The Syndicate

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:41 pm

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:35 pm LC,

Why haven't you done more to try to figure out who else might be wolfing with Alison? It seems like you should be given how confident you are that she's wolfing.

Because I'm fucking pissed off and I want to fucking bury Alison for this shit.

You don't fucking claim someone to be outed wolf, say that they're in anti-spew mode, to ignore EVERYTHING I SAY, and point blank refuse to actually evaluate me or ask me questions of what I'm doing to figure me out.

ok I'm trying to evaluate you now though.

Who else do you think is a wolf?

LC,

Why haven't you done more to try to figure out who else might be wolfing with Alison? It seems like you should be given how confident you are that she's wolfing.

LC,

I want to try to interact with you because I feel like I should be but I don't really have the energy. I'm basically definitely voting for you though, and if you're going to end up killed today.

Do you plan on claiming a power role?

Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:23 pm It is, once they flip scum we probably get Luck next.

ok if Alison is a villager you have to vote yourself for the rest of the game.

deal.

I don't plan on having a very good EoD fwiw but do plan on voting LC, hopefully before I fall asleep...only slept 4 hours last night

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 10:27 am See the weird thing is that Nanook's kill actually doesn't make a lot of sense even for LC.

There's no way he ignores the people he's more threatened by to kill Nanook.

There are three wolves on a wolf team though

Wisp wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 10:13 am i feel like this game wants to PoE me as a wolf honestly
lmao, but to be fair, the game is basically full of people not pushing anything really
Mizery talking about being lunched because of less usefulness, and then voting Falcon the way they did, just irks me
like that's intentionally playing poorly on purpose imo

You deserve to win as a wolf imo, so I wouldn't worry. Keep me alive if you're wolfing I'll never vote you.

Wisp wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 10:00 am

tessepia wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 9:57 am and btw gira literally hasn't done a single thing today except ALSO omgus, onto me, so like, lmao

Go read Artemas foul mafia on MU, and compare First here to that

Here Gira feels like a robot, and he isn't pushing shit really, while in Artemas mafia, his votes were moving freely, he was arguing with people, he was solving things

can you link it?

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 10:05 am Gira is scum, that's the only read I actually feel confident in.

Based on what though?

I'll read the MU game Gira's has had good thoughts here and is seemingly agendaless

tessepia wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 9:54 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 9:42 am

tessepia wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 9:40 am

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 8:52 am Tess still just seems like a wolf.

I thought it was interesting last night how I induced a long post from her and then she instantly got some clears, but producing some ex post facto thought-processes isn't exactly difficult for her, and her D1 was bad and her D2 hasn't been better. Her pushes this game consist of Dizzy and now Gira and that one has been weak, and there has been no villagery energy about her.

Even if she stays on LC and LC flips wolf, I'll just assume they are w/w as Esooa couldn't vote v! Alison here.

enthralling day phase where if I call gira a wolf I get ignored and if I call BK a wolf I get yelled at and called a liar

I've given my reads

Gira is a wolf probably.

Do you think LC is a wolf?

yes. He's been yelling and omgusing over the span of like 2 irl days which I agree is ridiculous/played up. And the point that he's given reads outside omgusing is bad. Basically the only read he has given is basically going "wall post town" at me which lol

and btw stuff like luckbox going "tess can easily give explanations to posts and such as a wolf" then wolf reading me for the absence of my doing that is a little ridiculous, so is assuming I'm just hard bussing bk while apparently having done so so poorly I get no credit for it, even while having voted him before the tdome started

did you really vote him before the t-dome started? I'm pretty sure you started the day off pushing Gira

Tess still just seems like a wolf.

I thought it was interesting last night how I induced a long post from her and then she instantly got some clears, but producing some ex post facto thought-processes isn't exactly difficult for her, and her D1 was bad and her D2 hasn't been better. Her pushes this game consist of Dizzy and now Gira and that one has been weak, and there has been no villagery energy about her.

Even if she stays on LC and LC flips wolf, I'll just assume they are w/w as Esooa couldn't vote v! Alison here.

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 8:39 am "Trying his best to keep a lid on things but having some emotion seep out"

vs

"The moment I start seriously pushing him he starts flipping the table over"

You push pretty hard though so I imagine that at least for some that could be the response.

I mean Alison is just a villager regardless of how LC flips. Some of her arguments on LC are better than others (e.g. how LC has handled today vs the eod1 stuff)-- but that doesn't matter.

I'm also a huge sucker for AtE, but hopefully LC will flip wolf. Obviously I'll vote there but keeping vote on Tess still for now.

I'm awake barely

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:23 am Solve with me. I'm not 100% on Tess town. Walk through worlds with me. I'll pretend you're lock-clear for a while and we can work out what worlds could exist.

Sadly it's my bedtime. I have thoughts on Tess-- and was just looking at her iso-- but I'll have to save them until the morning.

Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:58 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:57 am

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:09 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 10:16 pm [VOTE: Alison] aubergine

bad Ender

Why?

If I read Tess as town, LC as town, Wisp as town, Gav as town...

I mean Dr Wilgy maybe but that implies Alison's POE is terrible.

Which might be the case.

Also weird the way these wagons are sticking. Alison may not be a wolf but there's something funky going on.

Oh don’t worry man.
Alison IS a wolf here.

Gav,

If Alison flips village are you going to accuse me of TMI?

plus it seemed like you were set to put in some work here, and it didn't happen-- and the Alison vote is now being made on some pretty flimsy grounds..."Alison may not be a wolf but there's something funky going on".....I mean that's not great at all

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:57 am

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:09 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 10:16 pm [VOTE: Alison] aubergine

bad Ender

Why?

If I read Tess as town, LC as town, Wisp as town, Gav as town...

I mean Dr Wilgy maybe but that implies Alison's POE is terrible.

Which might be the case.

Also weird the way these wagons are sticking. Alison may not be a wolf but there's something funky going on.

Wisp and Gav are town...I don't have a problem with those.
Tess can pretty easily be a wolf I think and I don't see why you'd clear her

LC-- idk. Lots of ATE but little substance, and there was more substance in the Constellations game but I need to take a closer look there, and I suppose read the game you're talking about here.

But voting Alison here I don't think is great.

Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:56 am

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:12 am

tessepia wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 11:27 pm @Luckbox Inc why'd you ask me about that day 1 stuff then not respond or really say anything about it

I mean this is wolfy from you though

You know I'm a villager here so questioning me about anything is NGL

Are you though?

yeah even Alison is clearing me

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:25 am Tess/Ender/LC??

or maybe Tess/Ender/Wilgy and LC is just a villager

Mizery wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:27 amnargl

Who are you going to vote today? Falcon is not going....

Tess/Ender/LC??

tessepia wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:16 am

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:14 am

tessepia wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:13 am

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:12 am

tessepia wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 11:27 pm @Luckbox Inc why'd you ask me about that day 1 stuff then not respond or really say anything about it

I mean this is wolfy from you though

You know I'm a villager here so questioning me about anything is NGL

I don't know that

you just saw me wolf two games in a row. Does my play here remind you of those games?

no, doesn't mean I shouldn't ask you anything though

Fair I suppose, but it definitely feels like some shade throwing

tessepia wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:13 am

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:12 am

tessepia wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 11:27 pm @Luckbox Inc why'd you ask me about that day 1 stuff then not respond or really say anything about it

I mean this is wolfy from you though

You know I'm a villager here so questioning me about anything is NGL

I don't know that

you just saw me wolf two games in a row. Does my play here remind you of those games?

tessepia wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 11:27 pm @Luckbox Inc why'd you ask me about that day 1 stuff then not respond or really say anything about it

I mean this is wolfy from you though

You know I'm a villager here so questioning me about anything is NGL

tessepia wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 11:27 pm @Luckbox Inc why'd you ask me about that day 1 stuff then not respond or really say anything about it

I didn't think there was much of anything to say

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 10:16 pm [VOTE: Alison] aubergine

bad Ender

Wisp wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 11:11 pm

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 11:10 pm

Wisp wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 11:04 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 11:02 pm

Wisp wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 10:56 pm but lets be clear here, there definitely exists inconsistencies in wolf!Alison worlds, compared how she is treating other low hanging fruits, and Dr Wigly
There is actually no reason why Mizery doesn't get the benefit of the doubt, but some how Wigly does

I think Mizery is getting townread though? Which I agree with I think she's town as well. Wilgy hasn't really done anything towny from what I was reading a few nights ago and so far in this day phase.

Im pretty sure Alison and Luck both still keep throwing jabs at Mizery

I mean....village Mizery makes a bunch of lighthearted jokey posts and wolf Mizery is super serious and just focuses on producing quality content?

and which Mizery do you see?

It would be the former obviously-- but I also seriously doubt that she is polarized like that.

Wisp wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 11:04 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 11:02 pm

Wisp wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 10:56 pm but lets be clear here, there definitely exists inconsistencies in wolf!Alison worlds, compared how she is treating other low hanging fruits, and Dr Wigly
There is actually no reason why Mizery doesn't get the benefit of the doubt, but some how Wigly does

I think Mizery is getting townread though? Which I agree with I think she's town as well. Wilgy hasn't really done anything towny from what I was reading a few nights ago and so far in this day phase.

Im pretty sure Alison and Luck both still keep throwing jabs at Mizery

I mean....village Mizery makes a bunch of lighthearted jokey posts and wolf Mizery is super serious and just focuses on producing quality content?

tessepia wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 10:11 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 10:08 pm That kill still makes NO sense to me.

I've been half harboring a scum read on Wisp for being someone who would make a NK most of us wouldn't expect seeing as they don't know most of us

Maybe Gavial but I'm not reading him so lol

I would definitely kill anyone if I thought they were a PR.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 9:58 pm

Mizery wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 9:57 pm what towntell

did i do

I want to know bc i am not town so it's funny

"Not being towny" is a dumb read. Anyone without PIS will show it by their thoughts and interactions. Not being Towny is an excuse for people who want to pretend getting someone wrong just because they act different isn't a bad indicator of their play. =P

"Not being towny" is pretty much how to use POE.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 9:47 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 9:40 pm

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 9:39 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 9:27 pm

Wisp wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 9:25 pm @EnderWiggin
are u saying that LC has not done his town thing?

I got distracted from reading his ISO because I'm like a magpie with shiny things lmao.

I'll say definitively once I'm done.

Can you tell us what his town thing is or will we need to take your word for it?

Read Buckets Mafia if you want, that's the closest I'll get to explaining it.

You BETTER not fucking compare me to Buckets mafia. I'm nowhere close to that.

Can you talk about it for me so I don't have to read it?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 9:46 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 9:37 pm 1. LC has not done what locks him as town. This is not 100% mafia but it means it's possible. (I think the ratio in my meta dive was like 70%ish of the games he didn't do it he was scum, and 30%ish town. Obviously percentages are made up but most of his town games he does it.)

2. I need to re-check my meta-dive on him because this reminds me of something.

This is because I subbed into the game and didn't have much time to do anything Day 1. I literally backread the game at 4 AM.

I came into today with my confident townreads (Falcon, you, Luckbox) and I saw things that Tess was doing that reminded me of something she did as mafia in a game on MU so I voted her.

Then Alison made these remarks of calling me an outed wolf and said I was in anti-spew when I'm literally outing my reads. Literally being a total liar about my game.

So yeah she basically outed herself as a wolf with how she's treating me.

Except you realize that Alison can be over-confident, right?

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 9:40 pm

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 9:39 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 9:27 pm

Wisp wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 9:25 pm @EnderWiggin
are u saying that LC has not done his town thing?

I got distracted from reading his ISO because I'm like a magpie with shiny things lmao.

I'll say definitively once I'm done.

Can you tell us what his town thing is or will we need to take your word for it?

Read Buckets Mafia if you want, that's the closest I'll get to explaining it.

Was it here or on MU?

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 9:27 pm

Wisp wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 9:25 pm @EnderWiggin
are u saying that LC has not done his town thing?

I got distracted from reading his ISO because I'm like a magpie with shiny things lmao.

I'll say definitively once I'm done.

Can you tell us what his town thing is or will we need to take your word for it?

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 9:21 pm

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 9:21 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 9:19 pm

tessepia wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 9:18 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 9:17 pm Also Tess is town.

why

Quality content.

Not yet convinced

Uhhh.

Is this your card?

Not sure i understand

Gavial is such an interesting figure here.

There isn't a chance he's a wolf, right? (asking the people who have Gavial meta).

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 9:19 pm

tessepia wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 9:18 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 9:17 pm Also Tess is town.

why

Quality content.

Not yet convinced

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 9:17 pm Also Tess is town.

I also want to know why.

Gavial wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:55 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:52 pm

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 7:56 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 4:57 pm Let's get something straight here.

This is me thunderdoming Alison.

If Alison is actually town here, it's an opportunity for all 3 wolves to jump on her wagon and get rid of her because she's a big threat to mafia.

The fact that NO ONE is jumping on Alison's wagon means that she's mafia.

Read the threadstate before it's too fucking late and y'all lose this for town.

Is this really something that you would actually believe-- that all 3 wolves would be on v! Alison here-- because it doesn't seem too reasonable of a thought.

Why not? When Alison is town she's known to be a threat to wolves, and it would be a massive mischop if Alison is actually town.

Yeah man, no wolves In their right mind would push her unless she pushed them or they have an opportunity like this one to vote her.

I don’t see anyone jumping on Alison so that’s why I’m trying to encourage others to vote Alison as Alison is even more clearly wolf!

Alison voters are you, LC, and Mizery

you could very well be the only villager there-- so this whole idea is pretty lol.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:52 pm

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 7:56 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 4:57 pm Let's get something straight here.

This is me thunderdoming Alison.

If Alison is actually town here, it's an opportunity for all 3 wolves to jump on her wagon and get rid of her because she's a big threat to mafia.

The fact that NO ONE is jumping on Alison's wagon means that she's mafia.

Read the threadstate before it's too fucking late and y'all lose this for town.

Is this really something that you would actually believe-- that all 3 wolves would be on v! Alison here-- because it doesn't seem too reasonable of a thought.

Why not? When Alison is town she's known to be a threat to wolves, and it would be a massive mischop if Alison is actually town.

Wolves don't typically all pile on a villager in a coordinated fashion like that, and people are also constrained by their metas-- like if Esooa is a wolf and Alison is village, Esooa is going to have a harder time being like "lol Alison is wolfing" when Alison is a villager.

And it would be more likely that wolves would follow Alison, kill you, and then turn around and try to kill Alison anyways.

tessepia wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:40 pm

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:40 pm

tessepia wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:37 pm

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:34 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:32 pm

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:31 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:22 pm Like the Alison wagon is fucking pure.
Wisp keeping his vote on it is still pure!

Tess voters look better except for Falcon who is trending down

Nah, betcha one scum is on there though.
Probably you or Gira.


As much as I originally town read you, you is trending down.

How am I trending down? You're trending down.

lmfao nice no u

tyty. I liked it too.

I'm ready to start villaging with you if you're a villager. Can we talk?

sure

Ok on D1 people were like "woah Mizery is Illwei that's not a good look for her"....and you made a post that was pretty much "well if she's not villagery then she can die", then she made one post that didn't really have to do with anything game related, you called it villagery and found your way onto Dizzy.

Question is: Do you think your dynamic with Illwei could prevent you from treating her objectively on D1?

I think there are also some big differences in how you treated Dizzy here vs the game where Dizzy was wolfing, you called him a wolf, and died on D1-- in that game you were pretty much like "lol Dizzy is a wolf and should die", and here you didn't express any sort of confidence about it-- I would expect that after nailing w! Dizzy in your previous game, that you would reference that when making a case for it in the next game. It seems wolfy that you didn't.

tessepia wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:37 pm

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:34 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:32 pm

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:31 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:22 pm Like the Alison wagon is fucking pure.
Wisp keeping his vote on it is still pure!

Tess voters look better except for Falcon who is trending down

Nah, betcha one scum is on there though.
Probably you or Gira.


As much as I originally town read you, you is trending down.

How am I trending down? You're trending down.

lmfao nice no u

tyty. I liked it too.

I'm ready to start villaging with you if you're a villager. Can we talk?

Gavial wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:35 pm

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:34 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:32 pm

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:31 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:22 pm Like the Alison wagon is fucking pure.
Wisp keeping his vote on it is still pure!

Tess voters look better except for Falcon who is trending down

Nah, betcha one scum is on there though.
Probably you or Gira.


As much as I originally town read you, you is trending down.

How am I trending down? You're trending down.

Nice OMGUS.

Truth hurts. Alison villagery, your refusal to accept that is NGL.

Gavial wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:32 pm

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:31 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:22 pm Like the Alison wagon is fucking pure.
Wisp keeping his vote on it is still pure!

Tess voters look better except for Falcon who is trending down

Nah, betcha one scum is on there though.
Probably you or Gira.


As much as I originally town read you, you is trending down.

How am I trending down? You're trending down.

Gavial wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:22 pm Like the Alison wagon is fucking pure.
Wisp keeping his vote on it is still pure!

Tess voters look better except for Falcon who is trending down

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 4:57 pm Let's get something straight here.

This is me thunderdoming Alison.

If Alison is actually town here, it's an opportunity for all 3 wolves to jump on her wagon and get rid of her because she's a big threat to mafia.

The fact that NO ONE is jumping on Alison's wagon means that she's mafia.

Read the threadstate before it's too fucking late and y'all lose this for town.

Is this really something that you would actually believe-- that all 3 wolves would be on v! Alison here-- because it doesn't seem too reasonable of a thought.

Gavial wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 7:32 pm

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 7:30 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 7:28 pm

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 6:11 pm

Wisp wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 5:25 pm Honestly luck is doing literally the same thing, except they aren't even voting the person they think was obvious wolf

I still feel pretty decent about my vote, and if Esooa does happen to be a villager then I think I can figure that out

…..
Did you literally just say if they flip town you’ll figure out they are town?

ROFL.

No. I literally did not say that at all.

Feel pretty good about vote.
If they happen to be villager you can figure that out.

It means I still think that Esooa is a wolf and that if she starts getting villagery then I'm confident in my ability to recognize that and reevaluate there before mislynching her.

Gavial wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 7:28 pm

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 6:11 pm

Wisp wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 5:25 pm Honestly luck is doing literally the same thing, except they aren't even voting the person they think was obvious wolf

I still feel pretty decent about my vote, and if Esooa does happen to be a villager then I think I can figure that out

…..
Did you literally just say if they flip town you’ll figure out they are town?

ROFL.

No. I literally did not say that at all.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ost5266833

This post (which Wiml referenced as being out of BK wolf range) is definitely better than anything that we've seen in this game from him.