The Syndicate

also on lex i think 1841 is a v towny reply
their pov and thoughts check out even if they did look bad from the seth wagon and i dont want to vote them today aorn

help i dont want vulgard to be disappointed in me someone delete the last page before he gets to it

Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 7:40 am This is a really dumb thought, but what are the odds of more than one wolf having lower wim in this playerlist? (KZA was either wimless or terrible at wolfing. Or both.) I have no experience with most of the players here. Who would you consider the best / highest-WiM wolves on this playerlist?

I think my gamestate read yesterday was correct
I think the broader poe turning on each other yesterday means at least a couple of the wolves are in the poe
that's why my top two suspects are dyachei and alison
alison i just haven't felt as town yet and dyachei has actively reminded me of their scumplay in reflections

Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 7:34 am
Marluxion wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 7:31 am
Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 7:04 am I sometimes forget Marl's in the game and this isn't a good sign. I'm going to read his recent MU wolfgame.
You should probably read reflections in the mountaintop instead because it includes a good chunk of this playerlist and i think it's the most similar to how i've played this game

also no idea how you forgot i'm in this game since i was almost postcapped d1 with very little fluffposting
that seems more of a you problem rather than a me problem
Were you a wolf in that game?

And about the last part: maybe. I felt great about you when we first started posting together in the thread but now I'm having some doubts.

no i was town

Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 7:04 am I sometimes forget Marl's in the game and this isn't a good sign. I'm going to read his recent MU wolfgame.

You should probably read reflections in the mountaintop instead because it includes a good chunk of this playerlist and i think it's the most similar to how i've played this game

also no idea how you forgot i'm in this game since i was almost postcapped d1 with very little fluffposting
that seems more of a you problem rather than a me problem

Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:28 am
Chloe wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:07 pm bit busy today ao just a heads up
also i dont know how to post less than 150 times so this'll be a learning process. bear with me

@Vulgard u n me, boo
we're a 3-way masonry with nut
ily

also why the friiiiiiiiiiiiick are people townreading both arete and marl lollllllllllllll
wassup
Marl has been dropping a fair bit in my mind since my initial read on him. I'm fairly confident Arete's V based on perspective in some of their posts d1. I can highlight them if you'd like.
In all fairness, I haven't read their d2 stuff yet, but that's why.

vulgard moments before losing all faith in my intellect

also on the bolded, please do

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 3:59 am But they did in fact TMI Gavial town in the most classical lolwolf defending the top town wagon. I will see what others say about this.

You kinda did the same thing though

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 3:59 am I also have two other smaller reasons for suspecting Bronana, which may only make sense to me!

Can you tell us what the two smaller reasons are? Even if they dont make sense to us or convince us that swagged-out-lissa is scum, they might help us find you if you're town

also i dont really know why i'm not considering lex as a possible wolf
i'm probably pocketed but they have really good vibes and it feels more likely to come from town than a wolf?
probably in reality it's NAI and their posturing on seth before deciding it's fine if he died is >rand wolf

but meh

Chloe wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 3:40 am still have half of my brain nagging at me and saying you're a wolf but i dont wanna be That Person who tunnels relentlessy so i'll give you space for a bit

i mean i've earned it after shortnight 2

there is a part of me deep in my soul that would actually rather get ml'd than get derpcleared
it's the ultimate disrespect

if dya is a villager i really want to find them though because like 90% of the time we're opposite alignments

also fwiw on dya i thought they were being towny on that page until P#1642
that post specifically rubs me exactly the same way their defense of themselves in reflections did

this is pain

STOP IT GO BACK TO CLEARING ME FOR INTELLECTUAL DEPTH OF THOUGHT

sunbae wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 3:12 am
Marluxion wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 3:08 am
sunbae wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 9:31 pm 0 wolves hype: Outed Wolf, Arete, Dya
1 wolf hopefully: SPF, c4, Bronana, Amy
POE: Chloe, dsyl, nutella, marl, alison
i have no idea how your brain works or how you've arrived at your conclusions but your poe has 1 wolf maximum
and it's probably alison if there even is a wolf in your poe
pretty sure the last two wolves are in dya/alison/amy
I'm gonna play the real derp or fake derp game with this: I'ma go with real but not feel great about it (there are 3 wolves left marl)

...this game feels way smaller than it actually is

sunbae wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 9:31 pm 0 wolves hype: Outed Wolf, Arete, Dya
1 wolf hopefully: SPF, c4, Bronana, Amy
POE: Chloe, dsyl, nutella, marl, alison

i have no idea how your brain works or how you've arrived at your conclusions but your poe has 1 wolf maximum
and it's probably alison if there even is a wolf in your poe
pretty sure the last two wolves are in dya/alison/amy

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:59 pm
Amy wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:58 pm
Arete wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:57 pm
Amy wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:52 pm
Arete wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:50 pm
Amy wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:47 pm
Spoiler: show
Arete wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:46 pm

this made me laugh

which ?might? be a good look for you, in my experience villagers are funnier than wolves
i-

arete is this a real read
yes!
i say this as someone who is townreading outed wolf but

outed wolf being funny is not alignment indicative

and in fact i would argue this is true of anyone who is at least halfway competent at wolfing

you don't need a town rolecard to crack jokes
both wolves and villagers can make jokes and use humor but jokes made by villagers tend to be funnier
i would really like to roll wolf against you someday, i think
oh no amy thinks she's funny

LMFAO

Amy wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:42 pm actually IS marl/arete a viable team?

i don't remember how they treated each other during that initial FoL party

pushing villagers is kinda just your aesthetic this game huh

outed wolf wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 2:50 am c4
zack
visor
alison
dya
tangy

my guess is 2 wolves in this group for hally to be shot n1

(at least 1 i think) (hallys read list)

first of all
i'm not a wolf

but secondarily
i'm insulted you are disrespecting my PR hunting instincts
i'm actually an extremely good pr hunter when i'm a wolf usually

Chloe wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 2:26 am after about 5 seconds of thinking about whether or not im wolfsiding i've become aware that marl may be trying to pocket me by being so happy and kind and insistent that im a villager
being v-read is my drug
he knows that ):<

i still scumread you sorry buddy

it's okay to be wrong

outed wolf wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 2:26 am this is likely a me problem but i have been reading chloe and marls posting and none of it is particularly good or insightful

the reads marl is making are just basic af bare bones stuff, but the way he talks about himself is in opposition to this

some of the 'emotion' (not really the right word, maybe tonality) in chloes post just feel incredibly fake and overdone

this may be because i am not a fellow kid and as such yall gonna appear wolfy to me anyway, but idgi

this is like the 6th time you've said 'posting has been not good' without explaining your thoughts
and no chloe is just straight up a villager here, the tone in her second post is way too hard to fake imo
also i'm possibly older than you? so i dont know what you mean by fellow kid :^)

Chloe wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 2:15 am do you ever get that random gut feeling that you're being a dumbass and wolfsiding
for no reason other than ~vibes

no can't say i've ever wolfsided
not me
couldnt be

Chloe wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 2:07 am why tf do i find it lightly townie that you dont even know who called you town

hello brain?

i mean
wolves need to keep track of that to know who to nightkill and who to pocket into the late game

so if i were a wolf i'd be like twice as aware of that kind of stuff

Chloe wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 2:02 am
Marluxion wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 1:54 am
bronana wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:40 pm
Chloe wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:27 pm why is literally nobody engaging with me on my marl read

this is legit one of the things i said was weird about his slot
and its still happening!!!

am i crazy?

ive gotta go for a bit but like
whatze heck
welcome to the sunbae/outed wolf/bronana "why the heck do people think marl is so town" club, we have jackets
can i join
oo oo spicy

marl do you have any thoughts about the people who are townreading you? like
who is genuine about it and who isnt?

i dont actually remember who all called me town
i think spf and vulgard both did
but i think both are town
it's possible people are tming me town but i can't say that with confidence without backreading

i dont think i've earned to be townread yet because i'm not squarely in v meta but i'm also proving with this game that meta reading like that is bad and my play is based on my surroundings and my mood
i'm not just a cookbook that follows a recipe to the T

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 7:56 pm "c4 getting tilted at people agreeing with him completely but not acknowledging his existence"
SPOILER: SHOW

[VOTE: dyachei] aubergine
i appreciate you remotely detonated explosive chessguy

Arete wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 7:26 pm
outed wolf wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 7:19 pm who are teh wolves arete
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

all I have are townreads and nulls (pending sorting Chloe)

idk
i think this is probably v indicative for arete
it might be uber tiny brain but i think wolf arete forces themselves to give some weird wifomy list of 3 rather than just saying this

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:46 pm chloe's tone feels a little ....stilted to me? i just get a really distinct sense of discomfort from the way that she's speaking, and i don't know if that's typical for her towngame. this is a half-developed thought but i'm speaking it into existence in hopes that it'll go somewhere

i will die on the hill of chloe being town
i have 10,000,000,000% confidence in this read

bronana wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:40 pm
Chloe wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:27 pm why is literally nobody engaging with me on my marl read

this is legit one of the things i said was weird about his slot
and its still happening!!!

am i crazy?

ive gotta go for a bit but like
whatze heck
welcome to the sunbae/outed wolf/bronana "why the heck do people think marl is so town" club, we have jackets

can i join

to me at least it looks like it's either kza posturing to bronana for if alison flipped v or kza trying to convince bronana not to wolfread his mate
both of which imply bronana to be a villager

outed wolf wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 1:46 am I don't think your argument holds much water marl

Wolves have conversational stuff all the time and that post is hardly going to any effort to really convince zack

disagree
the tone isn't nearly rambly enough to look like wolves theatering together
he would have put in more words if he was just trying to look like he was thinking

nutella wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 1:41 am perhaps thats a good point too aaa

damn i just
love agreeing with half my wolfreads about the other half of my wolfreads

i may be your wolfread but that does not change the fact that i am town

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 1:41 am
Marluxion wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 1:35 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 1:31 am
KZA wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:25 pm
bronana wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:24 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:23 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:19 pm I'm not closed off to the possibility he's just a wolf.
Someone tell me why I hate this line so much

Is it
The tiptoeing?
The vacuousness?
The fact that this is only coming now from Ms. Akemi "Check The Easy Worlds First" Homura and with so little conviction in the sequence from start to finish?

Your guess is as good as mine.
now that you mention it alison voicing hesitancy over killing a LHF is strange
I don't think it is, she did a similar thing with me in Congress of Vienna where she was town
thoughts on this post?

im fairly convinced that every other single player that KZA talked about in their ISO (gavial, hally, myself, nutella) is a villager. so after TMI'ing a bunch of people as villagers, does KZA pop in to drop a defense of their wolf partner? is that their style?
i think the takeaway from that post should be different
it's possible alison is also town but i think bronana should be p close to hard v from the way kza is talking to him
interesting point. could you expand? what's the way that kza is talking to bronana in this post?

it looks like he's genuinely trying to convince him, you dont need to do that to a wolfmate in thread, there's no point

also i want to say in my own defense

there is no universe i push seth d1 knowing he's a villager with what he is doing this game
the dude is like a time bomb and the longer he stays around the greater the chance the village has of imploding
i'd need to see the names on his end wagon (idk if there is a way to check that) but i want to say it probably wasn't extremely scum motivated

i will say though dyachei's energy this game is almost identical to reflections
they were extremely abrasive in reflections too when being scumread

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 1:31 am
KZA wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:25 pm
bronana wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:24 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:23 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:19 pm I'm not closed off to the possibility he's just a wolf.
Someone tell me why I hate this line so much

Is it
The tiptoeing?
The vacuousness?
The fact that this is only coming now from Ms. Akemi "Check The Easy Worlds First" Homura and with so little conviction in the sequence from start to finish?

Your guess is as good as mine.
now that you mention it alison voicing hesitancy over killing a LHF is strange
I don't think it is, she did a similar thing with me in Congress of Vienna where she was town
thoughts on this post?

im fairly convinced that every other single player that KZA talked about in their ISO (gavial, hally, myself, nutella) is a villager. so after TMI'ing a bunch of people as villagers, does KZA pop in to drop a defense of their wolf partner? is that their style?

i think the takeaway from that post should be different
it's possible alison is also town but i think bronana should be p close to hard v from the way kza is talking to him

Chloe wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 1:32 am marl reading your posts makes me feel like im hallucinating

i have no clue what to do with calm and collected marl who doesn't OMGUS at every chance he gets

(im sorry if this sounds mean im just currently like.. really taken aback LMAO)

ngl my first instinct thinking back on d1 WAS to thunderdome amy since they were one of the loud voices to stay on seth, but i didn't want to seem like i was omgusing her because it'd only make me look worse LMAO
i haven't even got to the posts where she voted me yet i just saw that she was at the top

nutella wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 1:30 am i think tangy, dizzy, marl, and alison look worst on the kza stuff

i mean
i said yesterday kza and seth weren't w/w because kza's play posturing on seth made absolutely no sense from a partner perspective and i was right

he was where i wanted to vote today if he didn't end up getting hero shot

Chloe wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 1:26 am do you have any thoughts on aroot outside of that?

also im not ignoring you telling me to iso you btw
im reading the entire game rn and your posts are included lol

nothing strong on the wolfread side, no, a couple of people i think are probably village
you subbing in and obvtowning the tangy slot is gonna help my poe a ton though because they weren't doing much for me d1
once i catch up on d2 posts im gonna reread d1 while i eat and will post updated thoughts then

Arete wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:11 pm
Chloe wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:02 pm - Speaking of Aroot, they're weird. Like.. really weird. I cannot for the life of me figure them out, but they're nowhere outside of their wolfrange. I think their HARD focus on Vul is getting to the point where it feels like they're using it as an easy out from providing in-depth thoughts on other matters - and its something very easy for them to latch onto, and super unnecessary. Like.. Vul is pretty much consensus town you dont need to explain 50 times how you s o u l r e a d him. It's weird. Also they brought up quite a few times that Gavial is potentially town, but I didn't see a huge effort to shift votes elsewhere. I also disliked how they treated my slot (Tangrowth) after her opener - and I super vibed with nut's thought process there. I would not be surprised in the slightest if Arete is a wolf. Hope I can sort them today
definitely did not skim to this part of Chloe's readlist and skip everything else

my focus on Vul is because he's the player I feel like I have the best grasp on this game? like, I'm in a game full of players who are mostly better than me, I think in most cases if I try to read SPF or Amy or Visor or whoever I'm just going to come out with a townread no matter what their alignment is, whereas Vul I can actually read him better than most people here, so I'm trying to mostly focus on doing that really well and commenting on other people when I happen to have thoughts.

w.r.t. Gavial I didn't try to shift reads elsewhere for a couple reasons

- I wasn't super confident in the read, I had him as probably villagery but he was playing a bit out of meta and I thought I might just be dumb and failing to see something that everyone else was seeing
- he's Seth so I didn't really care if he got misexe'd, this is a kind of sucky thing to think but it was in fact a consideration
- I was scared that if he was scum and I harddefended him people would think we were partnered

tbh i was like 30% confident on seth being villager but in that case i was fine with policying him anyway because he wasn't doing anything and nothing short of a cop clear would remove him from the PoE

better yesterday than lylo

Chloe wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 1:14 am
Marluxion wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 1:09 am
Chloe wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:02 pm - MARL. What the fuck is up with Marl??? I don't smell the spice. I'm going solely off of memory because I can't be assed to ISO the guy right now but I remember not seeing.. anything memorable from him. Which is nagl! Wheres the ego and confidence? Wheres the villa-marl FIRE? Want more. Need more. Gimme more. This can absolutely be a wolf. He's just sidelining and doing a whole lot of nothing. Why isn't he receiving more attention. Is he a wolf going UTR or are wolves just accepting that hes going to be v-read no matter what? I'm leaning the former because.. what the hell has he done to be v-read lol? He feels like a deflated balloon
nevermind you can leave
(this is a joke)

also go iso me
if i have a gigantic ego when i am a guppy in a game full of sharks i'll just end up lookin like an idiot
i'm gonna come out on the other side of this game impressing all of this monster of a playerlist, even if i have to start slow
oh god this is weird
marl why are you weirding me out

i didnt expect you to be fine with me pushing you wtf im not used to this
i've been mentally preparing to have to tell you we're not thunderdoming
wheres the marl i know and love
what did you do to him

i dont want to discourage you from doing your thing
so keep doing your thing
im just niarbing
if you're v im confident i can find you

you're like obvious town from your second post saying you deleted the bit about kza being consensus villager even though he was vigged and a wolf
i'm not going to thunderdome you
my goal this game is to be right and impress with my reads rather than be the last one standing anyway

Chloe wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:07 pm bit busy today ao just a heads up
also i dont know how to post less than 150 times so this'll be a learning process. bear with me

@Vulgard u n me, boo
we're a 3-way masonry with nut
ily

also why the friiiiiiiiiiiiick are people townreading both arete and marl lollllllllllllll
wassup

i do kinda think arete was pocketing vulgard kinda like they did with me in upick
i called it out a couple of times yesterday

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 1:03 am
Marluxion wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 1:01 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:00 pm Unit 1 Answer key

Spoiler: show
1. Similarity
2. Good continuation, common region, proximity
3. Bottom stimulus
4.1 linear perspective, texture gradients, interposition, relative size
4.2 size constancy
4.3 texture gradients
4.4 motion parallax, interposition

The underlined answers reflect what I would call the "best" responses. However, sometimes perceptual cues and principles aren't so clear cut and are subject to interpretation. Students may still be able to justify alternatives like those seen above, and that's beautiful learning. Players are free to discuss the quiz and their responses as they desire, but please do not discuss host communications pertaining to the quiz (or anything). Future quizzes may be a bit tougher.

Night 1 has ended.

Hally has been eliminated. They were:

Spoiler: show
Town 2-shot vigilante (N1+3 only)

KZA has been eliminated. He was:

Spoiler: show
Mafia 2-shot role cop

Day 2 is underway. You have 48 hours to place your votes. Also note that a screenshot of the Day 1 final poll has been added to the thread's first post. I will update everyone's post caps momentarily.
@HALLY FOR ONCE I WAS RIGHT ON YOU
i am proud
huh? didnt you hardpush them throughout the entirety of d1?

no i called them v then subconsciously sheeped vulgards scumread and then found them v again at eod when i thought about it for two seconds

Chloe wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:02 pm - MARL. What the fuck is up with Marl??? I don't smell the spice. I'm going solely off of memory because I can't be assed to ISO the guy right now but I remember not seeing.. anything memorable from him. Which is nagl! Wheres the ego and confidence? Wheres the villa-marl FIRE? Want more. Need more. Gimme more. This can absolutely be a wolf. He's just sidelining and doing a whole lot of nothing. Why isn't he receiving more attention. Is he a wolf going UTR or are wolves just accepting that hes going to be v-read no matter what? I'm leaning the former because.. what the hell has he done to be v-read lol? He feels like a deflated balloon

nevermind you can leave

(this is a joke)

also go iso me
if i have a gigantic ego when i am a guppy in a game full of sharks i'll just end up lookin like an idiot
i'm gonna come out on the other side of this game impressing all of this monster of a playerlist, even if i have to start slow

@Chloe Chleb!

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:00 pm Unit 1 Answer key

Spoiler: show
1. Similarity
2. Good continuation, common region, proximity
3. Bottom stimulus
4.1 linear perspective, texture gradients, interposition, relative size
4.2 size constancy
4.3 texture gradients
4.4 motion parallax, interposition

The underlined answers reflect what I would call the "best" responses. However, sometimes perceptual cues and principles aren't so clear cut and are subject to interpretation. Students may still be able to justify alternatives like those seen above, and that's beautiful learning. Players are free to discuss the quiz and their responses as they desire, but please do not discuss host communications pertaining to the quiz (or anything). Future quizzes may be a bit tougher.

Night 1 has ended.

Hally has been eliminated. They were:

Spoiler: show
Town 2-shot vigilante (N1+3 only)

KZA has been eliminated. He was:

Spoiler: show
Mafia 2-shot role cop

Day 2 is underway. You have 48 hours to place your votes. Also note that a screenshot of the Day 1 final poll has been added to the thread's first post. I will update everyone's post caps momentarily.

@HALLY FOR ONCE I WAS RIGHT ON YOU
i am proud

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 4:56 pm Since I'm very unsure of Gavial's alignment and I feel that his alignment is more uncertain to me than ever, I fully endorse his wagon!

But I will vote Alison.

You forgot the "P.S. I DON'T KNOW SETHS ALIGNMENT IN CASE IT WASNT CLEAR FROM THE THREE TIMES I SAY I DONT KNOW HIS ALIGNMENT IN THIS POST"

I must sleep
Gl on the flip, whoever ends up going over

(Also I think I'm dangerously close to postcap)

Arete wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 4:45 pm
my first thought when he said that is 'nO you have a godread on me not on Seth' which is a really dumb thought to have because there's nothing that theoretically prevents him from having a godread on two different people

The pocket Vulgard psyop still going strong I see

dyachei wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 4:41 pm why wouldn't you just move on to a different wolf read if gavial flips v then?

I was talking about kza flipping v
It brings us right back to day 1 with everyone likely dancing around voting Seth

dyachei wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 4:39 pm your sentence makes more sense if you meant wolf

There are no downsides to voting wolves unless they're like vengeful or some shit

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