The Syndicate

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:55 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:51 pm
MissSparkles wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:48 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:36 pm I feel the need to clarify that the above post was to say "unless it wasn't a joke" and not me threatening to scare Sparkles off for good.
Why would you scare me off for good?
Fewer good players for my next wolf rand! All part of my master plan honestly.
But wait, what if we’re both

It's a deal!

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:48 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:36 pm I feel the need to clarify that the above post was to say "unless it wasn't a joke" and not me threatening to scare Sparkles off for good.
Why would you scare me off for good?

Fewer good players for my next wolf rand! All part of my master plan honestly.

I feel the need to clarify that the above post was to say "unless it wasn't a joke" and not me threatening to scare Sparkles off for good.

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:26 pm Thanks for the game, i’ll be back to tunnel Mac again at some poibt, loljk

Unless...

Yeah the thing that really killed wolves was that as soon as two flipped (and two were in the lowest posters) even an exile win was impossible I think.

Nice gg lol.

Oh this ended?

KZA wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 5:07 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 3:40 pm i have 100 percent certainty on the identity of the last wolf
prove it

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 1:56 pm Idk I wasn’t here, so we’re betting the game earlier on KZA then we need too? Why exactly!?

Wiml wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 2:03 pm We don't. If in some fringe world KZA is a wolf I won't just give up and let us lose.
well if you guys want to exile someone else 3 times then let's hear it

We don't need to. We can exile every single age 2 times each and never lose to exile.

We don't. If in some fringe world KZA is a wolf I won't just give up and let us lose.

*mention me

If next phase ends early please mention it in case I miss it.

I'm going to self vote to try to hammer faster.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:00 am Order of 86es as per my current brain

Gira
Long Con
TSP
Mac
Sparky
Creature
Wisdom
Wiml
KZA

I'm fine with this.

Yeah I'm in support of flipping Gira this cycle.

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:56 am Why is Wiml being so townread? I only know them from the plan but that's a thing traitor could still do.

I feel like I've done almost nothing this game lol.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:51 am Unless someone wants to genuinely argue with rapid firing our way to KZA/Wiml/Marmot F3. I say we just tell the host to flip us all. I am already annoyed that the last traitor is slow rolling in a virtually unwinnable scenario.

This is why I'm pretty confident Mac is town fwiw.

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:46 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:40 am This whole thing is an exercise in futility. If we all agree to the plan of "Wiml and KZA and Marmot go to f3". Can we just say so and let the host flip everyone outside those people? @Gavial?
You think we’re gonna agree on a F3? I mean this would most deff spare me some time lmao, i’m all for it lol

If we can't, we could agree on a F5 or similar?

It wouldn't be quite as fast but probably fewer unhappy people.

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 5:50 am
Wiml wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 5:49 am
MissSparkles wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 5:47 am
Wiml wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 5:45 am
MissSparkles wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 5:40 am
Wiml wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 4:57 am ATP I would honestly bet the game on Mac being town.
What? Why? lmao
Best reason I can explain:

I don't see how wolf-Mac intends to win this game with his current strategy tbh.

If we were the last wolf I'd expect him to not drag the game on and have us mischop a few people before he dies if he's just giving up.
He hasn’t given up yet, just bcz he put himself in the chop list means absolutely shit when nobody but me wants him eliminated.

Open your eyes.
He's still not the person I would actually select to bet the game on but I think he's just town.
I mean whatever, who is it then and why?

TSP/LC/possibly Gira ATP given that the strategy works if they are the anti-cop.

If all three flip town, re-evaluate.

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 5:47 am
Wiml wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 5:45 am
MissSparkles wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 5:40 am
Wiml wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 4:57 am ATP I would honestly bet the game on Mac being town.
What? Why? lmao
Best reason I can explain:

I don't see how wolf-Mac intends to win this game with his current strategy tbh.

If we were the last wolf I'd expect him to not drag the game on and have us mischop a few people before he dies if he's just giving up.
He hasn’t given up yet, just bcz he put himself in the chop list means absolutely shit when nobody but me wants him eliminated.

Open your eyes.

He's still not the person I would actually select to bet the game on but I think he's just town.

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 5:40 am
Wiml wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 4:57 am ATP I would honestly bet the game on Mac being town.
What? Why? lmao

Best reason I can explain:

I don't see how wolf-Mac intends to win this game with his current strategy tbh.

If we were the last wolf I'd expect him to not drag the game on and have us mischop a few people before he dies if he's just giving up.

ATP I would honestly bet the game on Mac being town.

I think odds are the last traitor is just somebody who is suddenly absent like Poison.

*I'll

I hammer

Wiml wrote: ↑Thu Jun 10, 2021 4:00 pmHYPE

Accepting my easy town clear gg.

I feel bad for the last traitor lol. 95% of the time they're probably just slowly waiting out a game that is close to unwinnable.

If it's Gira then he is absolutely guaranteed to be the anti-cop (check) and to have anti-copped himself because of the strategy Marm suggested.

So if Marm checks Gira and gets a red then that's telling I think.

*in the game, not in a row

Oh I just realised something too.

We know we have exiled only 1 traitor at an absolute max.

So that means if we exile literally everyone once... there is only one traitor left so we can exile every single player twice and it's still impossible to lose from exile.

As long as we never exile a non-Marmot person three times in a row we are now unable to lose to exile lol.

Wisdom wrote: ↑Thu Jun 10, 2021 3:52 am
Wiml wrote: ↑Thu Jun 10, 2021 3:13 am Lmao.

Yeah we just need one town we are willing to bet the game on and we win.

If the anti-cop is alive still then red peeks are probably semi-clearing now?
I'm not gonna accept the auto-run sorry.

The anti cop is confirmed alive, as host said they would flip anti cop when dead, and as long as they have used their ability on themselves (which I am willing to bet on) our cop can clear people.

Sure, the only thing that keeps me from wanting to go auto is the cop checks, but still. I think marmot got two checks now that he hasn't shared?

Yeah I'm not in support of the auto for the same reason. Mostly just some fast hammers.

I actually think the setup would work better with permanent exiles and a lower exile limit of 2? Would probably need some more looking at though.

I think the other issue is that lost wolves are in general pretty tedious to try to hunt and it's much harder to find towns too.

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Thu Jun 10, 2021 3:29 am
Wiml wrote: ↑Thu Jun 10, 2021 3:13 am Lmao.

Yeah we just need one town we are willing to bet the game on and we win.

If the anti-cop is alive still then red peeks are probably semi-clearing now?
A good anti day cop would just reverse back red peeks now. I said it because #blunt4lyfe is the way to best help marmy think of the anti daycop strategy that would become clearer to him at this junkture but not sure if that was even possible from the beginning and if it wasn’t probably shouldn’t be allowed now tbh

I’m just telling you what i’d be thinking about in that players position can’t give them a good strategy we as town are now aare of ourselves lmao

Yeah, I had similar thoughts but didn't mention them to avoid putting any ideas into people's heads.

I originally thought exiles were permanent and pre-rand I'd developed an even more broken way to solve the game.

You could use the exile vote as a second elimination vote. It was statistically unlikely that you eliminate 3/4 traitors with specifically the exile vote (I want to say ~5/16). If a traitor is eliminated with the normal vote, it becomes very hard to losr via exile this way (like ~1/8). So the plan would be to use the exile vote on the upper PoE and the elimination vote on the obvious wolves then switch both votes to obvious wolves if there's a flip with the elimination vote.

Just thought this would be funny to share.

Lmao.

Yeah we just need one town we are willing to bet the game on and we win.

If the anti-cop is alive still then red peeks are probably semi-clearing now?

We can no longer realistically lose to exile because we can just exile a different person every day and exiled zero flipped wolves.

Yeah we pretty much have it meched.

Welcome TSP!

Wisdom wrote: ↑Wed Jun 09, 2021 3:44 pm If we manage to at least punt the not anti cop then every red check henceforth should be a town clear because there is literally NO WAY the anti cop hasn't targeted themself by now

(I said this yesterday lmao).

But yeah it's just lock lol.

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jun 09, 2021 3:40 pm I confess, though, that now that there won't have any real info besides lynches and exiles I'll likely just grow bored of this game.

Yeah this is what happened to me as soon as I worked out that we would probably just win very very slowly.

[VOTE: Auwt] aubergine

Let's do this!

Wait for Marmot to make a peek until we hammer though.

If there is one player I would bet the game on... probably KZA?

Yeah the game is auto with 2 + marm and probably auto with just 1.

I'm around but there's not too much to do when we mostly just need to chop in the PoE every day and exiles barely matter. Unless I'm mistaken, odds are we only need to find 1 non-Marmot town to win in most circumstances now?

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jun 09, 2021 3:05 pm So I think we can choose one of those:

Long Con who has been doing absolutely nothing all game except asking to be exiled. Mac probably vouched here as slanker LC = town and I kinda agree.

Gira who I'm somewhat paranoid about but not sure how to proceed.

112 who we already exiled and therefore would be a somewhat optimal lynch as we preserve all unexiled players and not sure if 112 is even town here.

Me who I dunno I think I have been pretty town but whatever.

Wisdom who I think is fairly town so wouldn't go there.

Wiml who I'm feeling is a bit UTR so we should probably go check there.

Auwt who has also been doing absolutely nothing and, unlike Long Con, doesn't feel like slanker Auwt = town.

MissSparkles who is probably Mac's personal choice although I'm not sure if MissSparkles is really a traitor here.

I'm not UTR I just explained the way to mechanically lock the setup (you know, the way we're winning) and now the game is practically over lol.

2 more for a hammer.

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 12:03 pm Yeah, at this point, anti-cop will almost certainly peek green, which leaves one vanilla traitor left. That likely means anyone who peeks red at this point is probably just a framed townie. I agree with that.

If the anti-cop is the last traitor, red peeks might be semi-clearing.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:31 am Can someone make an argument against us just all agreeing to my plan then rolling it?

I think the main issue is with Marmot's peeks tbh. It might be better to just agree to speed hammer for a few rounds so the pool of people Marmot can peek is larger?

But I agree with the sentiment of the plan and getting this over with.

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