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by EnderWiggin
Tue Jul 05, 2022 4:49 am
Forum: Previous Hustles
Topic: Halvøsen Ridge [MAFIA WIN]
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Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 3]

Boquise wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 4:02 am
EnderWiggin wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 10:17 pm The question I have for Alison is:
Do you think I actually ever disturb the boat like that if Jay and I are distancing partners?

I don't usually force it between me and a partner unless it's inevitable, and between me and Jay that would hardly be inevitable.
This fits with your quali
tbh I won't lie about my meta much no matter my alignment.

With the exception of "I wouldn't make that kill." I make that lie a lot as wolf.

Well technically it's not a lie because I usually let my partner choose kills purely so I can legitimately argue that lol.
by EnderWiggin
Tue Jul 05, 2022 4:48 am
Forum: Previous Hustles
Topic: Halvøsen Ridge [MAFIA WIN]
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Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 3]

Dyslexicon wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:03 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:00 pm I do think you are favouring his logical consistency and state in thread a lot more than I am
I think he would break his scum range hard if he's mafia here tbh
Wut?
by EnderWiggin
Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:00 pm
Forum: Previous Hustles
Topic: Halvøsen Ridge [MAFIA WIN]
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Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 3]

I do think you are favouring his logical consistency and state in thread a lot more than I am
by EnderWiggin
Mon Jul 04, 2022 10:59 pm
Forum: Previous Hustles
Topic: Halvøsen Ridge [MAFIA WIN]
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Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 3]

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 10:37 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 10:25 pm Nate is also super sus for the fact that he has no solid decisiveness about his reads.

He provides those lovely scalding hot lists and then is like "But I'm not sure".

I'm ngl I'm trying to remember if he did that in Quals, need to check.
I posted a lengthy take on Nate. You should tell me what you make of it.
I think it's a decent ISO. I do agree that Nate is logically consistent, which I don't think is entirely town of him but I do like it.

I think that the major thing that sticks to me is how he doesn't have a strong case for anyone. I certainly remember from our qualifier that it felt like he had more conviction.

That being said, there is a certain listlessness about this state of game that I empathise with.
by EnderWiggin
Mon Jul 04, 2022 10:29 pm
Forum: Previous Hustles
Topic: Halvøsen Ridge [MAFIA WIN]
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Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 3]

Dyslexicon wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 10:26 pm @EnderWiggin Why do you read Creature town? EoD 1, why, what happened? He's whining and doing absolutely nothing. Sometimes he's defaulting to voting me. He's complaining about Mac's list while still following it. He said I was mafia siding when I was voting Wilgy, while he himself considered Wilgy suspect and ended up voting there. Like wtf. It's useless at best and just wolf at worst. I have big questions about this. That said, I have scarier fish to fry tbh
The townread is based on the fact that I don't believe he cared about self-preservation during that EOD.

Which is not a sensation I feel associated with wolves much.
by EnderWiggin
Mon Jul 04, 2022 10:25 pm
Forum: Previous Hustles
Topic: Halvøsen Ridge [MAFIA WIN]
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Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 3]

Nate is also super sus for the fact that he has no solid decisiveness about his reads.

He provides those lovely scalding hot lists and then is like "But I'm not sure".

I'm ngl I'm trying to remember if he did that in Quals, need to check.
by EnderWiggin
Mon Jul 04, 2022 10:24 pm
Forum: Previous Hustles
Topic: Halvøsen Ridge [MAFIA WIN]
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Views: 182967

Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 3]

I'd laugh if Alison/Jay are mafia and I tried to towncore them D1.
by EnderWiggin
Mon Jul 04, 2022 10:21 pm
Forum: Previous Hustles
Topic: Halvøsen Ridge [MAFIA WIN]
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Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 3]

Albeit I actually had a case rather than an accusation but anyway. I only have about 40m and I have other things to do so I can't spend the time casing until about 8ish hours from now.
by EnderWiggin
Mon Jul 04, 2022 10:19 pm
Forum: Previous Hustles
Topic: Halvøsen Ridge [MAFIA WIN]
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Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 3]

I'm just going to remind Alison, however, of the last mountainous we played together.

I came out on D3 with a case on Mac.

Mac was wolf.

This case was also out of no where.

I was also town.

Do you remember that?
by EnderWiggin
Mon Jul 04, 2022 10:18 pm
Forum: Previous Hustles
Topic: Halvøsen Ridge [MAFIA WIN]
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Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 3]

Dyslexicon wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 10:16 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 10:14 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 9:50 pm @EnderWiggin I feel like you've been very hedgy on Rondo. Why? If I didn't know better, I'd be worried that you wanted to hedge to avoid Rondo to get suspicious of you.
I'm around briefly. Things have been quite busy irl.

As for Rondo, he is aware of how I read in a way that only maybe Thunal can rival. I'm hedgy on him because it is difficult to actually find something I can 100% townread him for.

Usually this will be the case.

I did hard shield him in his first few games because I knew he'd get wagoned early if I didn't.
This answer leaves a lot to be desired. I've seen little things here and there that I want to town read Rondo for. Is it possible for you to do an ISO there to get a firmer grasp?

Right now I have the same town core as you.
I have said this before.

I will say it again.

I currently think Rondo is town.

I think that while he has the capability to fool me I don't think he'd be this consistent over days if he was actually wolf.

Not on his first wolf in forum play anyway.
by EnderWiggin
Mon Jul 04, 2022 10:17 pm
Forum: Previous Hustles
Topic: Halvøsen Ridge [MAFIA WIN]
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Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 3]

The question I have for Alison is:
Do you think I actually ever disturb the boat like that if Jay and I are distancing partners?

I don't usually force it between me and a partner unless it's inevitable, and between me and Jay that would hardly be inevitable.
by EnderWiggin
Mon Jul 04, 2022 10:14 pm
Forum: Previous Hustles
Topic: Halvøsen Ridge [MAFIA WIN]
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Views: 182967

Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 3]

Dyslexicon wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 9:50 pm @EnderWiggin I feel like you've been very hedgy on Rondo. Why? If I didn't know better, I'd be worried that you wanted to hedge to avoid Rondo to get suspicious of you.
I'm around briefly. Things have been quite busy irl.

As for Rondo, he is aware of how I read in a way that only maybe Thunal can rival. I'm hedgy on him because it is difficult to actually find something I can 100% townread him for.

Usually this will be the case.

I did hard shield him in his first few games because I knew he'd get wagoned early if I didn't.
by EnderWiggin
Sun Jul 03, 2022 11:08 am
Forum: Previous Hustles
Topic: Halvøsen Ridge [MAFIA WIN]
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Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 3]

Anyway I should be asleep already so I'll be back on later.
by EnderWiggin
Sun Jul 03, 2022 11:08 am
Forum: Previous Hustles
Topic: Halvøsen Ridge [MAFIA WIN]
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Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 3]

This is also perhaps discounting Dizzy adjusting their game in the months between now and then.
by EnderWiggin
Sun Jul 03, 2022 11:07 am
Forum: Previous Hustles
Topic: Halvøsen Ridge [MAFIA WIN]
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Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 3]

Then again that game I was on fire so maybe I was just seeing into the future there and my normal meta on him is bad.
by EnderWiggin
Sun Jul 03, 2022 11:07 am
Forum: Previous Hustles
Topic: Halvøsen Ridge [MAFIA WIN]
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Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 3]

EnderWiggin wrote: Sat Jan 29, 2022 3:43 am

Dizzy wolfy (I didn't say this but I thought it.)
LinearPoint wrote: Sat Jan 29, 2022 3:47 am That Dizzy read from Ender seems out of place. Dizzy basically said hi and left for the night.
Neeko didn't even realize Dizzy posted until Ender scum read them.
Everything else is a maybe understandable, but Dizzy said like 5 posts.
Just for verification purposes.
by EnderWiggin
Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:57 am
Forum: Previous Hustles
Topic: Halvøsen Ridge [MAFIA WIN]
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Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 3]

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:49 am
EnderWiggin wrote: Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:41 am Talk to me about my reads list, ignoring myself and yourself, and tell me which parts you disagree with and why? I can provide more clarity on my thoughts if you need them on specific slots.
One significant point of contention is with Nate. As with everyone else I am going to be reassessing my own view, but before I dig I see him as a slot that is easy to push despite having a post history that strikes me as quite town.

I also don't know how you town read Dizzy so strongly. To what extent you expand on that is in your court.
The townread on Dizzy is leaning heavily on a meta thought I have used successfully three times so far (Twice as town, once as scum. Scum game was... GOC this year I think?)

However Seanzie did note that he had a thought Dizzy was playing non-standard to fool him and I'm not as confident on it as I was yesterday. I'll grant you that slot is probably the most volatile as it is pending re-read. And I've promised myself not to use that meta thing in my re-read, but I'll 100% admit I may be biased.

If you scumread Dizzy I will accept your specific thoughts on why and evaluate them.

Re: Nate

I'll grant you he's easy to push (Used this in Champs kinda), but in champs he felt like his thoughts were more nuanced and built around the findings he had. This game he seems passive, out of sorts, and entirely unwilling to grapple with anyone or have any hard stances. He admits it himself, which is a minor point in his favour.

Can you talk to me about what you found in his post history that you think as town?
by EnderWiggin
Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:53 am
Forum: Previous Hustles
Topic: Halvøsen Ridge [MAFIA WIN]
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Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 3]

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:46 am
EnderWiggin wrote: Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:44 am What specifically are you talking about?

The fact that Fingersplints is POE'd after I was feeling them town yesterday?

That's because I looked overnight and I was like "I feel stupid for making that read yesterday".
I'm trying to understand the trajectory of your read on fingersplints, as it has been chaotic. What was it about her that seemed like obvious town before, and how has that become feeling stupid?
It was specifically a period of the day when they were lead wagon.

They popped in and answered a few questions and poked a few things and then was just all "That's the best I can do" and dropped off the face of the earth again.

At the time I read it and was like "That doesn't feel like someone who has a team. That feels like someone who saw mounting pressure in thread and didn't know how to properly respond."

I re-read it overnight and I was like "Ender that was a stupid impression."
by EnderWiggin
Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:47 am
Forum: Previous Hustles
Topic: Halvøsen Ridge [MAFIA WIN]
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Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 3]

I am not overly of the opinion that both J and Boq could be scum together, though I have no hard unassociation I can point to.
by EnderWiggin
Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:46 am
Forum: Previous Hustles
Topic: Halvøsen Ridge [MAFIA WIN]
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Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 3]

I should also spend some time after my case re-assessing Boq.

Boq would fit my disquiet. I've been nodding to a few of their posts, but I also don't remember them having a huge impact. I owe due diligence to thinking about this slot and how it impacts my other reads.
by EnderWiggin
Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:44 am
Forum: Previous Hustles
Topic: Halvøsen Ridge [MAFIA WIN]
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Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 3]

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:17 am
EnderWiggin wrote: Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:29 am fingersplints
what's going on with this read
What specifically are you talking about?

The fact that Fingersplints is POE'd after I was feeling them town yesterday?

That's because I looked overnight and I was like "I feel stupid for making that read yesterday".
by EnderWiggin
Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:42 am
Forum: Previous Hustles
Topic: Halvøsen Ridge [MAFIA WIN]
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Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 2]

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:07 am
EnderWiggin wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:04 pm And Wilgy is mostly in there because I have this random thought of "It makes my D1 feelings make sense."
Are you referring to your feelings about a corrupt town core, and if so how does a mafia Wilgy affirm that?
It was a stupid preflip comment and because I could see easy Wilgy pairings with people in the "Town core".

Obviously irrelevant and honestly my biggest mistake in the Wilgy sus, but here we are.
by EnderWiggin
Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:41 am
Forum: Previous Hustles
Topic: Halvøsen Ridge [MAFIA WIN]
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Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 3]

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:01 am Put another way yet:
EnderWiggin wrote: Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:35 am Jay? Jay. I wanted you to be town so badly. I really did. I blinded myself when on D1 I sat uncomfortably certain that there was someone very deep into the "mucho town" basket.

But the more I read their ISO the more I just don't think they're trying to cohesively town solve like I've seen them do in the past. I'll try and put a more cohesive case together tomorrow after work, but I just want you all to know my stance before I get to that.

I find it unlikely, already, that I will be unvoting Jay today.
First of all, the orange thing just looks fake.

More importantly, Ender's entrance into this Day 3 featured some direct quotes of other players to ask questions, make assertions, or answer prompts. That can reflect a concerted effort to engage. I, the player receiving the immediate Day 3 vote, get this third-person perspective criticism as an appeal to the reading audience, and not to me. Ender: if you should be directly engaging with anyone in this game thread right now, it's me.

Looks like agenda.

As a separate, perhaps less important point (green): have you ever seen me play before? I don't think we have been in the same game.
I've watched and read and had a few people tell me about you. Hence the "I really wanted you to be town" thing. Because I've been told you are the glue that makes a good town.

I don't actually think we've played together before.

Why should I be directly interacting with you most of all? I have stated I have a read.

I have stated I'm building a case.

Until I'm set on that case I have no direct reason to interact with you since my reasons amount to "Mah feelungs" and that means negative import.

I'm instead appealing to the general consensus to see if they think or agree with me, while building a case.

This is not the first time I've done it this way, albeit usually I try to have part of a case ready but I'm ngl I'm dealing with other stuff and don't have as much time as I'd like.

If I were to ignore my case or my thoughts though, and because you've specifically asked:

Talk to me about my reads list, ignoring myself and yourself, and tell me which parts you disagree with and why? I can provide more clarity on my thoughts if you need them on specific slots.

Talk to me about your own reads list, or whatever you have of it since I recall you said you were going to throw it out.
by EnderWiggin
Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:34 am
Forum: Previous Hustles
Topic: Halvøsen Ridge [MAFIA WIN]
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Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 3]

Alison wrote: Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:57 am
EnderWiggin wrote: Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:29 am Lemme just do a quick sort:

Boquise
Creature
Dyslexicon

Alison
RondoDimBuckle
lucy

Marmot
NateTheLesser
fingersplints

JaggedJimmyJay

EnderWiggin

Note: This is not a thorough rereading, just wanted to get my current state of the game thoughts into thread.

My Dizzy D1 read will have to be re-evalled. I can't hold that one just because I think I have meta. I will not lie that I am pre-disposed to thinking town. Will appreciate other reads.

Creature is not a slot I think we should care about today. If he is scum then he's on the back of several other good scum but I honestly think EOD1 is just kinda clearing for him.

Boq is my blind spot and the fact that he was the first one to bring up the JJJ/Him/Alison probable wolf is just browny points and I love it.
This isn't a horrible readslist. I would put Dizzy lower but it seems like you are re-evalling him anyway. I think Creature is town too but for slightly different reasons - he showed up at two EODs where a town LHF was run down and spent the entire time bitching and whining about how we're getting it wrong when he could have just sat there, voteparked falcon/Wilgy and started eating popcorn if he was scum.

How confident are you on your Rondo read?
Mmmm. I wanna say 70%ish.

There's a real chance he could be playing into my blind spots but I don't think he'd be able to do it this smoothly first time as scum in forum, if that makes sense?
by EnderWiggin
Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:33 am
Forum: Previous Hustles
Topic: Halvøsen Ridge [MAFIA WIN]
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Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 3]

Alison wrote: Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:51 am
EnderWiggin wrote: Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:23 am
Alison wrote: Sun Jul 03, 2022 12:41 am I have a kinda busy day today, so I'll be around slightly less. (Will still be around though.) Will be totally free tomorrow.

It feels like fingersplints was saved by this last minute Wilgy wagon and she is currently my top suspect.
Why wasn't I saved by that EOD wagon?
You could be, you're still in my immediate suspects. I called out finger specifically because I remember she was the lead wagon by a significant amount before. I was absent during the end of EOD and don't know how long you were a lead wagon for (though I know you were a candidate for the exe).
Okay that's a fair reason. I do remember you were not around much at EOD.
by EnderWiggin
Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:39 am
Forum: Previous Hustles
Topic: Halvøsen Ridge [MAFIA WIN]
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Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 3]

Actually that last line is a bit overdramatic and might not be true.

I 100% could reread Jay's ISO and could walk out a changed man.

But I don't think it will
by EnderWiggin
Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:35 am
Forum: Previous Hustles
Topic: Halvøsen Ridge [MAFIA WIN]
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Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 3]

Jay? Jay. I wanted you to be town so badly. I really did. I blinded myself when on D1 I sat uncomfortably certain that there was someone very deep into the "mucho town" basket.

But the more I read their ISO the more I just don't think they're trying to cohesively town solve like I've seen them do in the past. I'll try and put a more cohesive case together tomorrow after work, but I just want you all to know my stance before I get to that.

I find it unlikely, already, that I will be unvoting Jay today.
by EnderWiggin
Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:34 am
Forum: Previous Hustles
Topic: Halvøsen Ridge [MAFIA WIN]
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Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 3]

Marmot/Nate/FS is my general POE by nature of the fact I don't townread them right now. I can't say I have super fos on any of them other than a lingering fos on Marmot (Although they get to be the top of this little list because their late D2 actually felt really good to my jellicles).

Nate I ... honestly don't have a read on. They feel out of sync with thread in a way that isn't towny like I normally make that read. They had an explanation for it when brought up earlier, which is good, but I don't know if I believe they couldn't fake that explanation as wolf.

Fingersplints just doesn't feel invested in solving. Their takes feel like a wolf not willing to make hard aggressive moves.
by EnderWiggin
Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:31 am
Forum: Previous Hustles
Topic: Halvøsen Ridge [MAFIA WIN]
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Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 3]

Alison I'm more paranoid of because I very easily townread her solving style even when she's wolf. That being said usually there's a little discordance I'm not seeing here. So either I'm jiving with a wolf or she's actually town with me.

Rondo is playing into his town style. I actually think he has to be town here. There's the paranoia that I know he could have faked this level of progression irl, but the reason I'm almost ready to give him the 100%?
He hasn't played wolf in forum before and I honestly think the headstate is not there in forum mafia to pull this level out just yet. Sorry for the disrespectish read. =P

Lucy I keep going back and forth on. Her D3 start has made me feel good but I'd be lying if I said it was certainly town. I want at least some reads from her, though, as I think I will have a better grasp of her slot once I see content.
by EnderWiggin
Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:29 am
Forum: Previous Hustles
Topic: Halvøsen Ridge [MAFIA WIN]
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Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 3]

Lemme just do a quick sort:

Boquise
Creature
Dyslexicon

Alison
RondoDimBuckle
lucy

Marmot
NateTheLesser
fingersplints

JaggedJimmyJay

EnderWiggin

Note: This is not a thorough rereading, just wanted to get my current state of the game thoughts into thread.

My Dizzy D1 read will have to be re-evalled. I can't hold that one just because I think I have meta. I will not lie that I am pre-disposed to thinking town. Will appreciate other reads.

Creature is not a slot I think we should care about today. If he is scum then he's on the back of several other good scum but I honestly think EOD1 is just kinda clearing for him.

Boq is my blind spot and the fact that he was the first one to bring up the JJJ/Him/Alison probable wolf is just browny points and I love it.
by EnderWiggin
Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:26 am
Forum: Previous Hustles
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Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 3]

Alison wrote: Sun Jul 03, 2022 5:44 am I'm pretty sure Creature is town.
Low key same.
by EnderWiggin
Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:25 am
Forum: Previous Hustles
Topic: Halvøsen Ridge [MAFIA WIN]
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Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 3]

lucy wrote: Sun Jul 03, 2022 4:00 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Sun Jul 03, 2022 3:55 am
Boquise wrote: Sun Jul 03, 2022 3:25 am Anyway, this kill indicates at least 1 scum inside Me/JJJ/Alison.

Alison wouldnt really be the kill if town though since she got sussed yesterday.
Why does the kill indicate that
I thought the kill directly points to you, by keeping you and Alison alive it makes it confirmed one is mafia or you'd be killed off more expeditiously before a solve can happen
I like the cut of your jib.
by EnderWiggin
Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:24 am
Forum: Previous Hustles
Topic: Halvøsen Ridge [MAFIA WIN]
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Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 3]

Boquise wrote: Sun Jul 03, 2022 3:25 am Anyway, this kill indicates at least 1 scum inside Me/JJJ/Alison.

Alison wouldnt really be the kill if town though since she got sussed yesterday.
I'm going to point back at a certain shirt pulling thing I got sussed a bunch over on D1.

Just saying
by EnderWiggin
Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:23 am
Forum: Previous Hustles
Topic: Halvøsen Ridge [MAFIA WIN]
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Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 3]

Alison wrote: Sun Jul 03, 2022 12:41 am I have a kinda busy day today, so I'll be around slightly less. (Will still be around though.) Will be totally free tomorrow.

It feels like fingersplints was saved by this last minute Wilgy wagon and she is currently my top suspect.
Why wasn't I saved by that EOD wagon?
by EnderWiggin
Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:23 am
Forum: Previous Hustles
Topic: Halvøsen Ridge [MAFIA WIN]
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Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 3]

RondoDimBuckle wrote: Sun Jul 03, 2022 12:22 am Ok @EnderWiggin You had to know this was coming. I need to pull you out of your meme-zone and get you to participate. We have 4 flips and you are on both wagons. Wiggly has stated to yeet you as a legacy. Lets hear it
Hey @RondoDimBuckle, you had to know this was coming. I need to pull you out of your meme-zone and get you to participate. We have 4 flips, and you were on none of the EOD wagons. No one asked to kill you as a legacy. Let's hear it.
by EnderWiggin
Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:21 am
Forum: Previous Hustles
Topic: Halvøsen Ridge [MAFIA WIN]
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Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 3]

Marmot wrote: Sun Jul 03, 2022 12:03 am I'm going to make an extremely wild read and say that everyone who has posted so far today is town, and the wolves are just silently sitting in wolf chat.
I'm gonna put a big ol' "why" in that response?
by EnderWiggin
Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:20 am
Forum: Previous Hustles
Topic: Halvøsen Ridge [MAFIA WIN]
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Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 2]

RondoDimBuckle wrote: Sun Jul 03, 2022 12:03 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2022 7:46 pm
Marmot wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2022 7:40 pm What do you make of the game state right now? Do you have a decent grasp on who you think the wolves could be?
Turbulent. The vibe is good, but the solving is turbulent. I still feel mostly okay about this POE group, perhaps with Wilgy added:

Creature
Dyslexicon
EnderWiggin
fingersplints
RondoDimBuckle

While acknowledging town accounts exist for these slots. Much of my own turbulence is that many suspects I have called out have been vouched for by someone, often by a town read. That can be healthy enough, but it's challenging. Maybe this is how mountainous feels.
Has this changed at all?
Hey Rondo.

If I told you there was a wolf in that list, who would you say it was?
by EnderWiggin
Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:18 am
Forum: Previous Hustles
Topic: Halvøsen Ridge [MAFIA WIN]
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Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 3]

Marmot wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 9:54 pm Things I noticed when rereading Alison's Day 2.


I feel that Alison has had a less than significant impact on this game, which is why I wanted to review her. There are a couple players in this game who know my meta well enough that I think it would be basically a scum claim for them to scumread me. Alison is one of them, and she has offered defenses of me throughout the game thus far, which I think is a good sign that she is town.

I reread some of her ISO from Rave Master Mafia (where she was mafia recently), and she made a BS case on sean in that game (it was an omgus case, and also a bad case on sincerity). I haven't seen anything like that here, nor have I seen some other patterns from that game, such as bringing up players to talk about without mentioning why she wants to talk about them. Alison is talking about players here with much more specificity. Alison does have a very different position in the thread. She was under heavy duress in that game from the getgo, and on a two-person mafia team with an afk teammate. She is fairly unanimous town in this game.

I do disagree with Alison's case on the fingersplints case. My confidence is starting to wane on that read as the game goes on and we keep missing wolves, but I still believe in it. Per the case in P#2293, I think that point number 4 is massive town ndicator, and I put more stock into that than the other points against her. But I do like that Alison brought up that point.
Why is there so much padding on this read/post, Marmot?

You say like three things that are completely waffling and give nothing.
by EnderWiggin
Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:17 am
Forum: Previous Hustles
Topic: Halvøsen Ridge [MAFIA WIN]
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Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 3]

lucy wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 9:11 pm
NateTheLesser wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 9:10 pm
lucy wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 9:06 pm that was unexpected
Who was your guess?
Alison or boq
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by EnderWiggin
Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:16 am
Forum: Previous Hustles
Topic: Halvøsen Ridge [MAFIA WIN]
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Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 3]

NateTheLesser wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 9:09 pm What do we think of Dizzy?
Maybe still town.
by EnderWiggin
Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:14 am
Forum: Previous Hustles
Topic: Halvøsen Ridge [MAFIA WIN]
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Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 3]

Alison wrote: Sun Jul 03, 2022 5:50 am
lucy wrote: Sun Jul 03, 2022 4:00 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Sun Jul 03, 2022 3:55 am
Boquise wrote: Sun Jul 03, 2022 3:25 am Anyway, this kill indicates at least 1 scum inside Me/JJJ/Alison.

Alison wouldnt really be the kill if town though since she got sussed yesterday.
Why does the kill indicate that
I thought the kill directly points to you, by keeping you and Alison alive it makes it confirmed one is mafia or you'd be killed off more expeditiously before a solve can happen
I agree with Boq that JJJ/Boq were the two most likely shot targets for mafia to make last night. (As he says, I don't think I'd be shot because I had some sus on me, and those two had none.) There are two main possibilities in my mind:

1) JJJ/Boq has a mafia in it.
2) Seanzie was tunnelling a mafia and was killed for his reads.

If it is 1), I'd say it's more likely to be JJJ. If it's 2), it's probably Ender.

I have limited time today and will likely be focusing on those two + fingersplints as my priority investigations.
Seanzie was far from tunnelling me what???

Also if it's me I don't kill Seanzie here tbh. Depending on my partners I want to kill in the ... Actually with the sus on Jay and you last phase I could kill Seanzie.

That thought went no where rip.
by EnderWiggin
Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:12 am
Forum: Previous Hustles
Topic: Halvøsen Ridge [MAFIA WIN]
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Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 3]

[VOTE: JJJ] aubergine

Hi.

I'm now here, have read nothing, and feel like hot shit.

But on the upside I feel like I'm hot, so a win for self esteem.
by EnderWiggin
Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:19 pm
Forum: Previous Hustles
Topic: Halvøsen Ridge [MAFIA WIN]
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Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 2]

Dyslexicon wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:17 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:16 pmMountainous can be won vs strong players as long as town finds each other.
I found Sean. I guess I found you, but that feels more like a hostage situation tbh
Don't hate me, I'm just good with ropes
by EnderWiggin
Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:16 pm
Forum: Previous Hustles
Topic: Halvøsen Ridge [MAFIA WIN]
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Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 2]

Dyslexicon wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:15 pm
Marmot wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:14 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:13 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:11 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:10 pm @EnderWiggin I just want you to know that I hated your clothes tugging post and I don't know why I don't wolf read you. I really don't.
If Jay is wolf I'm going to point at that clothes tugging post as me getting it before anyone else =P
I think it's more likely that Alison is wolf than Jay. We'll see though. Either way, town lost at rand, and for once it was not because of me! (for the post cred)

GTFO with that talk
It's just a fact of mountainous with strong players tbh.

But I still believe. A little.
Mountainous can be won vs strong players as long as town finds each other.
by EnderWiggin
Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:15 pm
Forum: Previous Hustles
Topic: Halvøsen Ridge [MAFIA WIN]
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Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 2]

lucy wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:14 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:13 pm
lucy wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:12 pm explain ur thoughts on me a little, thanks @EnderWiggin
God I wish I had thoughts on you that made sense.

(I started early with a townread, your D2 reads have not made me put you in my core of town and you're slowly trending down as other people towntell more to me, but I don't have explicit thoughts you're scum yet?)
scum lean or neutral
Neutral with a healthy dose of questionmarks.
by EnderWiggin
Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:14 pm
Forum: Previous Hustles
Topic: Halvøsen Ridge [MAFIA WIN]
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Views: 182967

Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 2]

NateTheLesser wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:12 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:11 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:08 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:06 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:04 pm AT most one wolf in Dizzy/Boq/Rondo tbh.

But I think there's none.
Can you walk me through that thinking?
Dizzy is town.

Boq is town.

You are town.

I individually townread you all. I don't think wolves have me so snowed that I have all the wolves as town, or even two wolves.

So at most one wolf, in my opinion, in that stack.

But probably none because sometimes I'm good at the game.
Ok thanks, the contradiction between the two original statements had me at odds

Snowed? Thats bamboozled by another name right?
I thought you both spoke Australian.
He speaks something else and we pretend it's Aussie.
by EnderWiggin
Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:13 pm
Forum: Previous Hustles
Topic: Halvøsen Ridge [MAFIA WIN]
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Views: 182967

Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 2]

lucy wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:12 pm explain ur thoughts on me a little, thanks @EnderWiggin
God I wish I had thoughts on you that made sense.

(I started early with a townread, your D2 reads have not made me put you in my core of town and you're slowly trending down as other people towntell more to me, but I don't have explicit thoughts you're scum yet?)
by EnderWiggin
Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:12 pm
Forum: Previous Hustles
Topic: Halvøsen Ridge [MAFIA WIN]
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Views: 182967

Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 2]

RondoDimBuckle wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:11 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:08 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:06 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:04 pm AT most one wolf in Dizzy/Boq/Rondo tbh.

But I think there's none.
Can you walk me through that thinking?
Dizzy is town.

Boq is town.

You are town.

I individually townread you all. I don't think wolves have me so snowed that I have all the wolves as town, or even two wolves.

So at most one wolf, in my opinion, in that stack.

But probably none because sometimes I'm good at the game.
Ok thanks, the contradiction between the two original statements had me at odds

Snowed? Thats bamboozled by another name right?
Yes
by EnderWiggin
Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:11 pm
Forum: Previous Hustles
Topic: Halvøsen Ridge [MAFIA WIN]
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Views: 182967

Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 2]

Dyslexicon wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:10 pm @EnderWiggin I just want you to know that I hated your clothes tugging post and I don't know why I don't wolf read you. I really don't.
If Jay is wolf I'm going to point at that clothes tugging post as me getting it before anyone else =P
by EnderWiggin
Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:08 pm
Forum: Previous Hustles
Topic: Halvøsen Ridge [MAFIA WIN]
Replies: 5782
Views: 182967

Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 2]

RondoDimBuckle wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:06 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:04 pm AT most one wolf in Dizzy/Boq/Rondo tbh.

But I think there's none.
Can you walk me through that thinking?
Dizzy is town.

Boq is town.

You are town.

I individually townread you all. I don't think wolves have me so snowed that I have all the wolves as town, or even two wolves.

So at most one wolf, in my opinion, in that stack.

But probably none because sometimes I'm good at the game.

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