Yes.
If I step back and assume it isn't you, I probably want to look at LC and maybe re-eval MR. Porscha is possible.
I do want to defend fingers because at least this day phase I've vibed with her content, which tends towards town more than not.
Return to “Veggie Wars Mafia [TOWN WIN]”
Yes.
I don't know if I really believe that read to be the case but to explain my thought as I read it:Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 7:03 pmyeah single sentences that reveal particularly nothing substantial does not equal over explainy wolf read. nice reach thoughEnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 6:45 pmUnnecessary over-explainy wolf read?Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 11:36 pm I can't believe my boy wilgy has been lost so early he was only strong town read ;(
uuuuh I still don't have a reason to not really still read MR maf like I did day 1
hate the way NAA is playing on his reads
I felt nanook was a decent town read so I'm not surprised they died n1
if mafia are smart they will keep me around b/c I'm bad at this game and probably won't make strong pushes
also can't believe dunya said with cucumber dead their hopes of innuendos goes out the door like ... damn that hurts me (a sweet, innocent eggplant) T.T![]()
Lol alright.NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 6:54 pmIt was a joke to motivate more people to vote on obv!mafia Falcon.EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 6:46 pmWhy did you feel the need to self pres less than 12 hours into the game NAA?
I do like me some frozen vegetables.
Nod nodfingersplints wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 3:40 pm I don’t think LC and falcon are paired, so if falcon flips mafia than LC is ok
I'm going to point out that you should be aware that Mac's D1/D2 sus on me is exists in most games regardless of our alignments.NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 12:32 pmI don't understand how that matters, if Mac is muted 1 day, and has a confidently incorrect read the next day, why should my reaction be anything other than to vote Mac? Should I give Mac a free ride to victory every game because he's within his meta while completely ignoring his game impact and accuracy?fingersplints wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 11:14 amIs that not standard for Mac though?NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:58 amIt's not THAT he suspects him, it's HOW he approached the read. Mac came in with a very clear intention to take over the thread, and succeeded.Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:47 amWhy? Because Mac suspects Ender?NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:40 am TBH, I'm kind of surprised that Ender isn't voting Mac, because I see no way Mac and Ender can both be town.
I treat this type of play from Mac (yes, within his meta) as a difference check between him and Ender. I think it's the only way to play, otherwise as Mac... Just do this every game, profit as scum, and it likely doesn't affect town win rate all that much because you allow other people to take the D1 kill and just swoop in with what you want D2.
This is a good post from Seanzie.Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 12:10 pmEh, I don't like this. NAA has given a lot of thoughts on you. Are some of them kinda reachy? Sure, but he gave reasons for him pushing you. Pretending like he hasn't and only just now started "playing" is pretty meh.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 10:00 amOh, you're playing now? ExcellentNotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:58 amIt's not THAT he suspects him, it's HOW he approached the read. Mac came in with a very clear intention to take over the thread, and succeeded.Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:47 amWhy? Because Mac suspects Ender?NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:40 am TBH, I'm kind of surprised that Ender isn't voting Mac, because I see no way Mac and Ender can both be town.
What's your take on Porscha & fingers?
Kinda starting to think NAA might be on to something.
Fun fact: I think we are at this juncture.NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:40 am TBH, I'm kind of surprised that Ender isn't voting Mac, because I see no way Mac and Ender can both be town.
I'm putting Fingersplints at mild town for being not worried about the trend disagreeing with my thought about LC's swap and pointing it out again.fingersplints wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 6:19 amI find this exchange interesting given Nanook was the one killed. This plus LC’s vote on ender with comments like thisNANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Mar 26, 2022 5:11 pmYou're making me increasingly nervousLime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Mar 26, 2022 5:10 pmHis attempts to gain any sort of read with what little the game had to offer early, kind of his reaction to me townreading him for the least amount needed at that moment, a bit of his approach to me felt like town.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Mar 26, 2022 5:08 pmWhyLime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Mar 26, 2022 5:01 pmI think he's town, really.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Mar 26, 2022 5:00 pmWhy is it scummy to vote scum?Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Mar 26, 2022 4:39 pm Like the main thing that's wolfy on Falcon is just the fact that his vote has been on Ender all day and I don't remember him doing anything else.
Which is close to Fleabag where he just voted Illario all game but yeah.
Like what is everyone else seeing that I'm not seeing?
Ender's scum btw
Probably most confident read currently.
I'll happily admit my current play is within both town and scum range. But the problem is most of my play is exactly that lol.fingersplints wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 6:13 amI agree to this that I can’t see falcon or ender paired, and potentially a flip on one could be enlightening about the other.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:50 pmI don't mind killing Falcon first because it's entirely possible he's mafia from my backread. I am just reading you as much more likely to be mafia than him, and I don't see you paired.EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:47 pmI mean I straight up think MR is town from EOD yesterday.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:45 pmSo you don't think they can be a team at all and I only think that is the only logical team that MR makes sense to be in otherwise he would have just put his vote back on Falcon so he wouldn't be in the rand.EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:43 pmIf it is Falcon/MR why didn't they just vote Seanzie earlier? In actual fact I think MR/Falcon is the least likely team from that rand because MR started the votes on Falcon in a volatile situation.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:32 pmAlso MR can literally only be mafia with Falcon here due to VC. If MR was mafia with anyone else then there would not have been a 4 way rand and MR would not have been close. I do not think that is the team.Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Mar 26, 2022 6:03 pm Current votes for the record:
Wilgy - 2 (falc, MR)
falcon - 2 (NAA, LC)
MR - 2 (Porscha, Wilgy)
Seanzie - 2 (Ender, Nook)
No other votes
In fact, I don't believe any wolves were in this rand, for similar reasons.
Falc I don't think is so cleared from that because EOD was kinda quiet. It was Me/LC/MR/A little bit of NAA/Falc from memory.
I’m not sure I see the case on Ender yet; his behaviour seems pretty standard of his town game for me but I can’t actually recall his mafia game either. So I guess I’d prefer falcon of the two based on my gut feelings here based on past play with him.
Why did you feel the need to self pres less than 12 hours into the game NAA?
Unnecessary over-explainy wolf read?Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 11:36 pm I can't believe my boy wilgy has been lost so early he was only strong town read ;(
uuuuh I still don't have a reason to not really still read MR maf like I did day 1
hate the way NAA is playing on his reads
I felt nanook was a decent town read so I'm not surprised they died n1
if mafia are smart they will keep me around b/c I'm bad at this game and probably won't make strong pushes
also can't believe dunya said with cucumber dead their hopes of innuendos goes out the door like ... damn that hurts me (a sweet, innocent eggplant) T.T
Idk if it's a good read but the way this reads list feels disjointed from like, anyone else with patchwork connection of reads feels actually better from Falc than D1 felt.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 9:06 pm Town lean Sean, MR.
Porscha is pretty null atm
POE NAA, Mac, Ender, LC
Also just gonna throw this in, but if it felt like I was attacking you directly that was not the intention, sorry. Was more a throwaway about the state of inactivity in the game from D1 and annoyance at that rather than at you specifically.Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 8:57 pmThe point was that while I did miss most of D1, I literally made an effort to actually show up at D2 and give a crap just to get accosted right out the gate.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 8:26 pmIs a pattern necessary for you to be Maf? I don't think so.Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:15 pmSeems kinda hostile. I missed one day, one instance does not make a pattern.EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:12 pm Seanzie, I will vote you out if all you do this game is make a joke at daystart and fuck off.
And I won't even feel bad if you're town.
You did have a nice pun to start this RD, but I need more than awesome jokes from you plz
MR put Falcon in the mix in the first place I thought. If he hadn't started that wagon at EOD it wouldn't have existed.Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 8:47 pmEh, I don't really agree with this. Before Falcon was in the tie, MR was calling for a rand (like when LC asked if he should vote me, MR encouraged it to make tiezilla happen), and then Falcon ended up joining the mix because Ender and LC both jumped on me simultaneously, putting me ahead, and then LC moved to Falcon to 4-way-tie it. If MR would have THEN moved to Falcon, breaking the tie after having rescinded his strong scumread on Falcon, that would have been super sus.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:45 pmSo you don't think they can be a team at all and I only think that is the only logical team that MR makes sense to be in otherwise he would have just put his vote back on Falcon so he wouldn't be in the rand.EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:43 pmIf it is Falcon/MR why didn't they just vote Seanzie earlier? In actual fact I think MR/Falcon is the least likely team from that rand because MR started the votes on Falcon in a volatile situation.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:32 pmAlso MR can literally only be mafia with Falcon here due to VC. If MR was mafia with anyone else then there would not have been a 4 way rand and MR would not have been close. I do not think that is the team.Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Mar 26, 2022 6:03 pm Current votes for the record:
Wilgy - 2 (falc, MR)
falcon - 2 (NAA, LC)
MR - 2 (Porscha, Wilgy)
Seanzie - 2 (Ender, Nook)
No other votes
In fact, I don't believe any wolves were in this rand, for similar reasons.
Meh. I could be wrong. Just felt really fucking weird when you ended last day with "Ender is town" as your "Most confident read" and then flipped it on me the moment someone big came at me.Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 7:06 pmThis wouldn't be happening if I didn't misclear you about 3 games by now, as I was putting in effort to actually read you.EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:58 pmI was also your "Most confident townread" on day 1 here too.Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:55 pmI've townread you pretty strongly every game when you were a wolf.EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:52 pmMmmm.
I'm gonna re-read it a little but I'm actually thinking this might be LC wolf here.
LC has been scared of me as wolf in the past because I've grasped his meta outside his angry play pretty well. This feels like him grasping a chance to push against me while someone else has the blame for the reasons when I flip town.
I'm busy atm and will need to leave soon but that is definitely a possibility. (Mac not paired in that case.)
So are you really not considering this when looking at that?
Yet you've shown doubt about your townread before when it feels like winds are blowing against me. You never commit to being my biggest detractor, and "sheeping Mac" is a great excuse for it.
That being said, I'm not 100% sure this does fit your meta, it was just a thought when seeing you play metronome with your stance.
I was also your "Most confident townread" on day 1 here too.Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:55 pmI've townread you pretty strongly every game when you were a wolf.EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:52 pmMmmm.
I'm gonna re-read it a little but I'm actually thinking this might be LC wolf here.
LC has been scared of me as wolf in the past because I've grasped his meta outside his angry play pretty well. This feels like him grasping a chance to push against me while someone else has the blame for the reasons when I flip town.
I'm busy atm and will need to leave soon but that is definitely a possibility. (Mac not paired in that case.)
So are you really not considering this when looking at that?
In my defense I wasn't the first to bring it up. I was pointing something about it out.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:52 pm We don't use wifom NKA to defend ourselves from a spurious early day 2 push Ender lol. Come on now.
Nanook scumread me on D1 pretty sure. =PMacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:51 pmIf the latter is the reality how does it imply you're not a wolf?EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:50 pmDoesn't that imply I'm not wolf though?MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:48 pm Nook death would at level 1 imply a team of like Seanzie/Falcon or something which is just like ... okay if that's the team and the town fucked d1 up that hard then lol I guess. More likely is that he was chosen to die specifically because his reads were not good and the mafia wanted them to be sheeped.
Also actually on that note me as wolf probably doesn't N1 Nanook because it takes a while for him to solidify on me being wolf and there are bigger threats to me.
Mmmm.
Doesn't that imply I'm not wolf though?MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:48 pm Nook death would at level 1 imply a team of like Seanzie/Falcon or something which is just like ... okay if that's the team and the town fucked d1 up that hard then lol I guess. More likely is that he was chosen to die specifically because his reads were not good and the mafia wanted them to be sheeped.
I'm happy to help that. I just wanted to point it out because I felt the team was flawed lol.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:47 pmPoint being here is that you're helping the argument I already had that MR isn't mafia and that you were trying to pocket him lol.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:45 pmSo you don't think they can be a team at all and I only think that is the only logical team that MR makes sense to be in otherwise he would have just put his vote back on Falcon so he wouldn't be in the rand.EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:43 pmIf it is Falcon/MR why didn't they just vote Seanzie earlier? In actual fact I think MR/Falcon is the least likely team from that rand because MR started the votes on Falcon in a volatile situation.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:32 pmAlso MR can literally only be mafia with Falcon here due to VC. If MR was mafia with anyone else then there would not have been a 4 way rand and MR would not have been close. I do not think that is the team.Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Mar 26, 2022 6:03 pm Current votes for the record:
Wilgy - 2 (falc, MR)
falcon - 2 (NAA, LC)
MR - 2 (Porscha, Wilgy)
Seanzie - 2 (Ender, Nook)
No other votes
In fact, I don't believe any wolves were in this rand, for similar reasons.
I mean I straight up think MR is town from EOD yesterday.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:45 pmSo you don't think they can be a team at all and I only think that is the only logical team that MR makes sense to be in otherwise he would have just put his vote back on Falcon so he wouldn't be in the rand.EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:43 pmIf it is Falcon/MR why didn't they just vote Seanzie earlier? In actual fact I think MR/Falcon is the least likely team from that rand because MR started the votes on Falcon in a volatile situation.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:32 pmAlso MR can literally only be mafia with Falcon here due to VC. If MR was mafia with anyone else then there would not have been a 4 way rand and MR would not have been close. I do not think that is the team.Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Mar 26, 2022 6:03 pm Current votes for the record:
Wilgy - 2 (falc, MR)
falcon - 2 (NAA, LC)
MR - 2 (Porscha, Wilgy)
Seanzie - 2 (Ender, Nook)
No other votes
In fact, I don't believe any wolves were in this rand, for similar reasons.
If it is Falcon/MR why didn't they just vote Seanzie earlier? In actual fact I think MR/Falcon is the least likely team from that rand because MR started the votes on Falcon in a volatile situation.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:32 pmAlso MR can literally only be mafia with Falcon here due to VC. If MR was mafia with anyone else then there would not have been a 4 way rand and MR would not have been close. I do not think that is the team.Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Mar 26, 2022 6:03 pm Current votes for the record:
Wilgy - 2 (falc, MR)
falcon - 2 (NAA, LC)
MR - 2 (Porscha, Wilgy)
Seanzie - 2 (Ender, Nook)
No other votes
In fact, I don't believe any wolves were in this rand, for similar reasons.
Out of curiosity, why are you so sure Falcon is scum?NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:26 pmYou and falcon?MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:24 pm I'm not gonna lie. I solved the game overnight. Like legit know who both mafia are. The town in this game should feel very bad.
Oh, is this round 36 of "Mac comes into a game and locks Ender as mafia"?MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:39 pmYou are not going to enjoy what you returned to.EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:37 pm I think this counts as the first time I've been busy this game and came back to a bunch of posts. And by busy I mean for like 30m rather than 12 hours.
A good 50% of it hasn't existed as actual content.Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:25 pmWhat is wrong with the content this game?EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:22 pmI'm not particularly happy with the content of the game and if you posted once and disappeared it would have just hurt more.Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:15 pmSeems kinda hostile. I missed one day, one instance does not make a pattern.EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:12 pm Seanzie, I will vote you out if all you do this game is make a joke at daystart and fuck off.
And I won't even feel bad if you're town.
I'm not particularly happy with the content of the game and if you posted once and disappeared it would have just hurt more.Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:15 pmSeems kinda hostile. I missed one day, one instance does not make a pattern.EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:12 pm Seanzie, I will vote you out if all you do this game is make a joke at daystart and fuck off.
And I won't even feel bad if you're town.
I want to say yes but I will disappoint the rand gods so no.Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Mar 26, 2022 5:56 pmShould we just get him?EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Mar 26, 2022 5:54 pm I'm actually thinking Wilgy is more scum now, that response about MR is kinda weak.
Actually used the search function and found this so actually Wilgy was right that I missed something.
I literally just looked through your ISO.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 26, 2022 5:54 pmWrong. More. Wiggin is wolfEnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Mar 26, 2022 5:53 pm"It is entirely possible MR is wolf"DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 26, 2022 5:52 pmLies. I spoke about the Mr.EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Mar 26, 2022 5:39 pm My other doubt is that Wilgy has been poking at Falcon but isn't even voting him and has said nothing about MR his current vote
Okay I stand corrected, one throwaway line
"It is entirely possible MR is wolf"DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 26, 2022 5:52 pmLies. I spoke about the Mr.EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Mar 26, 2022 5:39 pm My other doubt is that Wilgy has been poking at Falcon but isn't even voting him and has said nothing about MR his current vote