The Syndicate

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 6:57 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 6:50 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 6:48 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 6:47 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 6:44 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 3:13 pm Did ender push anyone at all yesterday cause I don't remember it
I only remember him telling boquise he thought he knew what happened but that it was the wrong conclusion
Meaning he already assumed Boq was town
And that ender did take an action
I figured it was best if I go over. My vote on Wilgy was symbolic of supporting Nook because I heavily townread him.

I actually wanted to go over because if there was wolves it'd help you guys find them where if I stuck around I was dead weight and likely a good vote target.
Yeah but who do you even think is a wolf at this point? Bereft is dead, are you just assuming the game should be over?
Er, let me rephrase that: do you believe there are any wolves left? Who was the wolf team?
Actually this does bring up the point.

I hadn't thought about possibly not having any wolves left.

It's not impossible that either Wilgy was a lying wolf or one of Abi/Bereft.

Bereft no legacy.

Huh.
Yeah
I was wondering earlier in the thread why Bereft hadn't written something, I kind of figured he would've.
I'm not exactly surprised by Abbi taking him out, I'm just surprised Bereft didn't write anything.
And it's one of the loopholes where you'd actually be town. But if that's the case, after we vote you out tomorrow, we can safely vote to end the game and it would only delay the endgame by a day.

I can't say I will enjoy the experience.

But yeah I'd be okay with that.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 6:48 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 6:47 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 6:44 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 3:13 pm Did ender push anyone at all yesterday cause I don't remember it
I only remember him telling boquise he thought he knew what happened but that it was the wrong conclusion
Meaning he already assumed Boq was town
And that ender did take an action
I figured it was best if I go over. My vote on Wilgy was symbolic of supporting Nook because I heavily townread him.

I actually wanted to go over because if there was wolves it'd help you guys find them where if I stuck around I was dead weight and likely a good vote target.
Yeah but who do you even think is a wolf at this point? Bereft is dead, are you just assuming the game should be over?
Er, let me rephrase that: do you believe there are any wolves left? Who was the wolf team?

Actually this does bring up the point.

I hadn't thought about possibly not having any wolves left.

It's not impossible that either Wilgy was a lying wolf or one of Abi/Bereft.

Bereft no legacy.

Huh.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 3:16 pm Oh yeah he did totally dip lol
I assumed weekends and time zones and stuff but I have like no sense of time and you're right, he vanished after giving up on trying to wriggle free of the elim
And he hasn't come back, right? Maybe he assumed he had gone over, which would also be another point in Nook's favor for being unteamed

Weird thing about 24 hour days but you can easily "dip" because of irl commitments.

Also I'll point at literally all my previous wolf games where if I thought I was hard "caught" I instead just meme in thread.

But I also thought I had gone over yes lmao.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 6:47 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 6:44 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 3:13 pm Did ender push anyone at all yesterday cause I don't remember it
I only remember him telling boquise he thought he knew what happened but that it was the wrong conclusion
Meaning he already assumed Boq was town
And that ender did take an action
I figured it was best if I go over. My vote on Wilgy was symbolic of supporting Nook because I heavily townread him.

I actually wanted to go over because if there was wolves it'd help you guys find them where if I stuck around I was dead weight and likely a good vote target.
Yeah but who do you even think is a wolf at this point? Bereft is dead, are you just assuming the game should be over?

It's obvious at this point that I have townread a wolf yes. I have only just started thinking about this game for the first time in like 24ish hours so you'll have to forgive me for not having thoughts on a platter.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 3:16 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 3:13 pm Did ender push anyone at all yesterday cause I don't remember it
I only remember him telling boquise he thought he knew what happened but that it was the wrong conclusion
Meaning he already assumed Boq was town
And that ender did take an action
Yeah, that was pretty revealing, and also easily concocted by Ender.

I pushed for Bereft to be included in the POE. I agreed with Robyn's POE otherwise.

robyn wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 3:14 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 3:09 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 3:07 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 3:05 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 3:03 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 3:01 pm But there was no nightkill
You know there are other ways to prevent a kill than just wolves not choosing to kill, right?
Boq was probably a roleblocker
(I assume we can speculate on this)
That's a likely explanation. Maybe the wolves were all dead already and we'll find out after we yeet Ender.

I hope Nanook is down with that plan, if he holds massive voting power!
Yeah, if wolves holstered or if there was a protective who saved the kill target, then it would make things different but I believe the only way Boq could be certain enough to push is if he had blocked Ender. Or also if there were no wolves left but there's probably one. If it's not Ender, I'd reconsider Nook, but it's not both, Robyn is right.
To me, the plan from this point on looks the same, no matter what happens or has happened.
on the contrary, if nook scum then tomorrow is an auto win for ender/nook, but because ender is outed that makes it so if nook does vote ender tomorrow he’s mech town

and ender is outed because he ghosted the thread

so the plan is just kill ender and end the game, gg ezpz

I "ghosted" the thread because:
1. I have a life on the weekend sometimes and was visiting family.
2. I was very annoyed that the boq outcome had put me in this situation. I know why Boq put me in that position. He was wrong but I can understand it. The modkill was just icing on the cake. And rather than rage at the thread for it being a stupid position for me to be put in, I thought it'd be better if I just get out of the way.

I was pretty confident you guys could win it if I got yeeted and that's the better outcome for town.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 3:13 pm Did ender push anyone at all yesterday cause I don't remember it
I only remember him telling boquise he thought he knew what happened but that it was the wrong conclusion
Meaning he already assumed Boq was town
And that ender did take an action

I figured it was best if I go over. My vote on Wilgy was symbolic of supporting Nook because I heavily townread him.

I actually wanted to go over because if there was wolves it'd help you guys find them where if I stuck around I was dead weight and likely a good vote target.

I honestly thought I was just going over.

This is annoying.

I think Robyn is town and that POE + Bereft probably wins it.

I am too annoyed to care more than that.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Oct 28, 2023 11:47 pm @EnderWiggin can you come vote wilgy please

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

Tbh I expected to be hammered.

Also kinda annoyed at how we got here but it's not entirely Boq's fault so eeeeeeeeeh.

robyn wrote: ↑Sat Oct 28, 2023 5:01 am kill ender -> wigly -> maybe nook -> end game

Add Bereft and I agree.

For what it's worth, I understand how Boq got to the conclusion he got to. Just kinda annoying.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Oct 28, 2023 4:58 am
Boquise is Dead

rip tbqh

And to think I got poked for not reading the rules immediately lol

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 5:46 pm
Lynch or Lose will not be announced - You may at any time vote that the game is over. If any Non-Landlords (Non-Town) are alive you lose the game

Boquise wrote: ↑Sat Oct 28, 2023 4:52 am Wtf is this vote option

"We got them all already, we won"

It's how we win. Once we think we've voted wolves out. We don't just auto-win when wolves are dead.

I'mma be honest, that's probably the wrong take from what you've got there.

Alright?

Boquise wrote: ↑Sat Oct 28, 2023 4:25 am
Boquise wrote: ↑Sat Oct 28, 2023 4:14 am I have very cute information tbh.

But first! Let's play a game.

Who do you guys think was the likeliest NK target?
i need moar answers
@DrWilgy
@EnderWiggin
How do you even tag someone with a star?
@WindwardAway
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
@Bereft

idk who else is alive tbh

WWA.

@☆Princess Abigail☆

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Oct 28, 2023 4:11 am Anyway. Happy to discuss reads and stuff, but I'll be afk for a long stretch of time this afternoon/evening irl because I'll be at a Halloween-themed board game party.

Have fun! Halloween themed board games is v nice

robyn wrote: ↑Sat Oct 28, 2023 4:08 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Oct 28, 2023 4:04 am Also btw, after thinking about Brad town universes:

I still think there's not a high chance wolf!Robyn talks me around into joining on Brad vote-wise.
as wolf i've never had my vote on another wolf at eod

but ftr i'm living in worlds where there is a chance that brad was town, mainly because porscha/cape dying before me is insulting

I kept you alive because you were townreading me.

If it helps I think Abi is more likely to be town at this point.

Also btw, after thinking about Brad town universes:

I still think there's not a high chance wolf!Robyn talks me around into joining on Brad vote-wise.

Oh. Hm.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Oct 28, 2023 3:59 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Oct 28, 2023 3:53 am Also this could be a skill issue but I really dislike how Wilgy has had so little influence on events outside the surroundings of his own wagon that I keep forgetting about him.
He feels like a background character, but there are like one or two posts that made me think he was slightly towny

I'm not really sure, though, it's still not enough to clear him.

Can you point out which two posts you're talking about?

robyn wrote: ↑Sat Oct 28, 2023 3:57 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Oct 28, 2023 3:57 am
Bereft wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 7:49 pm I think any votes on marmot wasted due to their impending death in all likelihood.

I am abivalent wrt to both S~V~S and Wilgy's alignment. They both are playing as if they don't know much about what is going on, but I'm not confident in saying either is town.
Ftr this is the exact position I would imagine a wolf-partner of Marmot would be taking.
bereft locktown uwu

Bereft wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 7:49 pm I think any votes on marmot wasted due to their impending death in all likelihood.

I am abivalent wrt to both S~V~S and Wilgy's alignment. They both are playing as if they don't know much about what is going on, but I'm not confident in saying either is town.

Ftr this is the exact position I would imagine a wolf-partner of Marmot would be taking.

(Yes, yes, the above idea has been said many times but I'm repeating it. Also slightly echoes LC's actual thoughts in his spoiler which is why they're pointed at him.

Also just relevant because I am honestly reading Boq as one of the 3p)

@Long Con

I think after reviewing the kills I'm against a true multiball.

At best Rondo has done 3p but the 3p doesn't have a night kill so they're not a traditional SK/alt faction.

Also this could be a skill issue but I really dislike how Wilgy has had so little influence on events outside the surroundings of his own wagon that I keep forgetting about him.

Boquise wrote: ↑Sat Oct 28, 2023 3:47 am As for my read on you Robyn, I think if you are scum you'd be powerwolfing (which is why I posted this gif just now to wwa - i dont understand her logic).

It is more like, you fit the trope of a player who is in control of the game and doing them pushes. I think strategically you are were a wolf want to be in a flipless game. Theres no real sense of responsibility.

At the same time, I know you did not carry the NK.

My read circle demonstrates how my reads, at that time, were circling between various read spaces tbh

Do you think LC wasn't wolf?

Tbh in the world where Brad was town I would have to seriously think about Robyn but that would require that town!Brad:
1. Didn't leave a legacy after it was talked about 57 thousand times that day phase (because of Lily not leaving a legacy.)
2. Fell off like wolf!Brad does and only roused at the end when attempting to save himself
3. Provided none of the aggressive defense that is patent!town brad.

Like, I can't say it can never happen that those are true, but also like the likelihood I bank on this one flipless game going so far against the trend is pretty low.

Took a nap in the middle there and did a bunch of skimming but have some thoughts put together

First of all, I'm partially assuming Brad is wolf here. Mostly because it makes the most sense out of play + outcome and it proved my PR theory on him wrong already.

Town (Very Likely):
Robyn - The way Robyn fought me on my Brad read and/or my PR read just doesn't make sense if they're partners. Not even from a bus perspective.
Nook - I have seen Nook wolf and town a lot. I dare say I have an above-rand read on him. Caveat of it being a few months since we played last. But the way he's interacted with me and the reads in thread make more sense from his town play.

Townish:
WWA - Possibly cleared by Mech. Possibly just cleared by towniness. (I think their hyper posting last day phase and the way they pushed thread content makes sense to me more as town for ex.)
Long Con - Possibly mech cleared. Kinda eh-er about this read tbh but putting it here now because it's easier. Also don't feel like he'd point the mech-thing out if he was fake-cleared.

Spice:
Abi - As much as I've disagreed with Abi's takes, the aggressive passion is more in line with what I think I recall from her town games. This is a meh read and I know it. Mortal Enemey tho.

Not so Nice:
Boq - Need to do some actual focus work on him but have felt like I've ignored his content even on my reread.
Wilgy - Honestly nearly posted this without adding the wilgster. I keep forgetting about him. His position on Marmot was good but it wasn't until he was on the proverbial chopping block that he has really come to play. Which is not a content set I like.

Fur growers:
Bereft - Has trended down and not done the things I was expecting from his town-self despite townreading him early. That on top of his attempt to prevent any Marmot wagon forming feel paired-ish. Yes this read is partially backed off of believing maybe mech.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 6:07 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 5:13 pm PoE feels like Boq, Ender, Nook.

Will sort further later.
Why Ender? Curious to know what the case on him is. On D1 pretty much everyone said he was towny, but as of D3 I've seen reads on him trending down, so I'm wondering why.

It's because I've been lazy and also haven't had time.

Gonna try putting some time in now tho. I won't be around for normal SOD so I'm getting some stuff done before.

[VOTE: SVS] aubergine

I should actually have time to think next day phase so Robyn will lose one sheep.

I can vote SVS.

Will do in a lil bit unless someone says don't

robyn wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 1:50 am could go marmot too but like bleh

Tbh Marmot has benefits.

Looks like they will auto out if I understand the equation right and voting them out means we don't lose possibly 2 town in 1 day.

But also I think very likely to be town at this point so it's kinda a meh flip.

(Not finished work yet)

Why is Robyn being voted???

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 6:53 pm Have zero interest in robyn/Abby thunderdome today, think that's just a distraction rn

Would encourage both of you to pretend the other isntown and build a world from that and see where it leads you, as a thought exercise if nothing else

Seconding this.

Also, Nanook is town. I invoke my right to read Nanook well.

Honestly probably gonna vote Marmot today because it stops the afk death bleed.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 5:22 pm Aye, the way things are going I think I'll probably vote Marmot?

Idk, they seemed to not have suffered the same fate as Pyx and Jack.

Marmot voted 1 day when Pyx and Jack didn't.

Tbh unless they show up again (assuming it is a slank thing and I do) they're scheduled to neck it tonight.

Ngl I'm stuck in a loop of "Gotta reread to find my place in things but god that's 30 pages."

Also, someone turned the aircon off in a Rack area connected to my systems at work and we had a server overheat at 9pm, which meant I suddenly lost the latter half of my evening to work.

*Random frustration.*

I think I'm mostly going to spend today sheeping Robyn/Bereft and regroup on the weekned.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 5:15 am I know rondo a bit and thus I have no interest in making many setup reads lol

I think the way we win this is the same as most flipless games, just go by associations and hedge bets

I know Rondo very well.

Thus I am not thinking about setup reads in the slightest.

If there's 2 wolf teams then the NK could still be wolves from the other team.

I voted just to get Wilgy above Host/spec votes.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 9:24 am (this is a joke to prove that telling people you're town does not convince them at all that you're town)

Omg wwa is town.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 9:23 am I will stubbornly continue to assume lily is a wolf and I'm kind of past caring whether anyone agrees with me or not.
And I think the way Brad has played is consistent with how he plays when his wolf partner dies. He could fake it for longer because lily didn't flip, sure, but he does run out of steam pretty fast when he wolfs, and that's something I doubt has changed in his meta because I've seen him make a real effort to try to change that, but to no avail.

He doesn't run out of steam as much explicitly when he wolves with a subset of players.

I've had to be careful of games Alexa is in not just because Alexa is a good wolf herself but because Brad on the same team doesn't suffer any of the burnout (Guy carried it to F3 and managed to get me killed when we domed at F3).

But otherwise yes

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 9:22 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 9:15 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 9:12 am @EnderWiggin what do you think of porscha atm?
Rereading eod I don't think she tries solving Brad like that as w/w?

Yes I'm partially flipping Brad's alignment for this.

But also Brad's last minute plea too.

Idk I have changed my mind.

I guess also my big sus on her was sorta built around "Brad town vote manip" which is debunked today tbh.
I don't think I need to color Brad red to lock porscha town atp, tbh. I think she's probably just town.

I'm currently kinda at wwa and bereft but I'm still way behind and have like 5 assignments due in 17.5 hours sooooo....do my legwork for me and tell me their alignment, pls?

Bereft town.

WWA is schrodinger's Werewolf.

Well.

Probably a dumb read to make anyway.

I'm just disappointed that I'm the only one who has put mech + fun into my Legacy.

Wolves should kill me so everyone can see my glorious Poem.

Also so I don't have to think about reading 30 pages again.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 9:09 am Actually, I had a thought. Maybe some of the ghost votes are affected by who gets voted during the previous night phase? But I don't remember who voted whom on N1 I remember some votes being on Bereft but that's all.

What happened D1 then?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 9:12 am @EnderWiggin what do you think of porscha atm?

Rereading eod I don't think she tries solving Brad like that as w/w?

Yes I'm partially flipping Brad's alignment for this.

But also Brad's last minute plea too.

Idk I have changed my mind.

I guess also my big sus on her was sorta built around "Brad town vote manip" which is debunked today tbh.

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