The Syndicate

gg Dizzy. You play really well.

someone vote Mac

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

Mac > Ender

I won't vote Ender

village resigns

I'm 5% optimistic about today.

EoD appears to be in 40 minutes.

TSP or Mac is fine with me.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 4:53 pm Thoughts on flipping TSP Luck?

Hard to argue against it.

Like just in terms of most villagery to least (objectively) then the three least villagery people are Mac/Nook/TSP.

Mac and TSP have had short moments. Nook has been cleared by Axe all game so idk there but he's had quite few moments.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 4:50 pm

Lu Ren wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 4:46 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 4:44 pm Awake now and I'm hating my indecision over this day

something something everyone except dizzy and me who's been probably the most consistently suspicious of/pushing on dizzy throughout voting dizzy right now

something something huh

Also Luckbox hasn't voted yet

yeah I know. hi.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 4:37 pm [VOTE: Mac] aubergine

Inb4 getting sweet talked by Lu

I think you're probably a villager, that Lu is probably a villager, and that Ender is probably a villager.

Axe idk but also probably. This leaves Mac/Nook/TSP

Lu Ren I would definitely not vote, probably not ever so gg there if wolf.

Could see the wolf team being something like Mac/Nook/TSP if Dizzy isn't a wolf.

Axe I'm pretty sure I want to clear.

I'd be happy killing TSP and praying

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 2:00 pm That’s what’s I think anyway. Their hands off today also speaks volumes imo. But I have the dubious privilege of knowing game is just going to end now

ending the game might be for the best.

Still though I'd like to figure out who the wolves are for myself, for personal ego reasons.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 1:58 pm

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 1:34 pm Lu Ren's post count and amount of real-time interaction with people is definitely concerning, but I don't see Lu as a wolf in those those posts.

The parts that are highlighted just don't come off wolfy to me. Yes, the line about esoooa was weird, but it would be weird for a wolf to say too really-- to just be so blatant about using the NK to push an agenda-- and Lu Ren is pretty clearly a more careful player than that.

Esooa wasn’t NKed at that point. That’s why it’s weird. Don’t know if they even uttered a read on Esooa at the time, if not, it’s more tmi.

Both the Esooa thing and the Belzy post I think is making fake unnecessary justification because you think it’s needed. I don’t know if I can express it better. Trying to make your reasons waterproof and “reasonable”, but neither actually are. Just weird justification

ok yeah I misunderstood that post. And yeah it's weird.

Lu?

"Omega and Alison are both just town because of their posts before/at the start of the argument. Omega posted about feeling differently as mafia vs town, saying that she feels a lot more pressured and nervous as mafia, and then immediately said "I might be struggling to engage this game". I think both of those posts could easily be made by mafia, but the progression is much more likely town. Her perspective is just pretty genuine, and that shows up in the way she reacts to Alison. For Alison, I think she's a very zealous player and is probably pretty aggressive even as mafia, but I don't think she'd pick the things she picked here to seize on, and the very quick and convinced conf-bias she went into that with felt organic and more intense than I think she'd be likely to do as mafia in that situation."

"i kinda liked belzy's d1 but i think bo's today has been pretty terrible particularly wrt their handling of the alison slot and i feel like there's a solid chance mafia are just being like oh! but everyone said belzy made good posts d1! let's ignore bo and use that as a reason to keep v-reading our partner"

The first quote on DoO I could see coming from a wolf, but separating good reads from TMI isn't necessarily easy.
And the second quote on Belzy is just villagery.

Ultimately I think your case on Lu Ren is really really thin.

Lu Ren's post count and amount of real-time interaction with people is definitely concerning, but I don't see Lu as a wolf in those those posts.

The parts that are highlighted just don't come off wolfy to me. Yes, the line about esoooa was weird, but it would be weird for a wolf to say too really-- to just be so blatant about using the NK to push an agenda-- and Lu Ren is pretty clearly a more careful player than that.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 1:18 pm

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 1:17 pm Really I was hoping you were just going to roll over now. Wishful thinking apparently.

Why?

If I were a wolf in your spot I could see myself rolling over. As a villager I would still fight. But because your wolf game is getting respect, that doesn't make it easy.

Really I was hoping you were just going to roll over now. Wishful thinking apparently.

What I don't understand Dizzy is how you had decided that maybe you were wrong about Alison at one point this game, and then the next day it was like those thoughts didn't exist and you were right back to deciding that she needed to die, and I wasn't sure what happened there.

Dizzy writes good post.

crap

Lu Ren wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 2:07 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 6:29 am If dizzy flips town, it will just emphasize that we should have killed Alison on D1.

or, you know, we could have just not

but here we are

Pretty much.

I'm here, awake, caffeinated, but not really motivated to post or put any work into the game.

If I did I'd probably try to poke Mac some more to see if he really wants to freak out at being called a wolf or not.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 12:38 am not nice, sorry LB, i'm gonna come back later when i'm not stressed

ok just come back when you're ready. I'll try to not be too trolly.

You know I've never seen you village before right?

Mac,
The Alison stuff is really supposed to clear you? How are you not a wolf?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 9:30 pm I think it's Ender Dizzy and Lu Ren

Talk about Ender though because he really does seem pretty pure

who are the wolves though?

I don't know what to make of Fingers dying-- not that I expected anyone in particular but not Fingers-- so that's interesting.

Also apparently I can read Alison.

Are we still going to go with Mac being clear because he didn't kill Alison?

Alison villagery still even if not super fast or loose

Mac refusing to vote Dizzy here is fun

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 6:57 pm

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 6:56 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 6:56 pm

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 6:55 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 6:54 pm [VOTE: luckbox] aubergine

Just vote Dizzy please

you had alison/dizzy w/w before. You are on skates.

lol if you think I was serious there.

at no point have i felt like you were anything but serious

that's on you not me.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 6:56 pm

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 6:55 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 6:54 pm [VOTE: luckbox] aubergine

Just vote Dizzy please

you had alison/dizzy w/w before. You are on skates.

lol if you think I was serious there.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 6:54 pm [VOTE: luckbox] aubergine

Just vote Dizzy please

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 6:52 pm

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 6:51 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 6:49 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 5:40 pm Alison Flips Red:
> Lu > Luckbox in that order = 2/3 maf with at least one misflip left. Should have some of my clears left.

Alison flips Green:
Remove Dizzy from clears
Add Mac/Lu Ren
> Dizzy (If Red then Luckbox maybe green, at this point it's likely a POE of Fingers > TSP = F3
> If Dizzy green then Luckbox/TSP/Fingers 2/3 wins

Falcon has been cleared on multiple counts
If NAA/Nanook are w/w then I've been pocketed so hard I've made renovations.

Quoting to make it relevant again.

Was it ever relevant though?
I mean if you kill me and Lu I don't think this game ends well. Probably not ending well regardless at this point.

If I lynch you/Lu then I've flipped red Alison.

Is this a slip good sir?

It's not. I didn't read your post super carefully.
Although whatever Alison flips I'm still good and think Lu would be good still too.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 6:49 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 5:40 pm Alison Flips Red:
> Lu > Luckbox in that order = 2/3 maf with at least one misflip left. Should have some of my clears left.

Alison flips Green:
Remove Dizzy from clears
Add Mac/Lu Ren
> Dizzy (If Red then Luckbox maybe green, at this point it's likely a POE of Fingers > TSP = F3
> If Dizzy green then Luckbox/TSP/Fingers 2/3 wins

Falcon has been cleared on multiple counts
If NAA/Nanook are w/w then I've been pocketed so hard I've made renovations.

Quoting to make it relevant again.

Was it ever relevant though?
I mean if you kill me and Lu I don't think this game ends well. Probably not ending well regardless at this point.

Let's just not flip Alison though

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 6:46 pm Why does he HAVE to vote Dizzy?

because he's clearing Alison?

@MacDougall you'll have to vote Dizzy.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 6:38 pm how do you have me w/w with Fingers?

well early game you cleared Fingers for little reason, and I asked you to vote Fingers and you said "no".

And your position on her hasn't been very consistent. And because you're both wolfy.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 6:34 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 6:33 pm

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 6:32 pm [VOTE: Fingers] aubergine

Mac w/w with Fingers

omfg

Current world my brain is thinking LB/Alison scum > Alison pushes LB D1 but finds another wagon to actually lynch, then seems to forget about the LB read.

LB gets free towncred for doing shit and all at the same time.

I got towncred for Alison pushing me and that's all I've done?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 6:34 pm

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 6:34 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 6:33 pm

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 6:32 pm [VOTE: Fingers] aubergine

Mac w/w with Fingers

This is the weirdest fucking way to jump on to this what the fuck.

read my posts

youre on drugs man

nothing wrong with drugs

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 6:33 pm

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 6:32 pm [VOTE: Fingers] aubergine

Mac w/w with Fingers

This is the weirdest fucking way to jump on to this what the fuck.

read my posts

[VOTE: Fingers] aubergine

Mac w/w with Fingers

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 6:22 pm

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 6:21 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 6:18 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 6:18 pm the only person who seems off this eod is luckbox

And last, and D1.

last eod I thought was an hour later than it was...but how am I off here?

you feel like someone who is trying to manipulate the wagons to your benefit

Because I don't like the idea of these wagons and never have probably. Not really a great mystery. Unfortunately I have little influence here. Nice try trying to cfd me though.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 6:18 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 6:18 pm the only person who seems off this eod is luckbox

And last, and D1.

last eod I thought was an hour later than it was...but how am I off here?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 6:11 pm Lucky can kill me cause he spent time trying to meta dive, I think. He's very likely town in any case. But it's a bit sad and dumb

I hate this spot really. I tried to meta dive you but results pretty inconclusive. I didn't read enough of Lion King although still have it up.
Obviously you're a good wolf though.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 6:10 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 6:08 pm Don't know if I'm chopped here or not. Think that's kind of whack, but is ok.

Confession time is that I don't know if Alison is scum or not, but my feeling still is that she is. Look back at how she treated me and how her read has not moved at all. If people are clearing Alison for being aggressive, then I think that's a big mistake. What worries me is if people like Lu Ren has actually tmi-ed Alison town though, or if it's just teammate. I don't know. But maybe look into them especially and maybe even chop them first. Though you may not do any of those things, and I will keep drinking from beyond. Sorry I couldn't be towny enough I guess. Also, hope that everyone got their votes in with explanations.

I think she is town. I would rather vote neither of you but here we are.

but you won't go Fingers either....Who are your wolves?