The Syndicate

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:41 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:40 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:39 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:39 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:36 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:35 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:34 am mac as a wolf takes me in as a partner and makes me a miniwolf, mac as town pushes me for something stupid. every time.

I guess ender is also stupid

no ender's just a wolf

Lmao.

wolfy response to being called a wolf

Lmao.

this fucking game man

Watchu mean?

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:41 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:41 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:39 am Mac how could I get mad while listening to this>?

>Matryoshka.

Good taste.

I don't know the rest.

I'm not actually listening to that

I'm listening to this

And that I don't know at all. Has a nice beat to start tho.

Welcome to my time to actually care about reading this thread in depth.

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:39 am Mac how could I get mad while listening to this>?

>Matryoshka.

Good taste.

I don't know the rest.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:39 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:39 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:36 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:35 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:34 am mac as a wolf takes me in as a partner and makes me a miniwolf, mac as town pushes me for something stupid. every time.

I guess ender is also stupid

no ender's just a wolf

Lmao.

wolfy response to being called a wolf

Lmao.

Alright, there.

Caught up.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:36 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:35 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:34 am mac as a wolf takes me in as a partner and makes me a miniwolf, mac as town pushes me for something stupid. every time.

I guess ender is also stupid

no ender's just a wolf

Lmao.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:36 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:34 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:32 am Esooa somehow playing a game with continual hostile town flare ups and remaining chill is crazy to me though. Until she joins the fuckfest I am still sus.

would you like me to start calling you names?

...

yes I would actually

Uhhhhhh

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:35 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:34 am mac as a wolf takes me in as a partner and makes me a miniwolf, mac as town pushes me for something stupid. every time.

I guess ender is also stupid

Yeah. It's true.

I am.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:32 am I do think wiml is town. I just identify so hard with his feels.

I think Alexa is town. Ilario from her read sure.

Esooa somehow playing a game with continual hostile town flare ups and remaining chill is crazy to me though. Until she joins the fuckfest I am still sus.

Ender also town for being a baby at times.

Yeah this feels GTO.

Lmao.

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:26 am the wolves are all in TSP/Nanook/Mac/Wiml

7-2

3 misses

4 person PoE wins

Time to pack it up

I can get behind this.

Wiml wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:16 am You jumped straight to accusing me without trying to understand what I was saying lol.

I do not have the time nor patience after long day at work to sit comfortably down with everyone who calls my takes bad and sip tea while discussing the relative badness of every action.

You have literally never seen me do that.

Why would you expect me to start doing that now?

Come on Wiml, we've played a handful of games together, and I KNOW you've read over others.

You've seen me react badly when I think people are pushing on me for dumb reasons. (At least I think. I forget which games I've actually done it in.)

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:16 am Honestly the level of tension, hostility and toxicity heavily implies a lot of town on town violence and TSP being mafia. I know I am probably gonna be accused of just pushing a slanker tho. Everything I do is scummy.

HOW DARE YOU PUSH A SLANKER! YOU'RE SCUM!!?!!

Is that good enough?

Wiml wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:15 am Ender aren't you curious why I actually thought your reaction was bad?

Sure.

Let's hear it.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:11 am Yes he is. Hence I am voting him.

This is a vote I kinda can get behind.

That dumb tell makes me doubt my TSP meta.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:10 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:06 am

Wiml wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:47 am Ender's reaction to the case on me is really bad.

Are you just going to call everything I do bad?

I honestly can't take your actions in good faith right now.

honestly there's a lot of "how dare you scumread me" going around in this game and like guess what townies scumread townies in good faith literally all the time. That read he made was something I agreed with. I thought you reaction to Esooa was opportunistic and appeasing and made my face scrunch up.

Hey look I made another scummy post.

I don't care if you scumread me. I get scumread a lot in Basic Mafia and never was bothered by it.

In this case I'm being pushed on for, for the most part, reasons that make very little sense to me. I'm being told that I'm not allowed to have my own takes on a game, or that my takes on the game are bad.

Sure, I might not be a good scumhunter. I'll take the L on those times I've fucked up reading people.

But I'm never going to become good again if I stop trying.

And HOW is it opportunistic when I've literally been eh about him in the past and the case just covers over thoughts I've wanted to have validation for?

Wiml wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:09 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:06 am

Wiml wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:47 am Ender's reaction to the case on me is really bad.

Are you just going to call everything I do bad?

I honestly can't take your actions in good faith right now.

This is a bad reaction as well.

Yes. Because our interactions so far have been:
Me: "Wiml might be a wolf for vague reasons, don't push it."
You: "What are your reasons? I've been towny!"
Me: "You haven't done any towntells that I don't think you can fake as mafia."
You: "Towntell? I burnt your last towntell in Scythe."
Me: "I don't like that reaction. Eventually back off to put you closer to null as I scumread Mac and others more."

Esooa: "Here's a case on Wiml."
Me: "Hey that justifies my bad feel about his push back on me earlier also I kinda agree with it."
You: "That's a bad case and a bad reaction."

Almost half our interactions have been you reacting to me because I won't townread you.

I don't know whether that's a scum reaction or a town assuming you should be townread, but I'm never going to like 70% of it.

If you're actually town this game, I don't know how to tell you that telling me that you should be townread is never going to work with me.

And I'm trying to be reasonable about this.

ilario wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:07 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:55 pm [VOTE: wiml] aubergine

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:56 pm transcend you have a chance to save yourself here.

ehhh he kinda did try to get wiml in the end

I mean he swapped back to Transcend after Transcend voted there.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:03 am Look I am being a giant baby but for real yall suck.

At least you're self-aware?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 6:59 am

Wiml wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 6:58 am Mac why are you townreading me now?

Because you are being treated with the same awful bullshit I am being treated with and I imagine that makes you probably town also. Its an awful read nobody should make but fmpov I feel like giving everyone the finger on my way out.

Lmao.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 6:54 am when he's a wolf he just does it

This is a ... 1 on the richter scale.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 6:53 am I'm gonna town lock wiml because it feels like that kinda game where I'm probably right.

Who is the mafia in town wiml land.

Well Ender is like outed. Esooa is clear via Ender reacting to her pushes like a stunned mullet.

Okay nm Mac made a decision already.

Alright.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 6:52 am

Wiml wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:47 am Ender's reaction to the case on me is really bad.

I agree.

So am I scum or is Wiml scum Mac. You have to make up your mind because unless you think this is the most elaborate and theatery bus attempt in history then we're unpartnered as hell.

Wiml wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 6:51 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 6:50 am

Wiml wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 6:43 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 6:36 am Also who do you think is most likely a wolf right now Wiml?

Mac tbh.

But Wiml. We are teammates haven't you heard?

I have a meta of not bussing and now it's time for me to burn it while still outing myself.

Sorry Mac, better luck next time.

I'll give points for getting me to chuckle.

Wiml wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 6:50 am

ilario wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 6:46 am

Wiml wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 6:44 am I posted to early oops.

Just wanted to laugh at illario wolfread me for not writing enough walls this game. Don't tell him lol.

its not that, i just dont really see u solving any alignments

if ur town the best thing u can do here is to just ignore all the pressure and figure out who else is scum

You have correctly identified that I do zero solving while asleep.

If this is about me being in the thread yesterday, I already said I was not intending of playing the game until after I got up in the morning and only chimed because 1. Whatever Mac was doing was incredibly bad if town and I couldn't hold my tongue and 2. I stuck around purely for the sake of alexa and that's why I only responded to her questions.

Can you give me a current POE/Gamesolve? (Ignore if you already have, I'll see it on catchup)

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 6:48 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 6:46 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 6:17 am To be honest I have no idea how to read Ender, paging Mac/alison/somebody on that one

surely this is a bad derpclear attempt?

i checked back after

Mmm.

I'm liking this less and less tbh TSP.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 6:17 am To be honest I have no idea how to read Ender, paging Mac/alison/somebody on that one

Are you trying to dumbtell TSP?

Wiml wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:47 am Ender's reaction to the case on me is really bad.

Are you just going to call everything I do bad?

I honestly can't take your actions in good faith right now.

Hmm.

Well Esooa has already cased Wiml pretty well.

To avoid the thread becoming tunnelly I'll try and re-check over other people once I'm home.

ilario wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 1:39 am
theres a part in ur case, after u convince him trans is town and then wiml then proceeds to vote mac. the next line u quote is interesting, where he says hes willing to vote nanook. it felt really out of place so i went to control F every in wimls iso to see where he talks about nanook or if he interacts with him

And what'd you find?

Feels really disingenuous and I didn't hard scumread him for it but I didn't like it (As per the follow ups and snark on it.)

I was wondering if it's tunnelvision on my part.

I'll grab it and spoiler gimme a sec

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 1:07 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 1:03 am Ngl those are some pretty nice points.

And makes me feel a lot better about my bad gut reaction to him nitpicking on my "Towntell" posts on him.

Does what I'm trying to say make sense?

To me, yes.

Did you read his interactions with me where he accuses of me lying about the "Towntell"?

Ngl those are some pretty nice points.

And makes me feel a lot better about my bad gut reaction to him nitpicking on my "Towntell" posts on him.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 11:58 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 11:50 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 11:43 pm Ender do you want a town read

That depends on why I'm getting townread.

randomly remember you wolf read Transcend because you got tilted seemed pretty genuine

Like you thought you town read him then you were like ah wait I got tilted and scum read him

If you were a wolf I imagine your thoughts going into your read on him were more artificial, which would be reflected in your remembrance of it

Well, I did townread him.

I just forgot he tilted me later in the day and I flopped on my read.

Why do you townread me?

LC.

What reads do you have not named Alexa

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 11:43 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 11:41 pm I just remembered I tilted at Transcend and kinda sussed him towards the end.

I deserve not even dark knighthood.

Booooooooooooooooooooo

You're not Esooa

Booooooooooooooooooooo

And here I thought my Esooa disguise was perfect

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 11:43 pm Ender do you want a town read

That depends on why I'm getting townread.

I just remembered I tilted at Transcend and kinda sussed him towards the end.

I deserve not even dark knighthood.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 11:38 pm I just spilled water by trying to pour it out of my water bottle into my hand

Why

I shall silently appreciate my own correctness on Transcend.

For I am a dark knight.

Now to disappear for food.

Alright caught up.

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 11:01 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 10:59 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 10:57 pm like your TSP town meta banks on him tryharding every time he is scum but if he tryharded as scum he'd also get townread so the whole thing is dumb

No.

It has nothing to do with him tryharding.

If he's slanking like this the only world he's wolf in is one where one of the townier players is his partner.

That's what I mean.

show proof then

Wait, of what?

That I've played with TSP slanking as town like this?

That I've read games where he only does this as wolf if his partner is in a good position?

Can you clarify pls.

ilario wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 10:58 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 10:56 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 10:20 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:03 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:02 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:39 pm Can I get one combination of two players from each slot that doesn't include your own name that you feel could be w/w.

And if my names is in it, a second?

Also some slots that are absolutely never teamed from your perspective?

my solve before alison died is theres

one in wiml/ender but probably not both
one in nanook/you/tsp but for reasons alluded to earlier i dont think tsp is a hit atp

i can see any combination of these being valid

why

ive done my due diligence and went over my trs, i dont think esooa alexa or lime are maf, if theyre mafia i probably wont find them until much later. ik im town

that leaves me with those 5 names. wiml/ender had some interactions in pg 40-ish that didnt look partnery to me. i already stated earlier why nanook/tsp cant be partners. in a world where wiml/ender are both town i suppose i can see nanook/you team and it was something i was considering around d1 but im struggling to find reasons to townlock either of those 2 as of rn in order to make this a viable world.

Nanook/Mac world would require Mac to make that daystart with partner perma-POE.

I don't think that happens tbh.

It’s not hard to change ur poe, he’s done it like once every hour since day start lol

Talking about consensus POE not his.

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 10:57 pm like your TSP town meta banks on him tryharding every time he is scum but if he tryharded as scum he'd also get townread so the whole thing is dumb

No.

It has nothing to do with him tryharding.

If he's slanking like this the only world he's wolf in is one where one of the townier players is his partner.

That's what I mean.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 10:56 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 10:54 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 10:47 pm @EnderWiggin can you give me a slightly more detailed than usual read on lime coke rn?

Defensiveness is in line with his townplay, but has a lack of range that may be wolf indicative.

He's stylistically bad at expanding beyond his town-shield play when as wolf unless coached.

Have you read his ISO today? Specifically from when he started shielding Alexa through the push on me for voting Transcend yesterday?

I've been at work dealing with a situation where I have not had the time to happily read the game until now.

If you want anything indepth from me please wait until I get home.

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 10:56 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 10:52 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 10:48 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 10:45 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:33 pm i think im comfortable to chop in my original poe

[MAC, Nanook, TSP, Ender]

Honestly think you're townreading at least one wolf here.

why do you think so

TSP town meta. I know I'm town. Nanook/Mac is almost never w/w.

Decent chances one of them is but I don't see Mac making the daystart sacrifice play with both w in POE. Doesn't happen.

your TSP town meta thing seems pretty weak to me

Alright.

What's your TSP read and why?

ilario wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 10:20 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:03 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:02 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:39 pm Can I get one combination of two players from each slot that doesn't include your own name that you feel could be w/w.

And if my names is in it, a second?

Also some slots that are absolutely never teamed from your perspective?

my solve before alison died is theres

one in wiml/ender but probably not both
one in nanook/you/tsp but for reasons alluded to earlier i dont think tsp is a hit atp

i can see any combination of these being valid

why

ive done my due diligence and went over my trs, i dont think esooa alexa or lime are maf, if theyre mafia i probably wont find them until much later. ik im town

that leaves me with those 5 names. wiml/ender had some interactions in pg 40-ish that didnt look partnery to me. i already stated earlier why nanook/tsp cant be partners. in a world where wiml/ender are both town i suppose i can see nanook/you team and it was something i was considering around d1 but im struggling to find reasons to townlock either of those 2 as of rn in order to make this a viable world.

Nanook/Mac world would require Mac to make that daystart with partner perma-POE.

I don't think that happens tbh.