The Syndicate

ilario wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:21 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:19 am

ilario wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:18 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:17 am

ilario wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:16 am so i know the poe is bad

You can't know this if you're town.

yes i can, if the poe involves voting me out to win, and im town, then it is bad fmpov

3 kills, 2 mafia. One of the players is town.

annd if you guys are wrong about me why shouldnt i believe than u can be wrong on one of the other people in the poe?

ilario wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:22 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 3:02 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 2:45 pm What can other people tell me about Axehole’s playstyle?

I've only played one game with him, and he scum sided pretty hard that game as town. I was mafia, so I was pretty much just happy he looked in the wrong places there. Here he just irks me. I think I remember him compromising quite a lot in that game actually. It's the "Basic Mafia" Heist, if you want to take a look. I get the feeling he'd be playing pretty similar as any alignment, so I don't actually have a read on him here. Probably not too helpful

lol this doesnt surprise me one bit

How is it that JJJ's reads are gold to you, and yet everyone else in the thread who questions you or your play is utter trash despite some of those players coming to the same conclusions before & after JJJ.

ilario wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:20 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:18 am

ilario wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:16 am and yes, i am throwing out the poe because im town and im in the poe, so i know the poe is bad

That's not how poe works.

Is the rest of the poe wrong?

that is what im in the process of working out, but if all im going to get from trying to think this through is have yall tell me my questions arent helpful then i honestly question how much i care about working with any of you

The thing about the questions not being helpful is, read and make up your mind on what you're doing before polling the thread to get a feel of where the game state is. I know for a fact not everyone has the same PoE, so it's important to not have you poke around to figure out which band wagon to jump on, rather instead you present your conclusion and then if it's absolutely required, we discuss. Like, the fact is, mafia knowing the full game state going into potential LyLo is dangerous unless we can near-guarantee a win.

ilario wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:18 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:17 am

ilario wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:16 am so i know the poe is bad

You can't know this if you're town.

yes i can, if the poe involves voting me out to win, and im town, then it is bad fmpov

3 kills, 2 mafia. One of the players is town.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:18 am

ilario wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:16 am and yes, i am throwing out the poe because im town and im in the poe, so i know the poe is bad

That's not how poe works.

Is the rest of the poe wrong?

Mind-Meld

ilario wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:16 am so i know the poe is bad

You can't know this if you're town.

I really don't understand the discussion today, in fairness I haven't read a lot of it... But like, it's unacceptable, regardless of RL circumstances to not have a solid PoE that you're willing to run down at this point in the game. It's ok for it to be wrong, but if you don't have a PoE that you think is winning, it's a non-starter at this point in the game.

I have 2 people I'm never voting on for the rest of the game

I have 1 that I'm clearing by proxy

That leaves 3 people

I see day 1 quality questions and I really don't get it.

Is this day 1?

I am legitimately interested in your solve though.

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 10:14 pm You just said in that post I quoted that you feel bad

Yeah, it was sarcasm.

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 10:11 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 10:06 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 10:01 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 6:35 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 6:33 pm I don't think we yeet ilario immediately. I think we should at least give him a chance to show up and defend himself (or spew his final partner)

Yeah, he's been impeded from posting the last couple days due to quick hammers, I feel bad as well.

Why did you say this when you were opening the day asking for a quick hammer on me?

Coz I'm a dikc

So why would u feel bad then?

I don't

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 10:01 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 6:35 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 6:33 pm I don't think we yeet ilario immediately. I think we should at least give him a chance to show up and defend himself (or spew his final partner)

Yeah, he's been impeded from posting the last couple days due to quick hammers, I feel bad as well.

Why did you say this when you were opening the day asking for a quick hammer on me?

Coz I'm a dikc

Ilario was actually doing really well if mafia and had limited people scum reading him... Likely not enough to get him killed.

Inactivity, out of his control, into a bad situation might be frustrating.

I await the solve with much anticipation @ilario

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:34 pm I was busy with irl duties and assignments for majority of yesterday day phase, I also had committed to a team game earlier and it was my day to play so what little time I had to spare was spent there. I intended to come back for the second half of day 4 in order to make up for my absence but then the day ended early which is something that almost never happen on MU so I wasn’t expecting that.

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:34 pm If I see soa get voted out the previous day for not playing enough, then I don’t ever decide to follow suit the next day by 0 posting as his partner and getting into the same predicament he did.

I actually think this post is somewhat towny (I won't give my reasons), and the angleshoot is nice too... But yeah, this quoted part is kind of funny.

The biggest thing I get out of this post is that you want your mafia play to be respected, and not get voted out for something silly/IRL, which I waffle on a bit, is this something you would feel equally as town and mafia.

If sleep renders poison optional, then I'm playing it to a draw if Ilario flips town.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 8:07 pm Ok, sleep is probably pointless then.

Well, that just confirmed what you already know (that I'm town).

LOL

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 6:33 pm I don't think we yeet ilario immediately. I think we should at least give him a chance to show up and defend himself (or spew his final partner)

Yeah, he's been impeded from posting the last couple days due to quick hammers, I feel bad as well.

Honestly, I think the goal here is just to hit mafia without giving too much away. Everyone should start a full re-evaluation of the game on their own so that in a final three situation, you're not coming into a 1v1 with a bias that is known to mafia.

If we all agree we have to hit at least once between G-Man and Ilario, then we just execute one -> If Town Sleep / If Mafia Axe the other -> If Final 4 sleep.

I think it's pretty straight forward and starting to re-evaluate now probably gives you an increase chance of hitting in F3, also you don't want to give mafia anything to work with on your re-evaluation unless you think ilario / G-Man is a critical mistake.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 5:47 pm I'm going to sleep now. I won't have a lot of time tomorrow, but I'll check in with the thread and stuff. If people want Ilario over G-Man, I'm not going to stand in the way of that.

I want Ilario

@G-Man assuming you're genuine (which I'm not), you see Falcon and Ilario as being the team right?

I will re-read if I feel like I have to, but I don't feel that way at all. I'm going to stick to my guns and not seriously read anything past D1, which I've already done.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 5:17 pm Speculation, but I was wondering if G-Man didn't fully realise TSP was confirmed town already, and that's why Jimmay was killed before TSP last day. Cause in my mind, TSP was already confirmed town. I guess we'll only see after the game though lol

IDK, I think mafia should have killed JJJ N1 to be honest. I feel like if they didn't give JJJ time to come around to sheeping my PoE, mafia could have won easily.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 5:13 pm My heart actually sinks, thinking that Ilario might be mafia here after all

To be fair, he spent basically all of day 1 trying to pocket you specifically.

Johanna wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 5:08 pm Wolves seem pretty methodical, poisoning the seemingly most obvious townies in consecution.

So who do we do? G-Man or ilario? I would like to hear people before we hammer.

I think it doesn't matter, I kill both G-Man and Ilario before even starting discussion on anyone else.

G-Man has literally not been able to produce anything other than "Lime Coke and Falcon are mafia together" evolving to "Falcon is mafia". Which I don't really blame him because if you're mafia in the PoE, you primarily want people to just not want to vote you without giving much away. At least, he is trying to do SOMETHING.

Ilario disappeared with the rest of the mafia team once the PoE was solidified (and presumably correct). It's hard to see any other reason for this disappearance given that they were vibing pretty well with several players in the thread... It just happens that each of those playeres were being more towny than he was, forcing him into the PoE.

Falcon is not worth considering for the moment in my opinion until & unless we hit a townie.

Johanna wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 5:08 pm Wolves seem pretty methodical, poisoning the seemingly most obvious townies in consecution.

So who do we do? G-Man or ilario? I would like to hear people before we hammer.

I think it doesn't matter, I kill both G-Man and Ilario before even starting discussion on anyone else.

G-Man has literally not been able to produce anything other than "Lime Coke and Falcon are mafia together" evolving to "Falcon is mafia". Which I don't really blame him because if you're mafia in the PoE, you primarily want people to just not want to vote you without giving much away. At least, he is trying to do SOMETHING.

Ilario disappeared with the rest of the mafia team once the PoE was solidified (and presumably correct). It's hard to see any other reason for this disappearance given that they were vibing pretty well with several players in the thread... It just happens that each of those playeres were being more towny than he was, forcing him into the PoE.

Falcon is not worth considering for the moment in my opinion until & unless we hit a townie.

Let's hammer and move on.

#Clout

Jesus Christ himself has spoken. End the day.

OEXRNAAORQRA?ITOORLOR?ODOT?RZTTTNXDZD

I don't think Falcon's slot is all that important. He was set up as the counter wagon on multiple days, he doesn't work with SoA as far as I can tell based on my own reads... I would 100% kill Dolby, G-Man, Ilario before Falcon, maybe even Johanna tbh.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 9:43 am We might consider timing a hammer such that EOD is timed better. If I’d known it would change the game schedule I might not have done it when I did last time.

Are you the god of hammers?

Johanna wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 9:28 am It's so quiet today.

There's nothing to discuss aside from the election, but y'all aren't Canadian.

I'm game to let G-Man live up until we stumble on a towny, I see him actually trying, albeit, I'm not actually reading... So his posts could all be goo goo ga ga and it would be all the same to me.

Also, Ilario stopped playing the moment town (and therefore mafia) were essentially forced to lock themselves into an auto world due to shrinking PoE.

Me 10 pages ago... Soo we're chopping Dolby?

Me now, we're still chopping Dolby?

Ok you kids have fun.

See if you can make it to 100 by EoD.

Which party should I vote for?

What is your perspective on Trudeau?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 18, 2021 9:40 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 10:18 pm What have I missed?

It has been a busy day. I plan to spend the night ISOing folks inside the POE. If anything juicy or exciting has happened, let me know please and thanks.

Giving Sloonei an opportunity to resolve this effort. Then I support a hammer on either wagon.

lol

StarV phantom voted

ilario wrote: ↑Sat Sep 18, 2021 12:25 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Sep 18, 2021 12:21 am

ilario wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 11:25 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 8:51 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 8:18 pm @ilario just for the log, is Son of Anarch still a town read?

You might want to try to get them to explain why they aren't adopting your PoE (and mine - as they are more or less the same for this purpose).

If they adopt it, then they have to re-evaluate their world, which they refuse to do on the basis that my PoE is garbage, which I assume means yours is as well.

I have considered all of jjjs reads this game lol and he’s the major reason why I doubted my stance on soa

Just so we're clear, you still think my PoE is terrible though, yes?

I dismissed it the moment you refused to engage with me the reasoning of your reads

It could be somewhat decent for all I know

I never engage on the actual reasoning for my reads.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 18, 2021 12:26 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Sep 18, 2021 12:24 am I slotted Johanna in there but to be honest I haven't really looked at her ISO because the spoil tags just make it impossible without an amount of effort that I'm unwilling to invest.

If you tell me she's green, then I have to consider my other reads and figure out which associative reads are weaker than I might have initially thought.

If it helps, Johanna's spoilers are very short Fleabag roleplay and don't add a ton of stuff.

For PoE purposes:

My only thoughts is that she's not aligned with falcon and Marmot.

I can easily see Johanna with any of the PoE from her posting.

Reads and T o N E stuff...

Her posts about her role and my group of 4 are noteworthy and I'm not sure what it means for her alignment - that particular group included Lime Coke, so regardless of her own alignment she could confidently laugh at it without outright lying.

The stuff about her role pm and flip are a bit t O N e - y and require some attention. It feels t O w N y, but I'm not sure if I'm allowed to make that read and it's the only towny thing from my PoV... Of course I'm 100% just trying to solve on PoE this game, so maybe I'm glossing over some key factor.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 18, 2021 12:26 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Sep 18, 2021 12:24 am I slotted Johanna in there but to be honest I haven't really looked at her ISO because the spoil tags just make it impossible without an amount of effort that I'm unwilling to invest.

If you tell me she's green, then I have to consider my other reads and figure out which associative reads are weaker than I might have initially thought.

If it helps, Johanna's spoilers are very short Fleabag roleplay and don't add a ton of stuff.

Strange that, normally I like roleplay while laying in bed.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 11:38 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 11:16 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 11:04 pm @NotAnAxehole I know you weren't sold on falcon being mafia, and I am not entirely sold either. Are you mostly inclined to insert ilario in his place, or is there more to your current view?

Yeah, I mostly see falcon SoA as incompatible. I need to review why maybe, but it was a confident read.

Ilario in that slot makes a lot of sense.

If your team is Dolby, G-Man, SoA, ilario, do you know at the moment who you'd name as the 5th member of the full POE pool?

I slotted Johanna in there but to be honest I haven't really looked at her ISO because the spoil tags just make it impossible without an amount of effort that I'm unwilling to invest.

If you tell me she's green, then I have to consider my other reads and figure out which associative reads are weaker than I might have initially thought.

ilario wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 11:25 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 8:51 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 8:18 pm @ilario just for the log, is Son of Anarch still a town read?

You might want to try to get them to explain why they aren't adopting your PoE (and mine - as they are more or less the same for this purpose).

If they adopt it, then they have to re-evaluate their world, which they refuse to do on the basis that my PoE is garbage, which I assume means yours is as well.

I have considered all of jjjs reads this game lol and he’s the major reason why I doubted my stance on soa

Just so we're clear, you still think my PoE is terrible though, yes?

Also, to explain my general lack of tinfoil outside of trolling you...

I don't really get sneaky suspicions or tinfoil that I might be wrong, I just understand that I might be wrong and don't care.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 11:04 pm @NotAnAxehole I know you weren't sold on falcon being mafia, and I am not entirely sold either. Are you mostly inclined to insert ilario in his place, or is there more to your current view?

Yeah, I mostly see falcon SoA as incompatible. I need to review why maybe, but it was a confident read.

Ilario in that slot makes a lot of sense.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 11:04 pm @NotAnAxehole I know you weren't sold on falcon being mafia, and I am not entirely sold either. Are you mostly inclined to insert ilario in his place, or is there more to your current view?

Yeah, I mostly see falcon SoA as incompatible. I need to review why maybe, but it was a confident read.

Ilario in that slot makes a lot of sense.

"NAA: Man do I still get the Mac vibes. Such a pure comparison in my mind, and I remember never giving Mac the benefit of the doubt for at least a year or more. I don't want to make the same mistake and brand NAA someone to be dealt with, but I also need to remember that just because NAA gives me Mac vibes doesn't mean I should grant him any of the grace that I denied Mac early on."

@G-Man I don't hate this comparison, I personally think Mac is one of the easiest players to understand intention and integrate with (from video Mafia experience).

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 10:18 pm What have I missed?

It has been a busy day. I plan to spend the night ISOing folks inside the POE. If anything juicy or exciting has happened, let me know please and thanks.

Literally nothing.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 9:52 pm @JaggedJimmyJay You've got myself, SoA, Dolby, Gman, and Ilario in a POE of 5?


How are our POEs so similar, yet feel so different? Why does it feel like we're talking right past each other?



Why can't we find each other as town?

I see this too

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 8:57 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 8:48 pm If my interpretations meant anything, I would be less lazy about consuming information.

Your interpretations mean things. I am taking them into consideration. If you want to know why there may be a tendency for some people to discount your contributions, then you need to know that it's not some "lack of clout".

People tune you out if they feel you are talking down to them, belittling their play, belittling their entire site culture, and treating them like they're too stupid to breathe.

If you don't intend to come across that way, then you should be made aware that it often seems that way. Treat folks with respect and you're going to get more of it too.

I mean we don't generally agree on causation of gameplay related behavior, but we do generally agree on gameplay style. Also, you have to consider that integration is difficult and fails for a lot of people who try new sites, including this one. There is a strategic component to my madness and I try to be as respectful as possible all things considered.

"People tune you out if they feel you are talking down to them, belittling their play, belittling their entire site culture, and treating them like they're too stupid to breathe."

I think this is filled with half-truths, in the sense that I don't get the impression that most people see me as being malicious, or over time understand enough to dismiss some things that I say. Part of it is that people generally say "Axehole is anti-town" and what they mean by that is "I am pro-town and axehole is anti-town". When I say "JJJ is 5th mafia" I could very well mean "NAA is also pro-mafia". It's a bit of a dry style of approaching topics which I find to be entertaining.

Also, if you're talking about Ilario specifically, then I have no defense for myself. (I felt like this went without saying given the above point I just made, but I feel in this case it's important to mention)