The Syndicate

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:14 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 5:27 am @RondoDimBuckle, I am trying to follow the thread of your play. I see that you did post come consolidated reads of a sort here, and that is appreciated. Two questions:

1) How did you decide on the tiers or groupings of possible mafia in that post?

2) As you play right now and respond to a ton of posts, is that impacting your present view of the game? Does it impact this reads post?
I dont remember putting out a read list? You might be confusing me with someone else?

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RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 10:22 pm My reads so far

Alison !rand
Boquise !rand
Creature !rand
DrWilgy !rand
Dyslexicon !rand
EnderWiggin wolf
falcon45ca !rand
fingersplints !rand
JaggedJimmyJay !rand
lucy !rand
MacDougall !rand
Marmot !rand
NateTheLesser !rand
RondoDimBuckle !rand
Seanzie !rand

[this is a meme brought to you by the tinfoil ender gang]
Unless you count this giant piece of shit
Please quote the read post you mean and I will respond

Rondo there's a link to the post they were referring to.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 4:37 am @RondoDimBuckle, @EnderWiggin -- I get the impression you know each other quite well. Have you been on a mafia team together before?

We know each other irl, we've played werewolf irl together and other social deduction games, and we have been a team together irl.

I recruited him into online play.

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 3:18 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 12:16 am [VOTE: NateTheLesser] aubergine

Honestly don't feel like you care about the current gamestate, why's that?
I said this in more words in response to Alison, but people keep agreeing with my pushes, and it leaves me oddly directionless.

You're disquieted because you think there's a wolf in Alison/Lucy/Jay? Why those 3?

Because the sensation was "Wolves comfortable" which suggests a wolf in towncore and those 3 + Mac + Boq were that towncore. Mac is dead and I might be premature but I've loved Boq's content.

Hence those three.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 6:34 am Rondo's posts are chaos.

I struggle to find concordant processes or threads of thinking to interpret; everything is kaleidoscopic and inscrutable. @RondoDimBuckle you're the only one that can help me to change that, unless anyone else here knows you well and is willing to talk about it (Hi, EnderWiggin). As it stands, I don't think I town read this slot. While the immense activity is great, it's also chaos.

There's not a huge amount to talk about with Rondo. He has a lot of content you can probably read past and will do things just to poke buttons without believing in it a whit.

I've only ever seen him wolf irl so I don't know how much of it works in forum mafia, but in irl he likes to make it difficult to link him and his partners together, especially when it comes to drawing attention to himself. He's saved partners purely by making himself more suspicious.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 5:13 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 8:17 pm Fingers is a fine wagon.

I might need to revisit it because two of my townreads independantly came to a scumread there.
You have reads this game?

Here I thought you were impersonating Tuxedo Mask

My job here is done.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 12:23 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 12:18 am
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 12:17 am My POE as of right now is Dizzy/Ender and then Nate. fingersplints read TBD. Creature has trended up this day phase and has an endorsement from Mac so I'm ok with him for now.
You care about Mac's endorsements but don't see any consideration of his claim he would tunnel Marmot?
It factors into my evaluation of Marmot. His legacy is not the be all and end all of my thought process, but that claim has led me to put Marmot lower than I would have if not for his legacy. Absent Mac's message, I would probably have Marmot as a townread, and now he's more like, floating just above the POE.

When it comes to Creature, Mac's views and mine trend in the same direction so it's a much easier call to make. I try to strike a balance between respecting his thoughts and having agency and ideas of my own.

Was more a statement that you kept bringing it up to "add" to reads you were making but didn't see any comments about Marmot.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 12:18 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 12:16 am [VOTE: NateTheLesser] aubergine

Honestly don't feel like you care about the current gamestate, why's that?
I thought the same thing (see above).

What's your take on Creature?

I saw that lmao.

My take on Creature is that his whole "Find a different wagon than Falcon when he was second wagon" feels town, and this feels more like his lazy towngame.

Do you think he should be scumread for his D1?

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 12:17 am My POE as of right now is Dizzy/Ender and then Nate. fingersplints read TBD. Creature has trended up this day phase and has an endorsement from Mac so I'm ok with him for now.

You care about Mac's endorsements but don't see any consideration of his claim he would tunnel Marmot?

[VOTE: NateTheLesser] aubergine

Honestly don't feel like you care about the current gamestate, why's that?

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 11:57 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 8:15 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 4:14 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:19 am
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 6:30 am I'll be a little busy for the next 12 hours or so, my apologies. I have skimmed fingersplint's posts this page and been left with a generally good impression. Would like more elaboration on how Ender read Dizzy's entrance; which part of it was a towntell, etc.
If I elaborate it won't work anymore lol.
Keeping a read cryptic so you can use it in future games is dumb. You have already been extremely cagey this game; I would like you to please elaborate on the tell you used to read Dizzy.
Please wait 3-5 business days for a response.
I am sorely tempted to vote you.

Do it.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 10:54 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 10:53 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 10:53 pm What is your goal in this game Ender?
What is your point in asking this quesiton, Marmot?
I'm trying to sort out your motives because I don't understand them, and I hope that it'll help me read you better.

I want to win, like anyone else.

I felt D1 was weird in a wolfy way and I'm trying to work out why.

I expressed that on D1 and everyone laughed.

I still felt that on N1.

Went into D2 asking why I felt that, Alison/Lucy/Jay probably has 1 wolf, probably not more but I think one.

Building my little group of townies and trying to sort wolf motivations.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 10:53 pm What is your goal in this game Ender?

What is your point in asking this quesiton, Marmot?

Like, I care more about the fact that I'm building a little cadre of town people and trying to sort out why I felt like the consensus D1 towns were sus because that's the backbone of my approach to today.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 10:51 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 10:50 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 10:41 pm
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DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 6:19 pm Been vastly busy today.

See Dizzy as prime target? I accept this.

Ender/Marmot/Seanzie are also acceptable.

What's goin on in the thread?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 6:37 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 6:32 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 6:28 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 6:22 pm

Feels like we're on fire

A fire like this

I see.

Tell me why Dizzy over Seanzie?
Mac's list + I get the feeling Dyslexicon is playing a wolfgame here
Understood. Now how about Wiggin?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:00 pm Dizzy, help me yeet [VOTE: Ender] aubergine

The concern I have with Wilgy today is that this is the information he has volunteered, and it consists solely of an intention to kill Ender. It's very singularly-focused.

On a related note, Ender has not mentioned Wilgy yet today, nor responded to his vote. I'm not sure what to make of that (it could be that he just hasn't been around since Wilgy's vote).
Wilgy's vote isn't really something I feel I need to respond to anyway
Why not?

Because it's... a vote?

I don't think I need to discuss every vote on me.

I haven't seen any striking reasons I need to counter.

I just exist in a state that sometimes gets votes.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 10:49 pm Is this just how Ender plays? Incredibly mysterious and chaotic?

Sometimes.

I'd say this is me when I'm having fun vs being serious.

Which is not AI, it's RLI.

You will see me be serious in Champs because pressure/expectation.

You might see me be serious on Syndicate.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 10:41 pm
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DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 6:19 pm Been vastly busy today.

See Dizzy as prime target? I accept this.

Ender/Marmot/Seanzie are also acceptable.

What's goin on in the thread?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 6:37 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 6:32 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 6:28 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 6:22 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 6:19 pm What's goin on in the thread?
Feels like we're on fire

A fire like this

I see.

Tell me why Dizzy over Seanzie?
Mac's list + I get the feeling Dyslexicon is playing a wolfgame here
Understood. Now how about Wiggin?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:00 pm Dizzy, help me yeet [VOTE: Ender] aubergine

The concern I have with Wilgy today is that this is the information he has volunteered, and it consists solely of an intention to kill Ender. It's very singularly-focused.

On a related note, Ender has not mentioned Wilgy yet today, nor responded to his vote. I'm not sure what to make of that (it could be that he just hasn't been around since Wilgy's vote).

Wilgy's vote isn't really something I feel I need to respond to anyway

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 10:46 pm so Ender has read Wigly and Dizzy and hasn't said his reasoning for the reads yet

You people explain things?

I'll give you two bits to see some thought.

Fingers is a fine wagon.

I might need to revisit it because two of my townreads independantly came to a scumread there.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 4:14 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:19 am
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 6:30 am I'll be a little busy for the next 12 hours or so, my apologies. I have skimmed fingersplint's posts this page and been left with a generally good impression. Would like more elaboration on how Ender read Dizzy's entrance; which part of it was a towntell, etc.
If I elaborate it won't work anymore lol.
Keeping a read cryptic so you can use it in future games is dumb. You have already been extremely cagey this game; I would like you to please elaborate on the tell you used to read Dizzy.

Please wait 3-5 business days for a response.

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 3:41 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 4:49 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 4:25 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 4:02 am Boq and Rondo actually can be cleared in a Marmot!Wolf world, as can Creature probably.

Mildly trusting Seanzie on the unpairing for Creature/Marmot tbh.
Walk me through this? How does Marmot Wolf clear me?
Magic.

But seriously your vote twice put Marmot from "One vote" to "Actual wagon territory" on D1. And chaos muppet that you are, I don't think that's w/w
Meh, the votes weren't that dangerous IMO. Twice he was the lone vote on Marmot for a while, and then the last one he was a second vote (when Falcon had 4 votes). I think I agree with your overall point though, since I don't think he'd vote for Marmot 3 times on day one if they were partners.

Semantics are semantics.

Point is you look at those votes too and you're like "Does Rondo really do this as wolf?"

The answer is yes, probably now it will happen.

But before he was aware he probably wouldn't have.

Man the crossthrough on this site really doesn't show that well.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:17 pm I'm slightly puzzled by how Sean says I'm unreadable,
however, Ender says I have a town entrance on meta (still unexplained as far as I know).

I agree that my play is probably quite unusual, meta wise.
So I'm really wondering how Ender came to this conclusions.

Weirder things have happened, I guess.
But I would really like to know.

I'm just bad good at this game I guess.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 9:40 am I'm rereading Ender's Day 1 ISO and am feeling less confident that he's actually a hit.

He's shitposted a lot, but there are flashes of opinions that I like. His treating of JJJ's readlist I think is townie. While I don't like his falcon vote, that's not the only vote he made Day 1 that kinda lacked context. He did so with fingersplits as well as Wilgy.

I also read a little bit of his Champs game (where he was wolf), and there was way less shitposting early on. He might have just taken that game more seriously, but the approach is very different here.

Hmmmmm

100% I took that game more seriously.

Right now I'm in destress to make sure I don't over-stress for Semi's which is why this game is shitpostery compared.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 6:30 am I'll be a little busy for the next 12 hours or so, my apologies. I have skimmed fingersplint's posts this page and been left with a generally good impression. Would like more elaboration on how Ender read Dizzy's entrance; which part of it was a towntell, etc.

If I elaborate it won't work anymore lol.

Boquise wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 4:45 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 4:03 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 4:01 am
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:37 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:16 pm I will also shitpost today, who wants to shitpost?
Speaking of which, has Boq posted a single meme?
Is boq usually a shitposter too?
He has made my favourite meme post in existence during a Champ's Game last year.
wow I am honoured tbh! Which?

Vote a wolf.

Had me cracking up laughing.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 4:25 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 4:02 am Boq and Rondo actually can be cleared in a Marmot!Wolf world, as can Creature probably.

Mildly trusting Seanzie on the unpairing for Creature/Marmot tbh.
Walk me through this? How does Marmot Wolf clear me?

Magic.

But seriously your vote twice put Marmot from "One vote" to "Actual wagon territory" on D1. And chaos muppet that you are, I don't think that's w/w

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 4:24 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 3:59 am Also I changed my mind, Seanzie is town.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 3:59 am Rondo and Creature too probably.
More mystic and cryptic reasons? Or can I ask why?

You can certainly ask.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 4:23 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 3:58 am I don't think Dizzy is wolf with Marmot?

But maybe I'm wrong on that read I'm not sure anymore.
What changed in the last 20(?) posts to make your hard town read wash away?

Self doubt.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 4:03 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:40 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 9:46 pm @EnderWiggin You're not town for pretending you have deep thoughts that you don't want to share.
I'm town for having those thoughts though.
Then what is he town for? Is that a slip?

Or more accurately, do you seem Ender as scum?

Do you see me as town? Why?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 4:01 am
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:37 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:16 pm I will also shitpost today, who wants to shitpost?
Speaking of which, has Boq posted a single meme?
Is boq usually a shitposter too?

He has made my favourite meme post in existence during a Champ's Game last year.

Boq and Rondo actually can be cleared in a Marmot!Wolf world, as can Creature probably.

Mildly trusting Seanzie on the unpairing for Creature/Marmot tbh.

I have a strong suspicion one of Alison/Jay are actually wolf and that was why I was so disconcerted with gamestate.

Lemme actually verify this tbh.

Rondo and Creature too probably.

Also I changed my mind, Seanzie is town.

I don't think Dizzy is wolf with Marmot?

But maybe I'm wrong on that read I'm not sure anymore.

I was memeing before but actually Marmot just wolf.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 1:17 am

You should probably scrutinize me if you're going to vote for me too.

That's an "If I get around to it."

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 1:19 am Why did you vote for falcon Day 1 Ender? If I recall correctly, you voted him without any explanation (after previously reading him as town).

I happened to end up being convinced he was mafia.

I love you for those screenshots btw

And now I hear you ask, why would you do that?

Cause it's fun bruh

Also will point at GOC for a great example of me playing chaotically and hiding information I wanted to hide when I was actually town.

I got N1'd by a town vig in that game for it, but proof in pudding and all that shiz.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 1:09 am Why is Dizzy town, @EnderWiggin

I think I can read his entrance and have been right three times in a row, including one where I correctly called him scum off his entrance. (I think that was GOC.)

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 9:36 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 9:33 pm I'm down.
Thank you.

One line of investigation that may be obvious but still doesn't tend to get the dedicated, systematic analysis it warrants is to individually assess the votes on the large mischop wagon of Day 1. We have a bunch of people who took part in that wagon who were all responsible for justifying their participation somehow. If we examine the full progression of each voter on their falcon reads we can try to determine with some reasonable degree of depth their sincerity.

I will likely do this myself, but two sets of eyes are better than one.

Okay so, thinking time.

Ender
Mac
Jay
Alison
Lucy
Nate
Fingersplints
Dizzy

I know I'm town
Mac flips town
I think I have a read on Dizzy town

3/8 townlock for me

I don't think there's all 3 wolves. I think 1-2.

Lucy I have a townish bend on rn.

I want to say Alison/Jay both town but I'm not 100% sure.

I'd say from that Nate/Finger needs my scrutiny most.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:23 pm I kinda think that there is a necessary auto period here.

Like there is a line and those below it have to all die before those above it because if the mafia are all above it the game is already over and we are wasting our time and that's very unlikely.

Line

Dyslexicon
Creature
Falcon
DrWilgy

For some reason I don't want to put Fingersplints below the line. I think Dyslexicon has the most chance of being town but I can't reasonably put him above it.

I don't 100% agree with this (I have Dizzy town) but noting Mac's thoughts.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 8:04 pm the marmot wagon intrigues me...

I think it's a genuine c/w and will tunnel marmot if falcon is a miss

lel

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

At least for now, honouring Mac's last wish.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 12:08 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 12:04 am The funniest thing that has happened is that my statement about saving Seanzie from Marmot was true.
What do you mean?

Marmot scumread me
Marmot votes you.
I say "I'll save you from Marmot, Seanzie!"
I vote you (Part because I wolfish read you, part because it'd be funny if he changes after I do that.)
Marmot votes me.

The funniest thing that has happened is that my statement about saving Seanzie from Marmot was true.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 9:46 pm @EnderWiggin You're not town for pretending you have deep thoughts that you don't want to share.

I'm town for having those thoughts though.

Don't worry Sean, I'll save you from these pesky Marmots!

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

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