in the red zone of the vig chart and i thought wilgy looked kinda bad from wagon stuff tbh

You can ask him to shoot me tonight.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:21 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:20 am "you voted JJJ because Anne and JJJ were both mafia and you both were bussing Anne, but Anne has a strong role... So you had to save Anne... Like this logic is so crazy, my jaw is on the floor.
Why did you vote jay then

1) Hammering has a certain appeal to it

2) I ended up sheeping Nanook and Marmot because I was confident they're both town, and I had no read on JJJ

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:20 am "you voted JJJ because Anne and JJJ were both mafia and you both were bussing Anne, but Anne has a strong role... So you had to save Anne... Like this logic is so crazy, my jaw is on the floor.

Like, does anyone not named Nutella see the flaw in this?

"you voted JJJ because Anne and JJJ were both mafia and you both were bussing Anne, but Anne has a strong role... So you had to save Anne... Like this logic is so crazy, my jaw is on the floor.

Anyone who's ever played with me, and played with JJJ knows exactly why I feel bad having to kill him.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:15 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:15 am
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:09 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 1:56 am Looking at anne's wagon

nutella has been pretty townie
DrWilgy is a mystery, but he shot MR, could be a townie shot (but roles aren't AI, so not confirming)
MR is now confirmed town
JJJ is now confirmed mafia
falcon is semi-cleared by Mac

I know JJJ was a CFD, but this wagon on anne doesn't really have the lookings of one that mafia pushed.
Hm yeah, she could still be a hit

I don't feel good about axe either

Why don'd you feel good about axe?
He kept saying dont kill Jay and then killed Jay

Yeah, I like JJJ, he facilitates my integration with the game and is generally capable of processing my thoughts better than most players.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:14 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:11 am
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:11 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:02 am @ilario voting the deciding vote against mafia is a bad play tbh. I have no reason to move from Anne to JJJ if I'm on his team.
Bc Anne is also maf obv
Why? Literally explain why.
Wagons, movement and composition like marmot said, other ppl are townier

Idk I think axe's last minute vote on Jay is an awkward bus regardless of anne's alignment, but it's possible she has a stronger role

Nutella hasn't seen the red check yet.

I think we need to play the day out without hammering

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:12 am
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:11 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:02 am @ilario voting the deciding vote against mafia is a bad play tbh. I have no reason to move from Anne to JJJ if I'm on his team.
Bc Anne is also maf obv
Explain why I have a red check on you.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:11 am
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:11 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:02 am @ilario voting the deciding vote against mafia is a bad play tbh. I have no reason to move from Anne to JJJ if I'm on his team.
Bc Anne is also maf obv
Interesting, so JJJ was betting on the CFD wagon to win the day?

@Lime Coke this is the only possible reasoning, I just don't buy it.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:11 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:02 am @ilario voting the deciding vote against mafia is a bad play tbh. I have no reason to move from Anne to JJJ if I'm on his team.
Bc Anne is also maf obv

Interesting, so JJJ was betting on the CFD wagon to win the day?

I'm actually shocked that anyone is throwing scum reads at me given the EoD vote... @Marmot please help me understand what they're doing, I am trying to be diplomatic here.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:09 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:05 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 1:57 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 1:56 am Looking at anne's wagon

nutella has been pretty townie
DrWilgy is a mystery, but he shot MR, could be a townie shot (but roles aren't AI, so not confirming)
MR is now confirmed town
JJJ is now confirmed mafia
falcon is semi-cleared by Mac

I know JJJ was a CFD, but this wagon on anne doesn't really have the lookings of one that mafia pushed.
I think iaafr and Dizzy come out looking pretty bad on votes. Thoughts?

I know Dizzy will never be around at EOD given his time zone, but I agree, him leaving his vote on sleep isn't good. Also, I'd put Dizzy up there with JJJ, Sloonei, and Mac on the list of incredibly good, clouted players. But that list performed alarming oddly Day 1. Mac farted around all day. Sloonei did nothing. JJJ was stiffer than the whiskey I'm drinking. Dizzy kinda just fell in line with that group.

But his antics are always fun

iaafr, I think I agree. My recollection was that he hemmed and hawed over MR, Wilgy, and anne all the way to the end, but stayed on the Wilgy wagon in the end.
No I think Rabbit switched his vote around often between Wilgy, Radishes, and Anne, before finally trying to CFD JJJ with myself and Cassandra.
And then left it at the last second because he got cold feet.

iaafr didn't finish on JJJ

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:05 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 1:57 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 1:56 am Looking at anne's wagon

nutella has been pretty townie
DrWilgy is a mystery, but he shot MR, could be a townie shot (but roles aren't AI, so not confirming)
MR is now confirmed town
JJJ is now confirmed mafia
falcon is semi-cleared by Mac

I know JJJ was a CFD, but this wagon on anne doesn't really have the lookings of one that mafia pushed.
I think iaafr and Dizzy come out looking pretty bad on votes. Thoughts?

I know Dizzy will never be around at EOD given his time zone, but I agree, him leaving his vote on sleep isn't good. Also, I'd put Dizzy up there with JJJ, Sloonei, and Mac on the list of incredibly good, clouted players. But that list performed alarming oddly Day 1. Mac farted around all day. Sloonei did nothing. JJJ was stiffer than the whiskey I'm drinking. Dizzy kinda just fell in line with that group.

But his antics are always fun

iaafr, I think I agree. My recollection was that he hemmed and hawed over MR, Wilgy, and anne all the way to the end, but stayed on the Wilgy wagon in the end.

I tend to think Mac's thing with Falcon makes no sense as mafia.

ilario wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:04 am U weren’t the deciding vote and it’s incredibly scummy for you to vote jjj despite opposing his elim that day and the fact that u even cased anne as mafia.

Last voter in a 7-5 split is a deciding vote...

@ilario voting the deciding vote against mafia is a bad play tbh. I have no reason to move from Anne to JJJ if I'm on his team.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 1:56 am Looking at anne's wagon

nutella has been pretty townie
DrWilgy is a mystery, but he shot MR, could be a townie shot (but roles aren't AI, so not confirming)
MR is now confirmed town
JJJ is now confirmed mafia
falcon is semi-cleared by Mac

I know JJJ was a CFD, but this wagon on anne doesn't really have the lookings of one that mafia pushed.

I think iaafr and Dizzy come out looking pretty bad on votes. Thoughts?

@DrWilgy If the day were to end now, who are you shooting?

It makes me sad that JJJ was mafia, and is dead.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 1:49 am hi what's up, I've read nothing

JJJ died, he was mafia, 7 votes vs 5 votes on Anne (the counter wagon)

Welcome back folks

iaafr wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:56 pm dude anne got dem parkers

all the hoppers hop around but the parkers parked

I mean, Marmot and I haven't been parked, it's just I don't want to kill JJJ, Sloonei I would probably kill though.

cassandra wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:52 pm does anyone have a reason Jay could be town? or are we just sparing him because it's Jay? like i literally don't give an ef about that kinda thing and would vote him if it was a wagon option.

I refuse to vote Jay because he generally seems to be able to reason with me, which is pretty rare in forum mafia, so I can't be voting that D1 under any circumstances.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:52 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:52 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:51 pm the NAA wagon completely disappearing is actually kind of interesting
It's really not
why'd u ignore my post about who the mafia are? who are ur top scumreads rn?

Because I didn't think it was relevant or important.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:51 pm the NAA wagon completely disappearing is actually kind of interesting

It's really not

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:27 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:24 pm Can people look over these MR posts with me? I think this is a wolf.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 2:01 am Mac's story doesn't feel like a lie? When mafia lie about mechanics they tend to either keep it simple ('I'm a cop') or overly complex ('I'm a cop on Nights that fall within the fibonacci sequence but I only get a result if its a 3P who has activated their ability and I get a double cop on N1'). Mac's story is specific in a different way ('after 26 hours I got fed up and used it') that is unlikely to be fabricated.

Or it is just a clever lie I guess, which is also a possibility because uh we're starting to reach peak 'confirmed town' in a game that's supposedly not bastard, so I can only imagine the power Mafia have here.

This is MR's response to Mac/falcon's claim. He immediately followed it up with a vote for Anne.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 2:04 am [VOTE: Anne] aubergine

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 2:57 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 2:30 pm How is Anne better than NAA? In what ways is Anne scummy to you?
Dunno but I'm sure I'll think of reasons eventually.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 6:39 pm I don't like any of the current wagons. I didn't intend to sit on my vanity wagon but I may just do it anyway.

This is a lazy read for someone who has been putting forth some effort. 42 posts thus far. The timing of it with Mac's claim, the lack of reasoning behind it (even up to this point), and given that he's interacted with several other players since, I'm surprised his vote is still here.

Quoting this again for visibility.

I agree with you

And let's stop discussing that game lel

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:24 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:23 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:20 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:19 pm
cassandra wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:19 pm if JJJ is maf i'm locktowning SPF for making me realize i shouldn't vote NAA because i can't think of concrete reasons other than him not being as extra as last game
Last game was bastard.
Bastard or not, you literally poisoned the player that was obvious town.
Oh well, if I opened the day saying I poisoned JoH, they would have said I poisoned an obvious town *shrug*. Bastard game, I was in the drivers seat due to having the PR and I was wrong... I had the potential teams right, but my evaluation of the bastard mechanic and how I tried to identify it was wrong.
JoH wasn't obvious town at fucking all he barely did anything.

Anyway, let's just agree that short of winning, any actions I took with my PR would have been viewed by you as throwing because you need a punching bag.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:20 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:19 pm
cassandra wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:19 pm if JJJ is maf i'm locktowning SPF for making me realize i shouldn't vote NAA because i can't think of concrete reasons other than him not being as extra as last game
Last game was bastard.
Bastard or not, you literally poisoned the player that was obvious town.

Oh well, if I opened the day saying I poisoned JoH, they would have said I poisoned an obvious town *shrug*. Bastard game, I was in the drivers seat due to having the PR and I was wrong... I had the potential teams right, but my evaluation of the bastard mechanic and how I tried to identify it was wrong.

cassandra wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:20 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:19 pm
cassandra wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:19 pm if JJJ is maf i'm locktowning SPF for making me realize i shouldn't vote NAA because i can't think of concrete reasons other than him not being as extra as last game
Last game was bastard.
why does that matter?

Bastard roles lead to different playstyles. *shrug* I can't claim Jester in a non-bastard game.

cassandra wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:19 pm if JJJ is maf i'm locktowning SPF for making me realize i shouldn't vote NAA because i can't think of concrete reasons other than him not being as extra as last game

Last game was bastard.

cassandra wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:18 pm [VOTE: JJJ] aubergine

actually yeah let's do this for now

I don't hate the idea, but I don't think it's happening and I don't think it's a good kill for today.

iaafr wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:17 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:16 pm i am not asking this facetiously: does anybody have any reasons to scumread anne or notanaxehole that don't boil down to: "They Aren't Towny"? if reasons have been posted in the last few pages, then i haven't gotten to see them yet
naa's open survivalism does not feel like the town version, least not one I've ever seen

We've never agreed on mafia ideas in our few games together.

cassandra wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:14 pm i'm still a little offput by how fast the wagon on Anne grew, though, especially when 3/5 on the wagon i have in my POE and she was getting townread earlier

i dunno, i probably won't vote her today

I think the main takeaway I have is that everyone who can read me is not on my wagon, so it would stand to reason for me, that any counter wagon would grow quickly in order to avoid an obvious mischop.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:14 pm Did leetic ever explain how in the hell he thought I might have tmi on his role?

I think this is an exercise in futility.

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:12 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:09 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:06 pm People who refuse to engage with people are always a good idea to get out of the way early. I don't want to be stuck at LyLo with any of them
People who want to kill people for not playing how they want them to are always a good idea to get out of the way early. I don't want to be stuck at kilo with any of them.
Why would someone even play a social game like Mafia if they refuse to engage with people? That is my question

I mean, I tried to present you with logic as to why you should town read me, then you rejected it, claiming I'm not doing enough to be town read by you. I can't go as far as to correct how you see the game, and why that's flawed when reading a player like me. At a certain point I have to accept that I'm not getting anywhere with you and move on.

ten not town wtf

#87, #88, #93, #98, #111, #113, #135, #145 - Anne posts that vaguely or directly reference the set up

Then her next town posts are about how she should be town read and is out of wolf range.

Now I know what some might say... It's early day 1. But the fact is, people were having real discussions around her whether game-related or not, but I didn't get the sense from reading that she ever attempted to jump in, she just wanted the town cred for being there.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:01 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:59 pm Nanook, give me a wilgy post # to look at, based on it and it alone, I will judge your alignment. Don't worry, I won't tell.
viewtopic.php?p=871114#p871114

Fuck, you may have a point... And I was looking to cast you out as we would any malformed piece of chocolate.

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:59 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:57 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:55 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:54 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:48 pm Is naa readable as "if he doesn't make me want to tear my hair out he's mafia" lol
Generally not, but it's highly dependent on the day. Right now I'm in survival mode which means I am trying to limit hostile interactions, and generally appear to be productive.
Well, you're not doing particularly well at surviving right now. I want your thoughts on each player in the game, which will be useful now matter how you flip.
I understand based on how JJJ described you, that you jump in to ask things like this all the time, so I don't fault you for it. Now don't fault me for ignoring it because that's just how I play.
[VOTE: NotAnAxehole] aubergine

That is the most suck-up response you could have provided.

I mean, you're sticking your head in the sand, ignoring all of the town reads coming my way from people around you just so that you can develop a read in your own way of reading the game. The issue with that is, typically people who read the game the way you seem to have a disproportionate tendency to scum read me.

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